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Thread started 03/09/11 1:40pm

donatello

Prince on madonna's."Like a Prayer" album

I know they did,"Not a Love Song", but I heard he contributed, random guitar parts, only one was used at the begininng of the titile single. I also heard thy used the rest for "Act of Contrition"??

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Reply #1 posted 03/09/11 1:51pm

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I'm quite sure that Prince's only contribution to the Like A Prayer album was "Love Song."

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Reply #2 posted 03/09/11 2:02pm

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From Princevault:

Like A Prayer is the fourth studio album by American singer and musician Madonna, and her first and only to include input by Prince. The album contained Love Song (a duet with Prince), which is his only credited contribution to the album. Prince also plays guitar (uncredited) on Keep It Together and Act Of Contrition (which he also produced, and, in essence, created). In addition, Prince contributed a guitar solo to Like A Prayer which was edited out of the album version (which features no input by Prince), but is included on a version released on the Like A Prayer maxi-single.

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Reply #3 posted 03/09/11 2:07pm

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Efan said:

From Princevault:

Like A Prayer is the fourth studio album by American singer and musician Madonna, and her first and only to include input by Prince. The album contained Love Song (a duet with Prince), which is his only credited contribution to the album. Prince also plays guitar (uncredited) on Keep It Together and Act Of Contrition (which he also produced, and, in essence, created). In addition, Prince contributed a guitar solo to Like A Prayer which was edited out of the album version (which features no input by Prince), but is included on a version released on the Like A Prayer maxi-single.

Thank you, i never knew of those contributions, it still will not make me buy the album though. lol

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Reply #4 posted 03/09/11 2:08pm

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http://prince.org/msg/7/128087?pr/

Here's a previous thread with a Madonna interview in which she confirms Prince's contribution on 'Act of Contrition' and 'Keep It Together'

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Reply #5 posted 03/09/11 5:08pm

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If you want to hear Prince on the song Like A Prayer... you need to get ahold of the "Remixed Prayers" CD. The 12" Club Version has him on Keyboards & Guitar, and the 12" Extended Mix has him on Guitar, including the solo that they edited out of the LP Version. Act of Contrition is mainly made up of backwards parts of the Club Version. There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.


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Reply #6 posted 03/09/11 7:15pm

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also the 7" Version (not one of the maxi-mixes) includes some of Prince's guitar work on the fade-out.

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Reply #7 posted 03/09/11 10:36pm

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There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.

Which is very interesting, as The Black Album was cancelled back in 1989, when Like A Prayer was released !!

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Reply #8 posted 03/09/11 11:02pm

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Have to hear these
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Reply #9 posted 03/10/11 1:43am

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smokeverbs said:

If you want to hear Prince on the song Like A Prayer... you need to get ahold of the "Remixed Prayers" CD. The "Westside" Mix has him on Keyboards & Guitar, and the "Extended Mix" has him on Guitar, including the solo that they edited out of the LP Version. Act of Contrition is mainly made up of backwards parts of the Westside Mix. There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.

Nice info.

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Reply #10 posted 03/10/11 4:22am

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[Edited 3/10/11 4:24am]
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Reply #11 posted 03/10/11 4:23am

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xenophobia2002 said:



smokeverbs said:


There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.



Which is very interesting, as The Black Album was cancelled back in 1987, when Like A Prayer was released !!




There you go.

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Reply #12 posted 03/10/11 5:10am

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Thanks! It doesn't happen so often anymore...but occassionally on here I learn something interesting and new. wink

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Reply #13 posted 03/10/11 9:50am

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smokeverbs said:

There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.

I just downloaded the remix versions, cool to hear the Bob George sample. "Dub beats" sound totally Prince

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Reply #14 posted 03/10/11 11:17am

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robertlove said:

smokeverbs said:

There is also a promo mix out there called "Dub Beats" which has instrumentation from Prince, and a sample from Bob George.

I just downloaded the remix versions, cool to hear the Bob George sample. "Dub beats" sound totally Prince

I just downloaded these remixes too, and i agree that the "Dub Beats" version is pure Prince in sound.

I'm not a Madonna fan, but this shit is funky.

And thanks again to everyone for the info.

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Reply #15 posted 03/10/11 9:33pm

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Not a Madonna fan and the Prince song was a weak one, notable only because of the presence of the two megastars. However, Like A Prayer is the most artistic album of a person who is much maligned for their actual talent, the album is the closest Ive heard of Madonna of which you could call her an "artist" not juist a pop star.

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Reply #16 posted 03/10/11 10:31pm

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mozfonky said:

Not a Madonna fan and the Prince song was a weak one, notable only because of the presence of the two megastars. However, Like A Prayer is the most artistic album of a person who is much maligned for their actual talent, the album is the closest Ive heard of Madonna of which you could call her an "artist" not juist a pop star.

have you heard Erotica, Ray of Light or American Life?

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Reply #17 posted 03/10/11 11:08pm

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errant said:

mozfonky said:

Not a Madonna fan and the Prince song was a weak one, notable only because of the presence of the two megastars. However, Like A Prayer is the most artistic album of a person who is much maligned for their actual talent, the album is the closest Ive heard of Madonna of which you could call her an "artist" not juist a pop star.

have you heard Erotica, Ray of Light or American Life?

no, wroter Madonna off after a point, but that album was great. The whole shock/image stuff put me off. How much credit should go to her for the music? I don't even know.

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Reply #18 posted 03/10/11 11:48pm

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no, wroter Madonna off after a point, but that album was great. The whole shock/image stuff put me off. How much credit should go to her for the music? I don't even know.

Well it's not like you have to pay attention at the image and the controversy while listening to the music. That's what the fans of a certain passed away artist always said.

However, you're not far off that LAP is different from the rest of her work, it's probably her only album when she wasn't "chasing" a sound (except, ironically, "Love Song") and just quickly put together a personal album that was based on real instruments. Then "Vogue" came and blew LAP away in terms of success and then Madonna and Warner started to focus on the beats and the producers, I can see why that was a turn off for many though. LAP is also a one-off thing in its subject matter, outside "fame sucks", Madonna never really broke new ground in personal lyrics after that. Again, not an issue for me.

Anyway, I never really got why Prince didn't take credit for the other stuff like "Keep It Together" but for "Love Song" that sounds painfully out of place.

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Reply #19 posted 03/11/11 4:45am

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From Princevault:

Like A Prayer is the fourth studio album by American singer and musician Madonna, and her first and only to include input by Prince. The album contained Love Song (a duet with Prince), which is his only credited contribution to the album. Prince also plays guitar (uncredited) on Keep It Together and Act Of Contrition (which he also produced, and, in essence, created). In addition, Prince contributed a guitar solo to Like A Prayer which was edited out of the album version (which features no input by Prince), but is included on a version released on the Like A Prayer maxi-single.

No, he didn't contribute a guitar solo, he send her a tape of him playing wild guitar all over "Like A Prayer", and just a portion of it was used in one or two of the "Like A Prayer" remixes, and in "Act Of Contrition".

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Reply #20 posted 03/11/11 4:47am

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Isn't Prince listed as "The Power That Be" in one of the songs? hmmm

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Reply #21 posted 03/11/11 4:54am

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Harlepolis said:

Isn't Prince listed as "The Power That Be" in one of the songs? hmmm

Sigh... Is using bloody google that hard? PowerSSSSSSSS That Be. PLURAL. And Prince wasn't one of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ck_listing

http://prince.org/msg/7/128087

Taken From Songwriting Interview 1989:

Interviewer: You and Prince wrote "Love Song" together, which is a wonderful
song. Did you and he work together or did he give you a track?

Madonna: No, he didn't give me a track. We sat down and just started fooling
around. We had a lot of fun. What happened is that he played the drums and I
played the synthesizer and we came up with the original melody line; I just,
off the top of my head, started singing lyrics into the microphone. And then he
overdubbed some guitar stuff and made a loop of it and sent it to me, and then
I just started adding sections to it and singing parts to it. And then I sent
it back to him, and he'd sing a part to it and add another instrument and send
it back to me...it was like this sentence that turned into a paragraph that
turned into a little miniseries. So it was great. It was a completely different
way to work. And because of our schedules and everything, and he was in
Minnesota and he likes to work there and I like to work here. So we kind of
sent it back and forth. He's great. He's a real interesting...unique talent.

Interviewer: And it was an easy connection from the beginning for the two of
you?

Madonna: Yeah, it was. We started out being real admirers of each other's work.
And, you know, we're already successful so we didn't have to prove anything to
each other. We were on the same level. And I don't think he's had that same
opportunity with other people that he's worked with. Because generally he tends
to dominate everything.

Interviewer: "Act of Contrition," the closing track of Like a Prayer, has
backwards masking and other mysterious elements. Did he have anything to do
with that one as well? The credits only say, "Produced by the powers that be."

Madonna: Yeah, he did. He played guitar on it. He also played guitar on "Keep
it Together."

Interviewer: I noticed on "Act of Contrition" that you have the choir from
"Like a Prayer" reversed on that.

Madonna: Yeah, we turned the tape and played everything backwards.

Interviewer: Your idea?

Madonna: Yeah. And then, of course, the whole thing, the saying of the prayer
(on "Act of Contrition") and everything, that was totally conceived of in the
studio, in the control room. Pat put out a microphone, and I just started
fooling around; and that was free-form, too. Whatever was on my head. It's
totally unedited.

Oh look, Madonna actually talking about the track and destroying all the bullshit posted in this thread. Took me FIVE SECONDS to google. But hey, Prince fans can't be arsed with actual facts and actually listening to songs, no, they need to make up shit and then propagate that as truth. Seriously, do you guys and girls have this much eye for detail when doing your job? Or in school?

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Reply #22 posted 03/11/11 5:00am

Harlepolis

GEE WHIZ eek

It only takes a question to get one of you off disbelief

Thanks for the feedback, though.

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Reply #23 posted 03/11/11 5:03am

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Harlepolis said:

GEE WHIZ eek

It only takes a question to get one of you off disbelief

Thanks for the feedback, though.

Your entire comment was ONE short sentence, which contained TWO mistakes.

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Reply #24 posted 03/11/11 5:06am

Harlepolis

BartVanHemelen said:

Harlepolis said:

GEE WHIZ eek

It only takes a question to get one of you off disbelief

Thanks for the feedback, though.

Your entire comment was ONE short sentence, which contained TWO mistakes.

Yeah, I'm sure Armageddon is on the horizon. Forgive me, sire.

Relax rolleyes

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Reply #25 posted 03/11/11 5:13am

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Harlepolis said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Your entire comment was ONE short sentence, which contained TWO mistakes.

Yeah, I'm sure Armageddon is on the horizon. Forgive me, sire.

Relax rolleyes

lol

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Reply #26 posted 03/11/11 6:06am

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In another interview (no link, sorry, but it's online), Madonna explains that Prince was in a studio with her for Like a prayer and Keep it together: according to her he came, recorded his rhythm guitar part on KIT, then played "some weird shit" to be used on LAP or whatever Madonna wanted to use it with. Madonna and her producer didn't know what to do with it and managed to include it in some versions of LAP and in Act of contrition.

For the record, Princevault and many other sources are mistaken when they claim that Prince's guitar isn't at all in the album version, because even though the solo from the 7'' version and the parts from the other mixes are missing, OBVIOUSLY the short guitar intro is Prince's "weird shit" and as it's not a separate track, it's part of the album version, period.

Also, it is to be noted that Prince's parts have been taken out of ALL the remixes of KIT, and many remixes of LAP.

Wikipedia (French version: http://fr.wikipedia.org/w...)#Versions) also mention a "7' version With Fade" that lasts 5:05 but as i couldn't find ANY evidence of it anywhere else, i have doubts about its existence (?)

In the end, we have this when it comes to Prince/Madonna collaborations (from https://sites.google.com/...raphy/1989)

Madonna - Like A Prayer single (02/27)
- Like A Prayer - 5:19 (musician only) (alternate mix of the album version)
- Act Of Contrition - 2:19 (musician only) (album version, included in the Like A Prayer album in March)
- Like A Prayer (12'' Club Version) - 6:35 (musician only) (alternate mix of the album version)
- Like A Prayer (7'' Remix / Edit) - 5:41 (musician only) (alternate mix of the album version)
- Like A Prayer (12'' Extended Remix) - 7:23 (musician only) (alternate mix of the album version)

Madonna - Like A Prayer promo single (02/27)
- Like A Prayer (Dub Beats) - 4:39 (musician only) (alternate mix of the album version)

Madonna - Like A Prayer album (03/21)
- Like A Prayer - 5:41 (musician only)
- Love Song - 4:52
- Keep It Together - 5:03 (musician only)
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databank said:

For the record, Princevault and many other sources are mistaken when they claim that Prince's guitar isn't at all in the album version, because even though the solo from the 7'' version and the parts from the other mixes are missing, OBVIOUSLY the short guitar intro is Prince's "weird shit" and as it's not a separate track, it's part of the album version, period.

and why wouldn't the intro part to the album version be by the same person playing guitar in the rest of the album version?

I really don't see any justification to assume that the opening guitar burst on the album version is by Prince.

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Reply #28 posted 03/11/11 3:11pm

donatello

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I know they did,"Not a Love Song", but I heard he contributed, random guitar parts, only one was used at the begininng of the titile single. I also heard thy used the rest for "Act of Contrition"??

Thanks guys..I line in San francisco,so I'm usually able to find anything I want. I got the 12" vinyl today(the 1 with cover art by Chris Ciconne) for 5.99. They had the Dub beat edition(with photo of Madonna) for $30. I passed on that 1!

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errant said:

databank said:

For the record, Princevault and many other sources are mistaken when they claim that Prince's guitar isn't at all in the album version, because even though the solo from the 7'' version and the parts from the other mixes are missing, OBVIOUSLY the short guitar intro is Prince's "weird shit" and as it's not a separate track, it's part of the album version, period.

and why wouldn't the intro part to the album version be by the same person playing guitar in the rest of the album version?

I really don't see any justification to assume that the opening guitar burst on the album version is by Prince.

Because it's the same guitar played by the same dude, the sound of P's "weird shit" is VERY specific. I might be wrong but then somebody prove me wrong ^^

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