imago said:

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

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Nobody is judging your intentions, nor the overall context of the situation.

And, I thought Prince was really ungratious to not attend.

However, if I was the guy, Napoleon complex or not, I wouldn't be terribly thrilled

about an event that I had no part in planning but somehow expected to

attend.

But the 'short' comments factored none of these things in. We simply focused

souly on those comments as they stood. And we never called it deep--just tacky.

Well said.

rdhull said:

imago said:

Nobody is judging your intentions, nor the overall context of the situation.

And, I thought Prince was really ungratious to not attend.

However, if I was the guy, Napoleon complex or not, I wouldn't be terribly thrilled

about an event that I had no part in planning but somehow expected to

attend.

But the 'short' comments factored none of these things in. We simply focused

souly on those comments as they stood. And we never called it deep--just tacky.

Well said.

You do understand though, that when I call anything tacky, I'm beign a bigass, flaming hypocrite, no?

imago said:

rdhull said:

Well said.

You do understand though, that when I call anything tacky, I'm beign a bigass, flaming hypocrite, no?

Yes.

But you're not givng a symposium either.

babynoz said:

Thanks for posting this. It was better than most discussions with Prince associates perhaps because the people involved weren't so guarded in their responses as is often the case when people speak about him.

I had to LOL when that woman described the effect on us ladies during the Beautiful Ones scene in PR. Other than that she didn't contribute that much to the discussion but what she said was so on point that she ended up getting the biggest applause...Amen Sister!

Jabs aside, Alan's comments were insightful particularly with regard to Lovesexy and the whole crossover thing. He also provided a counterbalance to the younger folk on the panel who are more easily swayed by Prince's various personas.

?uest got the most laughs, especially when he describes getting those late night summons and surprise jam sessions. You get a sense of what it's like to be around him from a musician's standpoint.

Toure has potential and I think he will make the most of it. He's a very articulate, smart young guy who knows how to listen as well as talk and seems to put a lot of thought into his subject.

I would have preferred it if they had left more time for audience questions instead of going into the guest's political controversies. It totally didn't fit in with the purpose of the discussion.

People can make up their own mind but I highly recommend this webcast.

I just saw the webcast on YouTube and I gotta say that the ultimate Prince book will be written by Alan. He can tell the story without any star struck element to it. For me, most Prince books are difficult to read because they are usually overly sensationalist or overly star struck. (I'm looking your way 'Touré) Alan is none of that. Not only that, he WAS THERE. He probably has better things to do, but I hope he one day tackles the subject in full blown book form.

What makes them blowhards Errant?

I loved the stuff about the basketball game that P had with Toure. I was surprised that Prince let him make a free throw, also surprised Prince missed so many shots. Always had the impression he was a decent baller.

Quest has had some amazing access to P. I felt sorry for him that he had to endure those long religious sessions.

One thing that didn't surprise me was that Prince was really bad with his money, the fact that most of his early tours made no money because of over spending. His new shows actually make more money.

That is now why we see shows with such cheap sets..lol

Alan was right, they were mostly respectful to Prince, more than they should have. Prince, love him or not has done some truly awful things.

Imago, until Prince invites you to his house you need to chill.

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/392300 New Book: I Would Die 4 U by Touré

SoulSplash°

I got an advanced copy of this book yesterday, and read it all last night. It's a bit different than we've seen before. It really tries to get into the head of Prince, using his own words (from interviews spanning decades, along with his own lyrics) and interviews with those who were/are closest to him (Dez Dickerson, Eric Leeds, Susan Rogers, Mayte, high school teachers, etc).

I won't say it's the best book written about Prince (though apparently ?uestlove did); I'll just say it's different, in a good way. It's very well-written... carefully written -- a truly fascinating read about human development, cultural influences, what we do with what we've been dealt, passion and determination, conflict and resolution, battling inner turmoil, finding spiritual peace, and more.

It doesn't get into actual songcrafting as much as it attempts to explain "why" certain songs were crafted. Yeah, a lot of this you've heard before (the story about the magnificent "Wally" being erased forever), but I don't think you've ever seen the pieces of this enigmatic puzzle (Prince) assembled to fit together quite so nicely as this. Whereas past books could really get you angry at some of Prince's actions ("how could he be such a jerk!"), this book attempts to explain (not necessarily justify) the "why" of Prince's actions. The big picture becomes more clear.

After reading this, I feel I have a better understanding of Prince as a person... a human. Of course, some of you could care less ("just play me a song, alright?"), but for the rest of us that seem to feel some kind of connection with Prince beyond the music (especially if you've grown up relating to him in some way), I think you're going to dig this. Plus, I think it'll also help us discover something we previously misunderstood about ourselves.

Read my copy in one sitting yesterday. Toure is a really good writer. His perspective on Gen X. was spot on. And I agree, although there was nothing new to report, this is the first attempt at getting inside Prince's head, and it really made him out to be more human, than the asshole Rock Star, Prince presents to the world.

i have alot of respect 4 alan talent and as a old man but i really do think he is too argumentive online. i had 2 block him on facebook due 2 a conversation we had when the family wasnt allowed 2 use their name. he claim he left on such good terms with prince but sounds like somebody with alot of hate and hostile feelings in his heart 2 me.if i was a man who has done as much as he has in the business there is no damn way i would be online arguing with anybody over anything.

After reading the book, it only makes me wish Alan Leeds would write a book. Too much arm-chair psycho analysis and sensationalitic bullshit. It's astonishing to me that Toure is a journalist and he has that many factual inaccuracies and that's why i can't take this book seriously.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Imago, until Prince invites you to his house you need to chill.

yo momma

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

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r.

Mr. Leeds you don't have to defend yourself to these ass-kissin' fools you were with Prince they weren't tell 'em to kick rocks

PS: OH SHIT Alan Leeds posted on the Org!!!!

rdhull said:

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

[Edited 3/29/13 11:55am]

I mentioned the scorned bit and even with this post you seem a bit pissed at Prince. Maybe I was wrong I guess but you still are using some neagative usage in even this post. Glad youre on good terms with Prince.

Can u tell him to add some content to the website and is it true about August date regarding another artist?

ummm... rd... he's not pissed at Prince. he's pissed at you. duh!

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

[Edited 3/29/13 11:55am]

V10LETBLUES said:

I just saw the webcast on YouTube and I gotta say that the ultimate Prince book will be written by Alan. He can tell the story without any star struck element to it. For me, most Prince books are difficult to read because they are usually overly sensationalist or overly star struck. (I'm looking your way 'Touré) Alan is none of that. Not only that, he WAS THERE. He probably has better things to do, but I hope he one day tackles the subject in full blown book form.

I have to agree with you. Alan seems to be very down to earth, and has worked closely with Prince for sometime. I would find a book by Alan much more believable, honest, without any bitterness, but just to the point, and like you said, 'less star struck'.

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

[Edited 3/29/13 11:55am]

Hi Alan, nice to see you back here, even just for a moment. I didn't get a chance to listen to the full webcast, as for some reason the vid cut short, and will try to listen to it again if still available in archive, but it is always cool to hear fans speak of their introduction to Prince's music and how his music affected their lives . Anyway, I just wanted to say something about the Carnegie Tribute, since you mentioned it in your post. It was awesome. I loved the way the musicians/artists who performed, did their own version of Prince's songs. Of course no one can ever touch the original versions, but the musicians/artists who performed that night, did a great job.

For example, musician Bhi Bhiman sang an acoustic version of 'When Doves Cry'. He sang it in such a very, different moving but eery and captivating kind of way, and I loved how Alice Smith and Citizen Cope (Alice's husband) sang 'Pop Life' together, among the other artists who did a good job with the songs. Also, enjoyed seeing your brother Eric Leeds perform as well. You could feel the love that the musicians/artists at Carnegie had for Prince's music, and the love that was coming from the audience as well.

I do wish he was able to see those musicians/artists perform their own version of his songs. I think he would have been proud. Perhaps he didin't show up for the tribute so not to take the attention off the performers, I don't know, just a guess as any other. However, the Carnegie tribute went over very well and was a lot of fun. Even when the young choir of kids sang 'Raspberry Beret', it was cool seeing youth from that generation singing one of his classics I am really not sure if Prince is fully aware of how his music affected so many of his fans.

Prince introduced his music at a time, where many were trying to find their nerve and voice to speak out on many of the taboo, societal issues, that Prince was bold enough to sing about, (i.e., race/sexuality/gender, etc), and not only with the lyrics, but the 'shock and awe' of his appearance at that time as well, attracted fans to him and his music. I don't think we will ever see another musician/artist like him in this lifetime. As a fan of his music, I'm just glad I was around to experience his music from early on. Thanks for your input and visiting here once again. Wish you well.

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Slightly off topic, but Carnegie non attendance has been mentioned, here's my take:

As soon as I saw the setlist (a risque track here, a bootleg there) I became pretty sure Prince wouldn't attend.

I mean, really? Only Prince knows for sure why he didn't show. But couldn't it simply be because of his own personal religious stance? I'm not religious in the slightest but would respect Prince's position regarding his own past lyrics. What were some of the Carnegie artists thinking performing said songs? Was it really a surprise he didn't show?

2elijah said:

ALANL said:

I kind of stopped replying to shit because it generally just hypes the drama. But I do want to set one thing straight - I don't know who saw the entire seminar Tuesday night but there was a lot of love in that room for Prince and his influence on both fans and artists. And that love started at the podium. My comment about "growing" was within a context wherein I was the only panel member who was an adult when meeting Prince. And even with love, one can easily make a case that in some ways he has not "grown up".....IE: his uber competitiveness that's below his accomplishment level, even the fact that he couldn't muster the humility to attend the recent Carnegie Hall tribute - even if it meant sucking it up to hear others play HIS music. What a shame....other legit artists adore him so much they actually want to pay homage and experience playing his music? We should all be so lucky.The "growing up" incident was early in the seminar. I wanted the event to be loose, loving and fun. In such a stiff environment, it didn't hurt to break the tension with a laugh. I didnt say anything I wouldnt say to P's face and Im sure he'd enjoy mocking my thining white hair, for example, in return. In other words, IT AIN'T THAT DEEP, folks.As to still feeling "scorned"????? Whew, there's someone who really knows absolutely nothing about me. I left Prince on good terms after 10 wonderful years. Things had changed, my career goals had changed and it was clear Prince had some new ideas about how to structure his business. Most of his ideas have proven very successful. For me, it was simply time to move on and quite honestly, most of my ideas for my career have been just as satisfactory. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Prince and/or me, would never think there was ever any "scorn" related to our professional relationship.......(1) he wouldn't do it, (2) Im not the type guy to tolerate it. There IS life "after Prince"......and I have enjoyed mine tremendously, thank you very much.

[Edited 3/29/13 11:55am]

Hi Alan, nice to see you back here, even just for a moment. I didn't get a chance to listen to the full webcast, as for some reason the vid cut short, and will try to listen to it again if still available in archive, but it is always cool to hear fans speak of their introduction to Prince's music and how his music affected their lives . Anyway, I just wanted to say something about the Carnegie Tribute, since you mentioned it in your post. It was awesome. I loved the way the musicians/artists who performed, did their own version of Prince's songs. Of course no one can ever touch the original versions, but the musicians/artists who performed that night, did a great job.

For example, musician Bhi Bhiman sang an acoustic version of 'When Doves Cry'. He sang it in such a very, different moving but eery and captiviating kind of way, and I loved how Alice Smith and Citizen Cope (Alice's husband) sang 'Pop Life' together, among the other artists who did a good job with the songs.. Also, enjoyed seeing your brother Eric Leeds perform as well. You could feel the love that the musicians/artists at Carnegie had for Prince's music, and the love that was coming from the audience as well.

I do wish he was able to see those musicians/artists perform their own version of his songs. I think he would have been proud. Perhaps he didin't show up for the tribute so not to take the attention off the performers, I don't know, just a guess as any other. However, the Carnegie tribute went over very well and was a lot of fun. Even when the young choir of kids sang 'Raspberry Beret', it was cool seeing youth from that generation singing one of his classics I am really not sure if Prince is fully aware of how his music affected so many of his fans.

Prince introduced his music at a time, where many were trying to find their nerve or and voice to speak out on many of the taboo, societal issues, that Prince was bold enough to sing about, (i.e., race/sexuality/gender, etc), and not only with the lyrics, but the 'shock and awe' of his appearance at that time as well, attracted fans to him and his music. I don't think we will ever see another musician/artist like him in this lifetime. As a fan of his music, I'm just glad I was around to experience his music from early on. Thanks for your input and visiting here once again. Wish you well.

Nice reply 2Elijah

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Hi Alan, nice to see you back here, even just for a moment. I didn't get a chance to listen to the full webcast, as for some reason the vid cut short, and will try to listen to it again if still available in archive, but it is always cool to hear fans speak of their introduction to Prince's music and how his music affected their lives . Anyway, I just wanted to say something about the Carnegie Tribute, since you mentioned it in your post. It was awesome. I loved the way the musicians/artists who performed, did their own version of Prince's songs. Of course no one can ever touch the original versions, but the musicians/artists who performed that night, did a great job.

For example, musician Bhi Bhiman sang an acoustic version of 'When Doves Cry'. He sang it in such a very, different moving but eery and captiviating kind of way, and I loved how Alice Smith and Citizen Cope (Alice's husband) sang 'Pop Life' together, among the other artists who did a good job with the songs.. Also, enjoyed seeing your brother Eric Leeds perform as well. You could feel the love that the musicians/artists at Carnegie had for Prince's music, and the love that was coming from the audience as well.

I do wish he was able to see those musicians/artists perform their own version of his songs. I think he would have been proud. Perhaps he didin't show up for the tribute so not to take the attention off the performers, I don't know, just a guess as any other. However, the Carnegie tribute went over very well and was a lot of fun. Even when the young choir of kids sang 'Raspberry Beret', it was cool seeing youth from that generation singing one of his classics I am really not sure if Prince is fully aware of how his music affected so many of his fans.

Prince introduced his music at a time, where many were trying to find their nerve or and voice to speak out on many of the taboo, societal issues, that Prince was bold enough to sing about, (i.e., race/sexuality/gender, etc), and not only with the lyrics, but the 'shock and awe' of his appearance at that time as well, attracted fans to him and his music. I don't think we will ever see another musician/artist like him in this lifetime. As a fan of his music, I'm just glad I was around to experience his music from early on. Thanks for your input and visiting here once again. Wish you well.

Nice reply 2Elijah

Thanks! Just to add...would be cool if Drfunkenberry invited Alan to his Spreecast show as a guest.

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I finally watched this program. It was interesting.

The part that caught my ear was the comments about Prince and the way he operates.

I'm surprised that Alan and Amir talked about that.

I wonder if Prince actually let's his true "self" be know by anyone whom he is not married 2?

This just seems like a lonely existence that doesn't have 2 be that way.

The issue I've had with Prince over the years is that his version of trust always goes in 1 direction.

He wants u 2 trust him..............but he doesn't really trust u.

WTH is that?

Graycap23 said:

I finally watched this program. It was interesting.

The part that caught my ear was the comments about Prince and the way he operates.

I'm surprised that Alan and Amir talked about that.

I wonder if Prince actually let's his true "self" be know by anyone whom he is not married 2?

This just seems like a lonely existence that doesn't have 2 be that way.

The issue I've had with Prince over the years is that his version of trust always goes in 1 direction.

He wants u 2 trust him..............but he doesn't really trust u.

WTH is that?

Isnt it already obvious?

rdhull said:

Graycap23 said:

I finally watched this program. It was interesting.

The part that caught my ear was the comments about Prince and the way he operates.

I'm surprised that Alan and Amir talked about that.

I wonder if Prince actually let's his true "self" be know by anyone whom he is not married 2?

This just seems like a lonely existence that doesn't have 2 be that way.

The issue I've had with Prince over the years is that his version of trust always goes in 1 direction.

He wants u 2 trust him..............but he doesn't really trust u.

WTH is that?

Isnt it already obvious?

Yes it is.

Graycap23 said:

rdhull said:

Isnt it already obvious?

Yes it is.

good

cause it all stems from trust issues via his childood that he never recociled with...being dejected by ones parents does not a happy adaptive adult make...his worldview is that its dangerous, and people are untrustworthy, and there is trouble with attachment...a lot of this was put into the context of his music and lyrics in the 80's...

Graycap23 said:

I finally watched this program. It was interesting.

The part that caught my ear was the comments about Prince and the way he operates.

I'm surprised that Alan and Amir talked about that.

I wonder if Prince actually let's his true "self" be know by anyone whom he is not married 2?

This just seems like a lonely existence that doesn't have 2 be that way.

The issue I've had with Prince over the years is that his version of trust always goes in 1 direction.

He wants u 2 trust him..............but he doesn't really trust u.

WTH is that?

I actually never really listened to the lyrics of 'When Doves Cry', because I was more into the music of the song, but after reading where some state it was in reference to a part of his childhood that involved his mother, it is only recent that I am paying attention to the meaning of those lyrics. Especially the line "How can you leave me standing, in a world so cold". it's understandable that a child who may have felt some form of abandonment by a parent (in this case a mother), would not easily trust people in their adulthood. Not to mention his success as a musician, he probably is not too sure, who is really a true friend in his life, as well as, those who surround him daily, who may just want to be around him, because of who he is.

I can't understand any parent's reasoning for abandonment or neglect of a child though. That's just not acceptable to me, but that's just my personal opinion. I am not saying this actually happened in his life, since that information comes from those who may have had a relationship with him or worked closely with him, for a specific, period of time, but doesn't really mean they actually know all of who he is on a very, deep and personal level. I do wonder how he feels about people he believes are his true friends, but then speaks very, personal things about him in public, i.e., interviews/within the media, which might question some trust issues with them. A true friend would never do that, no matter how they feel you conduct your business financially, etc.

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2elijah said:

. Especially the line "How can you leave me standing, in a world so cold". it's understandable that a child who may have felt some form of abandonment by a parent (in this case a mother), would not easily trust people in their adulthood. Not to mention his success as a musician, he probably is not too sure, who is really a true friend in his life, as well as, those who surround him daily, who may just want to be around him, because of who he is.

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Understandable 2 some degree but relationships should be reciprocal.

All I can say is....Prince is a trip and I'll leave it at that.

Graycap23 said:

Great discussion. I could've easily listened to another 2 hours of that.

still people "ignore" the implications of that cousin comment by the Vibe chick....

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

Understandable 2 some degree but relationships should be reciprocal.

All I can say is....Prince is a trip and I'll leave it at that.

I guess it more or less depends on how genuine the relatioship(s) really is or was.

How genuine can it ever get if one part is fronting at the very start?