metallicjigolo said:

eireboy34 said:

agree!

All these shit cabaret JW singers need to be shown the door.

Speaking of shit, It's in alot of your posts I.e. rubbish. you must like shit. If you like, I'd be more than happy to show You the door to this place. No need to bring their religion into any discussion as I am sure you don't know any of them personally. It's one thing to say you don't care for them, entirely another to be insulting. Get some positivity y don't you!?

Stop talkin' shit!

lezama said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I want 2 hear Prince music ONLY, I also don't want to hear Crazy featuring Shelby I don't want to hear late 70's early 80's non Prince soul jams

I can agree with that. But I also understand what P's trying to do by giving them stage time, he sees himself as building them up, giving them an audience, and its true. When they finally are let go, they'll have an audience that would have never bothered with them if they were never associated with him. But that said, I'm over Shelby's live covers. If P needs to give his voice a break during a show I'd rather hear an instrumental jam or something...

I understand, he gave Tamar stage time too ...

Shelby's been with him what 3 -4 years?

I don't mind giving her stage time, I just don't want to hear Crazy lol

Prince has so many other songs from For U and on, even protege stuff, I wouldn't mind hearing her do lead on a Prince song.

One of my favorite live shows was Macey's Minneapolis 7.7.2007 Perfect short playlist all Prince songs, and then after this rocking version of Let's Go Crazy or Guitar, here comes Shelby with Crazy, Why couldn't it have been Play in the Sunshine or 17 Days or A Million Miles etc etc

lezama said:

Huggiebear said:

They are alright, but Shelby is no Sheila E, and the chances of him getting female singers and musicians on the level of Cat, Jill Jones, WendynLisa and even Rosie are looking thin. The band seems to be turning into some middle of the road touring soul revue.

Cat??? Are you serious? I prefer Elisa's voice to JJ's.

Me too. When I heard the Mountains track that was provided through Drfunkenberry's site, with Shelby, Elisa and Liv, the harmony was beautiful. Then when I heard Liv sing from that short jam they did at a NYC club, that some of us were able to watch live as it was happening (the one where Prince turned his back to the audience, because of the cameras flashing in his face) Liv's voice blew me away.

Shelby and LIv have the kind of natural soul in their voices. They keep the soul in soul. You don't find in mainstream singers anymore or at least the ones you see today over-hyped as real singers. Today you get that manufactured BS. Shelby, Elisa and Liv, bring that natural soul together as a trio. Their voices compliment one another. I'm hoping the 3 of them would do some acapella on one of Prince's future cds.

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2elijah said:

lezama said:

Cat??? Are you serious? I prefer Elisa's voice to JJ's.

Me too. When I heard the Mountains track that was provided through Drfunkenberry's site, with Shelby, Elisa and Liv, the harmony was beautiful. Then when I heard Liv sing from that short jam they did at a NYC club, that some of us were able to watch live as it was happening (the one where Prince turned his back to the audience, because of the cameras flashing in his face) Liv's voice blew me away.

Shelby and LIv have the kind of natural soul in their voices. They keep the soul in soul. You don't find in mainstream singers anymore or at least the ones you see today over-hyped as real singers. Today you get that manufactured BS. Shelby, Elisa and Liv, bring that natural soul together as a trio. Their voices compliment one another. I'm hoping the 3 of them would do some acapella on one of Prince's future cds.

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It's not always a question of voice but presence and je-ne-sais-quoi.

Sorry but the cabaret bints touring with Prince now just don't have "it".

errant said:

the singers and Larry and Maceo.

the great thing about Prince's performances and lineups in the 80's and 90's is that he took his influences and transformed them into something different and his own. now he's just putting on a soul revue straight out of the 70's.

at least he's reclaiming his own sound on record.

Translation: He's getting too black....

murph said:

errant said:

the singers and Larry and Maceo.

the great thing about Prince's performances and lineups in the 80's and 90's is that he took his influences and transformed them into something different and his own. now he's just putting on a soul revue straight out of the 70's.

at least he's reclaiming his own sound on record.

Translation: He's getting too black....

That's your opinion!

Most of us here don't see colour, just talent and that "something-else" that his current line-up doesn't have.

Levi? Cat? Bonnie? Miko??? Dez?

All "black" if I remember well.

If you really want crap Prince protégés check out the Twinz....too white??!!!

Prince's best music was not necessarily about who had the most individual talent. I don't think Prince plays drums as well as most of his drummers, but The Cross is one of his most powerful songs.

Shelby is perfectly good, it's about how she is used. Just like Wendy & Lisa. If they had been used wrong they might have "sucked" too.

Like Rosie on Cream, it was a perfect blend of the two singers, and Rosie did not come across as overpowering.

eireboy34 said:

je-ne-sais-quoi.

de quoi tu parles...

lezama said:

eireboy34 said:

je-ne-sais-quoi.

de quoi tu parles...

Please don't tutoie me

i like the female back up thing especially when they all good singers like the ones he got now im not really in2 shelby voice solo but she is ok.i wish he could of kept tamar.prince is gettin older and his shows r maturing with him i like that alot.bring back marva she added a cool look

eireboy34 said:

lezama said:

de quoi tu parles...

Please don't tutoie me

Ok you guys, knock it off... ou je vous mets au coin!

Isabell said:

eireboy34 said:

Please don't tutoie me

Ok you guys, knock it off... ou je vous mets au coin!

Le petit coin??

Isa, you're a minx!!!

Could you please let us know what you think of this debate?

eireboy34 said:

Isabell said:

Ok you guys, knock it off... ou je vous mets au coin!

Le petit coin??

Isa, you're a minx!!!

Could you please let us know what you think of this debate?

LOL, tu es... oh pardon, vous êtes un petit vilain!!!!

More seriously, I can understand that some people may not like these backing voices, or find them annoying (back in the day I thought Rosie Gaines' voice was overpowering).

I saw Prince in concert just a few days ago and then went to his aftershow. To me, Shelby, Elisa and Liv nicely compliment P's singing when they are backing. On the other hand they are very powerful when soloing. I enjoy their input, but when I'm at a concert, I'm there for Prince so if they sing one song on their own I'm fine with that, but no more than one...

Agree

Ditch the worthless backround vocalists, they are annoying as fuck.

I hate Shelby.

At the 21 Nights gigs, I paid to hear Prince sing, not her big face. Man, the sooner she's off his records, the better. Nowhere near as much soul as Boni Boyer, no way!

Shelby is a powerhouse and exposes Prince's shortcomings vocally.

That's why some folks don't like her. The backing singer drowns out the lead.

Go it alone Shelby.

murph said:

errant said:

the singers and Larry and Maceo.

the great thing about Prince's performances and lineups in the 80's and 90's is that he took his influences and transformed them into something different and his own. now he's just putting on a soul revue straight out of the 70's.

at least he's reclaiming his own sound on record.

Translation: He's getting too black....

no, he's been re-treading his influences, putting on their show, with their musicians, instead of doing what made him him.

Now Elisa I surely don't mind.

I listened to "Blue Motel Room" and the girl has something. She gives me a cross between Stephanie Mills & Gwen Guthrie, vocally.

Shelby J is a lil' too damn Jennifer Hudson for me,,,,,TOO MUCH.

opinions are like assholes....everybody has one!

Do ya' thang Prince.

Hi Hater!!

eireboy34 said:

2elijah said:

Me too. When I heard the Mountains track that was provided through Drfunkenberry's site, with Shelby, Elisa and Liv, the harmony was beautiful. Then when I heard Liv sing from that short jam they did at a NYC club, that some of us were able to watch live as it was happening (the one where Prince turned his back to the audience, because of the cameras flashing in his face) Liv's voice blew me away.

Shelby and LIv have the kind of natural soul in their voices. They keep the soul in soul. You don't find in mainstream singers anymore or at least the ones you see today over-hyped as real singers. Today you get that manufactured BS. Shelby, Elisa and Liv, bring that natural soul together as a trio. Their voices compliment one another. I'm hoping the 3 of them would do some acapella on one of Prince's future cds.

[Edited 7/29/10 10:43am]

It's not always a question of voice but presence and je-ne-sais-quoi.

Sorry but the cabaret bints touring with Prince now just don't have "it".

I disagree, but seriously, who is forcing you to accept them? If you don't like his current backup singers, that's fine, but life will still go on, and Prince will continue enjoying the musicians/artists he chooses to sing and play in his band with him. You'll be okay.

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ThreadBare said:

But Prince tends to get lazy when handling all background vocals himself. Harmonies don't always pan out, and the result is over-induglence. Or schmaltz. (Better with Time, anyone?)

He's always been drawn to Tina-type vocalists. It's the Ike in him. So, I suspect a Shelby/Boni/Rosie-type gospel/soul mama is something he's always going to have handy.

As for him turning into a soul revue traveling act, Prince is a legacy artist wearing his influences on his sleeve. He's always boosted that element of music in his aftershows. So, I don't think it's surprising that we're seeing more of it seep into his recorded work and concerts. As long as the music is good and inspired, I'm happy to see Prince perform it, record it and release it.

[Edited 7/29/10 9:25am]

I agree with the bolded part of your post. He also did say in an interview that Ike Turner was one of his influences. Ike and Tina were definitely a rock/blues/funk duo/group appealing to mixed audiences. He seems to be happy with his choice of backup singers for now. I remember when it was Marva and Shelby for awhile, but now that Liv and Elisa came on board with Shelby, I'm enjoying their sound. I think a lot of folks are too stuck on the Prince w/W&L sound. Last I heard, and no disrespect to W&L, he's moved on and been surviving and doing fine without W&L.

[Edited 7/30/10 9:53am]

metallicjigolo said:

I'm totally digging all 3 singers. I say leave them where they are. They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live. On that note, praying that Prince brings them with the band to the States very soon!!

Peace.

"They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live" That is the problem lots of people on this board cannot stand soul music or souful singing.

laurarichardson said:

metallicjigolo said:

I'm totally digging all 3 singers. I say leave them where they are. They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live. On that note, praying that Prince brings them with the band to the States very soon!!

Peace.

"They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live" That is the problem lots of people on this board cannot stand soul music or souful singing.

I don't see why, I mean that type of music moves the soul. It's the type of music that gives you chills and stirs the spirit, whether it's a slow side or upbeat track. When you hear tracks like "Adore", "Insatiable", and "How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore", "Shhh", Prince puts plenty of soul into those songs, along with tracks like "Willing and Able" that has a foot-stomping, gospel-soul beat, that moves you, just like it moved Prince's spirit, as he sang and danced to it. It is what it is, music that comes from deep within the soul and moves the spirit.

So that soul sound, has always been a part of his music, aside from all the other types he puts out. Today, you don't hear the soulof the 70s classic, soul songs, like the Delfonics, Stylistics, Black Ivory sounds, that swept you off your feet back in the day---the "blue-light-in-the-basement" soul-love songs. Also, these days, there's just not enough artists with voices like Shelby and Liv's being promoted in the industry, so I think it's good Prince is showcasing their talents.

When I heard Liv sing a solo, when Prince showed up at the Village Underground in NYC, and did a 15 minute jam with a house band, and some of us caught that jam online, when it aired live on the internet, Liv blew me away with her voice when she did a solo. Very powerful voice, just as much, and about the same level as Shelby. I'm not that familar with Elisa's singing, but what I've heard so far sounds pretty good, and compliments well with Shelby and Liv's voices.

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I like the back up singers. Shelby's voice is strong on parts when Prince's voice is soft and Liv & Elisa add complimentary harmonies that pull it all together.

bashraka said:

Is it time for Prince to eshew background singers altogether? Yes, the Shelby, Liv and Elisa can most certain sing and have great abilities to create great vocal harmonies, but they don't offer anything substantive to his recorded music and artistry. It seems like Prince is bored with this group and is too spineless to fire them. It's just hard to believe that Prince did one of the most excitng and musically challenging tours of his career in One Nite Alone and has traded that for a band that has become this side of stale.

I love Shelby because she has mad swag and a powerful voice, and plus she came over and waived to me during her solo performance at Paisley Park, she made me feel so special she is a BEAST, bow down Bashraka

I like Liv because she can hold her own during a solo and has a really cool laid back go with the flow vibe on stage but can own a solo too, she has great energy and likes to dance , major plus!

I like Elisa because she comes across as a very sweet person and has a soft voice that balances the sound out, I like to watch her keep up w/Shelby's dance moves so cute! I <3 her

everyone is entitled to their own opinion though..

IT AINT THAT SERIOUS, its just music

laurarichardson said:

metallicjigolo said:

I'm totally digging all 3 singers. I say leave them where they are. They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live. On that note, praying that Prince brings them with the band to the States very soon!!

Peace.

"They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live" That is the problem lots of people on this board cannot stand soul music or souful singing.

That just about sums it up.

laurarichardson said:

metallicjigolo said:

I'm totally digging all 3 singers. I say leave them where they are. They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live. On that note, praying that Prince brings them with the band to the States very soon!!

Peace.

"They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live" That is the problem lots of people on this board cannot stand soul music or souful singing.

Well, I can. And I love that type of music. But the whole point of Prince is that that formula was pretty stale by the time he came along. He mixed it up, turned it on its head, and made it into something new. For Aretha Franklin or Larry Graham or whoever to do that kind of thing is fine, it's great, it's what they do, it's what they did, it's what made them who they are. To have Prince doign it almost exclusively, INSTEAD of doing what it is that HE can do, what he did, what made him who he is, feels like a major step backward for him. At the very least, he's coasting.

errant said:

laurarichardson said:

"They add more soul and multiple layers to performances/recordings. And I'm sure they're even better Live" That is the problem lots of people on this board cannot stand soul music or souful singing.

Well, I can. And I love that type of music. But the whole point of Prince is that that formula was pretty stale by the time he came along. He mixed it up, turned it on its head, and made it into something new. For Aretha Franklin or Larry Graham or whoever to do that kind of thing is fine, it's great, it's what they do, it's what they did, it's what made them who they are. To have Prince doign it almost exclusively, INSTEAD of doing what it is that HE can do, what he did, what made him who he is, feels like a major step backward for him. At the very least, he's coasting.

Not really, because soul/r&b ballads, were always inclusive in his music throughout his career, and definitely part of what made Prince. It seems to me that many fans, who can't relate or embrace the soul-r&b type tracks, prefer Prince play more "poppy-type" or "rock" tracks all the time, and think that's the only type of music that defined him as "Prince", when in fact he's always been known to include r&b/soul ballads in his music, as well as the rock/poppy/funk/jazz tracks he creates. A variety is much nicer, it helps to not pigeon-hole musicians/artists with their music.

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2elijah said:

Not really, because soul/r&b ballads, were always inclusive in his music throughout his career, and definitely part of what made Prince. It seems to me that many fans, who can't relate or embrace the soul-r&b type tracks, prefer Prince play more "poppy-type" or "rock" tracks all the time, and think that's the only type of music that defined him as "Prince", when in fact he's always been known to include r&b/soul ballads in his music, as well as the rock/poppy/funk/jazz tracks he creates. A variety is much nicer, it helps to not pigeon-hole musicians/artists with their music.

Exactly! & Prince started off as a soul/R&B artist even though he can play all types of music. Warners marketed him as a soul black artist in the beginning. Fans that were there in the beginning like me will always remember him that way. People that got on board after Purple Rain remember him as a poppy rock artist. Like U said 2elijah. But Prince is a master at being a soul balladeer always has been & always will be...No matter how much U R&B hater fans hate it. It will never go away so deal with it........

ANewCreation777 said:

opinions are like assholes....everybody has one!

Do ya' thang Prince.

Hi Hater!!

"Opinions are like assholes"

Wow! We've NEVER had that one on the org before!!

Give us some more of your wisdom!!!!