Oh well, I'm just gonna go have a burguer with Sheila, brb...

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol...

I'd humbly invite you to look at my profile more carefully. It's almost 3000 posts since joining in 2002, not 30,000. Is that another lie, stupid, or an honest mistake? Respectfully, I'd again suggest that you read what you've typed before posting.

humbly noted...humbly "fat-fingered"...but, hey...shit happens...

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol... I am perfectly fine when people disagree... i am not fine when people are a dick about it. Ok, to your point... How many albums did PR sell??? please answer. How many albums did ATWID sell? Please answer. How many albums did Parade sell? Please answer. I am sure your will throw the artistic, ground breaking, trying a new sound. Give units sold.

Yeah, I'm remotely familiar with their sales figures. Both went platinum. You classify platinum albums by Prince as flops? So what you're saying is that anyone making public statements about Prince who were not part of an album that sold as much as Purple Rain is "milking" Prince. That'd be everyone, including Prince himself.

I never said anything about "platinum"...you did... probably to try to justify it selling allot of albums...but thsee sales were going in the wrong direction... There are select tracks on them that I do like...

feeluupp said:

feeluupp said:

ATWIAD & PARADE sold over 4 million each worldwide.

From 1982 - 1989 World Wide he always went multiplatinum...

1999 - over 6 million

PURPLERAIN - over 25 million

ATWIAD - over 4 million

PARADE - over 4 million

SOTT - over 4 million

LOVESEXY - over 2 million

BATMAN - over 4 million

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DIAMONDS & PEARLS - over 6 million

LOVE SYMBOL - over 2 million

THE HITS 1,2/ THE B-SIDES - over 4 million

MUSICOLOGY - over 3 million

THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - over 3 million

[Edited 6/24/17 20:42pm]

interesting #'s.... would you happen to have sales for NEWS, 3121, HNR 1, HNR2, PE, Lotusflower, Plectrum,AOA??

OldFriends4Sale said:

macaylasdad said:

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol... I am perfectly fine when people disagree... i am not fine when people are a dick about it. Ok, to your point... How many albums did PR sell??? please answer. How many albums did ATWID sell? Please answer. How many albums did Parade sell? Please answer. I am sure your will throw the artistic, ground breaking, trying a new sound. Give units sold.

‘It’s the clearest definition of creative freedom I have ever heard. I was 16 and went to see the film Under The Cherry Moon and fell in love. The soundtrack went from rock to computerized blues to jazz to pop and classical. I grew up listening to jazz and blues, to Ella Fitzgerald and Hendrix and, sure, I loved Bach and Mozart. But prince came along and amalgamated them all. The writing was so descriptive and colourful. I used to stay up and listen to the album over and over again on headphones. When everyone else was outside playing and running on a Saturday afternoon, I’d be locked in my bedroom or sat on my porch listening to the LP, and I’d be immediately transported away from all the problems in my neighbourhood to the French Riviera, where the film was set.

Prince uses so many different vocal tones and that was a real beginning for me. His voice would change to accommodate the story, the lyrics – something I choose to do with my music. Any poet, singer, writer wants to live in the moment of each and every song and this is the method by which to do it. He switches Anotherloverholenyohead to a song like Do U Lie (sings), ‘When I lie awake at night in my boudoir’ and automatically the sun comes out, the rays shine through the window, the room becomes light. The track Christopher Tracey’s Parade taught me a new sense of rhythm. Using a computer he created a different heart rhythm. You don’t listen to that song, you fall inside it and become it. He added car sounds – I mean, who did that in those days? And he sings like he never planned a thing, like they play the music and he’s not sure how it’s going to go he just opens his mouth and starts to sing. It doesn’t feel rehearsed but fresh, full of life.

It’s a classic album and lyrically an inspiration. He’s capable of being a very personal writer but he’s also very skilled. When you listen to the music the picture is always clear, the imagination is provoked – that’s the kind of writer I want to be. Like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, he makes forever music.

The instrumentation is wonderful. He had a computer create the sound but didn’t falsify it by pretending it’s another instrument. He chose to play a computer as itself! His guitar – how he would go from being rock and out there and strong and immediately change the sound to sensitive and loving and soft – that is brilliance. I don’t know if the music was a genuine reflection of a part of his life or a fictional creation, but quite honestly I don’t care because I feel it regardless. I feel blessed just listening to this record.’ -Jill Scott

wow...this is true honesty...thank you and I agree with you...seems you and I are the same age...around 47 my guess... at our age we've seen allot of changes in Prince's career... I was always disappointed that the masses never came along for the ride, I am actually listening to "Girls and Boys" right now, taking me back to the summer of 86. It is a really good album. the crazy thing is Parade was released only 21 months after PR...they sound like night and day...and that is not a bad thing. Thanks for your insight, I won't be so critical in future posts...

MMJas said:

macaylasdad said:

So many Prince "friends" and "family" have been "milking" the media since Prince died? People who havent been seen or heard ever or for years?!?!

• Shelia
• W&L (Revoultion)
• Mayte
• His sisters
• His cousins
• Susan Rodgers

I have to go with W&L, sorry I don't see it...yes they were his backing band during PR, but he kicked them to the curb 30 years ago! I know, what your going to say about the music they created...but only 3 albums came from and 2 out of 3 flopped. The 94-95 NPG, SOTT/Lovesexy, Musicology bands were better!

Oh, you're missing quite a few here. Just saying...

please add...these were just a few off the top of my head...

yeah it does, or classism. But it was black folk who popularized the word too, to mean it exactly how people use it. But there was nothing ghetto about Prince.

But I doubt Mark Cardenas is Milking Prince though

purplerabbithole said:

I hate when people throw around the word ghetto like that. a.) people living in the ghetto are not all bad. b.) it has a racist undertone when thrown around like that. C.) Prince was not "ghetto" in some thug-like stereotypical way...

To me, its like calling something you don't like "gay".

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

[Edited 6/24/17 22:46pm]

I believe Mark Cardenas is Native-American

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

macaylasdad said:

feeluupp said:

From 1982 - 1989 World Wide he always went multiplatinum...

1999 - over 6 million

PURPLERAIN - over 25 million

ATWIAD - over 4 million

PARADE - over 4 million

SOTT - over 4 million

LOVESEXY - over 2 million

BATMAN - over 4 million

--------------------------------

DIAMONDS & PEARLS - over 6 million

LOVE SYMBOL - over 2 million

THE HITS 1,2/ THE B-SIDES - over 4 million

MUSICOLOGY - over 3 million

THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - over 3 million

[Edited 6/24/17 20:42pm]

interesting #'s.... would you happen to have sales for NEWS, 3121, HNR 1, HNR2, PE, Lotusflower, Plectrum,AOA??

NEWS is his lowest selling album with sales under 40,000.

3121 went GOLD in the U.S. selling over 650,000 copies.

Lotsflow3r went GOLD in the U.S. selling over 500,000.

The rest of the albums didn't get certified meaning sales way under 500,000 copies.

i love the contributions from Prince's former associates. i think of them as being branches on the Prince tree, new leaves grown from his influence keeping his memory alive through Prince-related work. i think that's the best tribute and homage anyone could ever pay to the man who inspired them. and if they benefit along the way then so much more the better. just my 2c.

feeluupp said:

macaylasdad said:

interesting #'s.... would you happen to have sales for NEWS, 3121, HNR 1, HNR2, PE, Lotusflower, Plectrum,AOA??

NEWS is his lowest selling album with sales under 40,000.

3121 went GOLD in the U.S. selling over 650,000 copies.

Lotsflow3r went GOLD in the U.S. selling over 500,000.

The rest of the albums didn't get certified meaning sales way under 500,000 copies.

Thanks! Interesting that 3121 didnt move more... I think that album was pretty solid...

macaylasdad said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said: Yeah, I'm remotely familiar with their sales figures. Both went platinum. You classify platinum albums by Prince as flops? So what you're saying is that anyone making public statements about Prince who were not part of an album that sold as much as Purple Rain is "milking" Prince. That'd be everyone, including Prince himself.

I never said anything about "platinum"...you did... probably to try to justify it selling allot of albums...but thsee sales were going in the wrong direction... There are select tracks on them that I do like...

If you're going to start a thread here and include an opinion that 2/3 of the albums Prince made with The Revolution were flops, then the burden of proof is on you to show that you're not trolling. That means doing more than asking others for sales figures.

Eric Leeds, part of The Revolution, contributed to NEWS, which sold 1 record for every hundred that ATWIAD and Parade sold. Does that mean Eric is milking Prince's demise? Sales figures from albums released 10, 15, 30 years ago have nothing to do with capitalizing on someone's death or one's ability to publicly remember an artist they played a role with.

By your reasoning, everything Prince released before and after Purple Rain is a "flop." And that's unreasonable.

he could be, he plays for native american groups and so on but I think he' russian. some of the eastern euros have that look. also, he joked when someone pointed out that he was in purple rain that he was "the only white guy in it".

OldFriends4Sale said:

I believe Mark Cardenas is Native-American

PeteSilas said:

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

[Edited 6/25/17 11:51am]

XxAxX said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

I never said anything about "platinum"...you did... probably to try to justify it selling allot of albums...but thsee sales were going in the wrong direction... There are select tracks on them that I do like...

If you're going to start a thread here and include an opinion that 2/3 of the albums Prince made with The Revolution were flops, then the burden of proof is on you to show that you're not trolling. That means doing more than asking others for sales figures.

Eric Leeds, part of The Revolution, contributed to NEWS, which sold 1 record for every hundred that ATWIAD and Parade sold. Does that mean Eric is milking Prince's demise? Sales figures from albums released 10, 15, 30 years ago have nothing to do with capitalizing on someone's death or one's ability to publicly remember an artist they played a role with.

By your reasoning, everything Prince released before and after Purple Rain is a "flop." And that's unreasonable.

well call me lazy then...someone posted sales..not me...i asked if they other sales info...they did and provided...so what's your trip Doz? I merely, said that 2 albums did not sell like PR? In the 'business" world that would be considered a failure? would it not? What I meant by "milking" is some people who haven't been seen/heard in many years now are self proclaimed "friends" of Prince in his final years act like they know him and what he was going through. You dig?

[Edited 6/25/17 14:24pm]

That last name is very Mexican-Native, I looked him up too lol his daughter is pretty talent. They are very deep into the music scene.

LOL not whiter than St Paul. that is weird comment though... Dr Fink Bobby Z(more like Hebro's though), I think St Paul was more visible than Mark throught the movie...And all those

PeteSilas said:

he could be, he plays for native american groups and so on but I think he' russian. some of the eastern euros have that look. also, he joked when someone pointed out that he was in purple rain that he was "the only white guy in it".

OldFriends4Sale said:

I believe Mark Cardenas is Native-American

[Edited 6/25/17 11:51am]

in answer to the op - NOT Nile Rodgers.

ya, chick hunstsberry too and i'm sure the medics were white. but that's what mark said on the day prince died on the topic, i was no more than maybe 10 feet from him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

That last name is very Mexican-Native, I looked him up too lol his daughter is pretty talent. They are very deep into the music scene.

LOL not whiter than St Paul. that is weird comment though... Dr Fink Bobby Z(more like Hebro's though), I think St Paul was more visible than Mark throught the movie...And all those

PeteSilas said:

he could be, he plays for native american groups and so on but I think he' russian. some of the eastern euros have that look. also, he joked when someone pointed out that he was in purple rain that he was "the only white guy in it".

[Edited 6/25/17 11:51am]

VainAndy said:

As far as I'm concerned, none of them are milking Prince in the media enough. If they were, his name would be all over the media and we wouldn't be hearing about bullshit people like Beyonce having twins.....as if I could give less than a damn.

I SO get your point

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

so what's your trip Doz? I merely, said that 2 albums did not sell like PR?

That is not what you said - you said 2 of the albums were flops. Big difference between fact (yes, they sold less than PR, as did every other Prince album and nearly every other album ever recorded by anyone, ever) and opinion ("2 of their albums were flops"). It's an extremely distorted perspective, as is saying that W&L haven't been heard from in years. They had successful solo albums (which sold less than PR, so I assume you would classify them as "flops") and have become very successful scoring television shows in the last decade, and won an Emmy together. Wendy performed with Prince on TV 20 years after the Revolution disbanded. Lisa was with him almost from the beginning. They aren't milking anything - they are playing music they helped create and helping to keep it alive. Even you can appreciate that, if only for the 9 songs they released together that weren't the miserably embarrassing failures you describe 66% of their work to be. [Edited 6/25/17 16:55pm]

well I am glad your up on W&L...I haven't heard anything from them since 1987.... curious though, were they playing Prince's songs before he died?

Flops? I would let to the record companies to decide...oh, as yor requested...did my research...W&L had been through 5 record labels... kind of makes you wonder why doesn't?

macaylasdad said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said: That is not what you said - you said 2 of the albums were flops. Big difference between fact (yes, they sold less than PR, as did every other Prince album and nearly every other album ever recorded by anyone, ever) and opinion ("2 of their albums were flops"). It's an extremely distorted perspective, as is saying that W&L haven't been heard from in years. They had successful solo albums (which sold less than PR, so I assume you would classify them as "flops") and have become very successful scoring television shows in the last decade, and won an Emmy together. Wendy performed with Prince on TV 20 years after the Revolution disbanded. Lisa was with him almost from the beginning. They aren't milking anything - they are playing music they helped create and helping to keep it alive. Even you can appreciate that, if only for the 9 songs they released together that weren't the miserably embarrassing failures you describe 66% of their work to be. [Edited 6/25/17 16:55pm]

well I am glad your up on W&L...I haven't heard anything from them since 1987....

thats becasue youre lame..1987....

jaawwnn said:

Wait, are you trying to make an argument on a Prince website that going though a lot of record labels is a sign of bad music? Even your troll game is weak. [Edited 6/25/17 17:37pm]

very..but look its 3 pages long an a mod is participating

rdhull said:

macaylasdad said:

well I am glad your up on W&L...I haven't heard anything from them since 1987....

thats becasue youre lame..1987....

ooh that hurt....or the quality of W&L music was/is lame...

jaawwnn said:

Wait, are you trying to make an argument on a Prince website that going though a lot of record labels is a sign of bad music? Even your troll game is weak. [Edited 6/25/17 17:37pm]

well...was Prince ever dropped from a label other WB....for poor sales? enlighten me o' great one...

macaylasdad said:

jaawwnn said:

macaylasdad said:

well...was Prince ever dropped from a label other WB....for poor sales? enlighten me o' great one...

Listen to the Wendy and Lisa catalogue and I'll get back to you troll.

you know...i probably should...where do u recommend I start?

[Edited 6/25/17 17:53pm]

macaylasdad said: