To hell with these lawsuits!!!

U show them who's tha man prince!!

littleredcorvette said:

To hell with these lawsuits!!!

U show them who's tha man prince!!

Perhaps there's a little misunderstanding... "Lawsuits at $50,000? I'll stick with my silk ones, they're not nearly as expensive."

[Edited 8/5/10 6:04am]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you and few others have commonsense but most on this board do not. They think the super wealthy sit around paying their own bills and opening their mail (duh) and they thing $50,000.00 is a lot of money to the super wealthy. They have no idea what is going on yet they all act as if P owes them money (LOL)

Only a super wealthy, wealthy, rich, and even just got a few dollars in their pocket...person...that is a damn fool, is not on top of their financial affairs! The expression, "a fool and his money are soon parted" was created for that very reason!

Speaking as a person that has followed Prince's career as long as I have, it stands to reason that Prince should damn well, KNOW BETTER than to trust, ALL of the complete aspects of HIS finances....on the day to day, week to week, as far as the month to month...to someone other than himself!

,” KNOW BETTER than to trust, ALL of the complete aspects of HIS finances....on the day to day, week to week, as far as the month to month...to someone other than himself!”

That would be good advice if you were making $50,000.00 a year but someone who is pulling down millions does not have the time and sometimes the albility to handle the money on their own.

You need a CPA or a business manager and you may need to hire someone to manage investments or properties you may own.

Unfortunatly, you got to then hire people to watch those people. Since the lawsuits that we know about are for such small amounts I am under the impression that who ever he has hired to pay t he bills has fallen down on the job.

[Edited 8/5/10 7:08am]

Mindflux said:

RodeoSchro said:

It's probably not, but now the public perception of Prince is that he doesn't pay his bills and get sued with regularity. In fact, that is exactly how Perez Hilton portrayed the story.

That's not a good public perception to have.

Perhaps.....but does that (supposed) "public perception" really matter? I can think of many musicians, actors and so on who have had far more notorious reputations and their careers weren't harmed at all!

I really don't think that a musician not paying his bills on time is going to get anyone (except the most luddite of people) ruffled!

Not paying your bills is the worst thing any businessman can do.

The second worst thing is when you don't pay your bills and it's made public;however, you have a valid reason for disputing it but you don't tell your side of the story (or even that you HAVE a side of the story).

When the day comes that Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him.

Put to you this way: Would you do business/extend credit to someone that has a reputation for not paying his bills, or if he does pay them, it's only way after they're due and/or you had to threaten/take legal action?

I bet you wouldn't.

squirrelgrease said:

RodeoSchro said:

Ummm, from one married man to another, maybe you'd better define "a year's worth" before you buy that ticket.

She could be married too, in which case she might just be talking about one. Or even a half of one.

Never forget this ancient Chinese proverb:

While standing at the altar, waiting for the bride, the best man noticed the groom had the biggest smile on his face he'd ever seen. So the best man whispered, "Why the big grin?" The groom whispered back, "I snuck in to see my future bride a hour ago, and she gave me the greatest blowjob in history! And now I'm about to be married to her for the rest of my life!"

At the same time, the bride was smiling, too. Her maid of honor asked about the smile, and the bride said, "My future husband snuck in an hour ago. I blew him, and that was the LAST blowjob I'm ever gonna give!"

I think this involved Confuscius but I'm not 100% sure on that.

You ain't a kiddin'.

I'm just glad that she's a hard sleeper. I play it off when she tells me she just had a dream about being in a bratwurst eating contest.

jtfolden said:

The solution to this is quite obvious. In the future, Prince should pay everyone in advance.

He may have no choice.

So it will turn from Prince getting paid in advance, to Prince paying in advance.

Those that understand cash flow know the impact of that kind of change.

I hope Prince has plenty of money, and I imagine he does. But why he'd let his reputation get shaped like this without even issuing a statement that the other side's claims are bogus is beyond me.

You can't buy your reputation back.

RodeoSchro said:

Mindflux said:

Perhaps.....but does that (supposed) "public perception" really matter? I can think of many musicians, actors and so on who have had far more notorious reputations and their careers weren't harmed at all!

I really don't think that a musician not paying his bills on time is going to get anyone (except the most luddite of people) ruffled!

Not paying your bills is the worst thing any businessman can do.

The second worst thing is when you don't pay your bills and it's made public;however, you have a valid reason for disputing it but you don't tell your side of the story (or even that you HAVE a side of the story).

When the day comes that Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him.

Put to you this way: Would you do business/extend credit to someone that has a reputation for not paying his bills, or if he does pay them, it's only way after they're due and/or you had to threaten/take legal action?

I bet you wouldn't.

"Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him."

And when do you think that is going to happen? He is in his 50s now and I expect that he might be somewhat semi-retired at this time. Mike Jackson kept getting people to give him money right up until his last days and he never paid anyone. The rich and famous live in a different world so stop apply the same rules to them as you would to anyone else.

laurarichardson said:

RodeoSchro said:

Not paying your bills is the worst thing any businessman can do.

The second worst thing is when you don't pay your bills and it's made public;however, you have a valid reason for disputing it but you don't tell your side of the story (or even that you HAVE a side of the story).

When the day comes that Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him.

Put to you this way: Would you do business/extend credit to someone that has a reputation for not paying his bills, or if he does pay them, it's only way after they're due and/or you had to threaten/take legal action?

I bet you wouldn't.

"Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him."

And when do you think that is going to happen? He is in his 50s now and I expect that he might be somewhat semi-retired at this time. Mike Jackson kept getting people to give him money right up until his last days and he never paid anyone. The rich and famous live in a different world so stop apply the same rules to them as you would to anyone else.

It may never happen. But if you think different rules apply to the payment of debts just because someone is rich or famous, you're a fool.

Wouldn't an attorney working with Prince demand to be on retainer? I mean, maybe this guy did and Prince blew through it. $50K in legal fees doesn't seem like that much.

Genesia said:

Wouldn't an attorney working with Prince demand to be on retainer? I mean, maybe this guy did and Prince blew through it. $50K in legal fees doesn't seem like that much.

Absolutely. Every banker and every lawyer knows that the two worst kinds of clients are athletes and entertainers.

I'd bet you're right - that Prince paid a retainer and the guy blew through it. But if Prince's position is that the lawyer billed more than he should have, Prince should say so. Because all anyone knows right now is that a lawyer is saying Prince is a deadbeat.

"No comment" on these kinds of things is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I know from experience.

RodeoSchro said:

Genesia said:

Wouldn't an attorney working with Prince demand to be on retainer? I mean, maybe this guy did and Prince blew through it. $50K in legal fees doesn't seem like that much.

Absolutely. Every banker and every lawyer knows that the two worst kinds of clients are athletes and entertainers.

I'd bet you're right - that Prince paid a retainer and the guy blew through it. But if Prince's position is that the lawyer billed more than he should have, Prince should say so. Because all anyone knows right now is that a lawyer is saying Prince is a deadbeat.

"No comment" on these kinds of things is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I know from experience.

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Genesia said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely. Every banker and every lawyer knows that the two worst kinds of clients are athletes and entertainers.

I'd bet you're right - that Prince paid a retainer and the guy blew through it. But if Prince's position is that the lawyer billed more than he should have, Prince should say so. Because all anyone knows right now is that a lawyer is saying Prince is a deadbeat.

"No comment" on these kinds of things is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I know from experience.

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Hell yeah, and when it's something that's going to be written about in the paper, you get ONCE CHANCE to make your case.

We had a lawyer "no comment" to the newspaper once, after we lost a HUGE lawsuit. I thought my dad was going to kill him.

And of course, the verdict was thrown out but that wasn't front-page news like the first story.

RodeoSchro said:

Genesia said:

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Hell yeah, and when it's something that's going to be written about in the paper, you get ONCE CHANCE to make your case.

We had a lawyer "no comment" to the newspaper once, after we lost a HUGE lawsuit. I thought my dad was going to kill him.

And of course, the verdict was thrown out but that wasn't front-page news like the first story.

I'm with your dad.

Genesia said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely. Every banker and every lawyer knows that the two worst kinds of clients are athletes and entertainers.

I'd bet you're right - that Prince paid a retainer and the guy blew through it. But if Prince's position is that the lawyer billed more than he should have, Prince should say so. Because all anyone knows right now is that a lawyer is saying Prince is a deadbeat.

"No comment" on these kinds of things is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I know from experience.

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Yes, but, especially for Prince, doesn't commenting on everything ruin a person's mystery? That is probably why he comments on nothing, because he wants to remain a mysterious enigma. That's why there's no comments from him on the PMRC controversy from the 80's.

Sure, the CEO of Walmart may not want to say "no comment", but part of Prince's career is being a mysterious person. To respond and comment to every attack on him would surely kill some of that mystique. No?

^ Prince is not exempt from this. As an entertainer I'd expect him to keep up a "mystique" but when it comes to things like this, that may not be that simple.

[Edited 8/5/10 9:25am]

I pray and wish people would just leave prince alone he is the man,and i would pay something to get prince out of this i mean pay for a ticket if he comes and tour here in lakeland florida.we miss you prince well i know i do. and love to you prince.

RodeoSchro said:

Mindflux said:

Perhaps.....but does that (supposed) "public perception" really matter? I can think of many musicians, actors and so on who have had far more notorious reputations and their careers weren't harmed at all!

I really don't think that a musician not paying his bills on time is going to get anyone (except the most luddite of people) ruffled!

Not paying your bills is the worst thing any businessman can do.

The second worst thing is when you don't pay your bills and it's made public;however, you have a valid reason for disputing it but you don't tell your side of the story (or even that you HAVE a side of the story).

When the day comes that Prince can no longer get paid up front, he may find out what this kind of reputation will cost him.

Put to you this way: Would you do business/extend credit to someone that has a reputation for not paying his bills, or if he does pay them, it's only way after they're due and/or you had to threaten/take legal action?

I bet you wouldn't.

Absolutely not! And, you may have seen that, in a response to Haterina, I said that not paying people is the worst thing you can do. I rely on people paying me on time - if not, it causes problems.

BUT, I don't think this is a publicity issue that would affect his career. I don't think the public perceive him as a "businessman", but moreso a "musician". Ok, it might affect him in the future if he ever needs a loan, but that's just more speculation and is not the case now.

As I said before, if he's dicking people around over money with no good reason, then that's indefensible. And it may affect him in "money circles" in future. But, as to the public's perception, I think the only people who give a fig are, well, the people here! George Michael has spent the last 10 years getting high, crashing cars in to shops and all over the place, falling asleep stoned in his vehicle, been caught soliciting gay men on Hampstead Heath......nobody gives a fuck! They still go see him in concert and his popularity doesn't seem to be affected, no matter how much he is demonised in the press. Prince's current lawsuit is just another in a long line that will blow over and be forgotten about in a few weeks!

berniejobs said:

Genesia said:

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Yes, but, especially for Prince, doesn't commenting on everything ruin a person's mystery? That is probably why he comments on nothing, because he wants to remain a mysterious enigma. That's why there's no comments from him on the PMRC controversy from the 80's.

Sure, the CEO of Walmart may not w ant to say "no comment", but part of Prince's career is being a mysterious person. To respond and comment to every attack on him would surely kill some of that mystique. No?

Partly, yes! And, in fact, Prince doesn't even say "No comment", he says NOTHING at all!!

And, despite what Genesia has said, I think in most cases that IS the right thing to do (although, she was referring to saying "no comment", which Prince doesn't do). Its why a lot of celebrities don't say anything when a story comes out, particularly if its negative, because saying ANYTHING can be used against you, even if its a flat denial. If you don't deny or admit to anything, then people can only speculate. And, let's face it, the media is rarely interested in the truth, they just want a story. Prince knows this - and has handled the media far better than most of his contemporaries.

berniejobs said:

Genesia said:

"No comment" is the worst thing you can say in almost any situation.

Back when I was doing political communications seminars, I started each one by saying, "Rule #1 - never, ever say 'no comment.'" When I was a journalist, uttering that phrase was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Say that to me and it's on, baby!

Yes, but, especially for Prince, doesn't commenting on everything ruin a person's mystery? That is probably why he comments on nothing, because he wants to remain a mysterious enigma. That's why there's no comments from him on the PMRC controversy from the 80's.

Sure, the CEO of Walmart may not want to say "no comment", but part of Prince's career is being a mysterious person. To respond and comment to every attack on him would surely kill some of that mystique. No?

The best way of protecting your "air of mystery" is to make sure you don't do anything that would cause you to make the papers in the first place - until and unless you make it happen.

Sadly, there've been enough instances like this with Prince that the sheer number lends credibility to the claims.

[Edited 8/5/10 9:48am]

Mindflux said:

berniejobs said:

Yes, but, especially for Prince, doesn't commenting on everything ruin a person's mystery? That is probably why he comments on nothing, because he wants to remain a mysterious enigma. That's why there's no comments from him on the PMRC controversy from the 80's.

Sure, the CEO of Walmart may not w ant to say "no comment", but part of Prince's career is being a mysterious person. To respond and comment to every attack on him would surely kill some of that mystique. No?

Partly, yes! And, in fact, Prince doesn't even say "No comment", he says NOTHING at all!!

And, despite what Genesia has said, I think in most cases that IS the right thing to do (although, she was referring to saying "no comment", which Prince doesn't do). Its why a lot of celebrities don't say anything when a story comes out, particularly if its negative, because saying ANYTHING can be used against you, even if its a flat denial. If you don't deny or admit to anything, then people can only speculate. And, let's face it, the media is rarely interested in the truth, they just want a story. Prince knows this - and has handled the media far better than most of his contemporaries.

That works for claims that are obviously ridiculous (like someone alleging you've had a pair of ribs removed). But in cases where is room for doubt (not in your favor), you better address it.

At this point, there've been enough instances where Prince has lost lawsuits, had liens placed on his property, or settled with people to whom he's owed money that it looks like he's in the wrong. That is never a good thing.

laurarichardson said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Only a super wealthy, wealthy, rich, and even just got a few dollars in their pocket...person...that is a damn fool, is not on top of their financial affairs! The expression, "a fool and his money are soon parted" was created for that very reason!

Speaking as a person that has followed Prince's career as long as I have, it stands to reason that Prince should damn well, KNOW BETTER than to trust, ALL of the complete aspects of HIS finances....on the day to day, week to week, as far as the month to month...to someone other than himself!

,” KNOW BETTER than to trust, ALL of the complete aspects of HIS finances....on the day to day, week to week, as far as the month to month...to someone other than himself!”

That would be good advice if you were making $50,000.00 a year but someone who is pulling down millions does not have the time and sometimes the albility to handle the money on their own.

You need a CPA or a business manager and you may need to hire someone to manage investments or properties you may own.

Unfortunatly, you got to then hire people to watch those people. Since the lawsuits that we know about are for such small amounts I am under the impression that who ever he has hired to pay t he bills has fallen down on the job.

[Edited 8/5/10 7:08am]

Girl bye! It doesn't matter how much money someone is making, $50,000 a year or $500,000,000 a year. Yes, you should hire the proper people to do specific jobs, like investing, taking care of your taxes and what not but if YOU are not the bottom line, end all, be all...when it comes to YOUR finances, then YOU are just STUPID and would deserve to end up as one of those people crying about how you were ripped off, by people you thought you could trust!

Genesia said:

Mindflux said:

Partly, yes! And, in fact, Prince doesn't even say "No comment", he says NOTHING at all!!

And, despite what Genesia has said, I think in most cases that IS the right thing to do (although, she was referring to saying "no comment", which Prince doesn't do). Its why a lot of celebrities don't say anything when a story comes out, particularly if its negative, because saying ANYTHING can be used against you, even if its a flat denial. If you don't deny or admit to anything, then people can only speculate. And, let's face it, the media is rarely interested in the truth, they just want a story. Prince knows this - and has handled the media far better than most of his contemporaries.

That works for claims that are obviously ridiculous (like someone alleging you've had a pair of ribs removed). But in cases where is room for doubt (not in your favor), you better address it.

At this point, there've been enough instances where Prince has lost lawsuits, had liens placed on his property, or settled with people to whom he's owed money that it looks like he's in the wrong. That is never a good thing.

I hear what you're saying and I do understand what you mean. But, in yours and my country, we have the right to remain silent and be presumed innocent until proven guilty - saying nothing either way, particularly to the media, works in any given situation in my view. Its really the courts that matter.

Anyway, as I said, I understand where you're coming from and, yes, given his recent losses and level of legal activity, it doesn't look good for him.

littleredcorvette said:

To hell with these lawsuits!!!

U show them who's tha man prince!!

You can't just decide not to pay a bill, especially a lawyers. Not a clever move.

Mindflux said:

Genesia said:

That works for claims that are obviously ridiculous (like someone alleging you've had a pair of ribs removed). But in cases where is room for doubt (not in your favor), you better address it.

At this point, there've been enough instances where Prince has lost lawsuits, had liens placed on his property, or settled with people to whom he's owed money that it looks like he's in the wrong. That is never a good thing.

I hear what you're saying and I do understand what you mean. But, in yours and my country, we have the right to remain silent and be presumed innocent until proven guilty - saying nothing either way, particularly to the media, works in any given situation in my view. Its really the courts that matter.

Anyway, as I said, I understand where you're coming from and, yes, given his recent losses and level of legal activity, it doesn't look good for him.

Seriously?

Look, he might not be guilty in the eyes of the law, but that doesn't matter in terms of public perception. All most people (who are not die-hard Prince fans or defenders) will ever hear is the accusation and that's enough for them. Perception is reality.

Vendetta1 said:

I love you Squirrel. I'd give you head every single night.

This is the best thread ever!

Mindflux said:

rudedog said:

Prince has got to get rid of that cult he's in. I bet you Larry and co...have told him to give his fortune to the church...err umm i mean Jehovah. They are probably telling Prince, 'don't worry, God will protect you and keep you safe'. Great, yeah sure...Larry find another artist's career to destroy.

I want Prince back!

Be your own person Prince, you don't need religions/cults, father figures or money hungry churches in your life. You can be a perfectly good jerk without those things.

Whilst I might agree with the sentiment of not requiring organised religion, you will actually find that the JWs support paying taxes and bills!

They don't believe in voting thats for sure. I have friends and family that are JWs, they rope you into giving money to ONLY the church...for the 'betterment' of your soul. You know the whole 'Its easier for a camel to go thruogh the eye of a needle than for a rich man get into heaven'

jtfolden said:

The solution to this is quite obvious. In the future, Prince should pay everyone in advance.

That Prince seems to insist he be paid in advance is very telling. This is why I never trust someone who doesn't trust others. It's the mind-set of the shady.

Paris9748430 said:

rudedog said:

Prince has got to get rid of that cult he's in. I bet you Larry and co...have told him to give his fortune to the church...err umm i mean Jehovah. They are probably telling Prince, 'don't worry, God will protect you and keep you safe'. Great, yeah sure...Larry find another artist's career to destroy.

I want Prince back!

Be your own person Prince, you don't need religions/cults, father figures or money hungry churches in your life. You can be a perfectly good jerk without those things.

This might be the most ignorant bullshit I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying ALOT!!!

Now, Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in paying bills???

Are you a complete and utter moron???

Read my other post on it, not ignorance, truth. Money is 'given' to the church for redemption. Read yours and THEIR Bible once awhile and maybe you'll be more enlightened too.

Jehovah's Witnesses operate in the same way as big business. The organisation even has a Governing Body. Their voluntary workers are basically door-to-door sales people advertising the Governing Body's propaganda publications, The WatchTower and Awake Magazines. The more vulnerable people they can recruit with their flawed teachings the more money falls into the offering boxes in their many Kingdom Halls. Like big business the Jehovah's Witness organisation needs money - lots of it and it's the people at the top who benefit the most.

[Edited 8/5/10 13:14pm]

RodeoSchro said:

Genesia said:

Wouldn't an attorney working with Prince demand to be on retainer? I mean, maybe this guy did and Prince blew through it. $50K in legal fees doesn't seem like that much.

Absolutely. Every banker and every lawyer knows that the two worst kinds of clients are athletes and entertainers.

I'd bet you're right - that Prince paid a retainer and the guy blew through it. But if Prince's position is that the lawyer billed more than he should have, Prince should say so. Because all anyone knows right now is that a lawyer is saying Prince is a deadbeat.

"No comment" on these kinds of things is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I know from experience.

That may look like a broad statement, but the only people who have ever stiffed me in my profession for services rendered have been, you guessed it - athletes and entertainers.