bellanoche said:

If you hate Prince so much, why do you still follow him and his music?

[Edited 10/2/12 11:24am]

I have been a member of this community since it was a mailing list with a live chat window.

In that time, I've seen Prince, the man, go from an eccentric voice with an inspiring message of love to a voice whose pronouncements do not serve to make the world a better place.

He's a multi-millionaire. Many thousands of his dollars come from my pocket. He doesn't give a fuck about me.

He's not obliged to.

But his opinions on sexuality, politics and generosity, and on certain aspects of race, are repellent to me. They're ignorant, old fashioned, selfish and make the world a more bitter, cynical and ugly place.

I'm not obliged to be quiet about it. We're all square.

This is my community. Prince inspired it. He's become an awful man, and his music, likewise, is basically bad now.

But this is my community. It's for me. It's not Prince's. It's ours.

If you don't like it, find another one. Come back when Prince releases an excellent record and reminds us that we're supposed to love each other rather than whine about taxes.

This board needs rules that should be enforced just as much as the bootlegging rule.

One of those rules should be regarding the line between constructive criticism and pure, unadulterated hate and negativity.

You don't have to like everything Prince does. You don't have to pretend that you do. But at some point, it's turned into the same few people prying apart their assholes to drop humongous amounts of shit on the fans who - god forbid - actually come here to discuss their favorite artist.

Extraloveable is a prime example. Anyone who dared to express that they actually liked the new version, or preferred it to the original, got ripped to shreds in the nastiest of ways..... by the same small contingent of people who do nothing but whinge, moan and complain here, DAY IN, DAY OUT. It happens with the rehearsal jams. It happens with any new song. It's just dull.

At this point Prince could probably pull out a completely unheard incredible song from 1983 and pretend it's new, and the same few people would whinge and complain because they BELIEVED it was something brand new. He should do that and punk the hell out of some of you all.

If you don't like something, fine. And feel free to express that. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. But don't shit on the people that DO like it.

It's all good though. "Love and positivity will never succumb to hate and malice..." - wise words from a certain artist.

Rules are against the Uptown ethos.

Militant said:

This board needs rules that should be enforced just as much as the bootlegging rule.

One of those rules should be regarding the line between constructive criticism and pure, unadulterated hate and negativity.

You don't have to like everything Prince does. You don't have to pretend that you do. But at some point, it's turned into the same few people prying apart their assholes to drop humongous amounts of shit on the fans who - god forbid - actually come here to discuss their favorite artist.

Extraloveable is a prime example. Anyone who dared to express that they actually liked the new version, or preferred it to the original, got ripped to shreds in the nastiest of ways..... by the same small contingent of people who do nothing but whinge, moan and complain here, DAY IN, DAY OUT. It happens with the rehearsal jams. It happens with any new song. It's just dull.

At this point Prince could probably pull out a completely unheard incredible song from 1983 and pretend it's new, and the same few people would whinge and complain because they BELIEVED it was something brand new. He should do that and punk the hell out of some of you all.

If you don't like something, fine. And feel free to express that. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. But don't shit on the people that DO like it.

It's all good though. "Love and positivity will never succumb to hate and malice..." - wise words from a certain artist.

Points about the two bolded statements:

SAME FEW PEOPLE. Which means there are more "yays" than "nays". You as well as others choose to focus on them instead of just going on with your positivity. That's YOUR fault. I don't let the overly negative people or overly positive people on this site bother me.

Love and positivity is succumbing to hate and malice every time you guys let it.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), differing opinions are allowed here. Only the person can control how they react to them. There exist a freedom to say pretty much what you want and that is on the good side and on the bad side.

The people who continously let these same people get to them are more "frustrating" than the constantly negative people. You guys keep shedding light on it, adding flame to the fire. Your positive words are not going to change their negative ones.

This site is never going to be what some of you want it to be. Complaining about complainers only makes it worse.

I've been here 13 years and I swear I said this in the first thread I ever posted to.

Splanknasty said:

bellanoche said:

If you hate Prince so much, why do you still follow him and his music?

[Edited 10/2/12 11:24am]

I have been a member of this community since it was a mailing list with a live chat window.

In that time, I've seen Prince, the man, go from an eccentric voice with an inspiring message of love to a voice whose pronouncements do not serve to make the world a better place.

He's a multi-millionaire. Many thousands of his dollars come from my pocket. He doesn't give a fuck about me.

He's not obliged to.

But his opinions on sexuality, politics and generosity, and on certain aspects of race, are repellent to me. They're ignorant, old fashioned, selfish and make the world a more bitter, cynical and ugly place.

I'm not obliged to be quiet about it. We're all square.

This is my community. Prince inspired it. He's become an awful man, and his music, likewise, is basically bad now.

But this is my community. It's for me. It's not Prince's. It's ours.

If you don't like it, find another one. Come back when Prince releases an excellent record and reminds us that we're supposed to love each other rather than whine about taxes.

I couldn't resist!

Wall said:

novabrkr said:

There are a handful of posters on this site that should be banned. Rational criticism is okay, but not managing to express yourself in any other way than describing everything Prince has done during the last 10-15 years as utterly worthless is not rational criticism. Making comments like that just proves that one isn't capable of critical thinking (no, calling things "shit" on a constant basis doesn't qualify as that).

I post on several other music sites (artists, music styles, gear) and if you have nothing else to contribute to those communities than some sort of knee jerk reactions and constantly derail the threads with your posts you'll get banned on those. It's trolling in the original definition of the word and detrimental to the discussions themselves. Although it must be said that the banned individuals tend to come back under different aliases.

Here's a medal for the most pathetic post on the internet.

If your day is hampered by people bickering on the internet, especially the org, I can only imagine how much three-dimensional objects must trip you up in real life.

Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr.

Either grow a pair or log out if you can't handle a thread about everyone's favorite has-been. Jesus Christ. Why does everyone immediately turn into a fascist when they run out of things to say?

This response of yours just proves that you do not even bother to take the content of other people's posts into account before attacking them and making personal insults. Especially that "Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr." part is just rhetorical nonsense and has nothing to do with what I've written above.

And, yes, my days might be sometimes hampered by people bickering on the Internet. If I try to have a discussion on something with people that share similar interests as mine I don't want to see the discussions getting constantly derailed by the trolls on this forum. They divert the discussion to themselves and demand attention from everyone (usually with the use of very immature language, like you have just used).

People should indeed get banned for that type of behaviour and on every other discussion forum that I visit they do get banned. Not only has the level of discussion on this site decreased greatly it is also time-consuming for others to try to respond to individuals such as yourself in a civilized enough manner (which never really works as that usually just results in further personal insults).

novabrkr said:

Wall said:

Here's a medal for the most pathetic post on the internet.

If your day is hampered by people bickering on the internet, especially the org, I can only imagine how much three-dimensional objects must trip you up in real life.

Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr.

Either grow a pair or log out if you can't handle a thread about everyone's favorite has-been. Jesus Christ. Why does everyone immediately turn into a fascist when they run out of things to say?

This response of yours just proves that you do not even bother to take the content of other people's posts into account before attacking them and making personal insults. Especially that "Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr." part is just rhetorical nonsense and has nothing to do with what I've written above.

And, yes, my days might be sometimes hampered by people bickering on the Internet. If I try to have a discussion on something with people that share similar interests as mine I don't want to see the discussions getting constantly derailed by the trolls on this forum. They divert the discussion to themselves and demand attention from everyone (usually with the use of very immature language, like you have just used).

People should indeed get banned for that type of behaviour and on every other discussion forum that I visit they do get banned. Not only has the level of discussion on this site decreased greatly it is also time-consuming for others to try to respond to individuals such as yourself in a civilized enough manner (which never really works as that usually just results in further personal insults).

Plus he called me a republican.

rdhull said:

novabrkr said:

This response of yours just proves that you do not even bother to take the content of other people's posts into account before attacking them and making personal insults. Especially that "Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr." part is just rhetorical nonsense and has nothing to do with what I've written above.

And, yes, my days might be sometimes hampered by people bickering on the Internet. If I try to have a discussion on something with people that share similar interests as mine I don't want to see the discussions getting constantly derailed by the trolls on this forum. They divert the discussion to themselves and demand attention from everyone (usually with the use of very immature language, like you have just used).

People should indeed get banned for that type of behaviour and on every other discussion forum that I visit they do get banned. Not only has the level of discussion on this site decreased greatly it is also time-consuming for others to try to respond to individuals such as yourself in a civilized enough manner (which never really works as that usually just results in further personal insults).

Plus he called me a republican.

rdhull said:

novabrkr said:

This response of yours just proves that you do not even bother to take the content of other people's posts into account before attacking them and making personal insults. Especially that "Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr." part is just rhetorical nonsense and has nothing to do with what I've written above.

And, yes, my days might be sometimes hampered by people bickering on the Internet. If I try to have a discussion on something with people that share similar interests as mine I don't want to see the discussions getting constantly derailed by the trolls on this forum. They divert the discussion to themselves and demand attention from everyone (usually with the use of very immature language, like you have just used).

People should indeed get banned for that type of behaviour and on every other discussion forum that I visit they do get banned. Not only has the level of discussion on this site decreased greatly it is also time-consuming for others to try to respond to individuals such as yourself in a civilized enough manner (which never really works as that usually just results in further personal insults).

Plus he called me a republican.

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'Still, the law isn't always a panacea to hate. The best antidote to hate speech, ADL maintains, is more speech. Public awareness of hate on the Internet, whether through reports and studies or media coverage, can go a long way to help sensitize the public, private Internet companies, and government regulators to the problem.'

'When hate speech on the Internet inspires violence, the evidence could aid the prosecution in seeking an increased penalty under the hate crimes statute. While this concept has only been applied to movies thus far, there have been an increasing number of crimes being committed by perpetrators who read hate literature online. The racially motivated shooting of blacks, Asian-Americans and Jews in suburban Chicago over July Fourth weekend in 1999 was carried out by a member of World Church of the Creator, Benjamin Nathaniel Smith, who, according to law enforcement officials, has admitted to reading hate literature online. There have been similar cases where perpetrators of hate crimes have found inspiration in literature easily obtainable on the Internet.'

http://www.adl.org/intern...t_law3.asp

The days are coming when we'll be free of this nonsense because filters will just fade them out. Up till then, I guess they just like adding fuel to the fire, which says more about them than the fuel they add.

We also know that they have multiple accounts to try and reinforce their army and that they rarely separate the people from the problem. We don't like your club, and yeah just as in 'Colonised Mind' we 'wanna talk about it.'

Stymie said:

tricky99 said:

Wow. This must have really hit a nerve with you. There is a difference from having opinion and just being completely negative. We all know there are people on this site that act as if Prince is the devil. that is entirely different then disliking certain songs, albums, etc. I don't think the OP was alluding to someone like you.

The OP is being passive agressive and instead of hashing it out with whomever she has a problem with, she's painting with broad strokes. Who knows? Genesia's less than glowing reviews in the Concerts Forum could be one of the people this person is talking about.

I suggest people go read those posts themselves. I see one, maybe two people in the hundreds of posts on the Chicago shows being overly negative and even then, if that is the way they feel, so what?

And if you guys have a problem with trolls, keep giving them their shine. They'll never go away.

Not only passive agressive but also childish, exaggerated and self serving. The majority of posts in the concerts forum have been positive, but there is such a thing as valid criticism too.

Every week or so someone does a thread saying Prince has lost it, or whining about the so called "haters" or whining about the so called "kool aid drinkers"...blah, blah, blah. You can set your damn watch by it.

I have yet to see one of these threads actually stop anyone from saying what they want so what's the purpose?

I'll say it for the thousanth time, everybody already knows who the clowns are and what they have to say because it never changes...if people keep giving their attention to the same dozen or so trolls, allowing them to derail thread after thread then like you said, that's on THEM. For the thousanth time, the ONLY way to neutralize a troll is to ignore/report them.

It ain't rocket science.

babynoz said:

Stymie said:

The OP is being passive agressive and instead of hashing it out with whomever she has a problem with, she's painting with broad strokes. Who knows? Genesia's less than glowing reviews in the Concerts Forum could be one of the people this person is talking about.

I suggest people go read those posts themselves. I see one, maybe two people in the hundreds of posts on the Chicago shows being overly negative and even then, if that is the way they feel, so what?

And if you guys have a problem with trolls, keep giving them their shine. They'll never go away.

Not only passive agressive but also childish, exaggerated and self serving. The majority of posts in the concerts forum have been positive, but there is such a thing as valid criticism too.

Every week or so someone does a thread saying Prince has lost it, or whining about the so called "haters" or whining about the so called "kool aid drinkers"...blah, blah, blah. You can set your damn watch by it.

I have yet to see one of these threads actually stop anyone from saying what they want so what's the purpose?

I'll say it for the thousanth time, everybody already knows who the clowns are and what they have to say because it never changes...if people keep giving their attention to the same dozen or so trolls, allowing them to derail thread after thread then like you said, that's on THEM. For the thousanth time, the ONLY way to neutralize a troll is to ignore/report them.

It ain't rocket science.

Exactly. I was at the majority and read all the reviews so I'm like: what is this person talking about?

Stymie said:

Militant said:

This board needs rules that should be enforced just as much as the bootlegging rule.

One of those rules should be regarding the line between constructive criticism and pure, unadulterated hate and negativity.

You don't have to like everything Prince does. You don't have to pretend that you do. But at some point, it's turned into the same few people prying apart their assholes to drop humongous amounts of shit on the fans who - god forbid - actually come here to discuss their favorite artist.

Extraloveable is a prime example. Anyone who dared to express that they actually liked the new version, or preferred it to the original, got ripped to shreds in the nastiest of ways..... by the same small contingent of people who do nothing but whinge, moan and complain here, DAY IN, DAY OUT. It happens with the rehearsal jams. It happens with any new song. It's just dull.

At this point Prince could probably pull out a completely unheard incredible song from 1983 and pretend it's new, and the same few people would whinge and complain because they BELIEVED it was something brand new. He should do that and punk the hell out of some of you all.

If you don't like something, fine. And feel free to express that. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. But don't shit on the people that DO like it.

It's all good though. "Love and positivity will never succumb to hate and malice..." - wise words from a certain artist.

Points about the two bolded statements:

SAME FEW PEOPLE. Which means there are more "yays" than "nays". You as well as others choose to focus on them instead of just going on with your positivity. That's YOUR fault. I don't let the overly negative people or overly positive people on this site bother me.

Love and positivity is succumbing to hate and malice every time you guys let it.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), differing opinions are allowed here. Only the person can control how they react to them. There exist a freedom to say pretty much what you want and that is on the good side and on the bad side.

The people who continously let these same people get to them are more "frustrating" than the constantly negative people. You guys keep shedding light on it, adding flame to the fire. Your positive words are not going to change their negative ones.

This site is never going to be what some of you want it to be. Complaining about complainers only makes it worse.

I've been here 13 years and I swear I said this in the first thread I ever posted to.

It's not about me. My opinions aren't going to change on something I like regardless of these people. It's more about the younger newer fans which we have quite a lot of. I've seen these "same few people" shit on a few people for their opinion... you don't think that's kinda fucked up when 30 and 40 year olds pounce on a teen..... and for what? Because they expressed that they liked the new rehearsal version of "The Dance Electric"? Overall, it creates a negative vibe, and you know what? People have LEFT this board because of it. I've seen it happen.

Great members full of positivity, some of them coming here to learn about Prince like we all did at one stage. Some of them have never experienced a new Prince release before, and they get excited only to have these miserable fuckers put them on blast for no other reason other than that they get their rocks off by complaining all day and all night.

And...

novabrkr said:

And, yes, my days might be sometimes hampered by people bickering on the Internet. If I try to have a discussion on something with people that share similar interests as mine I don't want to see the discussions getting constantly derailed by the trolls on this forum. They divert the discussion to themselves and demand attention from everyone (usually with the use of very immature language, like you have just used).

There's this.

what a strange yet interesting thread! there's even a picture of Dick Cheney in this thread!! LMAO

SoulAlive said:

what a strange yet interesting thread! there's even a picture of Dick Cheney in this thread!! LMAO

And RD got called a Republican!

I honestly never even read the opening post, and I've no idea what you're rambling on about now Militant, but I agree, nobody should pick on a teenager for liking whatever sappy Dance Electric rehearsal Prince released. Let me guess, it was dropped via Dr. Funkenberry. Oh, right, couldn't have been. Unless the org gave him a paypayl bailout, he was gonna have to close down shop.

babynoz said:

SoulAlive said:

what a strange yet interesting thread! there's even a picture of Dick Cheney in this thread!! LMAO

And RD got called a Republican!

My point was salient. As soon as he's met with an opposing voice, a supposed liberal screams for expulsion. Pathetic, I agree.

Wall said:

babynoz said:

And RD got called a Republican!

My point was salient. As soon as he's met with an opposing voice, a supposed liberal screams for expulsion. Pathetic, I agree.

How come I never see you in P&R? We need some more conservatives in there!

These pretzels.... are making me thirsty.

rdhull said:

These pretzels.... are making me thirsty.

Been dining with Dubya again?

RodeoSchro said:

Wall said:

My point was salient. As soon as he's met with an opposing voice, a supposed liberal screams for expulsion. Pathetic, I agree.

How come I never see you in P&R? We need some more conservatives in there!

I mopped up exclusively in politics and religion off and on for nearly a year. Check my post history, there's likely still a few gems in the cache.

However, it was hardly as a battle-axe for the right. I'd likely have more supporters if I were, though. After all, Prince has certainly shifted his views to the extreme right and I suspect many of his minions are marching lockstep behind towards the purple cliff.

[Edited 10/3/12 14:21pm]

Wall said:

babynoz said:

And RD got called a Republican!

My point was salient. As soon as he's met with an opposing voice, a supposed liberal screams for expulsion. Pathetic, I agree.

Or calls the opposer a racist. Which serves the same purpose, I suppose.

Militant said:

This board needs rules that should be enforced just as much as the bootlegging rule.

One of those rules should be regarding the line between constructive criticism and pure, unadulterated hate and negativity.

You don't have to like everything Prince does. You don't have to pretend that you do. But at some point, it's turned into the same few people prying apart their assholes to drop humongous amounts of shit on the fans who - god forbid - actually come here to discuss their favorite artist.

Extraloveable is a prime example. Anyone who dared to express that they actually liked the new version, or preferred it to the original, got ripped to shreds in the nastiest of ways..... by the same small contingent of people who do nothing but whinge, moan and complain here, DAY IN, DAY OUT. It happens with the rehearsal jams. It happens with any new song. It's just dull.

At this point Prince could probably pull out a completely unheard incredible song from 1983 and pretend it's new, and the same few people would whinge and complain because they BELIEVED it was something brand new. He should do that and punk the hell out of some of you all.

If you don't like something, fine. And feel free to express that. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. But don't shit on the people that DO like it.

It's all good though. "Love and positivity will never succumb to hate and malice..." - wise words from a certain artist.

I agree with this. The forums need to be monitored better. Like you said, people come here to discuss Prince and his music/whatever with civility and those "few" come in and spew tons upon tons of crap about how awful the music is, how awful Prince's output has been, and how they've hated the new music since 1998, 1988, whatever. Those "few", if the music is so awful and wretched to them, would find their time more productive doing anything else instead of logging on here day after day harrassing those who want to discuss the man or the music in a mature manner.

It goes back to what's been said on this forum several times. They're trolling. Or... or... they're just trying to get people riled up into spitting contests because they've nothing else to do. If they don't like the music anymore, don't come to this site. Go listen to some Miles, Beatles, MJ, or anyone else they feel "still had it" throughout their careers.

But, that would be a productive use of time, and possibly remove an avenue for attention. Nobody here cares what your professional or personal history is. Somebody here decided it prudent to cite their resume, seemingly for some kind of credibility, I don't know, don't care. It doesn't make their words any more important than anyone else who comes to this site. This seemed to be an attempt to get "Oooohs" or "Ahhhhs", or "wow, they be edjumacated" from the rest of us who must be thought of as idiots because we don't spew bullshit on a site about a man who doesn't give a shit about our opinions. You got an education? Great, so do I. Got a good job? Great, so do I. I'm not going to put my work/personal history up anywhere because I feel like I have to show some kind of credibility for being here.

Now, queue the people who do this to tear my posting apart.

Fuck, fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

[Edited 10/3/12 15:03pm]

[Edited 10/3/12 15:07pm]

bellanoche said:

If you hate Prince so much, why do you still follow him and his music?

Intitially thinking my post, if there were to be one, would serve only to convey my enjoyment and amusement while reading this thread, I had to add a correction of my own. Since you graciously attempted to correct me (incorrectly) in another thread, I felt obliged to return the favour, however insignificant it may be.

I wouldn't consider what you've written to be a message, rather a question. Hence the use of a question mark punctuating your opening sentence. This is followed by a barrage of your own strongly held personal opinions and assumptions which I must say I enjoyed.

Strangely, you seem to have difficulty accepting that others have formed opinions vastly different to that of your own. Other people make assumptions of their own all the time too. Do not be afraid, as this, on the whole, will not hurt you.

I feel strongly obliged to correct you furthermore by informing you that your use of the phrase "Could care less" should be in fact - could not, or couldn't care less. To be thoroughly sincere, I couldn't care less myself. I realise that it's an Americanism and for that you have my sympathies, you poor little sausage.

I could however, take offense to the slanderous accusation that "They" whoever they are and who knows, I might be one of them, "act as if they created this man in a laboratory and have the right to control his every move". I could ask what business it would be of yours if Prince were indeed being controlled surreptitiously by 'them' or even 'us'? But I wont. Since you obviously enjoyed your recent excursions 'they' must've made a good job of it, though debatably, there seemed to have been malfunctions on the opening night.

Some will say black is white, some may say chalk is cheese, some say don't put me in the ambulance Doc and so say all of us, but we mustn't let it bother us as some have already stated. It's a big World full of all kinds of nasties... Or is it? It's a matter of perspective. If you see through rose coloured glasses, everything in the garden will look rosy. If you see through the bars of a psychiactric institution, which you may well be doing in the not so distant future, everything may also look rosy, on the good days. You're even highly likely in such a case, to find yourself posting in threads on a Prince forum, similar to the one you just created. While some will not like it there are others that will. There's others here with us after all.

Assuming those frequenting this site have more than a passing interest in Prince or his music we must allow for as many of those that do, to have just as many opinions of the man or his work as anyone else. Those that actually post will do so for many reasons. The fact that they take the trouble to post would indicate a certain amount of interest in the subject. Those that post to vilify the man, his music or for that matter anothers opinion do so of their own volition. Let it be so, cos I said so. To adopt your position briefly if I may be so bold, my way is the right way and my way is the only way.

A post stating only "Fart, pop, and la la" is as valid to me at times, even more appropriate, than a post from any other. If you feel passionately about it and have the inclination, why not make a video of your own, similar to the inspirational "Leave Britney Alone" show so kindly posted above. I for one would certainly like to see it. A venture inside the warped mind of many a Prince fan will often entertain and enlighten. Be wary of kissing the beast, be superior at least. Spooky and all that he crawls for. Straight up and in Ws.

To quote another Orger (Yourself) "It can be a lot of fun to share different perspectives on an artist that people have a shared appreciation for. After all that is what “fans” of an artist do".

Free speech anyone?

[Edited 10/3/12 17:19pm]

Stymie said:

PurpleChi said:

I can agree with you that it takes all types to make the world go 'round. I also fully acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that opinion will not always be agreeable with whatever Prince is doing. That's perfectly fair. I think that what bellanoche is getting at is not a question of positive vs. negative or likes/dislikes. I think there is a segment of Orgers that constantly spew hateful remarks at a discussion just because they are probably dreadful individuals who have nothing better to do. There are some people who have never said one nice (or even peaceable) thing to anyone on any thread in the two years I've been a member. And yes, that is yet another unfortunate trait of any fan site.

But there is a point to what bellanoche is saying. Take Madonna for instance. You will not find me anywhere near a Madonna fan site. I like several of her songs, but I don't have an even moderate regard for her as an artist. I thought everyone who spent $375 to see her in concert truly needed medication. However, when she was in Chicago (just days before Prince), I did not log on to the Madonna fan site and post message after message about what I can't stand about her. She just doesn't mean that much to my life. So one does kind of wonder--if you really can't stand much of what Prince does, what would draw you to a Prince fan site? It's a reasonable question.

Sorry but how is taking the opinions of four, possibly five people a reflection on a segment of Orgers who spew negative comments? Making personal assessments on people who are free to say whatever they want is pretty jacked, too.

I've said it before and will say it again, some of you choose to dwell in what you perceive to be negativity on this site. That's on you. If you ignore people who you believe are negative and those people are trolls, then they'll go away.

Check my post Stymie. I never said "spew negative comments." I said "spew hateful remarks." There is a huge difference. I am not talking about people who have something negative to say about Prince, or don't see the quality in his latest performance, album, etc. I'm talking about people who attack him as a human being. I'm sorry but you would be lying if you said that you don't see comments on here that make you just cringe because they are so disturbing.

Now to your point about ignoring those people, I typically do. This particular thread just happens to be a call out to such people and I am giving my opinion on it because I see where the OP is coming from.

what a waste of time this whole mess is. god bless the ORG

PurpleChi said:

bellanoche said:

If you hate Prince so much, why do you still follow him and his music?

Having gone to all three W2C shows, all three Purple After Jams, and the Andy Allo listening party, I tried to present a balanced review of all the shows I attended - the good and the bad. Yet, the deluge of hostile, negative, and misleading posts that I have seen regarding these shows highlights to me that some of the people need take a break from Prince or leave him alone entirely. It is obvious to me that several Prince “fans” have an idea of who and what Prince should be and their minds are closed to anything else. Their perception of everything he does is filtered through their negative beliefs of him. So no matter how much he tries to do something good or make a right from a wrong, they are unsatisfied. They act as if they created this man in a laboratory and have the right to control his every move. Some people openly hope he loses his JW faith so that they can get him to do the music they want to hear. Some dog his religious and political beliefs with disturbing vitriol. Others don’t like his choice of charities – forget the fact that he is even donating money to charities and helping people out. Really? People hate Larry Graham – a musical legend – because they think he took their Prince away from them. At some point, Prince stopped being human to these people. They want him to be their personal marionette. If he doesn’t do something the way they want it when they want it, he is the scion of Satan. I have never seen anything like this with other artists. I can go to the Santana fan site and see people who are unhappy with certain musical or career moves that he makes. However, there is still a genuine love and respect for him as an artist. It is never anything like this.

Why is it that whenever someone tries to say a positive word about Prince they are referred to as purple Kool-Aid drinking “stans,” and they are mocked for not jumping on the Negative Nancy/Whining Wendy/Psycho Sid bandwagon. It is hilarious to me that I can take breaks from this site for months and return to see the same posters posting negative remarks about everything Prince does. How completely pathetic is that? I could care less about the vast majority of artists out there. As such, I have never visited their fan sites. Yet, some people here have made bashing Prince part of their daily grind. Who does that?

These same people who constantly bash him still listen to albums, watch and listen to bootlegs, read concert reviews, etc. only to tear them and the people who enjoy them apart. What is so funny about these Prince bashers is that they are the sources of some of the most inaccurate information that I have seen. Some of them would have you believe that the W2C shows were a complete disaster; that Prince has lost it; that he just took everyone’s money; that people stormed out; booed, etc. These are some of the same people who predicted that half the arena would be empty and that he wouldn’t be able to do multiple dates in Chicago. Because he proved them wrong, they attempted to mislead folks about what really happened. Thank God I was there. I know what happened at every event.

Actually, if one ventures outside the warped minds of some of these “Prince fans,” you will find that people cannot stop talking about the shows – in a good way. I live in Chicago and people keep telling me how much fun that had at the shows. I went to Ticketmaster to read reviews from people who actually bought tickets and attended the shows, and most of the reviews were between 4 and 5 stars for all the shows. There were several 1 to 3 star votes for Monday’s shows, but overall the reviews were very good. Some of the very things that people complained about on this site were listed as favorite moments by reviewers on Ticketmaster. Yet, some Prince “fans” are still drenching folks in the same old tired bitter downpour that they have been spewing for the last 10 years.

Like I said, it is completely healthy and normal to disagree with things that he does and to share an honest, rational critique or opinion about his music, concerts, style, related artists, etc. It can be a lot of fun to share different perspectives on an artist that people have a shared appreciation for. After all that is what “fans” of an artist do. However, some Prince “fans” have strayed so far left of right that they need an intervention. If you are over Prince, then be over him. It’s cool. However, what reason do you have for still following him only to constantly bash him? Seriously, you need to look into the mirror and ask yourself what compels you to spend so much of your time and energy on someone you cannot stand? If the Prince train has reached its final destination for you, leave the station. After seeing the reactions to the W2C shows, one thing I know is that someone else will gladly take your seat. So, why not go spend your time and energy an artist that you respect and appreciate? It’s ok. To quote another Orger, “You look better gone.”

[Edited 10/2/12 11:24am]

CAN I GET AN AMEN! One of the first thing i noticed on this forum, is the large amount of negativity, it's like why they even come here in the first place, I was soo dissapointed in this site, and how these so called fans carried themselves. I expected admiration and respect for this AMAZING artist, and all I saw was selfish people, wanting his kidney! because nothing is ever good enough...thanks for this post, I hope people read this, and bring back the positivity in this forum. And yes we all are entitled to our opinion, but constant negativity shows selfishness and bitterness, which is not tolerable at all!

SynthiaRose said:

Rules are against the Uptown ethos.

Now where I come from
We don't give a damn
We do whatever we please
It ain't about no downtown
Nowhere bound
Narrow-minded drag
It's all about being free
Everybody's going Uptown