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Reply #60 posted 10/07/09 12:22am

ernestsewell

MacDaddy said:

With regards to the JW's ways, I've seen some of my gay friends who were raised according to the JW's believes go through hell and back because they were ex-communicated just because they were gay. One of them tried to commit suicide not too long ago.

So go ahead and preach world peach but understand that in order to come even remotely close to that one would need to accept and respect every single person’s believes, whether they believe in a god or not.


I agree. She has a borderline arrogant attitude when someone isn't ass kissing Prince, or (especially) his JW beliefs. Frankly, I think JW's are a cult. There was even a kid on Big Brother this year who had not talked to his parents in NINE YEARS because when he came out, his parents ex-communicated him. A PARENT, not the child. It's one thing for a kid to go off and "be who they are", and buck the system. But when your own parents disown you for something like that...it's despicable at best.

There's a huge amount of suicides among young people who are gay who SO fear their parents rejection that somehow death is a better option. It's tragic, and it's evil at work.

So Ladychel, before you go acting self-righteous and get called out AGAIN because you think you have some kinship w/ Prince and his religiously separatist beliefs, then you go ahead. But try airing out your brain under that yak weave next time and THINK who you might be effecting in a negative way with your judgments.

With all that said, let it be known I'm a born-again Christian, I've never been a JW, and I am gay. I faced the same fears that a lot of young people did when I wanted to come out. Luckily, I lived through it. I lived through the Independent Baptist church I was raised in (which my grandfather started eons ago and grew to 1000 members or more), and their judgments even when I just got an EAR RING. They ignored me as if I never existed yet they've known me since I was a new born. I survived it. A lot of us did. God doesn't teach hate, or judgment, he teaches love, he teaches acceptance.

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Reply #61 posted 10/07/09 1:30am

Nikademus

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ladychel61 said:

thedance said:



Larry Graham made changes to Prince... FOR THE WORSE... mad sad


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I try so hard 2 understand why people would hate Prince because he desides 2 change his life 4 God.Everything mentioned in this artical about him is positive.He doesn't curse anymore,it seems like in the past if he was upset with you,then your relationship with him was over....now he's more forgiving. The world would be a better place if we had more love 4 one another. yes grouphug sexy


Maybe if it was a more gradual/natural change and not quite so out-of-the-blue. That's what raised the red flag for me.

He's always had God references of some sort in his work, true, but up till then he was never annoyingly beat-you-over-the-head obnoxious with it. Lovesexy *kinda* came close, but compared to "The Christ" and shit, it was nothing.
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Reply #62 posted 10/07/09 8:50am

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ernestsewell said:

MacDaddy said:

With regards to the JW's ways, I've seen some of my gay friends who were raised according to the JW's believes go through hell and back because they were ex-communicated just because they were gay. One of them tried to commit suicide not too long ago.

So go ahead and preach world peach but understand that in order to come even remotely close to that one would need to accept and respect every single person’s believes, whether they believe in a god or not.


I agree. She has a borderline arrogant attitude when someone isn't ass kissing Prince, or (especially) his JW beliefs. Frankly, I think JW's are a cult. There was even a kid on Big Brother this year who had not talked to his parents in NINE YEARS because when he came out, his parents ex-communicated him. A PARENT, not the child. It's one thing for a kid to go off and "be who they are", and buck the system. But when your own parents disown you for something like that...it's despicable at best.

There's a huge amount of suicides among young people who are gay who SO fear their parents rejection that somehow death is a better option. It's tragic, and it's evil at work.

So Ladychel, before you go acting self-righteous and get called out AGAIN because you think you have some kinship w/ Prince and his religiously separatist beliefs, then you go ahead. But try airing out your brain under that yak weave next time and THINK who you might be effecting in a negative way with your judgments.

With all that said, let it be known I'm a born-again Christian, I've never been a JW, and I am gay. I faced the same fears that a lot of young people did when I wanted to come out. Luckily, I lived through it. I lived through the Independent Baptist church I was raised in (which my grandfather started eons ago and grew to 1000 members or more), and their judgments even when I just got an EAR RING. They ignored me as if I never existed yet they've known me since I was a new born. I survived it. A lot of us did. God doesn't teach hate, or judgment, he teaches love, he teaches acceptance.

GOD don't get me started.
Ernest remember that God loves you...I really don't want 2 fight anymore... bitchfightI'm sorry 4 things I've said 2 you in the pass...Yes It's wrong 4 me 2 hate you because we don't see eye 2 eye concerning Prince...Please 4 give me...Keep your head up...love ya... yes hug sexy
♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
My heart will go on...Celine Dion
I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #63 posted 10/07/09 8:57am

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Nikademus said:

ladychel61 said:


I try so hard 2 understand why people would hate Prince because he desides 2 change his life 4 God.Everything mentioned in this artical about him is positive.He doesn't curse anymore,it seems like in the past if he was upset with you,then your relationship with him was over....now he's more forgiving. The world would be a better place if we had more love 4 one another. yes grouphug sexy


Maybe if it was a more gradual/natural change and not quite so out-of-the-blue. That's what raised the red flag for me.

He's always had God references of some sort in his work, true, but up till then he was never annoyingly beat-you-over-the-head obnoxious with it. Lovesexy *kinda* came close, but compared to "The Christ" and shit, it was nothing.
I don't Know what 2 say...This is prince life and his career,I guess if you and I wanted 2 make a change with our life we would do it and we would'nt care how other's feel about it...
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I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #64 posted 10/07/09 9:00am

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LadyChel.. how long have you been following Prince's music?

you sound like a newbie to me. biggrin

Nothing wrong in being a newbie, of course not.. but you sound like you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Larry Graham is an insult, imo.. the things he did to Prince is unforgiveable.

Hate versus Love... Love always wins, but God damn, it's hard to try to love Larry Graham.... confused wink
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Reply #65 posted 10/07/09 9:01am

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ernestsewell said:

ladychel61 said:

I'm glad that I'm not the same person that I was 25 yrs ago


What's that.....a newborn?

Why can't we just get along...YES WE CAN... pat sexy
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Reply #66 posted 10/07/09 9:03am

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ernestsewell said:

ladychel61 said:

Larry and Tina once gave me their phone number and address but I've misplaced it. George is a hard person 2 reach he called me a couple of months ago.The last I heard he was doing something in Africa.


Then you woke up and reality hit ya like a rush of cold blood to the head.

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Reply #67 posted 10/07/09 9:06am

ernestsewell

ladychel61 said:

Ernest remember that God loves you...I really don't want 2 fight anymore... I'm sorry 4 things I've said 2 you in the pass...Yes It's wrong 4 me 2 hate you because we don't see eye 2 eye concerning Prince...Please 4 give me...Keep your head up...love ya..


Oh I'm not fighting darling...I'm putting you on notice.
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Reply #68 posted 10/07/09 9:07am

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ernestsewell said:

squirrelgrease said:



Ahhhhh, let the brain washing begin.

Have anyone found any pic...of George and Prince... biggrin grouphug
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I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #69 posted 10/07/09 9:19am

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thedance said:

LadyChel.. how long have you been following Prince's music?

you sound like a newbie to me. biggrin

Nothing wrong in being a newbie, of course not.. but you sound like you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Larry Graham is an insult, imo.. the things he did to Prince is unforgiveable.

Hate versus Love... Love always wins, but God damn, it's hard to try to love Larry Graham.... confused wink

I've been a fan of Prince since the eighties...far from being new...IT'S TIME 4 CHANGE....YES WE CAN...THINGS CHANGE PEOPLE CHANGE...I AGREE IT'S O.K 2 DISAGREE. nod sexy
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Reply #70 posted 10/07/09 9:25am

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Larry is cool with me lol Actually I'm happy he was there for Prince when he needed a shoulder-yeah some will say he changed Prince for the worse, but Prince had been through alot, was getting older and was bound to change as we all have wink I actually like the mature Prince-he is still a genius and he is still working em lol Ya'll leave ladychel61 alone razz
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Reply #71 posted 10/07/09 9:54am

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nurseV said:

Larry is cool with me lol Actually I'm happy he was there for Prince when he needed a shoulder-yeah some will say he changed Prince for the worse, but Prince had been through alot, was getting older and was bound to change as we all have wink I actually like the mature Prince-he is still a genius and he is still working em lol Ya'll leave ladychel61 alone razz

If you have'nt walked in someone shoes you don't know what they going through.He lost his parent and his child and two of his marriages didnt work out.We should feel the pain of others instead of just thinking of ourself.I've been through alot in life so therefore I can feel others pain...Maybe Larry came at the right time when he needed a friend...Life experiences sometimes make you turn 2 God...yes and you may loose alot of freinds...but I learned friends come and go but Jehovah God will be with you 4ever...I feel Prince pain and I will love him 4ever... hug..money can't buy happiness...But God can heal the soul sexy pat
♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
My heart will go on...Celine Dion
I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #72 posted 10/07/09 9:56am

nurseV

ladychel61 said:

nurseV said:

Larry is cool with me lol Actually I'm happy he was there for Prince when he needed a shoulder-yeah some will say he changed Prince for the worse, but Prince had been through alot, was getting older and was bound to change as we all have wink I actually like the mature Prince-he is still a genius and he is still working em lol Ya'll leave ladychel61 alone razz

If you have'nt walked in someone shoes you don't know what they going through.He lost his parent and his child and two of his marriages didnt work out.We should feel the pain of others instead of just thinking of ourself.I've been through alot in life so therefore I can feel others pain...Maybe Larry came at the right time when he needed a friend...Life experiences sometimes make you turn 2 God...yes and you may loose alot of freinds...but I learned friends come and go but Jehovah God will be with you 4ever...I feel Prince pain and I will love him 4ever... hug..money can't buy happiness...But God can heal the soul sexy pat



All true hug
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Reply #73 posted 10/07/09 9:56am

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ernestsewell said:

ladychel61 said:

Ernest remember that God loves you...I really don't want 2 fight anymore... I'm sorry 4 things I've said 2 you in the pass...Yes It's wrong 4 me 2 hate you because we don't see eye 2 eye concerning Prince...Please 4 give me...Keep your head up...love ya..


Oh I'm not fighting darling...I'm putting you on notice.

faint
♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
My heart will go on...Celine Dion
I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #74 posted 10/07/09 9:59am

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nurseV said:

ladychel61 said:


If you have'nt walked in someone shoes you don't know what they going through.He lost his parent and his child and two of his marriages didnt work out.We should feel the pain of others instead of just thinking of ourself.I've been through alot in life so therefore I can feel others pain...Maybe Larry came at the right time when he needed a friend...Life experiences sometimes make you turn 2 God...yes and you may loose alot of freinds...but I learned friends come and go but Jehovah God will be with you 4ever...I feel Prince pain and I will love him 4ever... hug..money can't buy happiness...But God can heal the soul sexy pat



All true hug

grouphug hug sexy
♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
My heart will go on...Celine Dion
I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #75 posted 10/07/09 12:55pm

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PEJ said:

BobGeorge909 said:





it's not hard...just google it....typ "prince and larry graham" and hit enter....then click on "images" pics will show...I just did it...same with Clinton


edit: well it is more difficult tof ind george/prince pics.....but just google it my fellow orger...u'll find what U want.
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I don't think I have ever seen a pic of prince with George Clinton so you can google all day but it doesn't exist. I don't even recall the two of them in the same scene in Grafitti Bridge not even once. There was the mini Prince concert filmed at Paisley from back in the day that Clinton performed at and Prince was at the side of the stage but never were they caught on camera together





doesn't exist
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Found a pic!

If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #76 posted 10/07/09 1:02pm

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ernestsewell said:[quote]

MacDaddy said:

God doesn't teach hate, or judgment, he teaches love, he teaches acceptance.

What bible are you reading? (I don't necessarily mean that as a rhetorical question, but every version of the bible I have read contradicts this... unless slavery isn't considered hatred.)

-edit-
Eh, I fucked the quote up, but whatever.
[Edited 10/7/09 13:03pm]
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Reply #77 posted 10/07/09 1:07pm

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ladychel61 said:


neutral

I'm not sure how I am to respond to this.
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Reply #78 posted 10/07/09 1:56pm

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squirrelgrease said:

PEJ said:





I don't think I have ever seen a pic of prince with George Clinton so you can google all day but it doesn't exist. I don't even recall the two of them in the same scene in Grafitti Bridge not even once. There was the mini Prince concert filmed at Paisley from back in the day that Clinton performed at and Prince was at the side of the stage but never were they caught on camera together





doesn't exist
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Found a pic!

I wish I could just find one pic of Prince and George.Thanks 4 ...L eyepop : eyepop :king
♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
My heart will go on...Celine Dion
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Reply #79 posted 10/07/09 1:58pm

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herrherr said:

ladychel61 said:


neutral

I'm not sure how I am to respond to this.

hug
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My heart will go on...Celine Dion
I will always love you...Whitney Houston
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Reply #80 posted 10/07/09 2:30pm

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This might satisfy her:



err...now tell me more about this JW thing??
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Reply #81 posted 10/07/09 3:02pm

MacDaddy

herrherr said:[quote]

ernestsewell said:

MacDaddy said:

God doesn't teach hate, or judgment, he teaches love, he teaches acceptance.

What bible are you reading? (I don't necessarily mean that as a rhetorical question, but every version of the bible I have read contradicts this... unless slavery isn't considered hatred.)

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Eh, I fucked the quote up, but whatever.
[Edited 10/7/09 13:03pm]


Err..yeah, I didn't say that
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Reply #82 posted 10/07/09 3:04pm

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Prince: hey man smell my finger
George: that's just nasty!
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Reply #83 posted 10/07/09 3:27pm

ernestsewell

MacDaddy said:

herrherr said:


What bible are you reading? (I don't necessarily mean that as a rhetorical question, but every version of the bible I have read contradicts this... unless slavery isn't considered hatred.)

-edit-
Eh, I fucked the quote up, but whatever.
[Edited 10/7/09 13:03pm]


Err..yeah, I didn't say that


Major misquote, indeed.
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Reply #84 posted 10/07/09 3:46pm

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stevenevermind said:

This might satisfy her:



err...now tell me more about this JW thing??

Thanks...That's funny,you gave me what I asked 4 a picture of Prince and George... ohgoon...What would you like to know about J.W... grouphug
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Reply #85 posted 10/07/09 4:34pm

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ladychel61 said:

herrherr said:


I'm not sure how I am to respond to this.

hug

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Reply #86 posted 10/07/09 4:41pm

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ernestsewell said:

Major misquote, indeed.

I wouldn't deem it major; your username was still within the post, and I addressed the issue afore it was responded to. The more essential bit was left unanswered, of course, but my question remains: what bible are you referring to?
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Reply #87 posted 10/07/09 4:44pm

ernestsewell

herrherr said:

ernestsewell said:

Major misquote, indeed.

I wouldn't deem it major; your username was still within the post, and I addressed the issue afore it was responded to. The more essential bit was left unanswered, of course, but my question remains: what bible are you referring to?


I will not get into a semantics game or debate or some version of the Bible vs. another. I'll tell you what I don't read: The Jehovah's Witness New World Translation that is altered to the point of being a totally different text, the Book of Mormon, The Satanic Bible, or the Catechism.
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Reply #88 posted 10/07/09 5:00pm

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ernestsewell said:

herrherr said:


I wouldn't deem it major; your username was still within the post, and I addressed the issue afore it was responded to. The more essential bit was left unanswered, of course, but my question remains: what bible are you referring to?


I will not get into a semantics game or debate or some version of the Bible vs. another. I'll tell you what I don't read: The Jehovah's Witness New World Translation that is altered to the point of being a totally different text, the Book of Mormon, The Satanic Bible, or the Catechism.

Ah, I would not entertain the idea of a debate, or pitting two sects' scripts against one another (I think that goes on enough without my influence, eh?). I simply wanted something new to delve into; I've an intrigue with religion, particularly Christianity, and was curious to know if there was some version of the bible (that I was unaware of) that did not promote intolerance, slavery, etcetera--but I appreciate your response.
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Reply #89 posted 10/07/09 5:05pm

ernestsewell

herrherr said:

ernestsewell said:



I will not get into a semantics game or debate or some version of the Bible vs. another. I'll tell you what I don't read: The Jehovah's Witness New World Translation that is altered to the point of being a totally different text, the Book of Mormon, The Satanic Bible, or the Catechism.

Ah, I would not entertain the idea of a debate, or pitting two sects' scripts against one another (I think that goes on enough without my influence, eh?). I simply wanted something new to delve into; I've an intrigue with religion, particularly Christianity, and was curious to know if there was some version of the bible (that I was unaware of) that did not promote intolerance, slavery, etcetera--but I appreciate your response.


To talk about something doesn't promote it. So if you are referring to slavery, oppression, religious bigotry and the like in the Bible, yes it's there. The whole story has a fabulous ending, and the wrongs are righted.
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