pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I would love to know the time frame in 1993, because he changed to the symbol on his birthday that year. His performance at the April '93 aftershow at the DNA Lounge in San Fransisco was intense. I know he ws sick, but his whole vibe was different. I love that show. He recited some of the lyrics to What's My Name before he had even recorded the song. Interestingly, he had a week off and was then doing a show in LA at Glam Slam. Hmmm.....

Interesting. I haven't seen that show. That era is not exactly my fave so I haven't spent a lot of time there. I do like the performances I've seen.

Yes, same for me. I've only more recently started going back and really listening to a lot of the music during that time. His mindset back then was very interesting. I've only heard the audio of that show - not sure if there is actually video. He was sick with Bronchitis but still wanted to perform the aftershow, so his voice is very "raspy" - very different sounding. It's also on our channel

violetcrush said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I would love to know the time frame in 1993, because he changed to the symbol on his birthday that year. His performance at the April '93 aftershow at the DNA Lounge in San Fransisco was intense. I know he ws sick, but his whole vibe was different. I love that show. He recited some of the lyrics to What's My Name before he had even recorded the song. Interestingly, he had a week off and was then doing a show in LA at Glam Slam. Hmmm.....

The absolute sweetest thing about his name change is that he flew out to Spain, surprising Mayte, (she was visiting family) to tell her about it beforehand. Mayte responded that she never called him Prince anyway. Or something along those lines. I'd have to reference the book for the exact quote. Anyway, probably why Prince said Mayte never said an unkind word about anybody. I'm sure he trusted her completely with this impending bombshell and appreciated her extraordinarily kind response.

Sweet. I hadn't heard that before. Yes,I recall him saying that he felt that Mayte had no ill will toward anyone.

purplefam99 said:

Krystalkisses said:

Yep! If you think about it you can imagine the cognitive dissonance that must of tortured him by her example. It was evidence that it could be done, but huge sacrifices must be made, he was indeed making a choice , I I do believe he did want to follow God and live that way but his worldly Prince persona kept pulling him back. As the bible says , you can't serve two masters. My heart goes out to him, I don't think Prince ever felt "safe" here.

Krystal there is an article or maybe it was in a book Where prince says right around the time Denise got married that He wanted what Denise has. Now I don’t know if he meant spiritually Or married wise, but he was looking at her as some sort of example. I read a lot of books after he died so forgive me for not thinking at the time I would need to keep track of details like that. But when you spoke of envy It resonated with me because it was from that article or book that I was introduced to that notion in the first place. That in the way of being able to walk away from the flesh she was his teacher.

purplefam99 - but how was she his teacher with the "walking away from the flesh" thing?? He was with women for years after she claimed she was no longer physically with men. So I'm not sure how he was influenced by that at all. Even when he was knee deep in the JW faith he was still with women - both married and otherwise. He was also still singing about women and sex, just not as profane as he used to in the earlier days.

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You may be thinking of his comment in an interview when he said, "I heard she's concerned about my spiritual health" or something along those lines, and he then said, "I'm in the same place she is spiritually" - I believe he had started studying JW by that point.

pinkcashmere23 said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: The absolute sweetest thing about his name change is that he flew out to Spain, surprising Mayte, (she was visiting family) to tell her about it beforehand. Mayte responded that she never called him Prince anyway. Or something along those lines. I'd have to reference the book for the exact quote. Anyway, probably why Prince said Mayte never said an unkind word about anybody. I'm sure he trusted her completely with this impending bombshell and appreciated her extraordinarily kind response.

Sweet. I hadn't heard that before. Yes,I recall him saying that he felt that Mayte had no ill will toward anyone.

mayte even said in her book she liked manuelas personality. mayte is rare. i believe she just let things happen the way they was gonna. she didnt try to change prince.

fact i cant even see them arguing together.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Well....because she just had an almost 2 hour discussion with Toure, wherein she actually talked about their sex life, because he point blank asked her about it. So, there's that....

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And, he put a lot of it into his songs, so there's also that

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Mayte arrived at PP as a 17 yr old girl hired to be a backup dancer for Prince. They had a working relatiionship well before any type of romantic relationship. She has confirmed this as well. Same with Susannah. She knew Prince for a year before they officially became romantic or intimate. Same with Manuela - she worked for him for quite some time before they began a romantic relationship. My point was the time frame in which they were a "couple".

They met when she was 15 or 16.

Right - she was 16 and at his show in Germany with her Mother. Her Mother got her tape in the hands of one of the security guys. Then Prince had her and her Mother escorted backstage after the concert. She stated she would write letters back and forth with Prince for the next year. He would send her tapes of songs and she would belly dance to them and send them back to him

purplefam99 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: The absolute sweetest thing about his name change is that he flew out to Spain, surprising Mayte, (she was visiting family) to tell her about it beforehand. Mayte responded that she never called him Prince anyway. Or something along those lines. I'd have to reference the book for the exact quote. Anyway, probably why Prince said Mayte never said an unkind word about anybody. I'm sure he trusted her completely with this impending bombshell and appreciated her extraordinarily kind response.

Sweet. I hadn't heard that before. Yes,I recall him saying that he felt that Mayte had no ill will toward anyone.

I read this story. Per what I read, she was in Puerto Rico visiting her family for the Christmas holiday or some holiday - must have been December of '92. He flew down there. She went to see him at his hotel and he told her he was going to change his name. I imagine him as being very lonely during this period of time. Everyone who had surrounded him for the last 10 years was now officially gone from his life - everyone. Sheila, Jerome, Jill, Susannah, Alan Leeds, Matt Fink, Bobby Z, Wendy, Lisa...and the rest. I have no doubt it was a very rough time for him.

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And, I don't believe for a second that she never called him Prince. Come on!!! That was also part of the "fairytale fluff" that was discussed on that Oprah show.

violetcrush said:

VioletWaiting said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sweet. I hadn't heard that before. Yes,I recall him saying that he felt that Mayte had no ill will toward anyone.

mayte even said in her book she liked manuelas personality. mayte is rare. i believe she just let things happen the way they was gonna. she didnt try to change prince.

Mayte actually had Manuela on her stint for Hollywood Ex's. I never watched the show when it aired, however, there are clips on YT. On one of the episodes, she had lunch with Manuela, and was talking to her about trying to have a baby. Manuela was married to Eric Benet by this point and already had one child.

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I can imagine Prince watching that episode and just shaking his head

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Sorry, but I don't call how she acted toward Prince in later years "nice" - far from it actually. Mocking his size, posting pics of her wearing his underwear, making fun of his clothes and trying to sell his stuff while he was alive. Not cool, not classy...at all.

violetcrush said:

VioletWaiting said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

purplefam99 - but how was she his teacher with the "walking away from the flesh" thing?? He was with women for years after she claimed she was no longer physically with men. So I'm not sure how he was influenced by that at all. Even when he was knee deep in the JW faith he was still with women - both married and otherwise. He was also still singing about women and sex, just not as profane as he used to in the earlier days.

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You may be thinking of his comment in an interview when he said, "I heard she's concerned about my spiritual health" or something along those lines, and he then said, "I'm in the same place she is spiritually" - I believe he had started studying JW by that point.

I think she meant something much deeper than the carnal/sex stuff, in the Christian sense, She began to manage her psin/unhappiness and HER method of vice..(vanity, stardom, attention, drugs or whatever she was relying on to give her those dopamine hits to the brain) by comparison he may of felt he was falling short with regard to managing his. ???

I don't think he ever had issues with physically being with women - in fact, he stated many times that sex is also a spiritual thing, and is not bad or evil. He may have struggled with his inability to be monogamous with a woman - in terms of his faith, but not being in a relationship with a woman.

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And from the sounds of him performing the song Elixir at his Montreux show in 2009.....good God!! He was far from giving up the flesh

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Mayte actually had Manuela on her stint for Hollywood Ex's. I never watched the show when it aired, however, there are clips on YT. On one of the episodes, she had lunch with Manuela, and was talking to her about trying to have a baby. Manuela was married to Eric Benet by this point and already had one child.

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I can imagine Prince watching that episode and just shaking his head

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Sorry, but I don't call how she acted toward Prince in later years "nice" - far from it actually. Mocking his size, posting pics of her wearing his underwear, making fun of his clothes and trying to sell his stuff while he was alive. Not cool, not classy...at all.

Well to be fair how many ex wives talk nicely about their ex husbands?

Talking privately is one thing, however bashing and mocking him on national televisoin, twitter and Facebook?? When your Ex is a worldwide celebrity and loved by many?? Not a smart or classy choice. Sorry. Can't imagine anyone would disagree with that. Did he ever publicly bash or mock her?? Nope.

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

purplefam99 said:

NotACleverName said:

VioletWaiting said:

mayte even said in her book she liked manuelas personality. mayte is rare. i believe she just let things happen the way they was gonna. she didnt try to change prince.

I agree, violetwaiting. I don't think I would have that much grace when it comes to my Ex's fiancee. No way would I hang out with her! I do think she loved the man and not the persona. So sad she has not found another to share her life with. She's aged so well. Still gorgeous!

Well, I'm thinking Tommy Lee wasn't the best road for her to go down after the divorce from Prince. He wasn't exactly husband material. And her behavior on the Hollywood Ex's show didn't score her any points with finding a guy.

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I don't find it odd at all that Mayte would connect with Manuela. She had been out of Prince's life for more than 10 yrs and Manuela for more than 5 yrs. I'm sure they had many similar stories wth regard to their time with Prince. Heck, Mayte friend requested Susannah Melvoin on FB back in 2009!! Someone commented "you two have something in common"

Krystalkisses said:

purplefam99 said:

Krystalkisses said:

I think she meant something much deeper than the carnal/sex stuff, in the Christian sense, She began to manage her psin/unhappiness and HER method of vice..(vanity, stardom, attention, drugs or whatever she was relying on to give her those dopamine hits to the brain) by comparison he may of felt he was falling short with regard to managing his. ???

Well put. I feel like she was showing him the light, up to him if he wanted to follow it. Just because he didn’t learn doesn’t mean it wasn’t an opportunity. Actions are the best teacher and I think her Actions and conviction meant something to him.

Well....except for the fact that when Vanity was first doing the talk show circuit in the early 90's (Joan Rivers and The 700 Cllub) talking about how she had been saved, and she was no longer with men, but then ended up marrying the Football player in 1995. So, she was not always exactly consistent with the things she did and said.

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I believe this is why the song Dinner With Delores is rumored to have been about her. "Like a true confession, no one could be more made up than you..." Not sure about that though, because there was speculation it could have been about Madonna too.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

I read this story. Per what I read, she was in Puerto Rico visiting her family for the Christmas holiday or some holiday - must have been December of '92. He flew down there. She went to see him at his hotel and he told her he was going to change his name. I imagine him as being very lonely during this period of time. Everyone who had surrounded him for the last 10 years was now officially gone from his life - everyone. Sheila, Jerome, Jill, Susannah, Alan Leeds, Matt Fink, Bobby Z, Wendy, Lisa...and the rest. I have no doubt it was a very rough time for him. And, I don't believe for a second that she never called him Prince. Come on!!! That was also part of the "fairytale fluff" that was discussed on that Oprah show.

Wow, you dispute absolutely everything that Prince said about Mayte. According to you, Prince was a blatant liar who could never utter a true word! It really is getting to the point where I feel you are personally vested in the Susannah and Prince relationship. Are you really Susannah and just mad at Mayte because he never came back for you like he said (claimed by you only...never heard that before)?

No not at all!! Definitely not Susannah

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Again, I have said multiple times that I have nothing against Mayte at all, and I think Prince did care for her and love her. I just think she got a very shitty deal. WAY too young to be thrown into his crazy world (Shame on her Momma!), and I think she was controlled by him the most out of any of the women, which makes sense because she was the youngest and least experienced. I think she was a bit of a "puppet on a string" with him.

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All that being said, I was not impressed with her behavior in later years...but, she was still young, so I guess some of it gets a "pass". However, really any of the girls could have behaved the same way after their breakup with Prince, but they kept quiet and they were respectful.

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Well, I'm thinking Tommy Lee wasn't the best road for her to go down after the divorce from Prince. He wasn't exactly husband material. And her behavior on the Hollywood Ex's show didn't score her any points with finding a guy. I don't find it odd at all that Mayte would connect with Manuela. She had been out of Prince's life for more than 10 yrs and Manuela for more than 5 yrs. I'm sure they had many similar stories wth regard to their time with Prince. Heck, Mayte friend requested Susannah Melvoin on FB back in 2009!! Someone commented "you two have something in common"

Another dig...you just can't quit! Do you know Mayte personally because that's some contempt for someone you don't know on a personal level. Well, obviously Tommy Lee gave her something she needed at that time. I'm certainly not one to begrudge another's personal choices. I've made some doozies in my own life.

I get it, but Tommy Lee???? She stated at one point that Prince would watch the Tommy Lee and Pamela sex tape a lot, so I wondered if she dated him out of spite If that's the case then I forgive the poor choice

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

Well, I'm thinking Tommy Lee wasn't the best road for her to go down after the divorce from Prince. He wasn't exactly husband material. And her behavior on the Hollywood Ex's show didn't score her any points with finding a guy.

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I don't find it odd at all that Mayte would connect with Manuela. She had been out of Prince's life for more than 10 yrs and Manuela for more than 5 yrs. I'm sure they had many similar stories wth regard to their time with Prince. Heck, Mayte friend requested Susannah Melvoin on FB back in 2009!! Someone commented "you two have something in common"

You can count on one hand princes ex’s that went on to have stable relationships. So maybe they just arent skilled at matching up.

Susannah was married for 13 years and had two kids. I woudl say that's quite stable in this day and age, and pretty good considering most regular marriages don't last that long. Manuela is still married and has two kids. Much tougher to keep a marriage together when you're in the spotlight on some level.