LBrent said:

LMAO

I won't insult you by assuming that you're young, but in grown folks' world this is what's know as effing with your ex.

See, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

When you're truly indifferent and have "moved on" you're not interested in whatever your ex is doing, even if "the coat is mine".

Anyway, he left the stuff, by law she owned the stuff...4/21...so now she really owns the stuff without anyone to dispute it, sooooo...

Personally, I hope she does a photoshoot wearing every single solitary piece of that the stuff and sells the resulting pictures as a coffee table book, donating all the profits to Gia's college fund.

She could have it ready for this XMas.

But I'm just petty like dat.

That would be great Christmas gifts to give to. Good Idea LBrent!

206Michelle said:

It is possible Prince lay the ashes to rest by a lake or in the woods, someplace on his property and just had the urn burned. He may have wanted to hurt Mayte by lying about something sure to hurt her bad. Mayte may not know the truth about what happened. The assistant wouldn't know whether the urn contained the ashes or not. In this case think the best about him.

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

But again, she didn't hold up for herself. I would've been in MN in nothing flat. Demanding answers. Although she didn't find out about until years later..I still would've been in MN.

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I think there were several situations where she could've asserted herself that may have made a difference.

And this is what I want to know. WHY didn't see demand answers out of him about the ashes? When she asked him about the ashes, what did he say to her?

I don't know if she did ask him about the ashes.

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

Last night I watched the HLN special Prince: 1 year. Mayte was on for the entire 30 minute show. The interviewer asked her about the ashes, she said that yes they are gone Prince had them thrown in the fire. She said that she was so pissed when she heard that and it took a long while to come to terms with it, but now she has moved on. Also the code to the vault was her measurements. I'm sure it has since been changed. LOL

I hope the HLN special repeats because I missed it.

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It really upsets me that he had someone incinerate his son's ashes. I understand it may have been painful for him to have those ashes, but he could have just as easily "gotten rid of the ashes" by giving the ashes to Mayte and the effect would have been the same...he wouldn't have had to see them again.

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Having Amiir's ashes burned probably upsets me more than his infidelity, or anything else he has ever done. I don't like that he burned Amiir's clothes, books, and other items. It would have been nice if he could have donated those to someone in need, but I can give him a pass for burning those items.

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Burning Amiir's ashes just comes across to me as really disrespectful, as if the remains of his son were trash. No, human remains are not trash. His son existed and his remains deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect. That was his child! And having someone throw Amiir's remains in the fire is very disrespectful to Mayte because he never considered her wishes regarding Amiir's remains. I wonder where Mayte was when Prince had the remains burned. Was she in Spain?

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I wonder if Prince ever regretted burning Amiir's ashes. I hope that he did. I don't wish generally wish ill things upon people. However, I find it such a despicable act to burn the urn of your son's ashes that I hope it bothered him, I hope it kept him up at night, and I hope he regretted it for the rest of his life. I really do. I wonder if destroying his son's ashes caused him emotional pain at the end of his life. I hope that it did. I love the man, but having his son's ashes thrown into a fire was so wrong. I'm shaking my head as I type this. Like, there are no words to describe how wrong that is to me. I can't even wrap my head around someone doing what he did to his son's remains.

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I agree with you Michelle, I think it's shameful. Amiir was a human being, it was and is so disrespectful. And also the person he had to do this. WTH. Again, if I was the person I'd told him to do his dirty work himself, job or no job. And if rumors are true that it happened in Larry Grahams backyard. WTF? It's just wrong of everybody involved.

I really don't know why everyone is making excuses for Prince for what he did to the ashes. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

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I still love the man and his music, but damn this is down right hideous.

I don't believe any of the details Mayte was told about the burning of her and the baby's belongings because I believe Manuela is the one who told her, with the express purpose of hurting Mayte.

There's an old saying...A liar will steal and a thief will kill.

Manuela has proven herself untrustworthy and deceitful and lacking integrity and morals, sooooooo...

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LBrent said:

There is also a case for argument that if P was so "over it after 20 years", why have anyone, including his attorney, contact Mayte over outfits that he had clearly left behind during his fleeing the relationship when 20 years earlier he had ordered "everything destroyed that reminded him of the relationship".

Imagine your ex, after 20 years, inquiring about the sweats he/she had worn when lounging on the couch with you watching NetFlix and chillin.

Hmmmmmmm...

LBrent, I totally agree with you.

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I think Prince liked to THINK that he moved on from things and got over things. But the more I learn about him, and how screwed up he was inside due to his abandonment/attachment/trust issues, the more that I think he didn't get over things. Mayte says in the book that moving on was his defense mechanism of choice, or something to that effect. He may have tried to get over things, but he didn't. He may have told people in interviews, "I don't talk about the past, I don't think about the past," but he had to think about the past because he was human. We all think about the past. He was a very reflective, introspective person, and I have to believe that he thought about the past, even if he didn't want to do so.

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The single greatest loss he experienced in his life was the death of his son. I have believed for a while (for at least 6 months) that he was still in pain over the death of his son, and that it caused him emotional pain at the end of his life. I believe this because I know several people who have lost children and the loss stays with them, even if they "move on" with their lives. Losing a loved one is always hard, but it's easier when the person is old and has lived a long life. With time, it may be easier to go about one's life after losing a child, but life is never the same. The wound of the loss never fully heals.

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I think Mayte is exactly right when she says about the loss of their son, "I don't think he ever got over it," because NO ONE EVER GETS OVER LOSING A CHILD! People move on in the sense that they move forward in their lives by continuing on with living. But parents who have lost children don't forget those children. The loss of a child stays with you like baggage. It's a wound that never fully heals. It may become easier to deal with the loss over time, especially if you have other children, but the loss never goes away.

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I wonder if, for Prince, the loss of his son actually got worse with time because he never had any other children. This man was so excited to be a father. We read Mayte's description of how devoted he was when Amiir was alive. It was almost like for Prince, being a father was his chance to redeem himself, to be the kind of parent that his parents never were to him. But he only experienced fatherhood for 6 days. He never got to have the house full of children that he said that he wanted, the children crawling all over him, the kids playing in that play room at Paisley Park.

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I wonder if part of the reason for having younger women around him, even in his later years, was that he was still hoping for one of these relationships to work out so that he could have a child/children.

moonsister said:

206Michelle said:

I hope the HLN special repeats because I missed it.

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It really upsets me that he had someone incinerate his son's ashes. I understand it may have been painful for him to have those ashes, but he could have just as easily "gotten rid of the ashes" by giving the ashes to Mayte and the effect would have been the same...he wouldn't have had to see them again.

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Having Amiir's ashes burned probably upsets me more than his infidelity, or anything else he has ever done. I don't like that he burned Amiir's clothes, books, and other items. It would have been nice if he could have donated those to someone in need, but I can give him a pass for burning those items.

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Burning Amiir's ashes just comes across to me as really disrespectful, as if the remains of his son were trash. No, human remains are not trash. His son existed and his remains deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect. That was his child! And having someone throw Amiir's remains in the fire is very disrespectful to Mayte because he never considered her wishes regarding Amiir's remains. I wonder where Mayte was when Prince had the remains burned. Was she in Spain?

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I wonder if Prince ever regretted burning Amiir's ashes. I hope that he did. I don't wish generally wish ill things upon people. However, I find it such a despicable act to burn the urn of your son's ashes that I hope it bothered him, I hope it kept him up at night, and I hope he regretted it for the rest of his life. I really do. I wonder if destroying his son's ashes caused him emotional pain at the end of his life. I hope that it did. I love the man, but having his son's ashes thrown into a fire was so wrong. I'm shaking my head as I type this. Like, there are no words to describe how wrong that is to me. I can't even wrap my head around someone doing what he did to his son's remains.

[Edited 4/22/17 22:08pm]

It is possible Prince lay the ashes to rest by a lake or in the woods, someplace on his property and just had the urn burned. He may have wanted to hurt Mayte by lying about something sure to hurt her bad. Mayte may not know the truth about what happened. The assistant wouldn't know whether the urn contained the ashes or not. In this case think the best about him.

I would rather know the truth than make myself feel better by believing an illusion.

206Michelle said:

moonsister said:

206Michelle said: It is possible Prince lay the ashes to rest by a lake or in the woods, someplace on his property and just had the urn burned. He may have wanted to hurt Mayte by lying about something sure to hurt her bad. Mayte may not know the truth about what happened. The assistant wouldn't know whether the urn contained the ashes or not. In this case think the best about him.

I would rather know the truth than make myself feel better by believing an illusion.

How can you incinerate ashes? They're already incinerated!

PennyPurple said:

Identity said:

My God, I don't know if I could ever forgive someone for committing such a cold-hearted act.

But again, she didn't hold up for herself. I would've been in MN in nothing flat. Demanding answers. Although she didn't find out about until years later..I still would've been in MN.

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I think there were several situations where she could've asserted herself that may have made a difference.

I doubt anybody could demand Prince whatever. Especially not during that period of time.

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

There is also a case for argument that if P was so "over it after 20 years", why have anyone, including his attorney, contact Mayte over outfits that he had clearly left behind during his fleeing the relationship when 20 years earlier he had ordered "everything destroyed that reminded him of the relationship".

Imagine your ex, after 20 years, inquiring about the sweats he/she had worn when lounging on the couch with you watching NetFlix and chillin.

Hmmmmmmm...

LBrent, I totally agree with you.

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I think Prince liked to THINK that he moved on from things and got over things. But the more I learn about him, and how screwed up he was inside due to his abandonment/attachment/trust issues, the more that I think he didn't get over things. Mayte says in the book that moving on was his defense mechanism of choice, or something to that effect. He may have tried to get over things, but he didn't. He may have told people in interviews, "I don't talk about the past, I don't think about the past," but he had to think about the past because he was human. We all think about the past. He was a very reflective, introspective person, and I have to believe that he thought about the past, even if he didn't want to do so.

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The single greatest loss he experienced in his life was the death of his son. I have believed for a while (for at least 6 months) that he was still in pain over the death of his son, and that it caused him emotional pain at the end of his life. I believe this because I know several people who have lost children and the loss stays with them, even if they "move on" with their lives. Losing a loved one is always hard, but it's easier when the person is old and has lived a long life. With time, it may be easier to go about one's life after losing a child, but life is never the same. The wound of the loss never fully heals.

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I think Mayte is exactly right when she says about the loss of their son, "I don't think he ever got over it," because NO ONE EVER GETS OVER LOSING A CHILD! People move on in the sense that they move forward in their lives by continuing on with living. But parents who have lost children don't forget those children. The loss of a child stays with you like baggage. It's a wound that never fully heals. It may become easier to deal with the loss over time, especially if you have other children, but the loss never goes away.

.

I wonder if, for Prince, the loss of his son actually got worse with time because he never had any other children. This man was so excited to be a father. We read Mayte's description of how devoted he was when Amiir was alive. It was almost like for Prince, being a father was his chance to redeem himself, to be the kind of parent that his parents never were to him. But he only experienced fatherhood for 6 days. He never got to have the house full of children that he said that he wanted, the children crawling all over him, the kids playing in that play room at Paisley Park.

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I wonder if part of the reason for having younger women around him, even in his later years, was that he was still hoping for one of these relationships to work out so that he could have a child/children.

I think this is interesting, because by most accounts, P wasn't actually very introspective outside of making work - which I think is in some ways pretty odd, considering he was obviously a very emotional and sensitive person - but I think he did all of his emotional processing through songwriting and playing, and not very much outside...which is to say, I really believe him when he says he didn't think about the past much...moving forward all the time, and working almost all the time were, as Mayte suggests, his defence mechanisms of choice. However, things in your past still affect you deeply even when you don't think about them, and often, not thinking about them means they affect you more, in ways of which you are not conscious, and their not being processed properly or fully can also lead to various symptoms...which I think is what P experienced as his dark side. As most of us seem to agree, the abandonment continued to affect him his entire life, although it seems he never actively thought about it much at all, which was exactly the problem...and I agree with you, the loss of Amiir stayed with him too, and again, because it wasn't fully processed (not that processing it ever makes it not hurt, but it can be integrated in a way that means it doesn't produce so many symptoms), quite possibly in a way that was quite damaging to him. To an extent, had P been able to process it properly, he could have gone on to have children, either through adoption, or, if it was established what was causing the genetic problem, through IVF (although his religious beliefs might not have allowed that, but then again, had he processed the loss differently, he might not have ended up with such beliefs)...what is so sad is that it seems it was so painful to him that he wasn't able to work through it enough to get to that stage...and having children would have changed so much for him, because he evidently really wanted them, and because in some sense I think he wanted to lay the injuries of his childhood to rest by giving a child the kind of unconditional love and support he had been denied (and who knows how his own issues would have impacted that, but the man had a heart the size of a planet, and I am sure he would have been an incredibly loving (if somewhat idiosyncratic and perhaps overly controlling) father).

LBrent said:

There is also a case for argument that if P was so "over it after 20 years", why have anyone, including his attorney, contact Mayte over outfits that he had clearly left behind during his fleeing the relationship when 20 years earlier he had ordered "everything destroyed that reminded him of the relationship".

Imagine your ex, after 20 years, inquiring about the sweats he/she had worn when lounging on the couch with you watching NetFlix and chillin.

Hmmmmmmm...

Right. Was watching these interviews with the Revolution last night https://www.yahoo.com/mus...24354.html - they're great, I really love those guys - and at some point they talk about the end of the band, and how he basically pushed them away, and then they go on to talk about how he continued to send little smoke signals for the next however many years, all like, 'hey why aren't you guys here.' Oh P....

jayseajay said:

LBrent said:

There is also a case for argument that if P was so "over it after 20 years", why have anyone, including his attorney, contact Mayte over outfits that he had clearly left behind during his fleeing the relationship when 20 years earlier he had ordered "everything destroyed that reminded him of the relationship".

Imagine your ex, after 20 years, inquiring about the sweats he/she had worn when lounging on the couch with you watching NetFlix and chillin.

Hmmmmmmm...

Right. Was watching these interviews with the Revolution last night https://www.yahoo.com/mus...24354.html - they're great, I really love those guys - and at some point they talk about the end of the band, and how he basically pushed them away, and then they go on to talk about how he continued to send little smoke signals for the next however many years, all like, 'hey why aren't you guys here.' Oh P....

I loved listening to them describe him as being Not Human..How they realised there was HIM and there was them....How he was light years ahead...

really fantastic...heartwarming

and yeah the Pushing them away...they understood that he had to move on..

but I think the smoke signals were about "hey I still love you"

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

Yeah, April 21st never happened. Hmmmmmmm

Also, wasn't she supposed to give them a list?

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LMAO

I won't insult you by assuming that you're young, but in grown folks' world this is what's know as effing with your ex.

See, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

When you're truly indifferent and have "moved on" you're not interested in whatever your ex is doing, even if "the coat is mine".

Anyway, he left the stuff, by law she owned the stuff...4/21...so now she really owns the stuff without anyone to dispute it, sooooo...

Personally, I hope she does a photoshoot wearing every single solitary piece of that the stuff and sells the resulting pictures as a coffee table book, donating all the profits to Gia's college fund.

She could have it ready for this XMas.

But I'm just petty like dat.

Yep, 20 years of his indifference still isn't apparent to ya'll. You are right - she was effing with her ex, again. You've got a promising career ahead of yourself as a circus clown 'cause every time you reach, you end up tripping all over yourself. Which reminds me - P is known for his sense of humour and wit. Pranks like serving his bandmates Smoothies in roller skates or having Questlove play Finding Nemo at his party. Can anyone find ONE story in the 304 pages where she even mentions a funny story or comment he made? Anyone...anyone...Bueller??

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

LMAO

I won't insult you by assuming that you're young, but in grown folks' world this is what's know as effing with your ex.

See, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

When you're truly indifferent and have "moved on" you're not interested in whatever your ex is doing, even if "the coat is mine".

Anyway, he left the stuff, by law she owned the stuff...4/21...so now she really owns the stuff without anyone to dispute it, sooooo...

Personally, I hope she does a photoshoot wearing every single solitary piece of that the stuff and sells the resulting pictures as a coffee table book, donating all the profits to Gia's college fund.

She could have it ready for this XMas.

But I'm just petty like dat.

Yep, 20 years of his indifference still isn't apparent to ya'll. You are right - she was effing with her ex, again. You've got a promising career ahead of yourself as a circus clown 'cause every time you reach, you end up tripping all over yourself. Which reminds me - P is known for his sense of humour and wit. Pranks like serving his bandmates Smoothies in roller skates or having Questlove play Finding Nemo at his party. Can anyone find ONE story in the 304 pages where she even mentions a funny story or comment he made? Anyone...anyone...Bueller??

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

jayseajay said:

LBrent said:

There is also a case for argument that if P was so "over it after 20 years", why have anyone, including his attorney, contact Mayte over outfits that he had clearly left behind during his fleeing the relationship when 20 years earlier he had ordered "everything destroyed that reminded him of the relationship".

Imagine your ex, after 20 years, inquiring about the sweats he/she had worn when lounging on the couch with you watching NetFlix and chillin.

Hmmmmmmm...

Right. Was watching these interviews with the Revolution last night https://www.yahoo.com/mus...24354.html - they're great, I really love those guys - and at some point they talk about the end of the band, and how he basically pushed them away, and then they go on to talk about how he continued to send little smoke signals for the next however many years, all like, 'hey why aren't you guys here.' Oh P....

Aw. He was so "over" folks that he kept checking for them for the rest of his life.

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

Yep, 20 years of his indifference still isn't apparent to ya'll. You are right - she was effing with her ex, again. You've got a promising career ahead of yourself as a circus clown 'cause every time you reach, you end up tripping all over yourself. Which reminds me - P is known for his sense of humour and wit. Pranks like serving his bandmates Smoothies in roller skates or having Questlove play Finding Nemo at his party. Can anyone find ONE story in the 304 pages where she even mentions a funny story or comment he made? Anyone...anyone...Bueller??

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

Gee, you must have read a different book. Let's see, M1 trying to get P's attention: 3 years of HE (2012), Drawergate, a garage sale on FB, announcing a "tell-all" book in 2015 and an auction in March, 2016. P ressponded with "Ain't Gonna Miss U When U're Gone" (late 2012) and calls to his lawyer. I can see how that would be confusing behavior to someone still married to him "in her mind". Judging from her numerous conflicting stories and interviews, it sounds like she has dementia. Perhaps, as a nurse, you can help her with that before you switch careers?

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

Gee, you must have read a different book. Let's see, M1 trying to get P's attention: 3 years of HE (2012), Drawergate, a garage sale on FB, announcing a "tell-all" book in 2015 and an auction in March, 2016. P ressponded with "Ain't Gonna Miss U When U're Gone" (late 2012) and calls to his lawyer. I can see how that would be confusing behavior to someone still married to him "in her mind". Judging from her numerous conflicting stories and interviews, it sounds like she has dementia. Perhaps, as a nurse, you can help her with that before you switch careers?

Yup, I must have.

Percepton is reality and all dat right dere.

You win. Yay, you!

I'd love to continue, but...well...how do I put this politely?

I'm bored and don' wanna...so enjoy.

Abientot

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

Yep, 20 years of his indifference still isn't apparent to ya'll. You are right - she was effing with her ex, again. You've got a promising career ahead of yourself as a circus clown 'cause every time you reach, you end up tripping all over yourself. Which reminds me - P is known for his sense of humour and wit. Pranks like serving his bandmates Smoothies in roller skates or having Questlove play Finding Nemo at his party. Can anyone find ONE story in the 304 pages where she even mentions a funny story or comment he made? Anyone...anyone...Bueller??

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

Damn straight, they give me the frickin willies. One thing I never got with with P was all those freaky harlequins...

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

Gee, you must have read a different book. Let's see, M1 trying to get P's attention: 3 years of HE (2012), Drawergate, a garage sale on FB, announcing a "tell-all" book in 2015 and an auction in March, 2016. P ressponded with "Ain't Gonna Miss U When U're Gone" (late 2012) and calls to his lawyer. I can see how that would be confusing behavior to someone still married to him "in her mind". Judging from her numerous conflicting stories and interviews, it sounds like she has dementia. Perhaps, as a nurse, you can help her with that before you switch careers?

Y'know, if the people suggesting that Mayte is some kind of lying crazy bitch didn't go round slinging plain bitchy insults at other women they might be damn sight more convincing. The tone of your judgments say more about you than anyone you are judging. P was bang on about that. And tell yourself whatever you like about defending him or whathaveyou. But seriously, think, for one single second, about who the man you think you are defending actually was, and the values he espoused. The world is a cruel enough place as it is. There is no reason to add to it.

jayseajay said:

LBrent said:

Several...[wait for it]...[ya know where this is headed]...[almost there]...[just a bit further]...

They're in the book.

BTW, I'm a retired nurse and have been considering a second career...Mebbe I can...Nah, clowns are creepy and scary.

Damn straight, they give me the frickin willies. One thing I never got with with P was all those freaky harlequins...

The faces of Comedy and Tragedy.

He said during one of the Oprah interviews that he thought that they had known each other in another life

lotusflower0000 said:

LBrent said:

You read my mind!

Yes! *Sigh* I don't know... I think that age gap was a serious thing (meaning that he had a strong hold on Mayte) but we'll get to that later. She did mention in chapter one, however that she still believed that her and Prince had known eachother in a past lifetime. Do you guys think he really believed that himself?!

jayseajay said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, I totally agree with you.

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I think Prince liked to THINK that he moved on from things and got over things. But the more I learn about him, and how screwed up he was inside due to his abandonment/attachment/trust issues, the more that I think he didn't get over things. Mayte says in the book that moving on was his defense mechanism of choice, or something to that effect. He may have tried to get over things, but he didn't. He may have told people in interviews, "I don't talk about the past, I don't think about the past," but he had to think about the past because he was human. We all think about the past. He was a very reflective, introspective person, and I have to believe that he thought about the past, even if he didn't want to do so.

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The single greatest loss he experienced in his life was the death of his son. I have believed for a while (for at least 6 months) that he was still in pain over the death of his son, and that it caused him emotional pain at the end of his life. I believe this because I know several people who have lost children and the loss stays with them, even if they "move on" with their lives. Losing a loved one is always hard, but it's easier when the person is old and has lived a long life. With time, it may be easier to go about one's life after losing a child, but life is never the same. The wound of the loss never fully heals.

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I think Mayte is exactly right when she says about the loss of their son, "I don't think he ever got over it," because NO ONE EVER GETS OVER LOSING A CHILD! People move on in the sense that they move forward in their lives by continuing on with living. But parents who have lost children don't forget those children. The loss of a child stays with you like baggage. It's a wound that never fully heals. It may become easier to deal with the loss over time, especially if you have other children, but the loss never goes away.

.

I wonder if, for Prince, the loss of his son actually got worse with time because he never had any other children. This man was so excited to be a father. We read Mayte's description of how devoted he was when Amiir was alive. It was almost like for Prince, being a father was his chance to redeem himself, to be the kind of parent that his parents never were to him. But he only experienced fatherhood for 6 days. He never got to have the house full of children that he said that he wanted, the children crawling all over him, the kids playing in that play room at Paisley Park.

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I wonder if part of the reason for having younger women around him, even in his later years, was that he was still hoping for one of these relationships to work out so that he could have a child/children.

I think this is interesting, because by most accounts, P wasn't actually very introspective outside of making work - which I think is in some ways pretty odd, considering he was obviously a very emotional and sensitive person - but I think he did all of his emotional processing through songwriting and playing, and not very much outside...which is to say, I really believe him when he says he didn't think about the past much...moving forward all the time, and working almost all the time were, as Mayte suggests, his defence mechanisms of choice. However, things in your past still affect you deeply even when you don't think about them, and often, not thinking about them means they affect you more, in ways of which you are not conscious, and their not being processed properly or fully can also lead to various symptoms...which I think is what P experienced as his dark side. As most of us seem to agree, the abandonment continued to affect him his entire life, although it seems he never actively thought about it much at all, which was exactly the problem...and I agree with you, the loss of Amiir stayed with him too, and again, because it wasn't fully processed (not that processing it ever makes it not hurt, but it can be integrated in a way that means it doesn't produce so many symptoms), quite possibly in a way that was quite damaging to him. To an extent, had P been able to process it properly, he could have gone on to have children, either through adoption, or, if it was established what was causing the genetic problem, through IVF (although his religious beliefs might not have allowed that, but then again, had he processed the loss differently, he might not have ended up with such beliefs)...what is so sad is that it seems it was so painful to him that he wasn't able to work through it enough to get to that stage...and having children would have changed so much for him, because he evidently really wanted them, and because in some sense I think he wanted to lay the injuries of his childhood to rest by giving a child the kind of unconditional love and support he had been denied (and who knows how his own issues would have impacted that, but the man had a heart the size of a planet, and I am sure he would have been an incredibly loving (if somewhat idiosyncratic and perhaps overly controlling) father).

jayseajay, I think you are right that he was very introspective in his music. I think that he was also introspective about his music. But outside of his music, I have to agree with you, that he was not very introspective. Introspective means "the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes." I should not have used the word introspective. Maybe thoughtful would have been a better choice because he was very thoughtful. Thoughtful means "absorbed in or involving thought," "showing consideration for the needs of other people," and "showing careful consideration or attention."

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For example, he did some interviews with Tavis Smiley, and in those interviews, he's very thoughtful. Here's a transcript of an interview that they did from 2004: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/t...d-prince/. In the book, there are a few notes he wrote to Mayte in which he sounds introspective, namely the notes on pp. 134-135 (the note in which he writes " will never leave u"), pp. 158-159, and pp. 162-163. But like I said, I agree with you that except thoughtful is a better word to describe him than introspective, because he was mainly introspective in or about his music, not outside of it.

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I agree with you that the loss of Amiir was so painful for him that it appears he wasn't able to work through his grief or process what happened. Ultimately, he came to believe that Amiir's death was a punishment for his behavior as a younger man (as Mayte describes on p. 250). IN other words, he blamed himself for his son's death.

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My own feeling is that he may not have been open to the idea of IVF. I don't think this is even just a religious issue, but has a lot to do with his views about doctors and medicine as well. The Jehovah's Witnesses do not oppose IVF. According to jw.org, the key point that the JW faith has about IVF is that "Christians facing this decision will be responsible before God to use their Bible-trained conscience" (https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20121215/view-of-in-vitro-fertilization/). So, the JW faith doesn't oppose IVF but provides some guidelines as to how JWs should proceed with IVF. This webpage does indicate that the JW faith does oppose reproductive technologies like embryo adoption and the use of a surrogate for carrying a pregnancy.

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It's a shame that he wasn't willing to consider adoption. I've been on threads on this website where other orgers have argued that Prince would not have been a good father. I disagree with these people. I think Mayte's descriptions of him in chapter 9 prove that he was a great father. And I totally agree with you that I think he would have been an excellent father because he was, at heart, a very loving and generous person. It makes me sad that his time as a father was so short. I believe that he would have been a wonderful father and that fatherhood would have been a good experience for him.

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

LMAO

I won't insult you by assuming that you're young, but in grown folks' world this is what's know as effing with your ex.

See, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

When you're truly indifferent and have "moved on" you're not interested in whatever your ex is doing, even if "the coat is mine".

Anyway, he left the stuff, by law she owned the stuff...4/21...so now she really owns the stuff without anyone to dispute it, sooooo...

Personally, I hope she does a photoshoot wearing every single solitary piece of that the stuff and sells the resulting pictures as a coffee table book, donating all the profits to Gia's college fund.

She could have it ready for this XMas.

But I'm just petty like dat.

Yep, 20 years of his indifference still isn't apparent to ya'll. You are right - she was effing with her ex, again. You've got a promising career ahead of yourself as a circus clown 'cause every time you reach, you end up tripping all over yourself. Which reminds me - P is known for his sense of humour and wit. Pranks like serving his bandmates Smoothies in roller skates or having Questlove play Finding Nemo at his party. Can anyone find ONE story in the 304 pages where she even mentions a funny story or comment he made? Anyone...anyone...Bueller??

There are plenty. p. 188, when they share their happiness over her growing breasts. (I thought this story was so funny.) On p. 196, he would wear her pregnancy sweaters. On p. 207, clowns around with Mayte after she has her epidural, while he is wearing the surgical mask, and she tells him to stop making her laugh. And the stories she tells about him taking her clothes, those are funny.

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206Michelle said:

She had a phone call with Prince in which they talked about her sagging boobs, but she never in 20 years asked him about their sons ashes. If she had said, i spoke to Prince and asked him and he confirmed..
.well then..but she is still going on information the friend told her and repeating it on T.V.

She is coming from a loving place.

PennyPurple said:

So we are done with the book and here are some questions.

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1. Did you all enjoy reading the book?

2. Did you learn anything new about Prince?

3. Do you think that this book hurt his legacy any?

I never answered this, so I will now. I know I'm a little late.

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1. I enjoyed reading the book immensely. I experienced a lot of emotions reading it, but I think it is very well-written. This is the first book that I have read for pleasure in at least a year. I read books at work and for work, but it's been a while since I read a book this long for pleasure.

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2. Yes, I learned a lot about Mayte. And I learned a lot about Prince. I didn't know about the following aspects of his life until I read this book: the foo foo master, the hypnotic conversations, that he ordered a half-million $ in flowers for their wedding and rode to the wedding in the back of the flower van, that he and Mayte knew each other for 3 years before having sex (I thought it was earlier), that his father didn't come to his wedding, that he spent so much money sending her tapes via FedEx, that he blamed himself for Amiir's death (he saw it as a punishment from God for his behavior as a younger man), and that he was seeing Mani while still married to Mayte (there was speculation about this on the org, but it was speculation).

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I learned more about the annullment situation, and what I learned has allowed me to come to the conclusion that made up the annullment himself.

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I came to a better understanding of his trust/abandonment/attachment issues. I got some clarification about the circumstances surrounding the Oprah appearance and the "Betcha By Golly Wow" video.

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The most significant information that I learned about Prince was how he behaved as a father. Mayte's descriptions of the unconditional love, devotion, and selflessness he showed while she was pregnant and during Amiir's short life are (I've said it before and I'll say it again) quite possibly the most magnificent, heartwarming, and flattering descriptions I have ever read about the man. Through Mayte's descriptions of him as a husband and father, I was able to "see" Prince at his very best as a human being.

No one needs to tell me about how good of a musician/artist he was...his work speaks for itself. But I feel that what she shared about him as a husband-father was very significant, particularly because these descriptions of him as a husband-father were new to the world.

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I also learned some information about him that makes me sad and angry, particularly what he did to Amiir's ashes. I think that having Amiir's ashes incinerated was the single most sinful, wrong action he ever did in his life. I already made another post about this, so I don't feel the need to elaborate further on how much him having Amiir's ashes burned upsets me.

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3. Overall, I don't think the book will hurt his legacy. Nothing is going to hurt his musical legacy.

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I think the book makes his legacy as a person more complex. The book shares "the good, the bad, the sad, and the beautiful." On the one hand, the book describes him at his best---as a loving Papa Bear and husband during Mayte's pregnancy with Amiir and during Amiir's short life. Most of this information was new and I'm glad that I know it. On the other hand, the book also describes him at his worst---as having someone destroy his son's ashes, as unfaithful, confused, and self-destructive.

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I feel that I have a better understanding about Prince after reading the book, although I still have many questions about him. He still remains an enigma, but the book does add some of the missing peices to the puzzle of understanding Prince. On balance, I think that the good and the bad in the book even out each other. I think overall, Mayte's love and devotion to Prince shines through in how she wrote the book. If she wanted to do so, she could have done serious damage to his legacy. But I don't think that she did. I think she helped us gain a better understanding of him. Like I said, on balance, we learned the good, the bad, the sad, and the beautiful. The book showed him to be a loving, complex, flawed, and incredibly talented human being---and he was all of those things.

LBrent said:

moonsister said:

jayseajay said: Except that I bet it wouldn't have worked. His problem was that he needed to be "abandoned", that's why he kept cheating. He needed professional help, no girlfriend or wife is going to play the mother role effectively.

Exactly and exactly to you both.

I also keep remembering what a gal mentioned here about him not breaking up, but doing crap that made you want to go...and that artist guy who P basically ignored and didn't trust and would spy on and leave outside PP and have removed etc and the guy goldleafed P's 1st Avenue star...and the times when he'd be AT the parties, but up in VIP and not participating, but just being near the party...and the feeling I got that P felt unlovable so kept those folks at a distance who really loved him...and his remark about needing to do everything on his music cuz "what if everyone leaves me?"

Ultimately, he seemed to want love but did everything he could to fulfill the self fulfilling prophecy that he beleived from very young...I'm unloveable, broken, unworthy. Everyone will eventually leave me, despite whatever they might say or do in the moment...and in the end I'll be all alone.

And he made sure at the end he was.

Breaks my damned heart.

LBrent, you are so right. I think that at his core, he felt that he was, like you said, unloveable, broken, unworrthy. He was vulnerable.

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I wonder if his inner vulnerability and insecurity is why he cherished his fans so much. For as private of a person as he was, he shared so much with his fans. He invited them into his home for parties, he danced with them on stage, and he shared so much of himself with us through his music.

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I believe that he felt that when he was on stage, when he was performing, he felt loved, he felt worthy, he felt accepted. I wonder if this is why he toured so much---because the touring allowed him to access that happy place of love, and adoration, and acceptance, and unconditional love that he craved.

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I wonder if maybe he tried to hide his pain from his fans because he was afraid that his fans would turn on him or abandon him. Maybe some of his fans would have turned on him, but I think that most of his fans would have stood by him.

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I miss him and wish he was still here.

PennyPurple said:

I really don't know why everyone is making excuses for Prince for what he did to the ashes. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

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I still love the man and his music, but damn this is down right hideous.

The women is telling different stories. First she is not sure and is down playing it. And now all of a sudden she is sure. I know you saw her recent interviews. When controversial topics are brought up she down plays it but it the book she is big and bold on what she is claiming. She is not believeable. She should state who her source is. She has no problem putting very personal information and moments in the book but want to keep the source of the information a secret. I believe she has no idea what happen to the ashes and is making up stories as to why she does not have it. All the years Prince been around all of a sudden she talking about this story someone told her. If she really thought it was true she would have put it out there a long time ago but she too busy looking to get in a Prince concert for free and doing reality show.

PennyPurple said:

I really don't know why everyone is making excuses for Prince for what he did to the ashes. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

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I still love the man and his music, but damn this is down right hideous.

Because not everyone takes what Mayte says about Prince as gospel.