SoulAlive said:

I thought Prince wrote "Modernaire"

jaypotton said:

While I love the suggested triple I very much doubt there will be any tracks not written by Prince... so Modernaire by Dez will definitely not be on there.

Nope - Dez did

I hope its a case of quality over quantity.

I'm not so interested in big overblown boxes with postcards and such, I'd much rather an expanded sound of the era.

I would rather the 7:30 version of Computer Blue, as its the quintessential verison in my eyes. The 15 minute version is a nice to have, but I don't want it bumping off tracks, a bit like Bacon Skin did. The 7:30 version sounds like the completed article, only editted down at release due to the the limitations of vinyl. All the others feel works in progress.

The long versions of The Beautiful Ones and Darlin Nikki are a nice to have, but there is no doubt the edits that made the album work better, so if their is limited space on the set, I'd rather see outtakes releases as opposed to previous takes.

I'm much more interested in hearing Wednesday that having the slightly longer Take Me with U in crystal quality.

Unless they are willing to release a ten disc set, I'd rather the 30 min I would Die 4 U stay in the vault.

We will all disagree, because so much of the era has already leaked, so its impossible to please everyone.

I think the type of set we get will very much depend on the WB deal. If its a one off, then Prince might do a one or two disc, basically scooping up the 12" and B-sides already released, with a couple of new bones thrown in. That way, he could later release an expanded set without WB.

If the agreement is that WB will always have those albums under licence, we might see a bigger set from the offset.

My realistic wish list is (bearing in mind its a soundtrack, not a era as such) would be the remastered album, full b sides and then:

Fathers Song

Computer Blue (7 min version)

Wednesday

Possessed

When Doves Cry (Original Base Version)

G-Spot

Purple Rain (Orchestral Studio Version)

The Bird (Studio Version)

Electric Intercourse

Of course, I would love mega set, with demo's and pre-takes, but I don't think its what Prince would want to put out.

A two disc set is where WB will see the money at.

[Edited 4/19/14 10:19am]

i'd love to have the original studio version of Manic Monday as well,

or wasn't that ever part of any of the purple rain era stuff? it seems

i can't really remember at the moment.

novabrkr said:

databank said:

Are you NUTS? No it wouldn't be "fine" to temper with a classic album, it has to be left as it was!

Well, the original PR album is out there and still available in the stores. Some re-releases have differed greatly from the originals. Given that the length of the PR album was edited down simply due to the limitations of the physical format then I'm not so horrified by the thought of some of the orignal tracks being included as longer versions. "Computer Blue" suffers the most from that and I think its length on the record was quite likely a compromise. The unedited version of "The Beautiful Ones" I can live without as it really benefits from the edit.

It won't be available anymore (officially) once the remaster is out. I totally disapprove rereleased albums fucking over the originals, Prince or otherwise. Some of the greatest classic jazz albums from the 50's are now IMPOSSIBLE to find on CD or digital formats the way they were released, which is a shame. Of course second hand versions and files of PR will be easy to find but it's a matter of principle. Limitations of length or not the album was released as it was according to P's own choices and better artistic judgment at the time, considering the format he releasing it on: this oughta be respected. Now u wanna make a compilation for yourself and remake the album as u wish it would be using the bonus and unreleased tracks on CD 2 for ur own listening pleasure, be my guest, but the sequencing and content on the released version should remain untouched. God knows I would LOVE the remaster of SOTT to include an original sequencing of Crystal Ball as it was planned, but it would have to be a bonus 3 CD set in a deluxe box also containing SOTT, not INSTEAD of SOTT, and still CB is what P wanted, but in the end, according to the constraints he was facing, he released SOTT as we know it and this is the album that made history, so I want it untouched (despite preferring CB to SOTT). U start asking for PR to include the extended version of Computer Blue and the enxt thing I know u'll ask a D&P remaster with Tony M. edited out. That's nonsense, remasters are historic documents, not remakes.

IstenSzek said:

i'd love to have the original studio version of Manic Monday as well,

or wasn't that ever part of any of the purple rain era stuff? it seems

i can't really remember at the moment.

I think you're right - wasn't it intended for Appolonia 6?

novabrkr said:

databank said:

Are you NUTS? No it wouldn't be "fine" to temper with a classic album, it has to be left as it was!

Well, the original PR album is out there and still available in the stores. Some re-releases have differed greatly from the originals. Given that the length of the PR album was edited down simply due to the limitations of the physical format then I'm not so horrified by the thought of some of the orignal tracks being included as longer versions. "Computer Blue" suffers the most from that and I think its length on the record was quite likely a compromise. The unedited version of "The Beautiful Ones" I can live without as it really benefits from the edit.

Oh and u know what, while we're at it, given that Prince is now a JW and can't curse no more I think the remasters should censor all the profanities and sex shit, and Darling Nikki should be taken off the tracklist of PR's remaster (but that's OK since Computer Blue will last 15 minutes, that'll compensate).

How 'bout that?

i will take a guess at a 2 disc deluxe edition...first disc with the original album...remastered with maybe the b sides added at the end..and a second disc of unreleased music from the period..

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now i also think there may possibly be a box set of the album...something similar to the pink floyd edition of their albums ...with the remastered vinyl..remastered cds.. maybe an additional cd of remixes and rare stuff..live dvd / blu ray of one of the concerts and lots of other extras..info book..artwork..postcards...that sort of stuff..

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well one can hope

databank said:

novabrkr said:

Well, the original PR album is out there and still available in the stores. Some re-releases have differed greatly from the originals. Given that the length of the PR album was edited down simply due to the limitations of the physical format then I'm not so horrified by the thought of some of the orignal tracks being included as longer versions. "Computer Blue" suffers the most from that and I think its length on the record was quite likely a compromise. The unedited version of "The Beautiful Ones" I can live without as it really benefits from the edit.

Oh and u know what, while we're at it, given that Prince is now a JW and can't curse no more I think the remasters should censor all the profanities and sex shit, and Darling Nikki should be taken off the tracklist of PR's remaster (but that's OK since Computer Blue will last 15 minutes, that'll compensate).

How 'bout that?

You're getting irrationally heated over this thing.

I just want a thorough compilation of "Purple Rain" with the B-sides, alternates versions and music originally intended but did not make the cut.

WB will not just dump everything they have into one package and shoot their load all at once. At least I hope not. It does not make artistic or financial sense. Just a well produced package with plenty of liner notes from those behind the scenes and behind the scenes pictures and artwork.

Give me that and I will be happy to purchase Purple Rain again for the upteenth time.

[Edited 4/19/14 12:10pm]

novabrkr said:

databank said:

Oh and u know what, while we're at it, given that Prince is now a JW and can't curse no more I think the remasters should censor all the profanities and sex shit, and Darling Nikki should be taken off the tracklist of PR's remaster (but that's OK since Computer Blue will last 15 minutes, that'll compensate).

How 'bout that?

You're getting irrationally heated over this thing.

If it's irrational to want to preserve a cultural heritage then so be it...

......and I cant wait for the same treatment on Parade but especially a monster sized Sign O The Times!

databank said:

novabrkr said:

You're getting irrationally heated over this thing.

If it's irrational to want to preserve a cultural heritage then so be it...

Your responses for some reason started to border on personal attacks. I got a bit surprised by that, because I've thought we're cool.

I'm not saying changes should be made to the original tracks, but just that I wouldn't personally mind that. I don't have an essentialist mindset in that regard (by the way, this is supposed to be a "fantasy" thread as the title of the thread indicates).

Some changes are okay to me if they're done with good taste and don't change the product too much. It should be explicitly stated on the release that these are "altered versions", for that matter. In some cases a few curveballs could make things a bit more interesting from the buyer's perspective, in any case. Some fade outs that last longer than originally, a few additional bars here and there that got edited out, maybe things like the additional intro for "U Got The Look" being included and so on. I'm not talking about replacing songs with re-recordings, but just including what was originally there and available at the time of the release of the original album. I don't necessarily view albums as "historical documents", they're albums and meant to be listened to and enjoyed, first and foremost. There's been a big amount of changes introduced to various jazz re-releases and they've been done because the LP format at the time simply demanded more editing, or because some record company exec just wanted things done a certain way. It was hardly about artistic choices, really.

If you want to be anal about it, adding some B-sides and unreleased tracks at the end of a single disc release would tamper the original album too. It's not the same album as such anymore, is it?

[Edited 4/19/14 12:30pm]

I understand where databank is coming from. The remasters should remain intact as they were released with no changes whatsoever other than to compensate for the limitations of the earlier digital releases.

Any record released that deviates in any way from the original should have it's own distinct name and released as a separate entity. I think WB would also rather have it this way as it can milk the same product without diluting the original. "The Complete Purple Rain Sessions" or something like that...

[Edited 4/19/14 12:30pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

someone posted this in the other thread.I'd be satisfied with something like this

Purple Rain (Deluxe edition)

Disc 1 (the remaster)

Lets Go Crazy

Take Me with U

The Beautiful Ones

Darling Nikki

When Doves Cry

I Would Die 4 U

Baby I'm a star

Purple Rain

Disc 2 (the rare)

Jungle Love

Modernaire

Sex Shooter

The Bird

Electric Intercourse

G Spot

God (instrumental)

Possessed

God

17 days

Fathers Song

Erotic City

Wednesday

Another Lonely Christmas (Full version)

Syndicate

Hello How are you?

Disc 3 (the remixes)

Lets Go Crazy 12"

Take Me with (unreleased full version)

Computer Blue (Unreleased full version)

The Beautiful Ones (unreleased full version)

Darling Nikki (unreleased full version)

I would die 4 U (12" Version")

When Does Cry (Unreleased original version)

Purple Rain (Orchestral Version)

Disc 4 (Live)

Syracuse Live DVD

Traffic Jam is a piece I believe belongs 2 this era too

BANG! Nailed it, hopefully Warners' checks this site because having literally lived through this era I have to say this would be a dream package and probably the all-time number one on this site for being stranded on an island with only one album post (IMO).

Kudos on putting this together.

V10LETBLUES said:

I understand where databank is coming from. The remasters should remain intact as they were released with no changes whatsoever other than to compensate for the limitations of the earlier digital releases.

Any record released that deviates in any way from the original should have it's own distinct name and released as a separate entity. I think WB would also rather have it this way as it can milk the same product without diluting the original. "The Complete Purple Rain Sessions" or something like that...

Well, yeah, that's the way it should be done, preferably.

Yet, with some proposed changes I fail to see why "preserving the originals" would be so much more important than keeping things interesting for the listeners. "Computer Blue" with the second verse on it would be still "Computer Blue", regardless. It doesn't turn it into a different song. It wouldn't even be a different recording as it's the same source material (unlike the case is with the re-recorded version of "Starfish and Coffee" for the Muppet Show).

IstenSzek said:

paulludvig said:

I bet it will be 2 CDs.

First CD - the original album. Remastered. No edits.

Second CD - All the b-sides (some extended) + a couple of unreleased track we've already heard. No songs written by others than Prince.

that's what i'm thinking too. perhaps 1 track we've never heard before.

and that's fine with me. it doesn't have to be a 6 disc package for me,

which seems highly unlikely anyway. 2 discs is probably right with at

the utmost a special deluxe edition with a dvd of a concert.

If it's just the one unreleased song and a bunch of b-sides that have all been available for 3 decades now, I'm not sure I will even buy it. Obviously the b-sides and extended versions should be included, but to my mind at least 3 or 4 completely unleaked songs need to be on there to make it worth my while.

Maybe alongside the PR deluxe version we'll get the first ten years in a box set like The Beatles remasters a few years back. How about that?

novabrkr said:

I'm not saying changes should be made to the original tracks, but just that I wouldn't personally mind that. I don't have an essentialist mindset in that regard (by the way, this is supposed to be a "fantasy" thread as the title of the thread indicates).

Some changes are okay to me if they're done with good taste and don't change the product too much. It should be explicitly stated on the release that these are "altered versions", for that matter. In some cases a few curveballs could make things a bit more interesting from the buyer's perspective, in any case. Some fade outs that last longer than originally, a few additional bars here and there that got edited out, maybe things like the additional intro for "U Got The Look" being included and so on. I'm not talking about replacing songs with re-recordings, but just including what was originally there and available at the time of the release of the original album. I don't necessarily view albums as "historical documents", they're albums and meant to be listened to and enjoyed, first and foremost. There's been a big amount of changes introduced to various jazz re-releases and they've been done because the LP format at the time simply demanded more editing, or because some record company exec just wanted things done a certain way. It was hardly about artistic choices, really.

If you want to be anal about it, adding some B-sides and unreleased tracks at the end of a single disc release would tamper the original album too. It's not the same album as such anymore, is it?

[Edited 4/19/14 12:30pm]

I apologize if it seemed I was attacking YOU, cuz yeah of course we're cool, I was (and still am) at war with what u suggest, not u as a person. I agree that artists are submitted to some constaints by formats and execs but nonetheless from my perspective albums should be left as they were because of their historical importance. If artists want to release a director's cut that's cool, but those should be an additional product, not a replacement for the original product. I'm really pissed that I can't listen to Monk's Straight, No Chaser the way it was released for example. If they wanna make a Special Edition I'm cool but they should allow the original album to be out there. Same with Miles' Ascensceur Pour L'Echaffaud: for years I couldn't stand that album because it was too long, until the day I realized half of the CD was bonus tracks, except it was not written anywhere on it. No that I've ripped all my CD's I just kept the original tracklist and I find it a very enjoyable album to listen to. When Thomas Dolby remastered The Golden Age Of Wireless he rereleased the original tracklist, that was OOP for years and I was really grateful for that. I still prefer the tracklist from my old CD with a different tracklist and She Blinded Me With Science added to it, but I'm glad I can chose to listen to either one or the other and that the final remaster, the version of the album that's gonna stay, is the one Dolby enviosionned when he first released it.

And actually I'm all against adding tracks on the album's CD as well. It doesn't make any difference for me because I'll buy it digitally anyway, so I can make a folder with the original tracks and put the bonus material in another folder, but if I was still listening to CD's I certainly wouldn't want 17 Days to start right after the last notes of Purple Rain, or having to jump at my CD player to end my listening experience with PR instead of some bonus tracks. Or if they wanna save some space and fill in the CD's, then they'd have to leave a few minutes of silence between the last track and the bonus tracks so people can u know, have that feeling that the story's over.

Because be assured that in 30 years the only available version of PR will be those remasters, and I'd like them to be the very same album the world fell in love with in 84, note for note.

theblueangel said:

IstenSzek said:

that's what i'm thinking too. perhaps 1 track we've never heard before.

and that's fine with me. it doesn't have to be a 6 disc package for me,

which seems highly unlikely anyway. 2 discs is probably right with at

the utmost a special deluxe edition with a dvd of a concert.

If it's just the one unreleased song and a bunch of b-sides that have all been available for 3 decades now, I'm not sure I will even buy it. Obviously the b-sides and extended versions should be included, but to my mind at least 3 or 4 completely unleaked songs need to be on there to make it worth my while.

Henestly if we only get 3 or 4 unheard song my feeling will be that they're being cheap on us

novabrkr said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I understand where databank is coming from. The remasters should remain intact as they were released with no changes whatsoever other than to compensate for the limitations of the earlier digital releases.

Any record released that deviates in any way from the original should have it's own distinct name and released as a separate entity. I think WB would also rather have it this way as it can milk the same product without diluting the original. "The Complete Purple Rain Sessions" or something like that...

Well, yeah, that's the way it should be done, preferably.

Yet, with some proposed changes I fail to see why "preserving the originals" would be so much more important than keeping things interesting for the listeners. "Computer Blue" with the second verse on it would be still "Computer Blue", regardless. It doesn't turn it into a different song. It wouldn't even be a different recording as it's the same source material (unlike the case is with the re-recorded version of "Starfish and Coffee" for the Muppet Show).

I think because it taints it. When it comes to artists like Prince, especially when it comes to his 80's work, you don't want to go around messing with it. They are now historical documents as well as a commercial product.


Fans young and old would pick up the remastered version if done correctly AND also buy "The Complete Purple Rain Sessions" or whatever they want call it as well. Both fans and the record company win either way and nothing is bastardized or diluted.

It's not an either or situation, we should have both.

[Edited 4/19/14 13:10pm]

rickyprynce said:

BANG! Nailed it, hopefully Warners' checks this site because having literally lived through this era I have to say this would be a dream package and probably the all-time number one on this site for being stranded on an island with only one album post (IMO).

Kudos on putting this together.

^

yes.... I agree, about the kudos,

Original thread: http://prince.org/msg/7/344062

and SquirrelMeat is the (maybe former?) prince.orger, who should get all the credits,

This idea for a "Purple Rain Deluxe set" was compiled by him - a few years back.

--> it was: 09/19/2010 to be exact... that he made this very c-o-o-l list for a Purple Rain Deluxe Set....

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ecnirp2004/PurpleRainDeluxeEdition_zps1f3588a2.jpg[/img:$uid]

SquirrelMeat said:

Something like this will do me.

If they are going to do it, lets go overboard....

Purple Rain (Deluxe edition)

Disc 1 (the remaster)

Lets Go Crazy

Take Me with U

The Beautiful Ones

Darling Nikki

When Doves Cry

I Would Die 4 U

Baby I'm a star

Purple Rain

Disc 2 (the rare)

Jungle Love

Modernaire

Sex Shooter

The Bird

Electric Intercourse

G Spot

God (instrumental)

Possessed

God

17 days

Fathers Song

Erotic City

Wednesday

Another Lonely Christmas (Full version)

Syndicate

Hello How are you?

Disc 3 (the remixes)

Lets Go Crazy 12"

Take Me with (unreleased full version)

Computer Blue (Unreleased full version)

The Beautiful Ones (unreleased full version)

Darling Nikki (unreleased full version)

I would die 4 U (12" Version")

When Does Cry (Unreleased original version)

Purple Rain (Orchestral Version)

Disc 4 (Live)

Syracuse Live DVD

[Edited 4/19/14 13:40pm]

^ Ps:

also, big kudos and credits as well to who ever made the picture,

I can't remember from where that excellent cover pic came....... originally...?

It sure looks great (the cover pic from the WDC single)........

IDK why y' all want The Bird, Jungle Love and Sex Shooter to be there. They belong with their own albums not PR, and believe me, these albums will eventually be remastered too (I'm quite sure that P wouldn't accept a deal with WB that wouldn't include the side projects' masters reversal as well).

Yes databank.... you are right I guess,

The only reason to have The Bird, Jungle Love and Sex Shooter on the set is because these are in the Purple Rain movie..

Maybe a little like this 2LP-set, this collection includes these songs by The Time & Apollonia:

Prince - Strange Tales From The Rain:

http://www.discogs.com/Pr...se/3139238

Side 1

Let's Go Crazy 7.32
Jungle Love / The Time 3.25
Take Me With U 3.55
The Beautiful Ones 5.14
God 4.02
When Doves Cry 3.49

Side 2

Computer Blue 4.01
Darling Nikki 5.13
Sex Shooter / Apollonia 6 3.01
The Bird / The Time 7.40
Purple Rain 4.07
I Would Die 4 U 2.50
Baby I'm A Star 4.13

Side 3

Soft And Wet 3.01
I Wanna Be YOur Lover 2.57
Sexy Dancer 4.18
Uptown 4.07
Dirty Mind 4.11
Do Me, Baby 7.47

Side 4

Sexuality 4.20
Controversy 3.35
Little Red Corvette 3.08
Delrious 2.36
The Glamours Life 3.41
^

Notes

[Edited 4/19/14 14:05pm]

I could live without "Modernaire" there.

If it's a 2CD release then I'd prefer to see the original album as the first disc and then just all the kickass non-album tracks from the same era on the second one. Meaning the B-sides and some really good outtakes (we all know what they are). I have to say I'd finally like to hear Wednesday though, regardless of how good it actually it is (most everything else has been circulating as outtakes, I believe). I don't know if "The Dance Electric" qualifies as a "Purple Rain outtake", but imagine the second disc starting with that one! Really, I'd just like to see something that would convince the general public that Prince had written so much great material at the time that he could have released two albums each year during the 1980s.

btw, one of the reasons why I'm not opposed to thought of "tampering" the original album by including some extended versions on them is that there would be just less space on the second CD that way. If the first disc of "Purple Rain 30th Anniversary edition" would have some extended versions on it then that would mean the space on the second disc could be used for other tracks.

I would love it if the WB re-issues were given as much love as Rhino's re-releases of THE MONKEES. Yes they've come out with multiple volumes of similar material, but the fans are treated to a feast of outtakes, alternate versions and great liner notes.

Don't expect the world from most of these re-issues. Prince doesn't like to focus on the past, so it won't be the mega-release we all crave. No matter what they release, it won't satisfy the hunger most of the megafans have. Also, there are a lot of subpar outtakes that he probably considers unfinished, so they'll sit on the shelves.

Also, Prince hasn't been taking care of many of his tapes in the vault, so the pickin's might not be as robust as we all dream.

Definitely hope there is a nice vinyl set.

I think it might be interesting if he replaced the album version of Let's Go Crazy with the 12" mix. After all, it's in the movie. I'm certain he would have included the full version on the album had there been room. Perhaps stretch the album a little by including other longer versions as well.

Of course, there would be folks who want the original untouched, which is understandable. I guess if he puts a few of the extended tracks on Disc 2 then fans can compile their own "expanded" version of the album.

i'm just still a little stunned that we're actually talking about this

OK, here is what I want for a track listing (The picture is something I threw together years ago, and is more 1999 era....so yeah, I would not use that as the cover, I just figured I'd upload it anyway...cuz I kinda like it.)

Disc 1 (The complete Original Soundtrack Recording)

The original album, no changes, but remastered. with bonus tracks Jungle Love, Modernaire, The Bird, Sex Shooter and God instrumental and Father's Song instrumental. I include these because I just feel for it to be a true complete soundtrack, these songs should be there, even if Prince did not write Modernaire, it is a permanent part of the movie and belongs on any deluxe version of the soundtrack album).

Disc 2

1- Let's Go Crazy (12" version--which is the version featured in the movie)

2- Take Me With U (Unreleased slightly longer version, known from several unofficial releases)

3- The Beautiful Ones (Unreleased slightly longer version, known from several unofficial releases)

4- Computer Blue (So many options to choose from. My fave might be the "tell me what the fuck is wrong!" verse with hallway speech)

5- Darling Nikki (Unreleased slightly longer version, known from several unofficial releases)

6- When Doves Cry (Is there a version in the vault somewhere we don't know about?)

7- I Would Die 4 U (The raw undubbed First Ave performance version)

8- Baby I'm A Star (The raw undubbed First Ave performance version)

9- Purple Rain (The raw undubbed First Ave performance version)

OR for tracks 7, 8 and 9, the never heard original studio versions of those songs with whatever original vocals. I only assume these exist and that Prince used those "live" versions because they fit the movie well with the live feel. But surely somewhere exists the full studio versions.

I have no idea why anyone is clamoring for Syracuse on CD. Or why include B-Sides that have already been collected and released on the Hits and B-Sides (other than wanting to hear remastered versions).

I think we can count on a 2-disc set for sure, but if we got a third or even a fourth disc, I think the 1983 First Ave show would be a great, and possibly the Sheridan Wyoming show, where Prince did High Fashion and some other real rarities.

I am unfamiliar with the song Wednesday that has been mentioned a few time. Is it the Sheila E track? Wednesday Like A River?

Obviously the best thing that could happen is a whole disc of totally unknown songs from the era.

I have a feeling it will be the 1999 deluxe reissue that might really blow us all away.

But if we only get 2 discs for Purple Rain, I stand by my picks fro discs 1 and 2 on this post