alexnvrmnd777 said:

SoulAlive said:

purplethunder3121 said:

How the hell did I sleep on "Faithful" the first couple of times I heard it?!! This song is wonderful; the more I listen to it, the better it gets! It just percolates in your soul like the best cup of coffee you ever anticipated. Loving this one so much!

I did the same thing! I sorta ignored this song at first.It took a few listens before I realized that this is a GREAT,GREAT song.Now I can't get it out of my head!

Yup, yup (as Teddy Riley would say)! That "woo hoo hoo" chant from the ladies started playing back in my mind (and the chorus) outta nowhere and caused me to keep going back to the song. Now, I think I play it more than If I Was Yo Man!

"It's like I turn 'em on, and I can't turn 'em off/It's like the way they jockin' me should be against the law!"

fantasticjoy said:

I've listened to the whole cd once again and truly don't get what everyone likes about it other than being the original members. It's hard to see how most dogged 20ten , but praise Condensate. Now I will see pay to see them if they come to town. Once again despite my dislike for their new cd it's so good to have them back together.

20ten was garbage. Very uninspired and a poor imitation of his former self.

SoulAlive said:

purplethunder3121 said:

How the hell did I sleep on "Faithful" the first couple of times I heard it?!! This song is wonderful; the more I listen to it, the better it gets! It just percolates in your soul like the best cup of coffee you ever anticipated. Loving this one so much!

I did the same thing! I sorta ignored this song at first.It took a few listens before I realized that this is a GREAT,GREAT song.Now I can't get it out of my head!

I wouldn't call us lovers, but just the same we're more than friends.

All the sexy girls say: ooh ooh

purplethunder3121 said:

SoulAlive said:

Condensate is like a big party that the guys invited us to It's just alot of fun.Listen to the last few minutes of "Toast To The Party Girl".....how can you not get up and dance to that?! How can you not smile when Morris says that he needs some "chili sauce"? The album is filled with fun moments like that.

20Ten has a few great moments but much of it sounds like a lonely man in his own sheltered Paisley Park world.I feel the same way about the two or three albums that came before it.There's not much humor and fun in Prince's recent work.

Exactly! He needs to get a live band in the studio to bounce banter and ideas off of--like in the old days!

P needs to get his old homies. The OG's got the original group, they got Sue Ann. He should do the same.

No long, drawn out explanations or analyses here...I like what I like and I'm having a bunch of fun! A few peeps ain't feeling it...oh well, they'll be allright,

jwashin4 said:

fantasticjoy said:

jwashin4 said:

20ten was garbage. Very uninspired and a poor imitation of his former self.

I guess to each his own. I wouldn't say 20ten is his best, but I just don't hear the garbage. To this day I still listen to it, but I just can't ever see myself listening to Condensate ever again. They took all that time to put that cd together and it just sounds as if it was thrown together overnight. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to convince noone to feel the way I do. I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out what's the fuss!

Same here. I'd love to love this cd. I just kinda like it. Nice little album. That's it really.

ohYeeeeeah said:

Zannaloaf said:

One Night Alone was boring as all get out to me...I'd rather have Herbie Hancock and Chick Corea who understand a wider pallette on the piano than Prince does when he tries to get fancy with it.

N.E.W.S.? I've heard much better from the bands he is clearly trying to emulate - Return to Forever and Weather Report to name a few. Those guys worked as peers- that is a part of Princes current output problems...trying to do it all with no checks and balances (friends).

I loved The Truth...

3121 and Lotusflower were subpar, scattershot and poorly produced imo. I even liked a few cuts...but they were overall disappointments.

Any musician can try new sounds (you want some REAL new sounds try Kamasutra which was very NEW but also sucked completely imo) doesn't mean it works as a whole piece.

It's true that this album is the Time doing their thing...with energy, humour and spark along with musicianship and songwriting skill. THE ENERGY behind it is the part I find relevant. Prince has lost that SPARK or muse to make his stuff listenable to me.

Do these guys have the skill and musical knowledge to do stuff like TRC? They CERTAINLY do. Do they want to make a record like that...? Probably not.

If you don't like Prince's music anymore, who gives a shit? I certainly don't give a shit.

I love TRC, 3121, NEWS, One Nite Alone, The TRuth, The Vault and TGE. You don't. Fair enough.

I've seen Prince live a number of times the last 3 years and I have witnessed amazing moments of pure genius.

That's all matters to me.

I'm glad The Time are back. I just think you are all intentionally overparising this nice little cd that Condensate is in the only goal to trash Prince.

And I know I'm right.

7 brains vs P's one = Prince wins easily to me.

I didn;'t ask you to give a shit. I never said ANYTIHNG about Prince LIVE. He is amazing live. I'm talking about his albums. And no - given the amount of music I listen to and how long I have been a Prince fan...I would not be overpraising music to make a point. You have an opinion, you're not RIGHT about anything. Prince doesn't need defending by you

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

I'm a TOTALLY satisfied Prince fan...he has YEARS of GREAT material.

Yes, imo Lotusflower, 3121 and TRC, News and many other gems are great material. Sorry that you will be unsatisfied forever and ever and ever and ever.......

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apparently you can't read.

MadamGoodnight said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Exactly! He needs to get a live band in the studio to bounce banter and ideas off of--like in the old days!

P needs to get his old homies. The OG's got the original group, they got Sue Ann. He should do the same.

I agree.Prince's problem these days is that he's not surrounding himself with truly talented folks who could inspire him....and challenge him to go further.He's become complacent.After hearing Condensate,I kinda wish Prince would put together an amazing new band,go into the studio with them,and record the album as a band,with each member contributing their talent and ideas.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

Yes, imo Lotusflower, 3121 and TRC, News and many other gems are great material. Sorry that you will be unsatisfied forever and ever and ever and ever.......

[Edited 10/26/11 10:22am]

apparently you can't read.

haha i can read, however I took it as pure sarcasm and still do.

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SoulAlive said:

MadamGoodnight said:

P needs to get his old homies. The OG's got the original group, they got Sue Ann. He should do the same.

I agree.Prince's problem these days is that he's not surrounding himself with truly talented folks who could inspire him....and challenge him to go further.He's become complacent.After hearing Condensate,I kinda wish Prince would put together an amazing new band,go into the studio with them,and record the album as a band,with each member contributing their talent and ideas.

"Next thing you know you'll be wanting to ride his motorcycle!"

BlaqueKnight said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Blackque Knight, you're right I haven't, but I said I hadn't seen the DVD two pages of posts ago. And, I was speaking to fan discussions of the issue not the DVD interviews.

So, did they say why they didn't go back to the original goup name Flyte Time?

Yep.

Terrific. But I'm guessing it either wasn't very convincing or it was one of those non-answer responses since I've asked this question no less than 5 times during the course of this thread and no one has bothered to post the quote.

The one thing I can always count on with the org is for people to prove they are right: links, quotes, etc. are always put forth. Why none here?

Ifsixwuz9 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Yep.

Terrific. But I'm guessing it either wasn't very convincing or it was one of those non-answer responses since I've asked this question no less than 5 times during the course of this thread and no one has bothered to post the quote.

The one thing I can always count on with the org is for people to prove they are right: links, quotes, etc. are always put forth. Why none here?

They said they didn't call themselves Flyte Tyme because it would've been too easy and everyone was predicting that that's what they'd call themselves. So, they went for something else.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Terrific. But I'm guessing it either wasn't very convincing or it was one of those non-answer responses since I've asked this question no less than 5 times during the course of this thread and no one has bothered to post the quote.

The one thing I can always count on with the org is for people to prove they are right: links, quotes, etc. are always put forth. Why none here?

They said they didn't call themselves Flyte Tyme because it would've been too easy and everyone was predicting that that's what they'd call themselves. So, they went for something else.

Ok. Thanks. I'm not buying that's the entire reason though. But at least you did provide the quote.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

They said they didn't call themselves Flyte Tyme because it would've been too easy and everyone was predicting that that's what they'd call themselves. So, they went for something else.

Ok. Thanks. I'm not buying that's the entire reason though. But at least you did provide the quote.

On the DVD Morris said he and Prince were in Grand Central and they used to battle Flyte Time. Jerome was a roadie for The Time, setting up equipment when he got added. We all know Jesse was the outsider. Morris put the group together, it was his band. Prince convinced him to sing, and that way Jellybean could be the drummer. Flyte Time wouldn't represent all the members anyway in my opinion.

SoulAlive said:

MadamGoodnight said:

P needs to get his old homies. The OG's got the original group, they got Sue Ann. He should do the same.

I agree.Prince's problem these days is that he's not surrounding himself with truly talented folks who could inspire him....and challenge him to go further.He's become complacent.After hearing Condensate,I kinda wish Prince would put together an amazing new band,go into the studio with them,and record the album as a band,with each member contributing their talent and ideas.

I suppose Prince tried that in the 90's with the NPG, but I don't consider that his most successful period. He recorded his best work alone (more or less [sometimes adding horns])

MadamGoodnight said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Ok. Thanks. I'm not buying that's the entire reason though. But at least you did provide the quote.

On the DVD Morris said he and Prince were in Grand Central and they used to battle Flyte Time. Jerome was a roadie for The Time, setting up equipment when he got added. We all know Jesse was the outsider. Morris put the group together, it was his band. Prince convinced him to sing, and that way Jellybean could be the drummer. Flyte Time wouldn't represent all the members anyway in my opinion.

Thanks for the additional DVD info. If I recall Jessee was the only one that wasn't already in Flyte Time. The only other person I can think of that may have been added for the first album and the tour is Monte. And I think he was even in the Morris led band called Flyte Time. (I don't count Jerome as an orginal member at all).

Given all of that, I just don't buy the reason provided for not using the original band name Flyte Time. The point in wanting to use The Time was name recognition correct? But die hard fans know the story behind how they became The Time so using Flyte Time makes all the sense in the world. It distances them from Prince involvement and pays respect to their past. Using a new name with aboslutely no connection to the original roots of the group and is so generic just does not make sense to me. The Original 7ven... If I haven't been keeping up over the years I'm asking, The original seven what? Flyte Time I'd know.

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

After playing it for a week, I concluded that Hey Yo, Faithful, AYDKMN, and Trendin are tracks that are blatantly chasing the pop charts and sound like old dudes trying to be young. Almost totally out of character for this group of funk legends (by the way, where the hell is the FUNK??0. Role Play is incredibly boring - how did it even get on the album? The title track and the silly concepts around condesation is fairly lame and not funny. I found myself questioning if I would even play this album if I did not know it was The Time. THe answer is not a firm yes. But I love The Time - have since I met them on the COntroversy tour in Hampton, VA. Good, bad, or indifferent - they are not immune from the fact that the 80s are gone forever and can not be recaptured. It is unfair adn unreasonable to expect them to. Though he has transcended that era several times, even Prince has shown us this.

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Obviously we ain't listening to the same album...

I've listened to the new album a few times now. I think there are a few good tracks but nothing spectacular. Honestly, it pretty much sounds like a follow up to Pandemonium (a no big deal album imo) as opposed to anything on The Time's first 3 albums. Not too suprising since The Time's first 2 albums were almost entirely done by Prince (with some help from Dez Dickerson), not anyone nominally in The Time (except Morris on drums on some tracks), and a little more on the 3rd album but still a lot of Prince (all Jesse on "Jungle Love" particularly).

The Time a/k/a Original 7ven are a bit of a quandry. People talk about them being a great band but they didn't write OR record the vast majority of "their songs" - they just performed them in concert. Now, as a live act, they were seriously kick-ass. A very tight band and a lot of fun. They made the songs Prince wrote sound that much better live. BUT truth be told they were essentially acting as a cover band. They were not able to write those songs themselves. For "The Time" we all knew and loved to truly get back together Prince (and Dez Dickerson) would have to be involved. And since Prince's new songs have been so uninspired for so long now I seriously doubt it would be anything worth listening to.

There's a strange part in the DVD where the guys talk about hearing 'their song', "Get It Up", on the radio for the first time as they were traveling to a gig. They started celebrating on the side of the road. Not to be mean but what were they celebrating? None of them wrote or played on "Get It Up". That was a Prince accomplishment. And "Cool" was a Prince/Dez accomplishment.

Jesse is at this point the most talented of all of them. Jesse's Verbal Penetration blows away anything Prince has done lately as well as this Original 7ven album. The guy is just a wicked-good musician.

I would bet that these new songs will sound much better live than they do on album. The drum sound on several of these tracks (not all of them though) is annoyingly bad and wimpy sounding. Too bad b/c Jellybean is such a great drummer. Jellybean's actual drumming will make these songs better in a live setting.

Looks like Condensate debuted at number 10 on the R&B Album Chart and number 58 on the Hot 100 chart.

What Time is it?

Morris Day and the Time do their best to get Jay Leno to do "The Bird" when they perform on "The Tonight Show" (10:35 p.m., KARE, Ch. 11). The Minneapolis-born band actually now goes by the Original 7ven, but it still features Day, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and funky dance moves. See Sunday's Variety section for an interview about the band's album -- and how their old pal Prince forced the name change.

SoulAlive said:

What Time is it?

Morris Day and the Time do their best to get Jay Leno to do "The Bird" when they perform on "The Tonight Show" (10:35 p.m., KARE, Ch. 11). The Minneapolis-born band actually now goes by the Original 7ven, but it still features Day, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and funky dance moves. See Sunday's Variety section for an interview about the band's album -- and how their old pal Prince forced the name change.

Oh God, I sure hope they're not planning on doing "The Bird" and that this blurb is just playing on the fact that the song was one of their biggest hits! What a waste it would be if they didn't perform one of the new tracks tonight. I'd love for it to be "If I Was Yo Man" or "Toast To The Party Girl", but we all know that if it is a new one, it'll be "#Trendin'".

EDIT: Okay, never mind. I just saw in the USA Today article that they'll be playing "#Trendin'" tonight.

[Edited 10/27/11 15:59pm]

sosgemini said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yes, I did! After I listened to Stawberry Lake, I thought--where have I heard this voice before? So, I looked at the liner notes today when I heard it and saw that Sue Ann Carwell did the female vocals. Glad to hear her again. She sounds great on this album!

I've been meaning to ask, who dat?

I had to dig through my books to find my copy "D.M.S.R.: Prince The First Decade" by author Per Nilsen, according to the book Sue Ann first met Prince at one of the local talent shows in Minnesota. He liked her voice and had her come to his house and record some songs, one of them being Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? which would later be on Taja Sevelle's album.

With Prince's career about to take off he didn't have he time to keep working with her, so she ended up taking the departed Cynthia Johnson's spot in Flyte Time briefly before working with Morris' band Enterprise before signing with WB in 1981 and releasing her debut album that summer.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

SoulAlive said:

What Time is it?

Morris Day and the Time do their best to get Jay Leno to do "The Bird" when they perform on "The Tonight Show" (10:35 p.m., KARE, Ch. 11). The Minneapolis-born band actually now goes by the Original 7ven, but it still features Day, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis and funky dance moves. See Sunday's Variety section for an interview about the band's album -- and how their old pal Prince forced the name change.

Oh God, I sure hope they're not planning on doing "The Bird" and that this blurb is just playing on the fact that the song was one of their biggest hits! What a waste it would be if they didn't perform one of the new tracks tonight. I'd love for it to be "If I Was Yo Man" or "Toast To The Party Girl", but we all know that if it is a new one, it'll be "#Trendin'".

EDIT: Okay, never mind. I just saw in the USA Today article that they'll be playing "#Trendin'" tonight.

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i don't think they would do a leno appearance like someone did in 2000 doing a song from 1987 and on several other programs still doing songs from years and years ago when they have a new product 2 promote. nah jimmy, terry and jesse ain't playing that game.

daPrettyman said:

Looks like Condensate debuted at number 10 on the R&B Album Chart and number 58 on the Hot 100 chart.

Pretty good!

babynoz said:

daPrettyman said:

Looks like Condensate debuted at number 10 on the R&B Album Chart and number 58 on the Hot 100 chart.

Pretty good!