EmmaMcG said:

GoldStandard said:

Thriller has accumulated 330,000,000 views over the last 6 years. Modern artists get double or triple that.

When Doves Cry would get a fraction by comparison after the first month. Maybe he feels uneasy that young people might misunderstand the significance of his music?

To be honest, I think that's probably part of the reason. A fear that his music won't get as many plays as the likes of Michael Jackson and co. I could understand him not wanting to see the artists he's compared with receive hundreds of millions of views and Purple Rain or something get only a fraction of that.

nah, Prince has never been nearly as obsessed with himself competing with MJ as we have. MJ was outselling him by the bucketload at the commercial peak of Prince's career.

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trax said:

alandail said:

Prince is missing the big picture. Youtube is advertising to grow his audience. The lost "fees" come back through album sales.

He has never been a smart businessman when it comes to promoting his music. Now is not the time for him to start. He is an older artist that does not know how to change with todays times. Its his decision and if he does not want young people to know his music thats his perogative. Thank goodness us diehards know how to get whatever we want through other channels so it really doesnt matter if its on youtube or not for us.

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It will be interesting to see how he deals with changes in the following years to come, I fear he will be even more isolated in 5-10 years. I kind of understand him, he is older now which makes it harder for him to keep up with changes.

and we wonder why hit n run only sold less than 7,000 copies, and how phase 2 couldn't even get a label to distribute it...

5 more years, he keeps playing these games, and all his fans from the 80's are in nursing homes... he won't even be able to sell 100 copies of his latest albums...

how he can remove all his stuff from social media and it's 2016 is just the most ridiculous thing ever. he's hurting his visibility like never before... 7,000 copies of phase 1!!!!! it's ridiculous!!

babynoz said:

If I had a dollar for everybody who asks me if he's still alive...I tell ya.

I know right, its embaressing !!

jayspud said:

Doozer said:

Twitter pays musicians nothing but Prince sees the advantages of using it to have an online presence. .

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Any reasonable marketing team would advise incorporating the same approach to YouTube. It's part of a larger strategy, which unforunately Prince does not have, particularly elements that don't pay him what he feels he's worth. His choice, but IMHO, a poorly calculated one if he wants his music to be seen and discovered by people today.

Whilst I understand your point, Twitter isn't giving away full sings/albums entirely for free. Prince has 144k Twitter followers, decent views on the videos listed above and genuinely isn't short of publicity. Prince played the chart/sales games for decades starting the best part of 35 years ago. I would imagine that's not his main interest now. I mean, he doesn't need the money, one more No1 isn't exactly going to change his world that much.

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People who "don't need the money" aren't in the habit of bitching about money.

BobGeorge909 said:

thedance said:

Prince is all about the money $$$$$$$$$$, this is what drives his career.

Now finally confirmed.

I constantly hear Prince is all about the money...then i also constantly hear how Prince makes all these choices that cut his cash flow. Make up your minds people.

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As has bene explained ad nauseam: Prince is both greedy and a bad business man. He expects to be paid upfront, and expects absurd amounts to be paid.

BartVanHemelen said:

jayspud said:

Whilst I understand your point, Twitter isn't giving away full sings/albums entirely for free. Prince has 144k Twitter followers, decent views on the videos listed above and genuinely isn't short of publicity. Prince played the chart/sales games for decades starting the best part of 35 years ago. I would imagine that's not his main interest now. I mean, he doesn't need the money, one more No1 isn't exactly going to change his world that much.

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People who "don't need the money" aren't in the habit of bitching about money.

Sadly you couldn't be more wrong. Are you saying that if someone is wealthy they wouldn't object to paying £16 for can of coke or receiving a fraction of what something is worth.

UncleJam said:

Does he really need the money that bad?

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Yeah, just think of all the millions of dollars he's lost because people post 15 second videos on Instagram.

jayspud said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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People who "don't need the money" aren't in the habit of bitching about money.

Sadly you couldn't be more wrong. Are you saying that if someone is wealthy they wouldn't object to paying £16 for can of coke or receiving a fraction of what something is worth.

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Some do, and plenty don't. Plenty of billionaires are absolute cheapskates, but Prince isn't. Prince is still living an expensive lifestyle without the money to back it up. This has always been true and even though he's significantly scaled down in recent years but a complex like PP isn't cheap to maintain, and his income from royalties and album sales is diminishing each year.

feeluupp said:

and we wonder why hit n run only sold less than 7,000 copies, and how phase 2 couldn't even get a label to distribute it...

I suggest you make this your sig. Would save you a time from having to retype it in every post.

djThunderfunk said:

feeluupp said:

and we wonder why hit n run only sold less than 7,000 copies, and how phase 2 couldn't even get a label to distribute it...

I suggest you make this your sig. Would save you a time from having to retype it in every post.

I'm sure that figure seems to be less each time Bearing in mind no-one officially knows the Tidal figures/streams/downloads etc it's also a figure that can't be confirmed.

BartVanHemelen said:

jayspud said:

Sadly you couldn't be more wrong. Are you saying that if someone is wealthy they wouldn't object to paying £16 for can of coke or receiving a fraction of what something is worth.

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Some do, and plenty don't. Plenty of billionaires are absolute cheapskates, but Prince isn't. Prince is still living an expensive lifestyle without the money to back it up. This has always been true and even though he's significantly scaled down in recent years but a complex like PP isn't cheap to maintain, and his income from royalties and album sales is diminishing each year.

BINGO--so Prince needs his money! Other artists do to, and would like to maximize their income from providing entertainment to all. Along with the art it is their lifeblood. End of story.

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madison said:

He just doesn't want to be embarrassed and see how many people really don't give a shit about him or his music The only ones that give a shit are his fans that he fucks over That's why I love finding other ways to obtain his music he's got plenty of money from me over all these years So fuck him and what he feels that's justice Look at his ticket sales and how much he charges

Okay, peeps. don't just listen to corporate-troll-like statements like this one above--it is SO extreme, and why?--to allow you to even think that it is true. Plus, madison is a pirate. He probably wouldn't go to Prince's concert unless Prince paid HIM to go!

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MIRvmn said:

trax said:

He has never been a smart businessman when it comes to promoting his music. Now is not the time for him to start. He is an older artist that does not know how to change with todays times. Its his decision and if he does not want young people to know his music thats his perogative. Thank goodness us diehards know how to get whatever we want through other channels so it really doesnt matter if its on youtube or not for us.

[Edited 3/29/16 20:15pm]

It will be interesting to see how he deals with changes in the following years to come, I fear he will be even more isolated in 5-10 years. I kind of understand him, he is older now which makes it harder for him to keep up with changes.

Correction--he is older and WISER and leading the pack by a mile in working to DRIVE forth new changes.

BartVanHemelen said:

BobGeorge909 said:

thedance said: I constantly hear Prince is all about the money...then i also constantly hear how Prince makes all these choices that cut his cash flow. Make up your minds people.

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As has bene explained ad nauseam: Prince is both greedy and a bad business man. He expects to be paid upfront, and expects absurd amounts to be paid.

Correction: He HAS been paid upfront. Other artists demand to be paid upfront too, so as not to be by performance venues, at least. Where he has lead in his approach has been in his innovative distribution deals, anyway.

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Prince will stop his negotiations when he reaches an equitable deal, BVH. Do you feel he is in a position to overreach? Oh, I get it--here's where you say he is a bad business man. Sigh--well, he probably needs to hire you to help him make some more dough.

jayspud said:

djThunderfunk said:

I suggest you make this your sig. Would save you a time from having to retype it in every post.

I'm sure that figure seems to be less each time Bearing in mind no-one officially knows the Tidal figures/streams/downloads etc it's also a figure that can't be confirmed.

check the charts... i sure did.

If Prince sold dvd's of his concerts, he could put little concert blurbs/promos on Youtube directing to a PRINCE site where the full concert can be purchased

lrn36 said:

Youtube is making a killing off the ad revenue

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No ads here.

How come you don't block them yet?

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The Prince man is simply not in control.

He appears unable to strike a PR remaster deal with WB.

He also appears unable to see the profits in a deal with youtube as he simply states that they do not send him money.

He appears unable to refrain from sampler use during piano shows.

Will the memoir thing ever materialise?

udo said:

lrn36 said:

Youtube is making a killing off the ad revenue

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No ads here.

How come you don't block them yet?

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The Prince man is simply not in control.

He appears unable to strike a PR remaster deal with WB.

He also appears unable to see the profits in a deal with youtube as he simply states that they do not send him money.

He appears unable to refrain from sampler use during piano shows.

Will the memoir thing ever materialise?

not only can he not strike a PR remaster deal with WB... he can't even strike a deal for his class reissues... and can't even strike a deal with a label to distribute his latest cd...

Blood on the dancefloor

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Skinhead, deadhead

Everybody gone bad

Trepidation, speculation

Everybody allegation

In the suite, on the news

Everybody dog food

Black male, blackmail

Throw your brother in jail

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All I wanna say is.....

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@Germanegro & @Jayspud

"Whatever happens....Heaven can Wait..."

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Respect to believe in your dreams...

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udo said:

lrn36 said:

Youtube is making a killing off the ad revenue

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No ads here.

How come you don't block them yet?

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They don't really bother me. Basically if everyone blocks ads on Youtube and Online Newspapers etyc there are only two options left. Charge a fee for access to Youtube or simply close down.

udo said:

lrn36 said:

Youtube is making a killing off the ad revenue

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No ads here.

How come you don't block them yet?

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The Prince man is simply not in control. (1)

He appears unable to strike a PR remaster deal with WB. (2)

He also appears unable to see the profits in a deal with youtube as he simply states that they do not send him money. (3)

He appears unable to refrain from sampler use during piano shows.

Will the memoir thing ever materialise?

(1) Nope--the corporate interests are driving the car these days. He fan only do a little bit at a time on his own, without their involvement.

(2) Cutting back on Youtube and other streaming services access is raising his leverage in his request that WB agrees to a better deal for musicians in their profit-sharing scheme in these licensing deals.

(3) He can deal better with Youtube once he can get a better deal from the REAL moneymaker (WB), and finally allow YT some play for better marketing exposure.

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Hey, what neat ideas these are!

jayspud said:

Doozer said:

Twitter pays musicians nothing but Prince sees the advantages of using it to have an online presence. .

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Any reasonable marketing team would advise incorporating the same approach to YouTube. It's part of a larger strategy, which unforunately Prince does not have, particularly elements that don't pay him what he feels he's worth. His choice, but IMHO, a poorly calculated one if he wants his music to be seen and discovered by people today.

Whilst I understand your point, Twitter isn't giving away full sings/albums entirely for free. Prince has 144k Twitter followers, decent views on the videos listed above and genuinely isn't short of publicity. Prince played the chart/sales games for decades starting the best part of 35 years ago. I would imagine that's not his main interest now. I mean, he doesn't need the money, one more No1 isn't exactly going to change his world that much.

Those really aren't decent numbers. Top videos get well over a billion views. If all of his videos were on youtube, his biggest hits would generate 10s of millions of views and help him grow his audience. How do I know this? I just saw this list a few days ago of Bee Gees video views since Sept 2014

Stayin Alive 201 million
How Deep Is Your Love 92 million
You Should be Dancing 83 million
Too Much Heaven 69 million
Night Fever 42 million
Alone 38 million
More Than a Woman 35 million
Jive Talkin 34 million
Tragedy 33 million
Starded a Joke 32 million
Nights on Broadway 23 million
You Win Again 22 million
If I cant have you 21 million
Massachusetts 19 million
Islands In the Stream Live 17 million
Closer than Close 13 million

At $2 per 1000 plays, just those 16 videos have generated $1.5 million in direct revenue, and certainly has helped generate additional revenue though back catalog album sales. The last one wasn't even a hit. Certainly Prince, who made videos for many more of his songs, should expect that ballpark of views if he posted videos for all of his hit singles.

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GeorgieAto said:

This is so stupid..thats like taking your videos off MTV back in the day because they won't pay you big money....wonder how big Prince would have been if he did that back in the day

Yer taliking about "back in the day" when videos were truly promotional articles, and could also be sold as physical product like VHS and DVD--and people would pay for them. That is over and done! We're talking about now, where music companies are losing money like water out of a sieve due to Internet pirating--yes, people can rip that stuff and choose not to pay anybody at all. So the sellers and content creators get 'd. Get it? Folks are looking for the best way to create entertainment, get paid for the entertainment, and advertise all this without getting less-to-nothing for their labors.

GeorgieAto said:

Bohemian67 said:

Blood on the dancefloor

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Skinhead, deadhead

Everybody gone bad

Trepidation, speculation

Everybody allegation

In the suite, on the news

Everybody dog food

Black male, blackmail

Throw your brother in jail

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All I wanna say is.....

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@Germanegro & @Jayspud

"Whatever happens....Heaven can Wait..."

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Respect to believe in your dreams...

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[Edited 3/30/16 9:12am]

I like your steez!

Germanegro said:

GeorgieAto said:

This is so stupid..thats like taking your videos off MTV back in the day because they won't pay you big money....wonder how big Prince would have been if he did that back in the day

Yer taliking about "back in the day" when videos were truly promotional articles, and could also be sold as physical product like VHS and DVD--and people would pay for them. That is over and done! We're talking about now, where music companies are losing money like water out of a sieve due to Internet pirating--yes, people can rip that stuff and choose not to pay anybody at all. So the sellers and content creators get 'd. Get it? Folks are looking for the best way to create entertainment, get paid for the entertainment, and advertise all this without getting less-to-nothing for their labors.

Yes, so Prince wants to get paid upfront from record companies who make no money from the music due to pirating.

Best to remain friendly with your fanbase then, because real fans wouldn't rip you off, right? Instead, he makes those who want to help him distribute HnR2 buy 500 copies. But hey, he's been paid upfront.

MIRvmn said:

GeorgieAto said:

This is so stupid..thats like taking your videos off MTV back in the day because they won't pay you big money....wonder how big Prince would have been if he did that back in the day

I agree, it's just stupid. Well it's his career, if he wants to destroy it then it's up to him

Exhibit: commenting without thinking is what this above is. His career indeed is one of a kind: Entertainer. Innovator. Power creator.

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