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Reply #240 posted 02/03/07 10:52am

Wall

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Prince fans can be so miserable some times...lol...It's not that serious Wall...Maybe, just maybe, you should be getting your left field fix from a hungrier, younger lion instead of a cat whose about to push 50...Just be glad dude is even alive and kickin'
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It's definitely not that serious and I agree the fact he's chasing 50 has a big part in it and maybe people just need to accept that he hasn't been relevant in terms of new music for a long time and chances are, he's not going to be ever again.

I like that term "left field fix." biggrin
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Reply #241 posted 02/03/07 10:53am

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like it. It reminds me a little like around the world in a day.
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Reply #242 posted 02/03/07 10:55am

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if prince had 4 albums:


Dirty Mind, 1999, PR, and Sign O the Times he would still have a better catalog than most people could hope to have.

that being said: does he hurt or help his legacy by putting out album after album?
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Reply #243 posted 02/03/07 10:56am

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kpowers said:

like it. It reminds me a little like around the world in a day.



lol just last night i listed to that song and my 4 year old daughter said "prince screams like a little girl"

i almost put the mini van in a ditch!
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Reply #244 posted 02/03/07 10:57am

tomato

This is what irks me about some fans. Piss on the song(s) all you want. Everyone has opinions, and we're discussing music here. But the whole attitude of judging a fan and branding him/her this or that because his/her choice of what good music is differs from yours is really arrogant. As if anyone owned the truth as to what "good" is. By all means claim to love or hate songs. But don't claim that someone else's take on music is "incorrect." It simply is different.
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Reply #245 posted 02/03/07 10:58am

murph

Wall said:

murph said:


Prince fans can be so miserable some times...lol...It's not that serious Wall...Maybe, just maybe, you should be getting your left field fix from a hungrier, younger lion instead of a cat whose about to push 50...Just be glad dude is even alive and kickin'
[Edited 2/3/07 10:48am]


It's definitely not that serious and I agree the fact he's chasing 50 has a big part in it and maybe people just need to accept that he hasn't been relevant in terms of new music for a long time and chances are, he's not going to be ever again.

I like that term "left field fix." biggrin


It's all good...I just feel like the midget catches too much shit from both sides...Either he's putting out the worst music on the planet or he's putting out music that rivals his peak genuis...when the truth is Prince is 48, still alive and kicking, still doing his thing onstage and still making records (good or bad..) on his own terms...Anything the man has been doing since The Rainbow Children has been gravy to a great career...You can't get to high or too low with today's Prince...The main problem is some fans expect too much...
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Reply #246 posted 02/03/07 11:02am

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tomato said:

This is what irks me about some fans. Piss on the song(s) all you want. Everyone has opinions, and we're discussing music here. But the whole attitude of judging a fan and branding him/her this or that because his/her choice of what good music is differs from yours is really arrogant. As if anyone owned the truth as to what "good" is. By all means claim to love or hate songs. But don't claim that someone else's take on music is "incorrect." It simply is different.


Sorry if I came off the way and you're right. What I personally intented to say or convey is that, I always assume Prince fans have great taste in music and I'm surprised that any would find Guitar to be a good song, it's just so boring and uninviting and I think that can be proven, like an equation, in that the lyrics are simple, the groove is simple, the brief solos are simple, there's just nothing there to even debate in my opinion. If you like it, so be it, but I'm honestly surprised anyone who thinks say 17 Days, If I Was Your Girlfiend, DMSR, Housequake, or even Pearls Before The Swine, would find this to be an inviting song or anythign more than a simple throwaway.
[Edited 2/3/07 11:06am]
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Reply #247 posted 02/03/07 11:10am

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murph said:




Prince is black...lol (for real...)
[Edited 2/3/07 10:50am]


I'm like Stephan Colbert. I don't see race. wink

Seriously, you didn't take my response to mean I don't think he's black did you?
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Reply #248 posted 02/03/07 11:12am

tomato

Wall said:

tomato said:

This is what irks me about some fans. Piss on the song(s) all you want. Everyone has opinions, and we're discussing music here. But the whole attitude of judging a fan and branding him/her this or that because his/her choice of what good music is differs from yours is really arrogant. As if anyone owned the truth as to what "good" is. By all means claim to love or hate songs. But don't claim that someone else's take on music is "incorrect." It simply is different.


Sorry if I came off the way and you're right. What I personally intented to say or convey is that, I always assume Prince fans have great taste in music and I'm surprised that any would find Guitar to be a good song, it's just so boring and uninviting and I don't think that can be proven, like an equation, in that the lyrics are simple, the groove is simple, the brief solos are simple, there's just nothing there to even debate in my opinion. If you like it, so be it, but I'm honestly surprised anyone who thinks say 17 Days, If I Was Your Girlfiend, DMSR, Housequake, or even Pearls Before The Swine, would find this to be an inviting song or anythign more than a simple throwaway.


Well, perfect then. There's a world of difference between "I'm surprised people like something" and "No one could/should like this," mainly the I in the statement. Everyone has a personal sense of what makes a piece of music work. I personally don't judge something based on general terms of simplicity or genre or instrumentation. Every song is its own little world, and the specific dynamics of all the elements within that song produce a particular response in me. I like this one, but can certainly accept the fact that other people don't.
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Reply #249 posted 02/03/07 11:13am

murph

MarcelJ said:

murph said:




Prince is black...lol (for real...)
[Edited 2/3/07 10:50am]


I'm like Stephan Colbert. I don't see race. wink

Seriously, you didn't take my response to mean I don't think he's black did you?



Jokes...Just jokes...
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Reply #250 posted 02/03/07 11:14am

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CANT DOWNLOAD THIS F@@KER!!...WONT ACCEPT THE PASSWORD!!...WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?? mad
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Reply #251 posted 02/03/07 11:17am

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blackbob said:

CANT DOWNLOAD THIS F@@KER!!...WONT ACCEPT THE PASSWORD!!...WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?? mad



it has to have a non alphanumeric character like !@#$%&
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Reply #252 posted 02/03/07 11:19am

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Man, what a chilling song! Definitely has an 80s Prince feel; At first it reminded me of Dirty Mind era, especially with that bass pluck. The production of the whole reminded me of Lovesexy,but then it took me back to around the world/uacm era in terms of the vibe.

It's vintage and fun! I don't understand why fans are ripping this one, what are expecting from the man?
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Reply #253 posted 02/03/07 11:21am

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murph said:



Jokes...Just jokes...


Iz all good Murph.

On the subject of expecting too much, he set the bar, so yeah when he puts out music I'm guilty of watching to see if he clears the bar or not. This new song is annoying. It's produced so half-assed and he charges $1.99, which is above the going rate, especially considering there wasn't a lo-fi sample of the song to listen to. We bought this on faith. I don't regret it, but looking back, I'm annoyed by it. I bought it because I buy almost all his music, but this is the first time I feel like I overpaid for what I got. I let myself get teased by his scorching cover on the Stern show and by the title of the song. I'm actually thinking of requesting my money back on this one (and I'm a HUGE fan).
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Reply #254 posted 02/03/07 11:25am

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MarcelJ said:

laurarichardson said:



"Don't you think Prince is a black pop legend?"


No, I don't. I think he's a musical genius who's at his electrifyingly best on songs like Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy, Little Red Corvette, U Got The Look and recently Fury (live) and All Along The Watchtower/Best Of You. I think he's got the ability to create a legendary rock album that could outsell any artist on the planet, even at 50. He just doesn't seem so inclined. I do have doubts, but then he comes up with the SNL performance or his guitar on My Guitar Gently Weeps and I'm fully convinced all over again.

Oh, almost forgot Beautiful Strange!
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Well I think he is a black pop genius and I think JB was one to.
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Reply #255 posted 02/03/07 11:29am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

On first listen, I think the production is too bland. And of course not AT ALL what we expected, but who are we to expect anything at all.

so you are saying it is somehow wrong to have expectations? when you buy chocolate, ar eyou wrong to expect it to be tasty. hen you buy a book, are you somehow wrong tp expect it to be entertaining? life must be very boring for you if you do not have expectations about anything and just accept things as they are.

or if your poition only applies to Prince, you are simply a hypocrite. either it is okay to have expectations absolutely or it isn't.



WTF? lol I just meant that we should not expect a guitar-heavy track from Prince, just because it's called "Guitar".
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Reply #256 posted 02/03/07 11:34am

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laurarichardson said:

2/3/07 10:16am][/b]

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Well I think he is a black pop genius and I think JB was one to.[/quote]

I just can't agree on this one. He's produced so much bad pop over the years for himself and others. He's had some amazing songs in several styles, but he's no Doctor Dre when it comes to crafting a pop production today. He once had the knack, no doubt about it, but he's lost it.

I work with music technology everyday and it's tough to keep up with. I don't think Prince has command of the studio gear and tools he once did. If he did, he could really create some amazing music, because the tools are light years ahead of what he had back in the day. Prince has focused on his live sound, which makes him an amazing live artist, but his studio sound pales in comparison. I really believe he should work with a "studio" producer. Someone with command of today's tools and he could focus on the creativity and performance aspects.
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Reply #257 posted 02/03/07 11:36am

murph

MarcelJ said:

murph said:



Jokes...Just jokes...


Iz all good Murph.

On the subject of expecting too much, he set the bar, so yeah when he puts out music I'm guilty of watching to see if he clears the bar or not. This new song is annoying. It's produced so half-assed and he charges $1.99, which is above the going rate, especially considering there wasn't a lo-fi sample of the song to listen to. We bought this on faith. I don't regret it, but looking back, I'm annoyed by it. I bought it because I buy almost all his music, but this is the first time I feel like I overpaid for what I got. I let myself get teased by his scorching cover on the Stern show and by the title of the song. I'm actually thinking of requesting my money back on this one (and I'm a HUGE fan).


Dude, it's a $1.99....Come one now...lol
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Reply #258 posted 02/03/07 11:39am

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murph said:



Dude, it's a $1.99....Come one now...lol


Yeah, and I'll take 50 cents for it. Any takers? In the days of the vinyl single I could have gotten that 50 cents! wink
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Reply #259 posted 02/03/07 11:39am

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MarcelJ said:

Prince has focused on his live sound, which makes him an amazing live artist, but his studio sound pales in comparison. I really believe he should work with a "studio" producer. Someone with command of today's tools and he could focus on the creativity and performance aspects.


I agree. He'll never do it, but he is in desperate need of a producer. I read somewhere where he supposedly told Timbaland he's "not there yet." lol Telling that to a man who has changed the soundscape of a whole musical genre while Prince puts out pop dud after dud just shows how out of touch he is and how much his arrogance blinds him and keeps him in place. I mean honestly, when is the last time a Prince album was relevant?
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Reply #260 posted 02/03/07 11:39am

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random thoughts:

Not at all what I expected from a song named Guitar. Was expecting something more SNL Fury-esque. Didn't really like it at first listen, but it's growing on me. I really like the rhythym guitar stuff towards the end (not overly electric/distorted), kinda funky. (Sorry, I don't play guitar so I don't know the best terms to use.)

Do not think he will or should play it at the Super Bowl, although I would be interested to hear a live version from Vegas or a tour. (hint hint) It's MUCH better than Te Amo and Song of the Heart, imho.

My favorite line: "Eye'll write a letter when eye learn how 2 spell" Cracks me up b/c of Prince's insistence of (mis)spelling things w/Princebonics. smile



RE: non-alphanumeric passwords. I think they are becoming more common in the US. I work for the gov't and they have been requiring us to have those types of passwords for awhile. I usually just substitute $ for an 's' or ! for an 'l'. I feel like my online credit cards require them too. Anyway....
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #261 posted 02/03/07 11:41am

ZiggmanZoo

When Prince sings "but not like I love my guitar” it sounds a lot like when the Beatles sang "Back in the U.S.S.R."
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Reply #262 posted 02/03/07 11:42am

Gohi

I'm listening to 3121 right now and "Love" is an amazing pop song. This is not.
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Reply #263 posted 02/03/07 11:46am

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Wall said:

MarcelJ said:

Prince has focused on his live sound, which makes him an amazing live artist, but his studio sound pales in comparison. I really believe he should work with a "studio" producer. Someone with command of today's tools and he could focus on the creativity and performance aspects.


I agree. He'll never do it, but he is in desperate need of a producer. I read somewhere where he supposedly told Timbaland he's "not there yet." lol Telling that to a man who has changed the soundscape of a whole musical genre while Prince puts out pop dud after dud just shows how out of touch he is and how much his arrogance blinds him and keeps him in place. I mean honestly, when is the last time a Prince album was relevant?


TRC !!! Musically Timbaland will never be near the level of arrangements and musiccianship on TRC. And when you think Prince was playing nearly all the instruments on TRC...
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Reply #264 posted 02/03/07 11:47am

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Wall said:



I agree. He'll never do it, but he is in desperate need of a producer. I read somewhere where he supposedly told Timbaland he's "not there yet." lol Telling that to a man who has changed the soundscape of a whole musical genre while Prince puts out pop dud after dud just shows how out of touch he is and how much his arrogance blinds him and keeps him in place. I mean honestly, when is the last time a Prince album was relevant?


You got it. And he's not really trying. I mean, if he'd just sample his voice doing some cool sounds and repitch it, play it across the keys and run it through some cool plugins... Any damn thing! It's not hard at all to be creative.

I will say that the track 3121 was a step in the right direction. I actually thought he's made progress the last couple of albums and that he's due. Maybe this new song is just a throw away and he's got much better things brewing...
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Reply #265 posted 02/03/07 11:47am

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Sorry if this was answered before (don't want to read this whole thread): Did anybody succeed in using his old npgmc password to login to download the song?
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Reply #266 posted 02/03/07 11:48am

murph

Wall said:

MarcelJ said:

Prince has focused on his live sound, which makes him an amazing live artist, but his studio sound pales in comparison. I really believe he should work with a "studio" producer. Someone with command of today's tools and he could focus on the creativity and performance aspects.


I agree. He'll never do it, but he is in desperate need of a producer. I read somewhere where he supposedly told Timbaland he's "not there yet." lol Telling that to a man who has changed the soundscape of a whole musical genre while Prince puts out pop dud after dud just shows how out of touch he is and how much his arrogance blinds him and keeps him in place. I mean honestly, when is the last time a Prince album was relevant?



I don't know where you lifted that Prince/Timbaland quote...But I believe you may be referring to a late '90s article in which Prince said he dug Timbaland's production, but didn't understand why he was complaining about people biting his production style (Tim's style was getting ripped from everyone...)..Prince then said, he never complained with acts like Ready For The World was stealing his shit...Instead, Prince said, he created a new sound..he suggested that Tim did the same, but said he may not be able to do that yet...

The thing is, you are dealing with two acts that are coming from two different eras of thinking...I'm still perplexed why you insist on comparing Prince to cats that have been in the game for 10 plus years...And Prince must be relevant to you because you are posting on a Prince site, right Wall?
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Reply #267 posted 02/03/07 11:51am

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TRC !!! Musically Timbaland will never be near the level of arrangements and musiccianship on TRC. And when you think Prince was playing nearly all the instruments on TRC...


Yes, you are right. So he should keep doing the arrangements and musicianship and let someone like Timbaland create the sounds and beats, essentially, be the electronic drummer and synth programmer. In Prince's heyday, he'd call in synth programmers in the middle of the night and then kick them out and keep working. Now he's using lame presets and stale loops.
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Reply #268 posted 02/03/07 11:54am

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thoughts after listening three times...hes having fun

This joint will sound killer live ...just killer

The song is good. When thinking of Price these days you can't quantify a song by "single release" or not

Its a cool song and would not sound out of place on a albumn that would include the Hendrix/Foo fighters covers we heard the other day

Good job P
Dance... Let me see you dance
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Reply #269 posted 02/03/07 11:58am

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sarkozyiszeman said:

Wall said:

MarcelJ said:

I agree. He'll never do it, but he is in desperate need of a producer. I read somewhere where he supposedly told Timbaland he's "not there yet." lol Telling that to a man who has changed the soundscape of a whole musical genre while Prince puts out pop dud after dud just shows how out of touch he is and how much his arrogance blinds him and keeps him in place. I mean honestly, when is the last time a Prince album was relevant?


TRC !!! Musically Timbaland will never be near the level of arrangements and musiccianship on TRC. And when you think Prince was playing nearly all the instruments on TRC...


I agree with that and like I said before, I think he was really making some great, fresh music at that time. I wasn't crazy about the preaching, but that's Prince. The ONA Live and Rainbow Children and even ONA are all a great little pocket of amazing music from Prince.

As for the quote, I saw that I think on Housequake, where Donnie Simpson interviewed Timbaland the other day.
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