UFOCLUB just said this was on the extended 'shockadelica';

say it ain't so

mikek1 said:

Not Shockadelica, it's from my favorite track, "Extra Loveable".





I remember reading the track was at one point intended for Vanity.....so who knows. Personally I have no problem with these lyrics.

"Extra Lovable" from 1982 that song is HOT!

I never said it was Shockadica... I googled the lyrics to Extra Loveable.

mikek1 said:

It ain't so.

I hear there are lyrics similar to this in 'lady cab driver' too, Prince has plenty of songs when he refers to "i'm gonna have to take you" or make you understand. Men didn't always believe No means No.

Militant said:

Ok - I defended Mike1 on another threadm but talk about one-track-mind! (well, two: derivative songs, and abuse of women by musicians).
What's it all about?
Why couldn't you just ask the person who posted it, and do your own research?

wlcm2thdwn said:

they still don't.

Jesus Christ, this again? Listen, Prince is an artist. If an author wrote a rape scene or a director pressed the slow motion button on a head exploding in a movie, it's dismissed as an extension of artistic expression. You don't even consider the mind or personality of the originator of the concept or idea. If a songwriter wants to sing about rape or murder or incest or Nazism or gently teasing a tied up nun's clit with the crown of thorns on a vibrating crucifix - it only registers as contoversial in the spastic minds of silly little people who'll only ever think silly little things and tie their brain up in silly little knots. You can't build walls. If you put boundaries on artistic expression and the limits of imagination, then you're a fascist. And if you're a fascist, you can fuck off.

fuck edit
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Number23 said:

Not a good argument.
Song lyrics are looked at differently because they more frequently come from the artists POV.

I don't know the song or anything about it. It could be for a film. Or perhaps it was written for a woman to perform. That would change the context a bit.

If it's his way of expressing desire then that's what it is...
Hopefully, in the bridge, she slapped the mess out of him...

...as a form of artistic expression, of course.

Roleplay.

anon said:

It's not an argument, it's a fact. Right away, you yourself have put restrictions on songwriting by writing 'most' of what singers emote is from their 'pov'. Well, maybe this was one of the other times. What I said is still perfectly valid. Explain precisely why it's 'not a good argument'. Or are you just being reactionary and wilfully antagonistic? As far as I can see, you've just agreed with me.
Really, I'm not trying to by aggressive with my perception or choice of words, but this is something I feel strongly about.
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emmi said:

Number23 said:

For the most part, songwriting and filmmaking have evolved in different ways. They are different formats and each has a different impact.

Because of this, these two vehicles of expression serve different roles in our society. They speak a slightly different language.

They can be about the same thing but are usually presented very differently. For example you probably wouldn't present a song about child abuse from the POV of the abuser. This can work in a film, however. "My Name is Luca" get's the point across (as a song) in the way that society can digest.

I would never say put a cap on expression because I'm all for pushing that bar, but these are forms of expression as they exist and are perceived today. Who knows how things will change tomorrow.

If you are an honest person, you have to be somewhat offended by those lyrics.

People often forget 2 things about this track..

1. It's unreleased... you were never supposed to hear it in the first place.
It's a bit like overhearing part of a conversation between two people, (that
you were never supposed to hear) and getting offended by something they said.

2. It was intended for Vanity to sing, and could have been included on the
2nd Vanity 6 album, had she stayed in the band.

2freaky4church1 said:

Its sole intent is to shock and offend. Art's true purpose is to push buttons in the human psyche, whether they be pleasant, challenging or disagreeable. Today, Prince has arrived at a place where he is comfortable enough with himself to slip into a pious robe of self-righteousness and awkward contradiction - he'd never write a lyric like that now because he feels a human thought itself has its own life and effect, - positively or negatively charged - and that quoted 'verge of rape' lyric is obviously charged with negative intent. Prince arrived somewhere. I tend to believe great artists never arrive - indeed can't arrive. The journey is all that exists.
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mikek1 said:

It's Extraloveable.
I like it when he says

"don't make me drag you. I can be very cruel." He sounded for a second like he didn't want to drag her.


I'm not supposed to think that's funny but.... and he sounds really hot when he says it.


okay now, everybody get mad at me for liking it.... and ah 1 and ah 2.....

FuNkeNsteiN said:

word.

I'm on the verge of defecation

IF HE DID I have an opening if he ever wants 2 style Hair

Number23 said:

If what Boris says is correct, then the intent may not have been to offend. I don't think too many guys would be offended by Vanity singing those lyrics.

Number23 said:

" teasing a tied up nun's clit with the crown of thorns on a vibrating crucifix "

great...as if Madonna didnt ALREADY have
ridiculous ideas to use for her live show

sexy showing signs of uncontainability... WOW...I dont take it that he means this literally I take it he means he wants her soooo baaaad that he's d*mn near close 2 being a madman...

anon said:

Um,..yeah. Like,...I wouldn't be offended if u said that to me.

This topic was brought up before. Maybe a year ago. I went into the fact that this sly angle with violence is pertinent on his 1999 album. Which Extra comes from the same period. I have no doubt that this song was written for Vanity6. P wouldn't have released this for himself. Especially at that time. But the rape theme is explored like a motherfucker in P's own "Lady Cab Driver". It has the overtone that he COULD be raping Jill. By having J.J. moan and shit also alludes to that P is just pleasuring Jill. Which doesn't support rape all that well. P is far from stupid. He wants to give the hint at rape without actually committing to it. Just so it has that edge of slight violence. The lyric sung by P in Loveable fits this theme. Elsewhere on the 1999 album is what I just wrote a thread about; Don't Worry, I Won't Hurt You... I Only Want To have Some Fun" The fact that he has to say "Don't Worry... I Won't Hurt You" implies something possibly painful regarding sex. More clearly; anal sex. It's basically
"Come on baby. I'll be gentle.... Don't worry. Just relax. It's not going to hurt. I just want to do this. But trust me,...it'll feel good." And then the video to Automatic where his tied up and shit.

blackguitaristz said:

interesting analysis of the '1999' album.Several of the songs do have a little violent imagery.You mentioned the "implied" rape sequence in "Lady Cab Driver" and there's also Lisa's screams at the end of "DMSR".Then a year or so later,he was in 'Purple Rain',smacking Apollonia around.

blackguitaristz said:

Don't read into it too much. 'lady cab driver' could just be rough sex not neccessarily rape. Some women like it hard!

I want to get off the personal shit now and just enjoy the music.

Let