Thanx, Bellanoche and FreakerFantastic,I couldn't have put it better myself. I've been out of love with P for most of the 2000s (it was the North Sea Jazz Festival last year that brought me back) and so I wasn't on this site. I went to discover other music. So yeah, why waste your time if you don't like the music anymore?
And what of those like you and Bart whose sole purpose is to criticize of a supposed faded and forgotten diva? Thats whats pathetic (and dangerous) because at least the artist is known a one of the greats and many folks still praise classic artists such as The Stones, Stevie, U2 etc. regardless of their current standing. But to follow them to berate, moan, and criticize: not mentally sound.
And you read the opening post as well.
And a Chapmanesque accusation is quite apt. Ask Selenas family etc etc etc. Folks can comment on others behavior in aggression like you calling people 'fuckers' etc for years and Barts continual belittling of others but one can't comment on how he/you/your ilk come across?
Pussies.
First off, I make about 20 posts a year, this place is now officially overrun by drooling non-thinkers. A perfect example is your slowwitted post. Yes, critical thinking isdangerous. Oh my god, everyone! Bart’s got an opinion! BURN HIM! I take it you belong to some conservative party where that type of thinking is gospel, so I’ll give you a pass (for the slow-bus).
I can't relate to your batshit slanderous Selana or Champan comparisons because unlike yourself and the rest of the org obsessives, I've got a life to live, and it's not one that involves spending the day talking about a man who hasn't been relevant since 1987.
Here's a life to go with that slow-bus ticket.
And every mod that reads this knows damn well if Bart compared someone to Mark Chapman he’d get a warning. Fucking pathetic.
You can stop the trolls, flame throwers, haters... You can only hope to ignore them, lol.
Anyway, there are a lot of people who spend their entire days here... posting everywhere. What gives them the right to do so? Freedom. Exactly the same thing that gives Prince to do whatever he does, which ironically... the haters seem to be intolerate of
Folks do it in associated artists forum towards every protege.
Those spewing negativity could be trolls or just wanting a flame fest maybe.
Everything cannot be all positive. Got to take the positive with the negative.
I'm sure other artists get bashed on other sites as well in net land.
What's new?
I can agree with you that it takes all types to make the world go 'round. I also fully acknowledge that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that opinion will not always be agreeable with whatever Prince is doing. That's perfectly fair. I think that what bellanoche is getting at is not a question of positive vs. negative or likes/dislikes. I think there is a segment of Orgers that constantly spew hateful remarks at a discussion just because they are probably dreadful individuals who have nothing better to do. There are some people who have never said one nice (or even peaceable) thing to anyone on any thread in the two years I've been a member. And yes, that is yet another unfortunate trait of any fan site.
But there is a point to what bellanoche is saying. Take Madonna for instance. You will not find me anywhere near a Madonna fan site. I like several of her songs, but I don't have an even moderate regard for her as an artist. I thought everyone who spent $375 to see her in concert truly needed medication. However, when she was in Chicago (just days before Prince), I did not log on to the Madonna fan site and post message after message about what I can't stand about her. She just doesn't mean that much to my life. So one does kind of wonder--if you really can't stand much of what Prince does, what would draw you to a Prince fan site? It's a reasonable question.
Sorry but how is taking the opinions of four, possibly five people a reflection on a segment of Orgers who spew negative comments? Making personal assessments on people who are free to say whatever they want is pretty jacked, too.
I've said it before and will say it again, some of you choose to dwell in what you perceive to be negativity on this site. That's on you. If you ignore people who you believe are negative and those people are trolls, then they'll go away.
"Having gone to all three W2C shows, all three Purple After Jams, and the Andy Allo listening party..."
"As a teacher of critical thinking..."
"As a teacher and journalist..."
In other words, "I am smarter than all of you, so just shut up."
Well, you know what? I happen to be an award-winning (former) journalist. I've been a professional writer for 30 years. I studied music (seriously) for a decade. I've been a Prince fan since 1980 (and I was already a grown-up then - not some kid listening to her parents' records on the sly). And I have seen numerous Prince concerts, dating back to 1984. As such, my opinion is every bit as valid as yours - however much you might dislike it, personally.
In defending Prince, you, yourself, turned into the hater. Superior? I think not.
Wow. This must have really hit a nerve with you. There is a difference from having opinion and just being completely negative. We all know there are people on this site that act as if Prince is the devil. that is entirely different then disliking certain songs, albums, etc. I don't think the OP was alluding to someone like you.
The OP is being passive agressive and instead of hashing it out with whomever she has a problem with, she's painting with broad strokes. Who knows? Genesia's less than glowing reviews in the Concerts Forum could be one of the people this person is talking about.
I suggest people go read those posts themselves. I see one, maybe two people in the hundreds of posts on the Chicago shows being overly negative and even then, if that is the way they feel, so what?
And if you guys have a problem with trolls, keep giving them their shine. They'll never go away.
Wow. This must have really hit a nerve with you. There is a difference from having opinion and just being completely negative. We all know there are people on this site that act as if Prince is the devil. that is entirely different then disliking certain songs, albums, etc. I don't think the OP was alluding to someone like you.
The OP is being passive agressive and instead of hashing it out with whomever she has a problem with, she's painting with broad strokes. Who knows? Genesia's less than glowing reviews in the Concerts Forum could be one of the people this person is talking about.
I suggest people go read those posts themselves. I see one, maybe two people in the hundreds of posts on the Chicago shows being overly negative and even then, if that is the way they feel, so what?
And if you guys have a problem with trolls, keep giving them their shine. They'll never go away.
Thank you - and, yes, they are.
It isn't all about just this one thread.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
And what of those like you and Bart whose sole purpose is to criticize of a supposed faded and forgotten diva? Thats whats pathetic (and dangerous) because at least the artist is known a one of the greats and many folks still praise classic artists such as The Stones, Stevie, U2 etc. regardless of their current standing. But to follow them to berate, moan, and criticize: not mentally sound.
And you read the opening post as well.
And a Chapmanesque accusation is quite apt. Ask Selenas family etc etc etc. Folks can comment on others behavior in aggression like you calling people 'fuckers' etc for years and Barts continual belittling of others but one can't comment on how he/you/your ilk come across?
Pussies.
First off, I make about 20 posts a year, this place is now officially overrun by drooling non-thinkers. A perfect example is your slowwitted post. Yes, critical thinking isdangerous. Oh my god, everyone! Bart’s got an opinion! BURN HIM! I take it you belong to some conservative party where that type of thinking is gospel, so I’ll give you a pass (for the slow-bus).
I can't relate to your batshit slanderous Selana or Champan comparisons because unlike yourself and the rest of the org obsessives, I've got a life to live, and it's not one that involves spending the day talking about a man who hasn't been relevant since 1987.
Here's a life to go with that slow-bus ticket.
And every mod that reads this knows damn well if Bart compared someone to Mark Chapman he’d get a warning. Fucking pathetic.
Dont even try that "knows damn well" bs to gain sympathy etc. with mod decisions etc. Ive been called a lot of things wallace, but dimwitted? That's a new one. And you damn near called me a republican..now that should qualify a ban! Not saying its not apt either but dang. Anbd nobody is trying to burn Bart for having an opinion and you know this. It's for other reasons lol. Stop being negatively biased. You a grown man, stop acting like an aggressive bully.
By the way..it's quite telling that you come out of the woodwork for this thread and threads like it.
Don't act like you aren't lurking..just as obsessive as you claim others are.
And lastly, as I do in P&R: source. You keep mentioning these "people". For example, the only PERSON I saw mention the charity Prince was supporting is Genesia. And well, she doesn't have to like the charity he supported. But guess what? She went and supported the shows anyway. I think your preception and many others here are skewed.
She is a dear friend of mine and while I even volunteered for the charity and support what they stand for and am even a Van Jones fan, I am perfectly okay with my friend haveing a completely different view than I do.
I am also perfectly okay with those who feel that they deserve a refund for Monday's aftershow and not being satsified that he offered them a chance to see Wednesday's show. That's THEIR experience and their money so I don't get to tell them to suck it up even though I though it was cool of him to offer to do so.
And lastly, as I do in P&R: source. You keep mentioning these "people". For example, the only PERSON I saw mention the charity Prince was supporting is Genesia. And well, she doesn't have to like the charity he supported. But guess what? She went and supported the shows anyway. I think your preception and many others here are skewed.
She is a dear friend of mine and while I even volunteered for the charity and support what they stand for and am even a Van Jones fan, I am perfectly okay with my friend haveing a completely different view than I do.
I am also perfectly okay with those who feel that they deserve a refund for Monday's aftershow and not being satsified that he offered them a chance to see Wednesday's show. That's THEIR experience and their money so I don't get to tell them to suck it up even though I though it was cool of him to offer to do so.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Dont even try that "knows damn well" bs to gain sympathy etc. with mod decisions etc. Ive been called a lot of things wallace, but dimwitted? That's a new one. And you damn near called me a republican..now that should qualify a ban! Not saying its not apt either but dang. Anbd nobody is trying to burn Bart for having an opinion and you know this. It's for other reasons lol. Stop being negatively biased. You a grown man, stop acting like an aggressive bully.
By the way..it's quite telling that you come out of the woodwork for this thread and threads like it.
Don't act like you aren't lurking..just as obsessive as you claim others are.
The only bullies here are people trying to silence Bart or anyone with a brain by comparing them to MURDERERS. Someone says something you don't like? Well, just use the rdhull tactic of aligning them with some violent fringe lunatic and be done with it. You've got a distorted, partisan, vision of reality. Remind you of a certain party in American politics? All the same, I accept your apology.
And I check in between 5-10 times a month, but you're really out of touch if you think this place is a daily habit.
PS - I found you a new avatar. Here's a guy who also loved to make personal attacks on anyone who had a differing world view than him:
Hilariously embarrassing thread. I can't believe someone cares SO MUCH about someone else's opinion on music. It's not like someone is taking your shit away. You just don't want ANYONE TO EVER SAY a bad thing about OL PRINCEY.
Talk about Fatal Attraction. Get on your knees and beg for remasters once more! Don't forget the boiling rabbit, either.
Hilariously embarrassing thread. I can't believe someone cares SO MUCH about someone else's opinion on music. It's not like someone is taking your shit away. You just don't want ANYONE TO EVER SAY a bad thing about OL PRINCEY.
Talk about Fatal Attraction. Get on your knees and beg for remasters once more! Don't forget the boiling rabbit, either.
Dont even try that "knows damn well" bs to gain sympathy etc. with mod decisions etc. Ive been called a lot of things wallace, but dimwitted? That's a new one. And you damn near called me a republican..now that should qualify a ban! Not saying its not apt either but dang. Anbd nobody is trying to burn Bart for having an opinion and you know this. It's for other reasons lol. Stop being negatively biased. You a grown man, stop acting like an aggressive bully.
By the way..it's quite telling that you come out of the woodwork for this thread and threads like it.
Don't act like you aren't lurking..just as obsessive as you claim others are.
The only bullies here are people trying to silence Bart or anyone with a brain by comparing them to MURDERERS. Someone says something you don't like? Well, just use the rdhull tactic of aligning them with some violent fringe lunatic and be done with it. You've got a distorted, partisan, vision of reality. Remind you of a certain party in American politics? All the same, I accept your apology.
And I check in between 5-10 times a month, but you're really out of touch if you think this place is a daily habit.
PS - I found you a new avatar. Here's a guy who also loved to make personal attacks on anyone who had a differing world view than him:
Aye but on the real yo (lol)..wall you need to apologize to me for calling me a republican and Cheney.
Thats crossing the line. Ill even admit that Bart has actually become endearing to me over the years but the Cheney Republican thing? Everyone knows how I feel about that.
And it has to be publicly and not by orgnote for all to see.
This is like the robots who follow Obama--you have to love everything about Barry or you are a hater or worse, a racist.
Prince does the same tired tours and hasn't had a classic song in years. This is not up for debate--listen to the old songs, no contest. When I say new I mean anything after 1998. The period after gets middling.
He had great live moments, but lately he has regressed back into a hits artist who dumbs down his artistry for fame.
The love should come from him not us. Then there's the fact that we cannot afford to see him live--not that we'd want to.
Daft I know but the demise of Prince's career, ability and energy is linked intrinsically to my own life. Him growing older is a sign of me growing older. It brings us closer to the final day and further from our childhood memories. It's easy to dwell on the downside of that.
I'm going to stop now as I have no idea where I am going with this (as usual) ..
Beautiful. Not daft at all. That's the power of art. People have symbiotic relationships with the art (and artist) and that's why it is so personal and intense.
This is like the robots who follow Obama--you have to love everything about Barry or you are a hater or worse, a racist.
Prince does the same tired tours and hasn't had a classic song in years. This is not up for debate--listen to the old songs, no contest. When I say new I mean anything after 1998. The period after gets middling.
He had great live moments, but lately he has regressed back into a hits artist who dumbs down his artistry for fame.
The love should come from him not us. Then there's the fact that we cannot afford to see him live--not that we'd want to.
He's over.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
There are a handful of posters on this site that should be banned. Rational criticism is okay, but not managing to express yourself in any other way than describing everything Prince has done during the last 10-15 years as utterly worthless is not rational criticism. Making comments like that just proves that one isn't capable of critical thinking (no, calling things "shit" on a constant basis doesn't qualify as that).
I post on several other music sites (artists, music styles, gear) and if you have nothing else to contribute to those communities than some sort of knee jerk reactions and constantly derail the threads with your posts you'll get banned on those. It's trolling in the original definition of the word and detrimental to the discussions themselves. Although it must be said that the banned individuals tend to come back under different aliases.
There are a handful of posters on this site that should be banned. Rational criticism is okay, but not managing to express yourself in any other way than describing everything Prince has done during the last 10-15 years as utterly worthless is not rational criticism. Making comments like that just proves that one isn't capable of critical thinking (no, calling things "shit" on a constant basis doesn't qualify as that).
I post on several other music sites (artists, music styles, gear) and if you have nothing else to contribute to those communities than some sort of knee jerk reactions and constantly derail the threads with your posts you'll get banned on those. It's trolling in the original definition of the word and detrimental to the discussions themselves. Although it must be said that the banned individuals tend to come back under different aliases.
Here's a medal for the most pathetic post on the internet.
If your day is hampered by people bickering on the internet, especially the org, I can only imagine how much three-dimensional objects must trip you up in real life.
Yes, people should be banned for having contrary opinions to esteemed poster novabrkr.
Either grow a pair or log out if you can't handle a thread about everyone's favorite has-been. Jesus Christ. Why does everyone immediately turn into a fascist when they run out of things to say?
That was a very well-written post! In fact, I believe I would call it superior to 99% of the posts on this site!
Pay no attention to the haters - either those of Prince or you. They are trolls. Nothing more, nothing less. You'd be hard-pressed to ever find a positive word written by any of them, about anything.
If you have to acknowledge them, be it only to laugh at them.
This.
Agree. Funny how so many of the knee-jerk responses to OP's post seem to bear out the truth in it.
When I go to Prince shows, I'm always amazed at the amount of positive energy there, and the feeling of connection that seems to unite such a diverse group of fans. I don't love every thing the guy does, but I'm still surprised by the level of anger and vitriol that is frequently expressed on the org. I mean, why bother?
Agree. Funny how so many of the knee-jerk responses to OP's post seem to bear out the truth in it.
When I go to Prince shows, I'm always amazed at the amount of positive energy there, and the feeling of connection that seems to unite such a diverse group of fans. I don't love every thing the guy does, but I'm still surprised by the level of anger and vitriol that is frequently expressed on the org. I mean, why bother?
Who's angry? Only the drooling followers of Dear Leader are worked up.
The most pathetic part about this thread is that it's in its billionth incarnation. This is like org auto-pilot to piss away an afternoon.
Prince still brings the goods live, so long as you can stand a greatest hits show, so I don't see why you're surprised at the energy levels you find at his concerts. Sounds like you've got some hater in you. Gonna keep an eye on your future posts, make sure you don't start spouting off opinions.
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