Writer Toure is working a new Prince book: https://twitter.com/Toure...1622323201

Tweeted his desire to interview Wendy and Lisa:

https://twitter.com/Toure...8059465729

I wonder if he really tried to contact W&L, or if he just posted that tweet publicly in hopes that followers would see him get a public response. While he is a talented writer, he has ocassionally come across as self-serving on TV.

Really curious about this new book and how he says Prince became an icon for Generation X. Hopeully this will be a great read, when it's finally released. Ronin Ro's Prince bio was mostly meh and rehash of other bios.

[Edited 8/13/12 11:10am]

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

imago said:

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

Agreed, all he has to do is simply tweet them.

imago said:

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

I wonder...do those contracts have a time limit? Is it legal to make it so someone can't talk about something for their entire life?

PoorLonelyComputer said:

imago said:

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

Agreed, all he has to do is simply tweet them.

If they did see Toure's tweet, I hope they contacted him in some form. Hopefully there are some stories they can share, gag order be damned! Lisa did share some anedotes about the "When Doves Cry" & "Kiss" video shoots in the book, I Want My MTV: The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution.

Nikademus said:

imago said:

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

I wonder...do those contracts have a time limit? Is it legal to make it so someone can't talk about something for their entire life?

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

I'd be more impressed if Toure worked on a Tony M. bio,

HonestMan13 said:

Nikademus said:

I wonder...do those contracts have a time limit? Is it legal to make it so someone can't talk about something for their entire life?

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

I'm sure they do...imagine all the books that would have been written just by his ex-gf's proteges alone if they weren't afraid of legal action.

HonestMan13 said:

Nikademus said:

I wonder...do those contracts have a time limit? Is it legal to make it so someone can't talk about something for their entire life?

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

Yeah that's all so weird,

when was it? last year that Lisa Coleman said the same thing? Why would Prince have issues with them talking about those days, and they have been pretty respectful about him, just honest

Nikademus said:

HonestMan13 said:

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

I'm sure they do...imagine all the books that would have been written just by his ex-gf's proteges alone if they weren't afraid of legal action.

I'm with you on that, so much background info... you'll look at videos and listen to music with a much deeper excitement.. or at least I would

I protege book just on the whole scene: shows concerts interraction with other proteges & Prince and the Revolution, recording sessions, club night life scene etc unseen photos

I would just be interested in 1981/83 the Time, Sheila E. Jill Jones, the Family, Mazarati, Madhouse, Vanity 6, (non-protege Cat) add Susan Rogers since she was in on most of the recordings and Alan Leeds since he was apart of a lot of the shows production etc

HonestMan13 said:

Nikademus said:

I wonder...do those contracts have a time limit? Is it legal to make it so someone can't talk about something for their entire life?

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

I think it is more that you cannot talk about anything personal about that person.

Prince is not the only celebrity that uses them. Most do. There was a story some years ago (20?) about Diana Ross and the types of gag orders she "forced" upon her employees.

It also comes with the territory of working with such high profile people. You would be hard pressed to find other employment if you were the type of person who ran their mouth about intimate detail regarding your employer.

OldFriends4Sale said:

HonestMan13 said:

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

Yeah that's all so weird,

when was it? last year that Lisa Coleman said the same thing? Why would Prince have issues with them talking about those days, and they have been pretty respectful about him, just honest

She also mentioned this back stage at the Emmys in '10.

[Edited 8/16/12 6:40am]

BklynDiamond said:

HonestMan13 said:

That makes me wonder if they even exist or was that just a stipulation when you were in his employ. How can you make someone not talk about a large part of their own life whether it involves you to some degree? The concept is baffling and how could he enforce it? are they allowed to talk to their personal friends about whatever happened but not to the press? What if said friends relay what was said to the press after the fact? I think they're a myth in most cases.

I think it is more that you cannot talk about anything personal about that person.

Prince is not the only celebrity that uses them. Most do. There was a story some years ago (20?) about Diana Ross and the types of gag orders she "forced" upon her employees.

It also comes with the territory of working with such high profile people. You would be hard pressed to find other employment if you were the type of person who ran their mouth about intimate detail regarding your employer.

I understand 'during' the employment, but Prince still seems to have this on them now, are they still employed by Prince on the DL?

OldFriends4Sale said:

BklynDiamond said:

I think it is more that you cannot talk about anything personal about that person.

Prince is not the only celebrity that uses them. Most do. There was a story some years ago (20?) about Diana Ross and the types of gag orders she "forced" upon her employees.

It also comes with the territory of working with such high profile people. You would be hard pressed to find other employment if you were the type of person who ran their mouth about intimate detail regarding your employer.

I understand 'during' the employment, but Prince still seems to have this on them now, are they still employed by Prince on the DL?

It is not only a matter of if you are still employed as you cannot talk about anything in relation to that employment. They can talk about him, but they cannot relate stories of things that happened during the employment.

BklynDiamond said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I understand 'during' the employment, but Prince still seems to have this on them now, are they still employed by Prince on the DL?

It is not only a matter of if you are still employed as you cannot talk about anything in relation to that employment. They can talk about him, but they cannot relate stories of things that happened during the employment.

Just trying to understand this

So they can talk about Prince "Prince a genius" but they can't talk about "how he conducted the recording of Power Fantastic"?

How long does this go on? When they signed on/up in 1980(Lisa) and 1982 (Wendy) and other members they signed something that says they can never ever talk about 'during the employement'? ever?

It doesn't really seem like anyone follows this though from Vanity Apollonia, the Time members etc Revolution, Alan Leeds Susan Rogers etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

BklynDiamond said:

It is not only a matter of if you are still employed as you cannot talk about anything in relation to that employment. They can talk about him, but they cannot relate stories of things that happened during the employment.

Just trying to understand this

So they can talk about Prince "Prince a genius" but they can't talk about "how he conducted the recording of Power Fantastic"?

How long does this go on? When they signed on/up in 1980(Lisa) and 1982 (Wendy) and other members they signed something that says they can never ever talk about 'during the employement'? ever?

It doesn't really seem like anyone follows this though from Vanity Apollonia, the Time members etc Revolution, Alan Leeds Susan Rogers etc

I would have to see how his contract is structured to know the particulars, but standard ones state that you cannot relate personal items or personal information that occurred during the time of your employment. EVER.

This is why many tell all books come out after all connected parties have departed this earth as others are not bound by the agreement so there is no worry of litigation, but say if Wendy tells something about Prince to her partner that only she would know and that person sells the story and can be traced to it.....Wendy very well could be sued for breach of contract (depending upon the terms thereof).

BklynDiamond said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just trying to understand this

So they can talk about Prince "Prince a genius" but they can't talk about "how he conducted the recording of Power Fantastic"?

How long does this go on? When they signed on/up in 1980(Lisa) and 1982 (Wendy) and other members they signed something that says they can never ever talk about 'during the employement'? ever?

It doesn't really seem like anyone follows this though from Vanity Apollonia, the Time members etc Revolution, Alan Leeds Susan Rogers etc

I would have to see how his contract is structured to know the particulars, but standard ones state that you cannot relate personal items or personal information that occurred during the time of your employment. EVER.

This is why many tell all books come out after all connected parties have departed this earth as others are not bound by the agreement so there is no worry of litigation, but say if Wendy tells something about Prince to her partner that only she would know and that person sells the story and can be traced to it.....Wendy very well could be sued for breach of contract (depending upon the terms thereof).

This is very interesting.

I mean we all have read and discussed about the 'cease & desist' Lisa got from Prince a few years ago

and we've all read posts and interviews by 'proteges & bandmembers' that have talked about their years with Prince,

Either prince doesn't care or maybe there is some clause that only prohibits talking about him during the period of employment.

I remember a tv interview with Lisa Vanity Jill & Wendy like in 1987/88 and it was all smiles and Prince is our brother a genius etc etc

Maybe there was a short time period they couldn't talk about stuff. I have to look into this now lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

BklynDiamond said:

I would have to see how his contract is structured to know the particulars, but standard ones state that you cannot relate personal items or personal information that occurred during the time of your employment. EVER.

This is why many tell all books come out after all connected parties have departed this earth as others are not bound by the agreement so there is no worry of litigation, but say if Wendy tells something about Prince to her partner that only she would know and that person sells the story and can be traced to it.....Wendy very well could be sued for breach of contract (depending upon the terms thereof).

This is very interesting.

I mean we all have read and discussed about the 'cease & desist' Lisa got from Prince a few years ago

and we've all read posts and interviews by 'proteges & bandmembers' that have talked about their years with Prince,

Either prince doesn't care or maybe there is some clause that only prohibits talking about him during the period of employment.

I remember a tv interview with Lisa Vanity Jill & Wendy like in 1987/88 and it was all smiles and Prince is our brother a genius etc etc

Maybe there was a short time period they couldn't talk about stuff. I have to look into this now lol

It could be what was said, it could be the time period.

I would imagine a young Prince was not as savvy about non-disclosure agreements as an older Prince.

Also was the agreement with Prince or with WB?

There are a ton of different scenarios and a lot of information concerning these things that we are not privvy to so we make speculations.

BklynDiamond said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is very interesting.

I mean we all have read and discussed about the 'cease & desist' Lisa got from Prince a few years ago

and we've all read posts and interviews by 'proteges & bandmembers' that have talked about their years with Prince,

Either prince doesn't care or maybe there is some clause that only prohibits talking about him during the period of employment.

I remember a tv interview with Lisa Vanity Jill & Wendy like in 1987/88 and it was all smiles and Prince is our brother a genius etc etc

Maybe there was a short time period they couldn't talk about stuff. I have to look into this now lol

It could be what was said, it could be the time period.

I would imagine a young Prince was not as savvy about non-disclosure agreements as an older Prince.

Also was the agreement with Prince or with WB?

There are a ton of different scenarios and a lot of information concerning these things that we are not privvy to so we make speculations.

right, and if that one is true, maybe it's why everyone seems to be able to talk about those times

OldFriends4Sale said:

BklynDiamond said:

It could be what was said, it could be the time period.

I would imagine a young Prince was not as savvy about non-disclosure agreements as an older Prince.

Also was the agreement with Prince or with WB?

There are a ton of different scenarios and a lot of information concerning these things that we are not privvy to so we make speculations.

right, and if that one is true, maybe it's why everyone seems to be able to talk about those times

I think it may be a combination of both, young Prince not so savvy about such things and the agreement was with the WB.

Older Prince is a lot more savvy and the agreements are with him directly.

They are not as unusual as people may think. Many companies use them in dealing with marketing strategies, product development, clientele, etc.

All high profile people have some form of them in place in one way or another to protect them and their families.

It is quite and interesting subsection of the law.

afro75 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah that's all so weird,

when was it? last year that Lisa Coleman said the same thing? Why would Prince have issues with them talking about those days, and they have been pretty respectful about him, just honest

She also mentioned this back stage at the Emmys in '10.

This below is why they need to talk cause Prince doesn't always seem to want to acknowledge what happened lol

ROLLING STONE (1990)

PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

"I'm playing the bad guy," says Prince, "but I didn't fire Jimmy and Terry. Morris asked me what I would do in his situation. Remember, it was his band."

The Time, Prince says, is proof of the good that can come from a group dissolving and eventually coming back together. "They broke up because they'd run out of ideas," he says. "They went off and did their own thing, and now they're terrifying."

Prince said this formula was just what he had in mind when, in short order, he broke up the Revolution. "I felt we all needed to grow," he says. "We all needed to play a wide range of music with different types of people. Then we could come back eight times as strong.

The breakup of the Revolution apparently didn't go down easy. Today, Prince's relationship with his onetime best friends Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman is somewhere between uncomfortable and estranged. "I talk to Wendy and Lisa, but it's like this," Prince says, moving his hands in opposite directions. "I still hear a lot of hurt from them, and that bothers me. When I knew them, they were two spunky, wonderful human beings. I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

Still, Prince's pronouncements seem proffered more in mourning than in malice. "Wendy and Lisa are going to have to do some more serious soul-searching and decide what they want to write about," he says sadly and shakes his head. "I don't know what Wendy and Lisa are so hurt about. I wish I did, but I don't."

BklynDiamond said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

right, and if that one is true, maybe it's why everyone seems to be able to talk about those times

I think it may be a combination of both, young Prince not so savvy about such things and the agreement was with the WB.

Older Prince is a lot more savvy and the agreements are with him directly.

They are not as unusual as people may think. Many companies use them in dealing with marketing strategies, product development, clientele, etc.

All high profile people have some form of them in place in one way or another to protect them and their families.

It is quite and interesting subsection of the law.

I agree, it would be a handy piece of information if we understood the agreements for those in the 1980's, so when we do get into discussion and read posts about cease & desists etc we have a better guide to understanding what is and is not legit/legal

OldFriends4Sale said:

afro75 said:

She also mentioned this back stage at the Emmys in '10.

This below is why they need to talk cause Prince doesn't always seem to want to acknowledge what happened lol

ROLLING STONE (1990)

---

PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

"I'm playing the bad guy," says Prince, "but I didn't fire Jimmy and Terry. Morris asked me what I would do in his situation. Remember, it was his band."

The Time, Prince says, is proof of the good that can come from a group dissolving and eventually coming back together. "They broke up because they'd run out of ideas," he says. "They went off and did their own thing, and now they're terrifying."

Prince said this formula was just what he had in mind when, in short order, he broke up the Revolution. "I felt we all needed to grow," he says. "We all needed to play a wide range of music with different types of people. Then we could come back eight times as strong.

The breakup of the Revolution apparently didn't go down easy. Today, Prince's relationship with his onetime best friends Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman is somewhere between uncomfortable and estranged. "I talk to Wendy and Lisa, but it's like this," Prince says, moving his hands in opposite directions. "I still hear a lot of hurt from them, and that bothers me. When I knew them, they were two spunky, wonderful human beings. I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

Still, Prince's pronouncements seem proffered more in mourning than in malice. "Wendy and Lisa are going to have to do some more serious soul-searching and decide what they want to write about," he says sadly and shakes his head. "I don't know what Wendy and Lisa are so hurt about. I wish I did, but I don't."

"...I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

afro75 said:

She also mentioned this back stage at the Emmys in '10.

[Edited 8/16/12 6:40am]

I love their humour about it all.

Going by the title, this book sounds like it's based on his Havard lectures.

afro75 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This below is why they need to talk cause Prince doesn't always seem to want to acknowledge what happened lol

ROLLING STONE (1990)

---

PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

"I'm playing the bad guy," says Prince, "but I didn't fire Jimmy and Terry. Morris asked me what I would do in his situation. Remember, it was his band."

The Time, Prince says, is proof of the good that can come from a group dissolving and eventually coming back together. "They broke up because they'd run out of ideas," he says. "They went off and did their own thing, and now they're terrifying."

Prince said this formula was just what he had in mind when, in short order, he broke up the Revolution. "I felt we all needed to grow," he says. "We all needed to play a wide range of music with different types of people. Then we could come back eight times as strong.

The breakup of the Revolution apparently didn't go down easy. Today, Prince's relationship with his onetime best friends Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman is somewhere between uncomfortable and estranged. "I talk to Wendy and Lisa, but it's like this," Prince says, moving his hands in opposite directions. "I still hear a lot of hurt from them, and that bothers me. When I knew them, they were two spunky, wonderful human beings. I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

Still, Prince's pronouncements seem proffered more in mourning than in malice. "Wendy and Lisa are going to have to do some more serious soul-searching and decide what they want to write about," he says sadly and shakes his head. "I don't know what Wendy and Lisa are so hurt about. I wish I did, but I don't."

"...I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

yeah lol...years later part of the truth comes out in In This Bed I Scream

the other truth at the same time was that Prince wanted them to work for him without getting paid or credit...

and the Time broke up because they ran out of ideas

and Morris fired Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, not Prince

Actually i remember her tweeting something about a paper being served to her door... and that she was asked to stop talking about "her memories about her time with P" imho P is "full of shit" and i quote Wendy from PR... he dont know wtf they are mad about ......WTF!!! SERIOUSLY ?!?!?! P needs to put down whatever he on and get clear his head of the smoke he KNOWS why they are mad he just dont nutsack to face them and ask WHY?? and be a man about it all....instead of a airheaded whiny ass baby he is... yeah i hop e the midget reads this too...( guess what im short so my daughter grow up about whining about ur fucking height P geesh).... end of vent

OldFriends4Sale said:

afro75 said:

"...I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

yeah lol...years later part of the truth comes out in In This Bed I Scream

the other truth at the same time was that Prince wanted them to work for him without getting paid or credit...

and the Time broke up because they ran out of ideas

and Morris fired Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, not Prince

imago said:

It's not that hard to get ahold of them.

They're far more transparent and approachable online and in real life than Prince.

I'm wondering what a new Prince book would actually bring to the table considering the gag-Contracts his proteges have are under.

What's really sad is that I think it would be far more accurate to interview those close to Prince, given that they would agree to come forward and disclose information freely, than it would be to interview Prince himself--that would be....less than informative.

actually i talked to Wendy & Lisa on their talk show they are highly interactive with their fans and very freindly love them both.. as for the purpl emidget NOPE... he rather HIDE behind a screen and sue ppl for rediculous BS ....i would respect him more if he stop his BS ways... religion or not it does not change a persons heart or the way they are...so he can stop using that as a crutch imho....he needs to get more music out and practice what he preaches... the only way to get new P lovers into HIS music IS PLAY IT FOR THEM either by CD/DVD/ etc etc... no t just keeping it all locked up to where if he hears a clip of his music he goes balistic and sues for a dam clip...

OldFriends4Sale said:

afro75 said:

"...I honestly don't know what they're hurt about."

yeah lol...years later part of the truth comes out in In This Bed I Scream

the other truth at the same time was that Prince wanted them to work for him without getting paid or credit...

and the Time broke up because they ran out of ideas

and Morris fired Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, not Prince

I remember seeing a vid in 2006 (please correct me if I'm wrong) of Prince in disguise as 'Pedro'? on rollerskates (let's call it) talking with Sheila and Wendy standing in the background. He was all 'look everybody, am I not being silly' and Wendy with a 'whatever'-look on her face. And I thought how sad, those people made the best music together and now this is the way he communicates with them

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I bet they get sick as hell of people always asking them about Prince all the damn time.

Toure' does actually have some insight on Prince unlike others that wrote a book about him. He was actually invited to Paisley Park & played basketball with Prince. When spoke to Toure' he told me all about it. i will 4ever be grateful for that & will never put him down like others do. Because of his controversial views....