No, I was responding to Doozers last line about mycalsdad and his posting history. He has a troll agenda.

PeteSilas said:

huh? Prince didn't do anything good on his own? this is the kind of thing that makes people hate the revolution.

rdhull said:

and look at the ones he created..disgusting (and locked thank god)

oh, i was hoping i missed something.

rdhull said:

No, I was responding to Doozers last line about mycalsdad and his posting history. He has a troll agenda.

PeteSilas said:

huh? Prince didn't do anything good on his own? this is the kind of thing that makes people hate the revolution.

His legacy is best served by letting him serve it. Compilations of live clips and tv specials and documentaries with live performances from his past would really help to bolster his legacy (as well as his bands', because they are also in those clips as well) . The closest thing that we have gotten to that was the clips of Prince on the SNL special tribute (and if I remember correctly, they left out Beautiful. Loved and Blessed in favor of Fred Armistad's impersonations.) His estate should take thei cues from teh Sinatra family. Think about it, Prince is one of the best performers who ever lived as are his bands. But we have to watch others do his songs when if you know where to lose on youtube, you can watch him do it. People don't know where to even start so a nice event on tv with many of those clips should have happened. IF estate can't do it becuase they are too busy paying lawyers to argue about money, than at least his associates can direct people to deep cuts songs they really appreciate.

Susan Rogers is probably doing more for his legacy than she gets credit for because she is discussing his deeper cuts and his methods. She is not playing Purple rain yet again. I think his band members taking the time to peruse his deeper cuts to expose them to less hardcore fans would be bigger testament to his talent than playing the staples over and over again.

Leopard52 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

eh the Legacy dies and fades if people don't talk about it.

Remember, Prince is dead, prior to that was Vanity and 2 month before that Kim Upsher

I want the people who were a part of the music the times the scene to talk. Yes there are some people who did nothing concerning Prince after they left Prince then popped up and are not championing Prince, those people I might take issue with ie Tony M for example

.

But the Revolution, Sheila E, the Time, Susan Rogers? No These people I want talking and doing the music

.

I totally agree! Without his associates talking and doing his music... the legacy will go die too. I don't always like what they say but they lived it, not me.

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Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

on my planet...we don't use words for "grand standers" we just do this...

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have a discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

[Edited 6/24/17 19:15pm]

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol... I am perfectly fine when people disagree... i am not fine when people are a dick about it. Ok, to your point... How many albums did PR sell??? please answer. How many albums did ATWID sell? Please answer. How many albums did Parade sell? Please answer. I am sure your will throw the artistic, ground breaking, trying a new sound. Give units sold.

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

on my planet...we don't use words for "grand standers" we just do this...

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have a discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

[Edited 6/24/17 19:15pm]

plus i take back the middle finger...not nice on my part

macaylasdad said:

macaylasdad said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol... I am perfectly fine when people disagree... i am not fine when people are a dick about it. Ok, to your point... How many albums did PR sell??? please answer. How many albums did ATWID sell? Please answer. How many albums did Parade sell? Please answer. I am sure your will throw the artistic, ground breaking, trying a new sound. Give units sold.

Yeah, I'm remotely familiar with their sales figures. Both went platinum. You classify platinum albums by Prince as flops? So what you're saying is that anyone making public statements about Prince who were not part of an album that sold as much as Purple Rain is "milking" Prince. That'd be everyone, including Prince himself.

ATWIAD & PARADE sold over 4 million each worldwide.

But therein lies the problem. Like I said before in another thread. We fans would have loved for Prince to get his stuff to the masses while he was alive. But Prince seemed to fight against his own legacy. Having his videos removed from sites like Youtube, and then not have a place for people to view his videos, is not a way to preserve nor promote your legacy. He is dead now, so he cannot serve it. And he did not leave a will for anything to be processed.

Two thing we do know is that he wanted Paisley Park to be a place for people to come after he died.
And that he said himself after he's gone the music in the vault will be released.

Watching a video is not the same as fans coming together and dancing and celebrating the music with the people that actually recorded/performed/learned from/travelled/filmed with Prince
U should got to a Sheila E show and Revolution show and a Time show... you are missing out the experience that many of us had and know.

purplerabbithole said:

His legacy is best served by letting him serve it. Compilations of live clips and tv specials and documentaries with live performances from his past would really help to bolster his legacy (as well as his bands', because they are also in those clips as well) . The closest thing that we have gotten to that was the clips of Prince on the SNL special tribute (and if I remember correctly, they left out Beautiful. Loved and Blessed in favor of Fred Armistad's impersonations.) His estate should take thei cues from teh Sinatra family. Think about it, Prince is one of the best performers who ever lived as are his bands. But we have to watch others do his songs when if you know where to lose on youtube, you can watch him do it. People don't know where to even start so a nice event on tv with many of those clips should have happened. IF estate can't do it becuase they are too busy paying lawyers to argue about money, than at least his associates can direct people to deep cuts songs they really appreciate.

Susan Rogers is probably doing more for his legacy than she gets credit for because she is discussing his deeper cuts and his methods. She is not playing Purple rain yet again. I think his band members taking the time to peruse his deeper cuts to expose them to less hardcore fans would be bigger testament to his talent than playing the staples over and over again.

Leopard52 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I totally agree! Without his associates talking and doing his music... the legacy will go die too. I don't always like what they say but they lived it, not me.

[Edited 6/24/17 19:54pm]

feeluupp said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said: Yeah, I'm remotely familiar with their sales figures. Both went platinum. You classify platinum albums by Prince as flops? So what you're saying is that anyone making public statements about Prince who were not part of an album that sold as much as Purple Rain is "milking" Prince. That'd be everyone, including Prince himself.

ATWIAD & PARADE sold over 4 million each worldwide.

From 1982 - 1989 World Wide he always went multiplatinum...

1999 - over 6 million

PURPLERAIN - over 25 million

ATWIAD - over 4 million

PARADE - over 4 million

SOTT - over 4 million

LOVESEXY - over 2 million

BATMAN - over 4 million

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DIAMONDS & PEARLS - over 6 million

LOVE SYMBOL - over 2 million

THE HITS 1,2/ THE B-SIDES - over 4 million

MUSICOLOGY - over 3 million

THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE - over 3 million

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macaylasdad said:

Doozer said:

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have a discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

[Edited 6/24/17 19:15pm]

hahahahaha...almost 30,000 posts since 2002?!?! Oh boy, you must have allot of time on your hands! lol... I am perfectly fine when people disagree... i am not fine when people are a dick about it. Ok, to your point... How many albums did PR sell??? please answer. How many albums did ATWID sell? Please answer. How many albums did Parade sell? Please answer. I am sure your will throw the artistic, ground breaking, trying a new sound. Give units sold.

‘It’s the clearest definition of creative freedom I have ever heard. I was 16 and went to see the film Under The Cherry Moon and fell in love. The soundtrack went from rock to computerized blues to jazz to pop and classical. I grew up listening to jazz and blues, to Ella Fitzgerald and Hendrix and, sure, I loved Bach and Mozart. But prince came along and amalgamated them all. The writing was so descriptive and colourful. I used to stay up and listen to the album over and over again on headphones. When everyone else was outside playing and running on a Saturday afternoon, I’d be locked in my bedroom or sat on my porch listening to the LP, and I’d be immediately transported away from all the problems in my neighbourhood to the French Riviera, where the film was set.

Prince uses so many different vocal tones and that was a real beginning for me. His voice would change to accommodate the story, the lyrics – something I choose to do with my music. Any poet, singer, writer wants to live in the moment of each and every song and this is the method by which to do it. He switches Anotherloverholenyohead to a song like Do U Lie (sings), ‘When I lie awake at night in my boudoir’ and automatically the sun comes out, the rays shine through the window, the room becomes light. The track Christopher Tracey’s Parade taught me a new sense of rhythm. Using a computer he created a different heart rhythm. You don’t listen to that song, you fall inside it and become it. He added car sounds – I mean, who did that in those days? And he sings like he never planned a thing, like they play the music and he’s not sure how it’s going to go he just opens his mouth and starts to sing. It doesn’t feel rehearsed but fresh, full of life.

It’s a classic album and lyrically an inspiration. He’s capable of being a very personal writer but he’s also very skilled. When you listen to the music the picture is always clear, the imagination is provoked – that’s the kind of writer I want to be. Like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, he makes forever music.

The instrumentation is wonderful. He had a computer create the sound but didn’t falsify it by pretending it’s another instrument. He chose to play a computer as itself! His guitar – how he would go from being rock and out there and strong and immediately change the sound to sensitive and loving and soft – that is brilliance. I don’t know if the music was a genuine reflection of a part of his life or a fictional creation, but quite honestly I don’t care because I feel it regardless. I feel blessed just listening to this record.’ -Jill Scott

macaylasdad said:

feeluupp said:

I disagree, right now they are doing the shows and talks for the fans. The people who are grieving the loss of the Artist who was culture to them. They are still in the moment. This process was a celebratory grieving release.

Wendy & Lisa specifically talked about their favorite songs from the LotusFlow3r/Mnplsound set. An they enjoyed certain songs from his 3121 album that they ended up jamming with Prince at his house in 2006 that they ended up performing with him at the 2006 Brit Awards show. Not to mention other songs from his 2000s album they performed with him.

I just think you are expect way to much for them to prove something, that they don't have to. Which is why I don't need them to, because I've already seen and heard the appreciation they have for him over his whole career.

There are fans that are still in the grieving process, it has been a year and a few months since Prince has passed. Many people myself included are still trying to compartmentalize Prince deceased in our world that for a long time consisted of Prince, releasing album doing shows concerts interviews etc

I suspect the Time the Revolution the Famiy Sheila E Jill Jones and other are struggling with the same.

Yeah, um I really think you are being way too nit picky.

Did U see the photos of Wendy Lisa Susannah jamming with Sheila E Rhonda Katt Dyson Cassandra(NPG) in the early 2000s? did you see the photos of Bobby Z hanging out at Paisley Park with Ida Shelby and Blackwell in the latter 2000s Did U c the photo of the 'Prince keyboardists' taken together after Prince died which included Lisa & Dr Fink with NPG members?

purplerabbithole said:

They don't owe me diddly squat. But I don't owe them 10 years worth of research to have an opinon about recent choices they make. I said this in my previous post and I also said they owe Prince the care they took before he died due to the fact that a whole different and broader group of people are now reading their interviews (people who know less and assume quicker). His older fans are not the issue. They aren't doing those interviews for the hardcore fans anyhow. The hardcore fans already know their contributions and will come to the show anyhow.

They could chose to let the record speak for itself (from the previous interviews) and instead discuss the work for its own merit.

Most of the times,in the interviews, they are pretty balanced. It would sound even more balanced if they at least threw a bone to his later work in their concerts ...even just to say that they liked one of his later songs or some melody he developed etc. The fact they won't do that is partly what makes me so nitpicky about their current interviews. I am glad they didn't hire a permanent lead singer, I am glad they are letting the audience take over, I respect that they are losing money, I understand that its not just about Prince but also about their relationship with one another. But the reality is that no matter their intentions, Prince is gone and they are touring without him and only focusing on music they were involved in or they were associated with them. People who didn't know them assuming that this concert is really just about them soaking up the love...why is that so far-fetched of a belief?

We are talking in circles because no matter how balanced they are in interviews, until they acknowledge that his career had some merit after they were gone, its hard for me to not to be overly nitpicky about current interviews. They have their own tastes (and maybe they dislike a majority of his later music, but there has got to be something they liked..talent does't just disappear) Maybe it is too painful for them to look at his later career because he didn't involve them. If that is the reason, I get that. But maybe they should acknowledge that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

U should humbly take your time, and realize, that they owe you nothing because U chose to follow Prince after he died.

They shouldn't have to go into the detail U require to be scrutinized.

PeteSilas said:

Leopard52 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I totally agree! Without his associates talking and doing his music... the legacy will go die too. I don't always like what they say but they lived it, not me.

what did tony m say that wasn't "championing" prince? I only heard one interview and it was pretty good but that's not much to judge on.

My Tony M thing was about possibly Milking
I've read stuff from people who went to a show with him and it seemed it was all about Tony M

EnDoRpHn said:

I have a lot of respect for him as a musician and innovator, but does anyone else find it disturbing that Matt F. played in a Prince tribute band?

Nothing new and no

Wasn't it his group?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think you missing my point. I am not doubting their legitimacy. I am questioning the notion that this isn't largely about them getting credit for all their hard work.

Here is what I am questioning...how could anyone be so luck to have been able to see prince live at the super bowl, one of the best performances in history, but you do not become a fan until he is dead??? does not compute

PurpleRabbithole, you were at the Super Bowl show 2007?

OldFriends4Sale said:

EnDoRpHn said:

I have a lot of respect for him as a musician and innovator, but does anyone else find it disturbing that Matt F. played in a Prince tribute band?

Nothing new and no

Wasn't it his group?

someone here in seattle at a bar mentioned he played there after i played 'i wanna be your lover". i don't see why it's bothersome

on the other side of the coin, i mentioned here last year that mark cardenas, musician for the time also lives here, i saw him play the very day prince died, purple rain and several time songs, he was none too happy about it, he said "let's play some bowie, he died too" but the drummer shut him down saying "let him have his day". Mark, you see, is one of the musicians who Prince rode pretty hard. in the new liner notes, susan tells of how he was ordering mark to use both hands on the keyboard for a melody line, that was prince his thing was "can't no hands be lazy, if there ain't a part make one".

They've already said this many times, that what they are doing right now is about helping fans rejoice and mourn and do it together. To sing the songs etc.
You have to take into account that they are getting their musical sync back together. I would not expect them to be adding a bunch of songs even from their own time to the shows just yet.

Maybe next year they will do something bigger. But right now I think this is fine. There is so much from the 1978-1987 period that they haven't done yet and could.

I would also prefer the NPG group out there(I think they are still out there) do the music from their periods with Prince. That way you have a real good feel of the life of the music that same with the Revolution.

U really should have gone when they were in your area. I don't think it is fair to expect such things without having experience being in a room full of Prince fans celebrating the music.

purplerabbithole said:

• That is exactly what I thought you meant..

• Here's the deal. How fans chose to honor Prince (or Prince and the Revolution) is up to them. We are all interpret things differently. Plus, how can I argue with someone's decision to go see the Revolution if they have invested in Prince for years? If it sounds like that is what I was doing, that is not the intention. I considered going myself despite my reservations. His legacy is in good hands with you guys and a ticket to Revolution isn't going to change that.

• I guess the Revolution touring without him and not throwing a bone to his later work feels like the living embodiment of my concern that his later work will continue to be ignored and unreleased while the short period of the mid -80's will become so overexposed people will just get tired of it (and it will do more good for his collaborators than it does for his career overall). I am not saying they have any intentions for that to happen. (I am just as bad--I bought Purple Rain Deluxe twice --hard copy and I-tunes) I do think most of the interviews about the making of those iconic albums have been mostly balanced. But I nitpick because there is so much that seems to be ignored now about his career as a whole. Also, many of his older collegues in the interviews I have read (recently) talk about what they taught him musically but I don;t see much about what he taught them musically (work ethic and glamour lessons don't count). They talk about his savant-like ability but I am talking about creatively. (Although Lisa did recenty gush about WDC and Darling NIkki..>). And OldFriends4sale probably has older interviews that prove me wrong, but I am just referring to recent interviews.

• I am just asking them to try to continue to be as balanced as possible and to throw a bone to his later work...like Andre Cymone did when he decided to listen to later work he had earlier avoided and perform it..(which felt like a gesture of forgiveness and honor) The Revolution concerts wouldn't bother me at all if that were the case.

• This is Paul McCartney gushing over John LEnnon's Imagine...we know their history (compative at times--John could be an absolute prick sometimes) but Paul wasn't threatened by his friend's later accomplishments being honored even if he had nothing to do with it and even if it was recorded after they painfully split up. (I am not saying Prince has anything quite that iconic after the 80's, but I think it stilll applies. Actually, I think it might apply more since so little of his later work is actually being heard.) the Revolution are really underrated sometimes as the talents they were. But I personally would much rather have a really respectable status/reputation amongst music experts (and be a bit underheard by the populus) than be considered overrated by a significant portion of the population. Its a quick fall off that pedastal.

• https://www.youtube.com/w...SYp3j8MfKQ

NOw I am going to try to bow out of his topic. Anything I say from this point on this thread will just be clarification of my earlier statements and Superbowl stuff.

PeteSilas said:

you might be missing mine, those people were in the trenches with prince, all of them, whether it's andre/brown mark, lisa/dez, they had to sweat for Prince, we all know Prince was extremely demanding, even oppressive so I say if anyone deserves to make a buck it's them, and oh yea, they all have what I would think is true love for the guy. So, god willing, i'll be there to see the revolution next month.

[Edited 6/24/17 14:33pm]

mfw i see these threads

Maybe some day.

I understand what you mean. My ex husband has never been to a rock concert. He used to say " I can watch videos and DVD's; I don;t want to fight the crowd." etc. I remember telling him it was not the same thing. I feel like I lost out seeing Prince doing his thing. Keep in mind that you folks all saw him live. Seeing bands perform without him just doesn't work for me right now.. I feel like I am just missing out on him. I imagine you guys can see the Revolution and then it will remind you of when you saw Prince doing it. Its like an allusion or reference to him. it's shared and communal. To me, it would just be a reminder that I never got to see him.

I know I saw the super bowl and that was an event I will treasure..but remember that was a 12 minute medley and two of the songs weren't his.I don't want a 12 minute medley . I want 12 minutes of the Purple Rain solo.

I guess Prince tried to fight against his legacy online partly because of his artist's rights stubborness, but also I suspect becuase I think he thought it would cloud up his future. It was misguided and maybe the result of insecurity (like people would become complacant and not go see his live work or listen to his later work. he was playing hard to get, testing his fans...Do you really love me?--kind of thing. I remember him saying "I like people but I tend to test them". He wanted the loyal fans; not the fairweather fans. He wanted 1 million loyal fans (perhaps even when they busted his balls), not legions of fans who want to relive the 80's. But had he lived--I'd like to think that eventually he would have embraced his past a bit more and found that "balance"(when it came to the internet) he alluded to in the Arseno Hall show. The Piano and Microphone tour might have been a step in the right direction in terms of honoring his past.

I think we need the live performances sure, but his work needs to be out there. 'Artists rights' are only good for a living artist. Legacy is what matters now.

I sent you an orgnote..read it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But therein lies the problem. Like I said before in another thread. We fans would have loved for Prince to get his stuff to the masses while he was alive. But Prince seemed to fight against his own legacy. Having his videos removed from sites like Youtube, and then not have a place for people to view his videos, is not a way to preserve nor promote your legacy. He is dead now, so he cannot serve it. And he did not leave a will for anything to be processed.

Two thing we do know is that he wanted Paisley Park to be a place for people to come after he died.
And that he said himself after he's gone the music in the vault will be released.

Watching a video is not the same as fans coming together and dancing and celebrating the music with the people that actually recorded/performed/learned from/travelled/filmed with Prince
U should got to a Sheila E show and Revolution show and a Time show... you are missing out the experience that many of us had and know.

purplerabbithole said:

His legacy is best served by letting him serve it. Compilations of live clips and tv specials and documentaries with live performances from his past would really help to bolster his legacy (as well as his bands', because they are also in those clips as well) . The closest thing that we have gotten to that was the clips of Prince on the SNL special tribute (and if I remember correctly, they left out Beautiful. Loved and Blessed in favor of Fred Armistad's impersonations.) His estate should take thei cues from teh Sinatra family. Think about it, Prince is one of the best performers who ever lived as are his bands. But we have to watch others do his songs when if you know where to lose on youtube, you can watch him do it. People don't know where to even start so a nice event on tv with many of those clips should have happened. IF estate can't do it becuase they are too busy paying lawyers to argue about money, than at least his associates can direct people to deep cuts songs they really appreciate.

Susan Rogers is probably doing more for his legacy than she gets credit for because she is discussing his deeper cuts and his methods. She is not playing Purple rain yet again. I think his band members taking the time to peruse his deeper cuts to expose them to less hardcore fans would be bigger testament to his talent than playing the staples over and over again.

[Edited 6/24/17 19:54pm]

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

PeteSilas said:

on the other side of the coin, i mentioned here last year that mark cardenas, musician for the time also lives here, i saw him play the very day prince died, purple rain and several time songs, he was none too happy about it, he said "let's play some bowie, he died too" but the drummer shut him down saying "let him have his day". Mark, you see, is one of the musicians who Prince rode pretty hard. in the new liner notes, susan tells of how he was ordering mark to use both hands on the keyboard for a melody line, that was prince his thing was "can't no hands be lazy, if there ain't a part make one".

Correction...NO, I was at the Superbowl and saw the half time show..I have never seen a full length live concert of PRince's...

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said: Here is what I am questioning...how could anyone be so luck to have been able to see prince live at the super bowl, one of the best performances in history, but you do not become a fan until he is dead??? does not compute

PurpleRabbithole, you were at the Super Bowl show 2007?

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[Edited 6/24/17 21:46pm]

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nothing new and no

Wasn't it his group?

someone here in seattle at a bar mentioned he played there after i played 'i wanna be your lover". i don't see why it's bothersome

not bothersome to me either

purplerabbithole said:

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

PeteSilas said:

on the other side of the coin, i mentioned here last year that mark cardenas, musician for the time also lives here, i saw him play the very day prince died, purple rain and several time songs, he was none too happy about it, he said "let's play some bowie, he died too" but the drummer shut him down saying "let him have his day". Mark, you see, is one of the musicians who Prince rode pretty hard. in the new liner notes, susan tells of how he was ordering mark to use both hands on the keyboard for a melody line, that was prince his thing was "can't no hands be lazy, if there ain't a part make one".

There's nothing hateful about it. As a bandleader you always want to push your performers to give and do their best. I wouldn't tolerate lazy playing either.

I am not talking about Prince being harsh. I am talking about mark being harsh.

lezama said:

purplerabbithole said:

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

There's nothing hateful about it. As a bandleader you always want to push your performers to give and do their best. I wouldn't tolerate lazy playing either.

purplerabbithole said:

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

PeteSilas said:

on the other side of the coin, i mentioned here last year that mark cardenas, musician for the time also lives here, i saw him play the very day prince died, purple rain and several time songs, he was none too happy about it, he said "let's play some bowie, he died too" but the drummer shut him down saying "let him have his day". Mark, you see, is one of the musicians who Prince rode pretty hard. in the new liner notes, susan tells of how he was ordering mark to use both hands on the keyboard for a melody line, that was prince his thing was "can't no hands be lazy, if there ain't a part make one".

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

I hate when people throw around the word ghetto like that. a.) people living in the ghetto are not all bad. b.) it has a racist undertone when thrown around like that. C.) Prince was not "ghetto" in some thug-like stereotypical way...

To me, its like calling something you don't like "gay".

purplerabbithole said:

WOW, that's harsh. Even if he hated him, that's some BS

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

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i was surprised, prince was a lot of things but I never thought of him as ghetto, in fact, in those years he reminded me of the kind of black guys who hung with white boys, just didn't sound black at all when he spoke.

purplerabbithole said:

I hate when people throw around the word ghetto like that. a.) people living in the ghetto are not all bad. b.) it has a racist undertone when thrown around like that. C.) Prince was not "ghetto" in some thug-like stereotypical way...

To me, its like calling something you don't like "gay".

ya, it seems it's unresolved, i emailed him about 7 years ago in some talk about working with him (he rejected me) but I asked him about Prince, he had nothing good to say but wasn't specific other than calling Prince 'ghetto' and saying he ripped off people's ideas. He is a white guy though I think, you know not everybody can handle the black way of doing things, shit talking etc.., and I don't really know what his musical background is but if he comes from any kind of classical background, i could see Prince being totally different than what he was used to. Still, mark is a fine musician, much better than myself for sure.

[Edited 6/24/17 22:46pm]