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Prince the great musical theif

To a certain extent all musicians are musical theifs but I have heard that prince is supposed to be one of the greatest. The thing is when I hear a prince song apart from recent ones I dont think oh well hes nicked this bands melody there or hes stole this riff from that song or thats such and such chord progression, you know like you can do with alot of other bands songs. The only one I thought hey hang on was his song guitar which I thought the riff sounded alot like a u2 song. My question is have you heard any prince songs where you thought well I think thats based on someone elses song?
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Reply #1 posted 05/13/08 1:13pm

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Some people think "3 Chains O Gold" is a ripoff of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".... whatever....
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Reply #2 posted 05/13/08 1:15pm

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I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

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Reply #3 posted 05/13/08 1:25pm

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paisley2002 said:

Some people think "3 Chains O Gold" is a ripoff of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".... whatever....


Ive never heard that before Ill have to check that out. cool.
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Reply #4 posted 05/13/08 1:27pm

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RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused


What are you talking about renhoek dont you remember the old rhyme i before e except after h. lol lol lol lol
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Reply #5 posted 05/13/08 1:27pm

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RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused


biggrin Bet you weren't too happy with "theifs" either.
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Reply #6 posted 05/13/08 1:39pm

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a copy of someone's style is not a copy of someone's song as such

although i'm sure he's picked up bits and pieces here n there and
thought "i could use this"

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Reply #7 posted 05/13/08 1:52pm

DecaturStone

The Prince Thief theory -
Prince is Jamie Starr. Prince said "Jamie Starr is a thief" {refer to DMSR}
thus it is a fact Prince is a thief. lol
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Reply #8 posted 05/13/08 1:54pm

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paisley2002 said:

Some people think "3 Chains O Gold" is a ripoff of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".... whatever....


its not at all. people just say that he was trying to write a song similar to bohemian rhapsody in its epic and operatic qualities. they share very few similarities musically razz
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Reply #9 posted 05/13/08 1:56pm

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greyhoodiegirl said:

paisley2002 said:

Some people think "3 Chains O Gold" is a ripoff of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody".... whatever....


its not at all. people just say that he was trying to write a song similar to bohemian rhapsody in its epic and operatic qualities. they share very few similarities musically razz


exactly, in that respect you could also say that "strays of the world" is a copy of bohemian rhapsody -which it isn't biggrin
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Reply #10 posted 05/13/08 2:14pm

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rolling said:

To a certain extent all musicians are musical theifs but I have heard that prince is supposed to be one of the greatest. The thing is when I hear a prince song apart from recent ones I dont think oh well hes nicked this bands melody there or hes stole this riff from that song or thats such and such chord progression, you know like you can do with alot of other bands songs. The only one I thought hey hang on was his song guitar which I thought the riff sounded alot like a u2 song. My question is have you heard any prince songs where you thought well I think thats based on someone elses song?
[Edited 5/13/08 13:08pm]


OK. Every musician has musical influences. U can hear mine when U hear my music 2. The thing about Prince is that he has his own "voice" on every instrument, including voice, and in every musical piece. He is entirely unique, whether we can identify his influences or not. Prince absorbs intensely and quickly.

In terms of the song "Guitar", that riff should NOT be attributed 2 U2 at all. They got it from old Rock & Roll... Just think of Chuck Berry's riffs. Also, those riffs come very easily on the guitar, and have been done in many ways over time.
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Reply #11 posted 05/13/08 3:14pm

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God just has this pool of idea'z and they rain into the instruments of God's children.
It's a strung out kind of thing. Even if a song is similar to another...It's still a song...a song is still a song...
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many songs there are total? In all of recorded history?
If we find out, then we can figure out how many totally different songs there can be before they have an inkling of similarity. That should solve the music crime. cool
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Reply #12 posted 05/13/08 3:19pm

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Twiki said:

RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused


biggrin Bet you weren't too happy with "theifs" either.



Actually the word he is looking for is THEFT
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Reply #13 posted 05/13/08 3:21pm

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IstenSzek said:

greyhoodiegirl said:



its not at all. people just say that he was trying to write a song similar to bohemian rhapsody in its epic and operatic qualities. they share very few similarities musically razz


exactly, in that respect you could also say that "strays of the world" is a copy of bohemian rhapsody -which it isn't biggrin



3 Chains O' Gold is done in a style similar to Bohemian Rhapsody but sounds nothing like it. It is not a rip off of Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Reply #14 posted 05/13/08 3:24pm

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RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused

lol Start a thread with misspelled words in the heading what's up with that?
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Reply #15 posted 05/13/08 3:28pm

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Let me clarify what Im talking about here if you look at a song like oasis cigarettes and alcohol the main guitar riff is a direct rip off of marc bolans telegram sam. The thing is you can take a number of songs, take the chorus melody from one song, the verse melody from another, a bridge from another song and hey presto youve got a new song and no one would ever know unless they know the songs youve ripped off. There must have been times where you listened to a song and thought you had heard it before that because you probably have. My point is prince is always being called a great musical theif but I cant see any songs he has directly lifted parts of melody from can you???
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Reply #16 posted 05/13/08 3:30pm

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Tame said:

God just has this pool of idea'z and they rain into the instruments of God's children.
It's a strung out kind of thing. Even if a song is similar to another...It's still a song...a song is still a song...
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many songs there are total? In all of recorded history?
If we find out, then we can figure out how many totally different songs there can be before they have an inkling of similarity. That should solve the music crime. cool

20,733,168.
A big number, sure, but still....
I woulda thought it would've been bigger.
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Reply #17 posted 05/13/08 3:30pm

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pennylover said:

RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused

lol Start a thread with misspelled words in the heading what's up with that?


Dont you mean a thread with misspelt words. lol lol
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Reply #18 posted 05/13/08 3:40pm

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Hey paisley2002 where did you get that prince avatar from that must be what he looks like at night when he takes his wig off. lol lol
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Reply #19 posted 05/13/08 3:49pm

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TheMightyCelestial said:

Tame said:

God just has this pool of idea'z and they rain into the instruments of God's children.
It's a strung out kind of thing. Even if a song is similar to another...It's still a song...a song is still a song...
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many songs there are total? In all of recorded history?
If we find out, then we can figure out how many totally different songs there can be before they have an inkling of similarity. That should solve the music crime. cool

20,733,168.
A big number, sure, but still....
I woulda thought it would've been bigger.



I wonder if that number includes Psalms
"......I gotta' lotta' butta' 2 go"
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Reply #20 posted 05/13/08 3:58pm

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Giovanni777 said:

rolling said:

To a certain extent all musicians are musical theifs but I have heard that prince is supposed to be one of the greatest. The thing is when I hear a prince song apart from recent ones I dont think oh well hes nicked this bands melody there or hes stole this riff from that song or thats such and such chord progression, you know like you can do with alot of other bands songs. The only one I thought hey hang on was his song guitar which I thought the riff sounded alot like a u2 song. My question is have you heard any prince songs where you thought well I think thats based on someone elses song?
[Edited 5/13/08 13:08pm]


OK. Every musician has musical influences.
U can hear mine when U hear my music 2. The thing about Prince is that he has his own "voice" on every instrument, including voice, and in every musical piece. He is entirely unique, whether we can identify his influences or not. Prince absorbs intensely and quickly.

In terms of the song "Guitar", that riff should NOT be attributed 2 U2 at all. They got it from old Rock & Roll... Just think of Chuck Berry's riffs. Also, those riffs come very easily on the guitar, and have been done in many ways over time.

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especially to the bold.
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Reply #21 posted 05/13/08 4:10pm

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Twiki said:

RenHoek said:

I hate it when this happens...

it's THIEF!

confused


biggrin Bet you weren't too happy with "theifs" either.


AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH...

*frantically searching for the tearing-hair-out emoticon*

mad err clueless wall cooked

and who could forget...

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Reply #22 posted 05/13/08 5:57pm

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TheMightyCelestial said:

Tame said:

God just has this pool of idea'z and they rain into the instruments of God's children.
It's a strung out kind of thing. Even if a song is similar to another...It's still a song...a song is still a song...
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many songs there are total? In all of recorded history?
If we find out, then we can figure out how many totally different songs there can be before they have an inkling of similarity. That should solve the music crime. cool

20,733,168.
A big number, sure, but still....
I woulda thought it would've been bigger.


What do ya know...Prince is probably makin that 8 a 9 eh?
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Reply #23 posted 05/13/08 6:01pm

TheMightyCeles
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Tame said:

TheMightyCelestial said:


20,733,168.
A big number, sure, but still....
I woulda thought it would've been bigger.


What do ya know...Prince is probably makin that 8 a 9 eh?

Oh, R U kidding me?
Since I first posted that reply,
Prince has already made that number rise up to 20,814,256.
His impishly funky ass is just so prolific.
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Reply #24 posted 05/13/08 7:37pm

2IZ1

Truth Comes like a Thief in the Night..... cool
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Reply #25 posted 05/13/08 7:39pm

30peacessilver

Unless I hear something fron the source i don't believe it!
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Reply #26 posted 05/13/08 11:05pm

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i don't think you can call it a "direct rip-off" if you're talking about a riff or a similar grouping of notes (a phrase, motif, or whatever) -- i mean, there are only so many notes you can play -- similar groupings are bound to show up in many songs -- now if Prince heard Dez playing a riff one night and Prince went home to write a whole song around that riff but never gave Dez credit, then yeah, that's Prince being a thief -- stories abound of this happening more than once from riffs to complete songs. also, if someone plays the same riff in the same key with the same progression with the same instrument and the same sound, then that's gotta make ya wonder too. mathematically, the more things that are the same, the less likely it's just a coincidence. thinks to thing about alright
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Reply #27 posted 05/13/08 11:41pm

2IZ1

how much was he paid to humiliate that woman on Jay Leno? and 4 million to humiliate her after Coachella...??
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Reply #28 posted 05/13/08 11:51pm

DerekH

rolling said:

Let me clarify what Im talking about here if you look at a song like oasis cigarettes and alcohol the main guitar riff is a direct rip off of marc bolans telegram sam. The thing is you can take a number of songs, take the chorus melody from one song, the verse melody from another, a bridge from another song and hey presto youve got a new song and no one would ever know unless they know the songs youve ripped off. There must have been times where you listened to a song and thought you had heard it before that because you probably have. My point is prince is always being called a great musical theif but I cant see any songs he has directly lifted parts of melody from can you???


Speaking of Marc Bolan, I always thought the rhythm guitar on "Cream" sounds a little like "Bang A Gong".
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Reply #29 posted 05/14/08 5:42am

30peacessilver

I dont undestand. i am not a brain surgeon on the guitar but have been playing for 25 year and I learned srandard blues riffs the first year, tweak one ,add some spice and you have the background for many lead guitarists and many songs. I dont consider that theft. wink
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