TylerHippie said:

aardvark15 said:

If later is never than yep I will

Cool...

I love that song, I love it when Prince performs it live

TylerHippie said:

bunnyscotcooper said:

Yo, stop giving this instigator the time of day. I thought Tyler Hippie was kind of interesting , but not anymore, he's getting trite and ingratiating. All this hipster talk about what's mainstream. Save yourselves. I am not trying to be mean here, even though I did call T.H. some names, but really though, calm down with these threads that rile up Prince fans like you are an authority on music (only 3 years worth of authority). I have recently got into Prince after I could find that sexy bitch's music online FINALLY (after 3 years of searching for it), and even know not to put my personal preference at the forefront of other more experience people's preferences. Yes, I don't like Purple Rain that much more than Thriller because I LOOOVE MJ and have as far back as I can remember, but I still love Prince and respect the more experienced fanbase enough not to make a thread to diss their main-man's Magnus Opus. Purple Rain is great and its mainstream appeal adds to its greatness, does not take away from it. NOW, I just had to say that.

I swear that's my favorite statement in this reply.

I'm not trying to sound mean, but until the mods complain, I'm going to keep posting threads...dig?

You should continue to DIG a hole for yourself, you're just a polemic and a heretical Prince fan.

I think this is just a phase for you Tyler but no way Purple Rain album is "too mainstream"

Prince was way too weird to make a classic pop album.

Let's analyze it a bit.

Title song of the album is more then 8 minutes long.songs built for radio are 3:30 aproximetly.

It is very hard to make a long song that will keep

average listener's attention.

Purple Rain(song) is commercial as Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

Both songs could have been big hits or big miss but it worked

When Doves Cry have no bass line.maybe it sounds cool today but

it sure was crazy to make a song like that with no bass line

and very minimalistic arangement.

Darling Nikki is like garage rock with lyrics that risks ever to be played on the radion ,yet it was in a

mainstream Hollywood movie.

The Beautiful Ones sound like no other song before.Is it a balad? rock? soul? can we describe it?

no formula songwritting here.

Computer Blue is a weird song with crazy intro after which it launches into hybrid of Funk and Rock,but definetly no commercial song.

Only Take me With You ,Baby I'm a Star and I Would Die 4 u are aimed to be a mainstream stuff in a classic way.

I never thought Prince aimed Purple Rain to be a commercial,

i just think Prince got lucky,it was his time for a little bit of Glory.

Compare Purple Rain with other top albums of the time like

Madonna's Like A Virgin or Bruce Springsteen's Born In the Usa.

Compared to those two Purple Rain sounds weird as shit.

I think Prince followed his muse and he didn't make compromises in music until the end of 80's decade.

He didn't give a damn about anybody and created his

craft the way he was seeing it .

little trivia :WB suits didn't want to release Kiss as a

single they said to Prince:this is not a single,this is a demo where is the reverb,but Prince was like either that or nothing.

Same case with Purple Rain it is way too filled with

screaming guitars,vocal and guitar echoes,minimalistic,

groundbreaking music to be a classic mainstream like other popular acts of the time.

It was just a lucky coincidence that the taste of

general public was leaning toward something

more on the left side of the mainstream.

p.s.

Purple Rain to my ears still sounds fresh,great production,

great songwriting.

It sounded like a natural progression after 1999 showing

Prince growing as a song writer.

And if there was a list of 100 weirdest best charting albums of popular music Purple Rain would be somewhere in the top

bunnyscotcooper said:

TylerHippie said:

I swear that's my favorite statement in this reply.

I'm not trying to sound mean, but until the mods complain, I'm going to keep posting threads...dig?

You should continue to DIG a hole for yourself, you're just a polemic and a heretical Prince fan.

I'll take your advice.

TylerHippie said:

bunnyscotcooper said:

You should continue to DIG a hole for yourself, you're just a polemic and a heretical Prince fan.

I'll take your advice.

[Edited 8/15/11 9:11am]

bunnyscotcooper said:

TylerHippie said:

I'll take your advice.

Nice to know I got through to you.

I'm being sarcastic ahaha I'm not going to change for no one...dig?

TylerHippie said:

Gohi said:

TylerHippie said: You can like whatever you want but it's lame to justify it ith statements like this... [Edited 8/14/11 14:38pm]

How

You should like an album because the songs and sequencing move you more than any of his others, not because it's "underground" or kooky shit like that.

Gohi said:

TylerHippie said:

How

You should like an album because the songs and sequencing move you more than any of his others, not because it's "underground" or kooky shit like that.

I like all the albums I named because of the songs. I dig them. I perfer Around The World In A Day over any classic Prince album, for the simple fact that I love the music on that album. It's just so happen that my top 5 Prince albums are his underdog albums.

I love this album. Every note of it (and the 12" versions, b-sides and unreleased stuff) is part of my being. I get in a Purple Rain mood a couple times a year and listen to pretty much all of it, same as I've done with whatever I had of it since 1984. But honestly, I don't listen to Prince that much in general. I listen to a HUGE amount of music on a VERY regular basis and Prince probably comprises 2% (likely even less) of the total. It helps that I've listened to damn near everything and don't really care about every new live bootleg. But generally speaking I don't get the "I listen to Prince, just Prince and ONLY Prince". I've never done that. The world is filled with too much great music to limit yourself that much.

Gohi said:

TylerHippie said:

How

You should like an album because the songs and sequencing move you more than any of his others, not because it's "underground" or kooky shit like that.

I love PR's sequencing btw.

Timmy84 said:

Gohi said:

You should like an album because the songs and sequencing move you more than any of his others, not because it's "underground" or kooky shit like that.

I love PR's sequencing btw.

Yep. I even agree with the edits that were done to make it a single album. .... although I could do without Apps all up on Take Me With U. I always thought she sounded like shit, even back then.

Let's Go Crazy is not quite your typical 80s pop rock song.

802 said:

Let's Go Crazy is not quite your typical 80s pop rock song.

Nothing about that album was typical at that time. Just because it sold a bunch of copies doesn't mean it was "mainstream". If anything, it changed the mainstream, made the mainstream come to it.

I'm not trying to disagree with you guys opinions but you guys really don't think Purple Rain is too mainstream?

Look at it like this:

For You - Wasn't quite known

Prince - Had a buzz

Dirty Mind - A bigger buzz

Controversy - Making a name for himself

1999 - Just getting his foot in the door

Purple Rain - Mega star, all the bandwagoners come, everyone loves Prince

Around The World In A Day - were are all the bandwagoners? his fanbase is back to the Controversy/1999 fanbase

So you see what I'm saying? Around The World In A Day wasn't mainstream. If you ask a random person about Prince, first thing that comes to their mind is proabaly Purple Rain.

TylerHippie said:

I'm not trying to disagree with you guys opinions but you guys really don't think Purple Rain is too mainstream?

Look at it like this:

For You - Wasn't quite known

Prince - Had a buzz

Dirty Mind - A bigger buzz

Controversy - Making a name for himself

1999 - Just getting his foot in the door

Purple Rain - Mega star, all the bandwagoners come, everyone loves Prince

Around The World In A Day - were are all the bandwagoners? his fanbase is back to the Controversy/1999 fanbase

So you see what I'm saying? Around The World In A Day wasn't mainstream. If you ask a random person about Prince, first thing that comes to their mind is proabaly Purple Rain.

i believe the point theyre trying to make is that purple rain wasnt mainstream, the mainstream became purple rain

Honestly, I don't see what you're saying. And I'm not one of those sychophants who believes everything Prince does is "genius" and "perfect" and all that. I lived Purple Rain, and I knew of Prince from 1999 before PR was released. Trust those of us who were there when we say Prince changed popular music with Purple Rain. Mainstream, to me, is when somebody sets out to make an album that fits in with what is popular at the time. Something that is not challenging, or different. Lady fucking Gaga is mainstream (regardless of how stupid her clothing may be). There was nothing like Purple Rain before Purple Rain, and if you think there was, you're just wrong. Sorry.

Cerebus said:

Honestly, I don't see what you're saying. And I'm not one of those sychophants who believes everything Prince does is "genius" and "perfect" and all that. I lived Purple Rain, and I knew of Prince from 1999 before PR was released. Trust those of us who were there when we say Prince changed popular music with Purple Rain. Mainstream, to me, is when somebody sets out to make an album that fits in with what is popular at the time. Something that is not challenging, or different. Lady fucking Gaga is mainstream (regardless of how stupid her clothing may be). There was nothing like Purple Rain before Purple Rain, and if you think there was, you're just wrong. Sorry.

Well Prince did set out to win Grammys with Purple Rain. So his mind state was make an album that appeal to everyone. And the songs he recoreded, was excellent enough to get him those Grammys.

So it kinda was mainstream. This is my opinion, so please don't attack me ahaha

its really dumb to not like something just because its mainstream. unless its mainstream and also horrible. but clearly thats not the case here



you can always listen to purple rain alone quietly and not tell anyone you're listening to it. that way you can pretend its underground

uuhson said:

its really dumb to not like something just because its mainstream. unless its mainstream and also horrible. but clearly thats not the case here



you can always listen to purple rain alone quietly and not tell anyone you're listening to it. that way you can pretend its underground

I never said I hated the album....

I said I barely listen to it because it makes me feel like a fake fan, because it's to mainstream.

TylerHippie said:

Cerebus said:

Honestly, I don't see what you're saying. And I'm not one of those sychophants who believes everything Prince does is "genius" and "perfect" and all that. I lived Purple Rain, and I knew of Prince from 1999 before PR was released. Trust those of us who were there when we say Prince changed popular music with Purple Rain. Mainstream, to me, is when somebody sets out to make an album that fits in with what is popular at the time. Something that is not challenging, or different. Lady fucking Gaga is mainstream (regardless of how stupid her clothing may be). There was nothing like Purple Rain before Purple Rain, and if you think there was, you're just wrong. Sorry.

Well Prince did set out to win Grammys with Purple Rain. So his mind state was make an album that appeal to everyone. And the songs he recoreded, was excellent enough to get him those Grammys.

So it kinda was mainstream. This is my opinion, so please don't attack me ahaha

did he really plan on getting 2 grammys? that seems like an oddly specific plan

uuhson said:

TylerHippie said:

Well Prince did set out to win Grammys with Purple Rain. So his mind state was make an album that appeal to everyone. And the songs he recoreded, was excellent enough to get him those Grammys.

So it kinda was mainstream. This is my opinion, so please don't attack me ahaha

did he really plan on getting 2 grammys? that seems like an oddly specific plan

I don't know about two grammys, but bobby z or somebody said Prince saw MJ sweep the Grammys, and he wanted to do the same the next year.

Tyler, you shouldnt stop listening to something based on how other people who perceive you or how "uncool" you'll look

[Edited 8/14/11 23:14pm]

TylerHippie said:

Cerebus said:

Honestly, I don't see what you're saying. And I'm not one of those sychophants who believes everything Prince does is "genius" and "perfect" and all that. I lived Purple Rain, and I knew of Prince from 1999 before PR was released. Trust those of us who were there when we say Prince changed popular music with Purple Rain. Mainstream, to me, is when somebody sets out to make an album that fits in with what is popular at the time. Something that is not challenging, or different. Lady fucking Gaga is mainstream (regardless of how stupid her clothing may be). There was nothing like Purple Rain before Purple Rain, and if you think there was, you're just wrong. Sorry.

Well Prince did set out to win Grammys with Purple Rain. So his mind state was make an album that appeal to everyone. And the songs he recoreded, was excellent enough to get him those Grammys.

So it kinda was mainstream. This is my opinion, so please don't attack me ahaha

Regardless of how it comes across online I have rarely EVER attacked anyone here. An opinion passionately articulated, even one that results in a heated argument, does not equal an attack. Plus, its never personal with me. We can verbally spar and have a good laugh the next day.

However, I do disagree with you. To begin with, I'm not sure where you get that he set out to win Grammys. Regardless, there are plenty of Grammys (especially prior to the late 90s) that went to very un-mainstream albums. It used to be somewhat the norm that they were awarded for, ya know, actual artistic merit. Also, how does winning a Grammy suddenly make something bad? How does being underground make something good? I still say if you lived it it would make more sense. You're looking at it in hindsight as "Prince's biggest selling album", "Prince's most popular era", and those things are true. But at the time, when it was happening, that simply wasn't the case. It was new, fresh, groundbreaking and unique.

formallypickles said:

Tyler, you should stop listening to something based on how other people who perceive you or how "uncool" you'll look

Shouldn't? or Should?

TylerHippie said:

formallypickles said:

Tyler, you should stop listening to something based on how other people who perceive you or how "uncool" you'll look

Shouldn't? or Should?

shouldnt.. just made an edit

I guess you are the only one

bunnyscotcooper said:

TylerHippie said:

I swear that's my favorite statement in this reply.

I'm not trying to sound mean, but until the mods complain, I'm going to keep posting threads...dig?

You should continue to DIG a hole for yourself, you're just a polemic and a heretical Prince fan.

Not to defend TH, but 2/3 of the posters here are polemic and, to that end, defend that behavior to a hilt. See: General Discussion.

Cerebus said:

TylerHippie said:

Well Prince did set out to win Grammys with Purple Rain. So his mind state was make an album that appeal to everyone. And the songs he recoreded, was excellent enough to get him those Grammys.

So it kinda was mainstream. This is my opinion, so please don't attack me ahaha

Regardless of how it comes across online I have rarely EVER attacked anyone here. An opinion passionately articulated, even one that results in a heated argument, does not equal an attack. Plus, its never personal with me. We can verbally spar and have a good laugh the next day.

However, I do disagree with you. To begin with, I'm not sure where you get that he set out to win Grammys. Regardless, there are plenty of Grammys (especially prior to the late 90s) that went to very un-mainstream albums. It used to be somewhat the norm that they were awarded for, ya know, actual artistic merit. Also, how does winning a Grammy suddenly make something bad? How does being underground make something good? I still say if you lived it it would make more sense. You're looking at it in hindsight as "Prince's biggest selling album", "Prince's most popular era", and those things are true. But at the time, when it was happening, that simply wasn't the case. It was new, fresh, groundbreaking and unique.

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I don't know. Maybe I can't explain it the way I see it. Ya know?

Like no matter how good the songs were, at the end of the day the album was mainstream to me. How come Around The World In A Day wasn't recieved like Purple Rain? ATWIAD has just as many inovative songs.

formallypickles said:

TylerHippie said:

Shouldn't? or Should?

shouldnt.. just made an edit

I wasn't a big fan of Purple Rain when I became a Prince fan, so people don't really affect me listening to that album.