feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You can't blame WB for that. That's the time Prince became unmanagable. What were WB supposed to do if Prince didn't wanna tour? They gave him massive leeway and still he bitched and complained and felt oppressed.

Bart answer this one question.

Why are you a Prince fan?

A look at his profile page would answer your question.

Graycap23 said:

Ohh lawrd..............u guys seem 2 know what Prince should be doing better than than he does.

How did he survive a 37 year career without u?

Thanks for the factual comments, they really build your argument.

KoolEaze said:

feeluupp said:

Bart answer this one question.

Why are you a Prince fan?

A look at his profile page would answer your question.

What are you referring to...5200 posts?

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You can't blame WB for that. That's the time Prince became unmanagable. What were WB supposed to do if Prince didn't wanna tour? They gave him massive leeway and still he bitched and complained and felt oppressed.

Bart answer this one question.

Why are you a Prince fan?

Let me answer your question, please:

I guess Bart is "fan" for the same reasons as I am:

Prince used to be so amazing and brilliant under Warner 1978 to 1995.

Now it's so and so........ its kind of over with him, Prince has after all released a LOT of "substandard material" post-1995.

I (can I say we?) still love the old Prince and always will, but lets be honest about the crap music lately -- post 1995, nothing wrong in being critical towards this/ the new Prince.

Did this answer the question (that was my opinion, on behalf of Bart)?

thedance said:

feeluupp said:

Bart answer this one question.

Why are you a Prince fan?

Let me answer your question, please:

I guess Bart is "fan" for the same reasons as I am:

Prince used to be so amazing and brilliant under Warner 1978 to 1995.

Now it's so and so........ its kind of over with him, Prince has after all released a LOT of "substandard material" post-1995.

I (can I say we?) still love the old Prince and always will, but lets be honest about the crap music lately -- post 1995, nothing wrong in being critical towards this/ the new Prince.

Did this answer the question (that was my opinion, on behalf of Bart)?

unnerve easily=hasty response=rambling=break

post del

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BartVanHemelen said:

Graycap23 said:

I am glad that he did, otherwise we would be looking at a career where there was an album release every 2 - 4 years, no bootlegs, and a repeat of Purple Rain 7 times over. Thank goodness Prince was smart enough NOT 2 go this route.

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Utter nonsense. Hell, this is just a pathetic strawman argument. No one said he should do any of that.

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I repeat my question: are you seriously claiming that there is no way things have gone better in the past 20 years WRT Prince?

Listen, Prince has made choices about his career that has lead him 2 where he is today. They were his choices 2 make.....what part of that isn't clear? U can't please everyone and Prince is smart enough 2 know that most important person in the people pleasing catagory is himself. Who ever doesn't like...can simply FUNK off and go listen 2 any other artist that they choose.

feeluupp said:

Why are you a Prince fan?

What exactly is a 'fan' in your mind?

The fact that you ask Bart about this makes it appear that you are confused about this.

Why can't we consider mr Prince imperfect in some aspects yet enjoy some of his music?

Graycap23 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Utter nonsense. Hell, this is just a pathetic strawman argument. No one said he should do any of that.

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I repeat my question: are you seriously claiming that there is no way things have gone better in the past 20 years WRT Prince?

Listen, Prince has made choices about his career that has lead him 2 where he is today. They were his choices 2 make.....what part of that isn't clear? U can't please everyone and Prince is smart enough 2 know that most important person in the people pleasing catagory is himself. Who ever doesn't like...can simply FUNK off and go listen 2 any other artist that they choose.

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By not answering you actually answered.

aiden said:

I'm just imagining that bit in Purple Rain where the band are having a go at P And he says "I don't care".

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He does. He's burnt reviews in cocnert, he's used positive reviews as covert art, he's tweeting positive reviews all the time, etc. THAT IS A FACT.

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He is better than all those other artists and none of them have Oscars

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He won one thirty years ago. You do realise they give Oscars to musicians EVERY YEAR, right? They didn't just do this once.

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and 21 sold out nights at O2

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So what?

BartVanHemelen said:

Graycap23 said:

Listen, Prince has made choices about his career that has lead him 2 where he is today. They were his choices 2 make.....what part of that isn't clear? U can't please everyone and Prince is smart enough 2 know that most important person in the people pleasing catagory is himself. Who ever doesn't like...can simply FUNK off and go listen 2 any other artist that they choose.

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By not answering you actually answered.

Ohh larwd..........better by your measurements has NOTHING 2 do with Prince. It ony addresses what is important 2 U.

BartVanHemelen said:

aiden said:

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He won one thirty years ago. You do realise they give Oscars to musicians EVERY YEAR, right? They didn't just do this once.

Name another major pop star who has one? Then let me know if they have the second greatest soundtrack of all time, because Prince has the GREATEST one!

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and 21 sold out nights at O2

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So what?

Unprecedented, and unmatched to this day!

feeluupp said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Quality does not = sales.

Commercially, Prince failed where those others succeeded because they were willing to promote in a coherent and comprehensive manner.

I know quality doesn't equal sales... And for many years especially here, Prince fans always look the other way when it comes to sales. I never said quality equals sales.

Perfect example, Sign O The Times is one of the greatest albums of all time, it barely went double platinum in U.S.A. World wide just selling 4 million.

I agree, I think Prince is one of the worst promoted artists. The lack of internet exposure really is killing him, you have to evolve with time, he does not set the trends anymore like he used to. Just the fact you search on YouTube and can't find Kiss, When Doves Cry, Purple Rain... It's scary. Imagine in 20-30 years, non of the mass new generation will know about him, unless they are "true" music lovers and dig deep...

I think if he waited a year or two after Purple Rain releasing a solid album whatever he was recording at the time, hell I wish sometimes he just released Sign O The Times in 1986 vs. ATIAD and Parade, I think that would've been another 20m+ seller and would have redirceted his whole career in a whole different light... I can only dream perhaps.

A good song is a good song. Prince has no shortage of them. He will be without question one of THE most covered artists ever. It's a shame many of his albums don't earn him the credit he deserves but he has so many great songs in his catalog. His name will be woven throughout pop music for a long time to come.

Revolution said:

BartVanHemelen said:

He won one thirty years ago. You do realise they give Oscars to musicians EVERY YEAR, right? They didn't just do this once.

Name another major pop star who has one?

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Really? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ginal_Song -- Randy Newman's got multiple, there's also Bob Dylan, Phil Collins, Adele, Melissa Etheridge, Three 6 Mafia, Eminem, Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, Lionel Richie, Girogio Moroder, Stevie Wonder,...

Noodled24 said:

A good song is a good song. Prince has no shortage of them. He will be without question one of THE most covered artists ever.

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I've got the impression the number of covers is also going down. There were times you could find a new one every week, but these days? Wouldn't be surprised if that is in part because of all his threats towards people for daring to upload a short video which features children dancing to a barely audible excerpt from a Prince song in the background or someone singing a couple of lines from When Doves Cry on Instagram.

feeluupp said:

He deserves so much more...

When you look at artists like Madonna, U2, Janet Jackson, Bruce Springstein... They always "accomplish" more in terms of sales, grammy's, etc...

How can Sign O' The Times just sell 1 million in USA

How can Prince just have 7 Grammys while U2 has 22.

I think after Purple Rain where he achieved super stardom and selling over 21 million albums worldwide, his genius took over him and just as an artist in the purest form couldn't keep from recording more... Where as most artists have a mega hit they will wait a couple years and the next album will sell mega well... But Prince always did things his way. It's a shame though cause his music should have garnered so much more success.

With the expection of Purple Rain 21m and Batman 11m he never achieved the commercial recognition he deserves.

Musically there's no denyting he is one of the besst of all time, I just wish his art was granted more success.

What went wrong?

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Whores make more money than women who don't spread their legs for cash. Prince could have solds many more records if he wanted to...and spread for it.

He is worth 500mill+, I say he 'got' what he deserved.

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leadline said:

He is worth 500mill+

And Santa is coming next month.

thedance said:

feeluupp said:

Bart answer this one question.

Why are you a Prince fan?

Let me answer your question, please:

I guess Bart is "fan" for the same reasons as I am:

Prince used to be so amazing and brilliant under Warner 1978 to 1995.

Now it's so and so........ its kind of over with him, Prince has after all released a LOT of "substandard material" post-1995.

I (can I say we?) still love the old Prince and always will, but lets be honest about the crap music lately -- post 1995, nothing wrong in being critical towards this/ the new Prince.

Did this answer the question (that was my opinion, on behalf of Bart)?

^ Yeah, this.

This is a strange way to measure music or any art and that strange way is SALES. The impact of Prince on this world reaches farther and deeper than his recognition or his grammy count or his record sales. To even equate his success or lack of it to commercial value almost means you don't even know what his music means to Prince himself or anyone else. Sure as a fan you want everyone to hear what you hear from Prince but he's not everyone's sound. The idea that Prince doesn't value his past music output because he shuns it also misses the boat. Personally, I hate the man I was when I was 20. I don't like him, he was an idiot, sure I did good things in that body but not things I am so proud of that I want to constantly relive that time. Why can't Prince feel or be the same way? If Prince doesn't like the version of himself that created the music then how could he possibly like the music? Just because it made him millions does that mean he HAS to adore it? Just because I adore those songs does that mean he has to sing it for me? The Parade album and Sign of the times are the most amazing music experiences of my adolesence. I never cared one second about how many records they sold. I am actually astounded and happy that there were 1 million weird souls that enjoyed it as much as I did. The feeling I got when I played those records for my 5 year old daughter who now loves 'kiss' and demands I play it for her when we drive in the car means I still don't give a flying fuck about Prince's record sales. I care about the music and what it said and what it meant and what it now means for me again today. This is what art is and what music is and how we should feel about it via one of the purest forms of love which is listening and hearing. Things get convoluted over time and Prince has convoluted himself either as a defense mechanism or self sabotage but one thing remains and that his gift. He reached everyone that was meant to hear him, the sales are something that isn't an indication of talent or social impact. Some of the greatest musicians are the poorest and never sold 10k copies let alone millions of albums. Prince is no where near a tragedy and he doesn't deserve any more than he has.

Prince would have done better if he put himself out there more. If he made good quality videos and if he made things easier to get - such as that album he sold off with the paper in UK (in Australia we had no hope of getting it) & if he did not alienate the very fans that have searched for him on You Tube. Most younger people go to You Tube to discover new and older artists, but he is just not there to find and so they give up and see him as "older folks music". Sad but True.

Prince just made himself too hard to find by being inaccessable.

Younger people dont want to spend the time hunting for things, like we did when we were younger and would source what we could even at great expense (ie. remember the expensive bootleg days?) but younger people, if it is not easy to find they give up and move on to the next person (generally speaking of course).

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BartVanHemelen said:

Noodled24 said:

A good song is a good song. Prince has no shortage of them. He will be without question one of THE most covered artists ever.

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I've got the impression the number of covers is also going down. There were times you could find a new one every week, but these days? Wouldn't be surprised if that is in part because of all his threats towards people for daring to upload a short video which features children dancing to a barely audible excerpt from a Prince song in the background or someone singing a couple of lines from When Doves Cry on Instagram.

I wasn't talking short term. There was a cover of "Call my name" posted about a week ago. He seems to be reaching out to younger artists - FKA Twigs, Rita Ora, etc etc The covers will keep coming.

Long term - 20 - 30 years from now - His back catalog will be ravaged and his catalog will still produce hit singles for other artists. Probably part of the reason he viciously guards his music online in the present. "Why should someone else cover a Prince song when Prince could do it/re-release it" - is what I imagine is internal monologue is regarding that.

But you know he ain't 'doing the work' when Taylor Swift has already sold nearly twice as many records.

Yes, P sucks at promotion but PLEASE don't compare his current sales to Taylor Swift, so many variables make this an inappropriate comparison

BartVanHemelen said:

Revolution said:

Name another major pop star who has one?

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Really? http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ginal_Song -- Randy Newman's got multiple, there's also Bob Dylan, Phil Collins, Adele, Melissa Etheridge, Three 6 Mafia, Eminem, Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, Lionel Richie, Girogio Moroder, Stevie Wonder,...

No impact. It is clever how you conveniently avoided to answer the second part of the question. Prince has made THE GREATEST SOUNDTRACK OF ALL TIME! Not only that, he has made the GREATEST ROCK N ROLL MOVIE OF ALL TIME. Not only that, he has made the GREATEST CONCERT MOVIE OF ALL TIME! Royalty. RESPECT!