Militant said:

phunkdaddy said:

Sure u right. I guess that's why the Time needs Prince to get on stage with them and perform

a kick ass show because what the hell would Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, and Monte do

without the Purple one holding their hand to put on a kick ass show.

There's a difference between albums and live shows. Besides which, their kick ass live shows consist of 90% material written and produced solely by Prince.

Again, I love The Time, but let's not get shit twisted here.

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

phunkdaddy said:

Militant said:

There's a difference between albums and live shows. Besides which, their kick ass live shows consist of 90% material written and produced solely by Prince.

Again, I love The Time, but let's not get shit twisted here.

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

U guys keep repeating the same thing. Simple q, where the HELL is the Time material without Prince? Where is it?

NouveauDance said:

Graycap23 said:

READ CAREFULLY:

Prince has put out 5 cd's and countless bootlegs since the Family and the Time claimed they were going 2 put out a new cd. If they really wanted 2 release something, change the name of the band and move forward intsead of blaming Prince.

No wonder Prince doesn't want 2 work with these folks.

Keep blaming Prince all u want, the proof is in your LACK of output, NOT Prince.

Do you honestly think it's as easy for a group like The Family to put something out as it is for Prince?

Let's not forget Prince has got fuck all else to do but twiddle knobs at Paisley Park all night in between awaiting the Rapture and approving his new QVC-style blouses made by his personal team of seamstresses. He shits out a mediocre collection of 10 embarassingly self-repeating tracks and thinks that's job done - other people have real world obligations, AND they want a good product too - something you could never say of Prince, quantity over quality has been the name of the game since the 90s.

I just laughed so hard i'm farting.

phunkdaddy said:

Militant said:

There's a difference between albums and live shows. Besides which, their kick ass live shows consist of 90% material written and produced solely by Prince.

Again, I love The Time, but let's not get shit twisted here.

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

Exactly.Yes,Prince wrote and produced most of their material but the Time members are talented in their own right.They're all accomplished songwriters and musicians.As someone pointed out,on the '1999' tour,they sometimes kicked Prince's ass,to the point where he removed them from a few of the major cities,so that he wouldn't get upstaged.Some fans are,apparently,confusing The Time with some of those talentless proteges that Prince worked with in the 80s.The Time actually have talent.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

U guys keep repeating the same thing. Simple q, where the HELL is the Time material without Prince? Where is it?

well,they're tring to get it released but it's not easy when you have battle someone like Prince.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

U guys keep repeating the same thing. Simple q, where the HELL is the Time material without Prince? Where is it?

http://www.amazon.com/Its...amp;sr=1-8

What's with all the P love? I already agreed with you that they should be able to move

pass the bs and release the project on their own but their could be legal shit tied in

behind the scenes neither us know about.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

I like Prince but let's not act like the Time can't fart properly without Prince.

So what Prince wrote and produced the majority of their material, it doesn't mean

that they can't or haven't produced their own shit for themselves or others.

Should the OJays bow down to Gamble and Huff because they wrote and produced

the majority of their material and put future shows and projects on hold until they

are given consent by Gamble and Huff.

Exactly.Yes,Prince wrote and produced most of their material but the Time members are talented in their own right.They're all accomplished songwriters and musicians.As someone pointed out,on the '1999' tour,they sometimes kicked Prince's ass,to the point where he removed them from a few of the major cities,so that he wouldn't get upstaged.Some fans are,apparently,confusing The Time with some of those talentless proteges that Prince worked with in the 80s.The Time actually have talent.

Thank you Soul. Everything you just stated is true but diehard P fans just can't digest

the truth here.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.Yes,Prince wrote and produced most of their material but the Time members are talented in their own right.They're all accomplished songwriters and musicians.As someone pointed out,on the '1999' tour,they sometimes kicked Prince's ass,to the point where he removed them from a few of the major cities,so that he wouldn't get upstaged.Some fans are,apparently,confusing The Time with some of those talentless proteges that Prince worked with in the 80s.The Time actually have talent.

Thank you Soul. Everything you just stated is true but diehard P fans just can't digest

the truth here.

Prince is a genusi,but some fans elevate him to God-like status They act as if he's the only person on Earth who has talent,lol.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Thank you Soul. Everything you just stated is true but diehard P fans just can't digest

the truth here.

Prince is a genusi,but some fans elevate him to God-like status They act as if he's the only person on Earth who has talent,lol.

Man what u talking bout.

Militant said:

PurpleDiamond2009 said:

To be honest, I always thought that The Time was better than Prince.

How can they be "better than Prince" when Prince single-handedly produced and wrote 90% of their catalog?

I love The Time, but let's be real.

Listen up. If Prince has NO involvement with The Time's new album, then A) It ain't really a Time album, and B) they need to kiss some purple ass because he DOES own the name and is perfectly entitled to stop them from using it.

If they want to release the music and Prince ain't co-operating, then they'll change the name, like The Family/F-Deluxe did. We can speculate all day long as to why Prince ain't co-operating (if this is indeed the case), but at the end of the day, we don't KNOW why, and when it boils down to it - this is business, and Prince is perfectly entitled to protect his legal belongings if he chooses to.

Prince was working with The Time on the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" album as recently as a decade ago. I can't imagine a whole lot has changed in that timeframe. But peep this - Prince is not scared of The Time. What does he have to be scared of? The Time aren't going to sell out Madison Square Garden any time soon.

If anyone can provide one good, solid, reason that Prince should be "scared" of The Time, I'm down to accept this as a theory. But there isn't one.

I agree to a certain extent but I disagree when you say that The Time acutally isn't the "The Time" without Prince. Sure P started it all and wrote and produced most of their stuff but let's not forget the talent within that band that is perfectly capable of producing and writing WITHOUT P. I don't really get how Prince could be the hold up if all Prince owns of them is the actual name. Either there's something else involved that we don't know about, or this whole story is a crock of shit.

The comments about Prince is pure B.S.

This is NOT about Prince. It is about the Time's lack of material and it's lost focus.

If they really wanted 2 put out this project, nothing would stop them. If they have created a project, without Prince's involvement.

Prove it.

RELEASE IT!

doesn't morris' son post on here???? ask him

and i agree with the folks who say that if they wanted to put it out, they could

nothing's stopping them from releasing it under flyte tyme

we all know who they are...they could change their names to the douchebags and we'd still support it

leak a song or something 2 prove 2 the fans that its ready

stop talking shit

and wtf happened to the family project? oh let me guess prince came in and sabotaged the computers...yeah right....

revolution75 said:

doesn't morris' son post on here???? ask him

and i agree with the folks who say that if they wanted to put it out, they could

nothing's stopping them from releasing it under flyte tyme

we all know who they are...they could change their names to the douchebags and we'd still support it

leak a song or something 2 prove 2 the fans that its ready

stop talking shit

and wtf happened to the family project? oh let me guess prince came in and sabotaged the computers...yeah right....

Exactly............

revolution75 said:

doesn't morris' son post on here???? ask him

and i agree with the folks who say that if they wanted to put it out, they could

nothing's stopping them from releasing it under flyte tyme

we all know who they are...they could change their names to the douchebags and we'd still support it

leak a song or something 2 prove 2 the fans that its ready

stop talking shit

and wtf happened to the family project? oh let me guess prince came in and sabotaged the computers...yeah right....

For both legal and creative reasons, it's The Time or bust. Prince has no legal standing to block them from touring as "Morris Day and The Time" and playing all of the band's hits or anything else they desire. Recording as "Morris Day And The Time" is more of a legal grey area. I would rather they become FLYTE TYME, but I don't think they feel it's in their best interest to abandon THE TIME name.

[Edited 1/7/11 7:22am]

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

databank said:

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

I would like to but I STILL don't KNOW that's supposed to be the reason for the hold up.

If it is and I were them, I'd take a page out of the Prince - How To Screw Over Friends and Piss Off People Handbook and change their name to an unpronouncable symbol, put the word out on the street that they are now "The Group Formerly Known As The Time", put out a KILLER album of all new material and beat Prince at his own damn game, all the way to the bank and the top of the charts.

But hey that's just me.

Graycap23 said:

The comments about Prince is pure B.S.

This is NOT about Prince. It is about the Time's lack of material and it's lost focus.

If they really wanted 2 put out this project, nothing would stop them. If they have created a project, without Prince's involvement.

Prove it.

RELEASE IT!

Exactly.

I really doubt that the hold-up with this album has anything to do with Prince.

Unless the OP tells exactly what Jellybean said, we're just going round in circles.

Make like The Time and "Release It"

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

databank said:

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

I would like to but I STILL don't KNOW that's supposed to be the reason for the hold up.

If it is and I were them, I'd take a page out of the Prince - How To Screw Over Friends and Piss Off People Handbook and change their name to an unpronouncable symbol, put the word out on the street that they are now "The Group Formerly Known As The Time", put out a KILLER album of all new material and beat Prince at his own damn game, all the way to the bank and the top of the charts.

But hey that's just me.

xlr8r said:

jrodndigo said:

I can't say for sure what's the real reason why Prince won't allow The Time to release an album under the group name seeing that he owns the name, but those were my theories. Everyone knows that The original Time gave him a run for his money on the 1999 tour and that shook him up a bit. And it's been said by Prince himself that The Time was the only band he'd ever been scared of. I hope that it all works out and The Time album gets released. And my sincerest apologies to anyone I might've offended with my views on this. For all I know Prince or one of his peeps could be reading this..(lol).

Please shut up and siddown somewhere and stop spreading rumors attempting to start some shit.

shaking my head

and even if Jellybean DID TELL you something, how are you going to run on a public forum gossiping about it? Dont you think youd be effing up their chance by talking about what a member told you regarding Prince?

Trying for some internet fame

My man..is it that serious? You sound angry and this wasn't posted to piss you or anyone off. Now I know for sure that this is one of Prince's peeps..me and my big mouth (lol)!

Yeah, I do take the weight for this because I forgot about what site I'm on. The Org is no joke when it comes down to the classic debate. And I do hear you about putting people's business out there. Believe it or not, my whole point of posting this was not to vilify Prince..not at all. It was my attempt to inspire long time fans of The Time to raise their voices and get the powers-that-be to listen to reason. Yeah I went there a bit on the whole Prince is scared of the Time thing and reading what I wrote..I can see how one can get some things misconstrued as far as processing what I'm actually saying (or trying to say). Those cats (both Prince and The Time) have always had a good competitive thing going and a lot of times..it came from a genuine place. So when I say that he's scared of them..that's said somewhat in jest. If you know the history between the two then you would know where I'm coming from in this without getting so heated. Peep everyone else's response to this post and you'll notice that everyone is bring up some interesting points as opposed to slamming anyone for their views. This is The Time and Prince and everyone knows their story. Not trying to stir up some shit sir. My whole point in going there with the post was to let it be known how absurd it is for Prince to have any objections about these brothers doing their own thing with The Time or to cause any interference in them releasing new music under The Time name..which he owns. Peace

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

databank said:

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

I would like to but I STILL don't KNOW that's supposed to be the reason for the hold up.

If it is and I were them, I'd take a page out of the Prince - How To Screw Over Friends and Piss Off People Handbook and change their name to an unpronouncable symbol, put the word out on the street that they are now "The Group Formerly Known As The Time", put out a KILLER album of all new material and beat Prince at his own damn game, all the way to the bank and the top of the charts.

But hey that's just me.

OMG that would b THE shit 2 do

I really wish they read this cuz if P really is preventing them 2 use the name this would be the funniest slap in his face, and this would create a hell of a media buzz

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

databank said:

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

I would like to but I STILL don't KNOW that's supposed to be the reason for the hold up.

If it is and I were them, I'd take a page out of the Prince - How To Screw Over Friends and Piss Off People Handbook and change their name to an unpronouncable symbol, put the word out on the street that they are now "The Group Formerly Known As The Time", put out a KILLER album of all new material and beat Prince at his own damn game, all the way to the bank and the top of the charts.

But hey that's just me.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

databank said:

Let's be serious for one second, even if "Morris Day and The Time" was a legal option (and the It's about time album tends to prove that it's not), there's NO WAY this name can be used when Terry, Jimmy and Jesse are in the boat. This works for the version with only Jellybean, Monte and Jerome but Jesse had a solo career as succesful as Morris', and Jimmy and Terry made so many millions producing Janet (and others) that if it had to be anything, it should be "Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and The Time"

Now i don't want 2 bring anyone down but this conversation was about "what is happening?" and not "is The Time better than Prince" and this whole topic tends to become an amazing amount of bullshit. So if anyone could reboot the conversation starting with my previous reply (which is about WHY and HOW Prince can prevent them to use the name), it would be greatly appreciated. If not, better lock this topic until another one comes up

I would like to but I STILL don't KNOW that's supposed to be the reason for the hold up.

If it is and I were them, I'd take a page out of the Prince - How To Screw Over Friends and Piss Off People Handbook and change their name to an unpronouncable symbol, put the word out on the street that they are now "The Group Formerly Known As The Time", put out a KILLER album of all new material and beat Prince at his own damn game, all the way to the bank and the top of the charts.

But hey that's just me.

I dig that too. A name I thought would be cool for them was to just simply call themselves "The Original 7" and just have them release the album under that title. I think people would get it and roll with it. We're still gonna call them The Time (regardless), so it's all good.

wait a second

didnt they say that once jesse completed his tour, then they'd release it?

this dude has been doing one date a year

this year, there's 2dates.

at first it was morris' hip, then jesse and now its prince (supposedly) gtfoh

Militant said:

Graycap23 said:

The comments about Prince is pure B.S.

This is NOT about Prince. It is about the Time's lack of material and it's lost focus.

If they really wanted 2 put out this project, nothing would stop them. If they have created a project, without Prince's involvement.

Prove it.

RELEASE IT!

Exactly.

I really doubt that the hold-up with this album has anything to do with Prince.

Unless the OP tells exactly what Jellybean said, we're just going round in circles.

bro, im not buying it.

makes no sense

they've known for a long time that prince owns that name

i think that would've been first priority from a legal standpoint

and prince could've stopped them from performing as the time....look at the temptations

otis owns the name. dennis and every other x tempt has to use a variation

funksterr said:

revolution75 said:

doesn't morris' son post on here???? ask him

and i agree with the folks who say that if they wanted to put it out, they could

nothing's stopping them from releasing it under flyte tyme

we all know who they are...they could change their names to the douchebags and we'd still support it

leak a song or something 2 prove 2 the fans that its ready

stop talking shit

and wtf happened to the family project? oh let me guess prince came in and sabotaged the computers...yeah right....

For both legal and creative reasons, it's The Time or bust. Prince has no legal standing to block them from touring as "Morris Day and The Time" and playing all of the band's hits or anything else they desire. Recording as "Morris Day And The Time" is more of a legal grey area. I would rather they become FLYTE TYME, but I don't think they feel it's in their best interest to abandon THE TIME name.

[Edited 1/7/11 7:22am]

interesting. 10 years ago, the story was that Jimmy & Terry were holding it up, because they produced and wanted to put it out when they had a chance to get behind it and tour with the group.

obviously Jimmy & Terry have gotten a lot less busy in those 10 years.

errant said:

interesting. 10 years ago, the story was that Jimmy & Terry were holding it up, because they produced and wanted to put it out when they had a chance to get behind it and tour with the group.

obviously Jimmy & Terry have gotten a lot less busy in those 10 years.

If you're talking about the "Old Dogs, New Tricks" project, Prince was still the main creative force behind that.

T R A C K L I S T I N G

1. Cowgirl (n/a)
2. Style (n/a)
3. Who says a funk band can't play rock? (n/a)
4. Shake it baby (n/a)
5. Old dogs, new tricks (n/a)
6. Players Quiz (n/a)
7. North side, South side, Suburbs (n/a)
8. And thats what time it is (n/a)

I N C O M P L E T E A L B U M C R E D I T S

Possible writing credits for [Prince], [Morris Day], [Rickey 'Freeze' Smith], [Torrell 'Tori' Ruffin], [Jellybean Johnson], [Monte Moir], [Robert 'Gi' Grisset], Garry Marshall Shider, David Lee Spreadley and George Clinton. Possible production credits for [Prince], [Jimmy Jam] & [Terry Lewis]. Possible performers on Cowgirl: Guitar by Ronnie Baker Brooks - Bass by [Terry Lewis] & Larry Graham. Possible performers on Style: Guitar by [Prince] - Saxophone by Walter Chancellor jr. - Hornz by Eric Leeds & Brian Lynch - Additional Voices by Smooth G., Scrap & Michael Mac.

And of course, in the late 80's prior to the "Pandemonium" album, there was the "Corporate World" project, some of which still remains unreleased.

The Time - Corporate World (tracklist)

Murph Drag
Nine Lives
Donald Trump (Black Version)
Love Machine
Data Bank
Shake
Corporate World
The Latest Fashion
Release It
My Summertime Thing

I wonder if anything from either of these two projects was considered for the new album. Maybe they need Prince to sign off on using some of these songs.

Release it as "The Clock" - (the artist formerly known as The Time) - DONE! - That lil mutha fucka can have a symbol, why can't they?

I got a message into Morris's son. Hopefully he can set the record straight soon.

First of all how did this thread take on the theme of are the Time good or bad and can they do an album on their own? Heres the thing, Prince wrote and play all those early albums thamade the Time, whether they can hold their own is irrelevant, shit, its got nothing to do with that, everytime people dont hear want they want to hear they fall back on the "Oh u always kiss Prince's ass" NO its fact that he wrote and played all that stuff, and even his own albums, his own people and engineers stated this all as fact in those days, no one said Morris and Jessie suck or couldnt do anything on their own, the thing is that IF this is a copyrighted name "which" sorry to say is not own by Prince it is part of Paisley Park Records that Warners Owns, not Prince, Warners owns all that stuff from that closed record label, the reissues for the Shelia E albums, were all Warner owned, the Vanity 6 album apollonia 6 album all are their property, Prince has publishing and thats it. But if its really the name, you can just SPELL IT different, The Tyme, plain and simple, he cant HOLD THAT up, there are so many ways around this shit.

WHAT im saying is that the only TIME i hear a new TIME album spoken about is when Prince just happens to be touring or have something going on, and that is FACT, if its done, make the change and put it out, I mean you can tour on it, play clubs and promote it yourself, it sounds more to me like they want him involved in some way and cant get HIM to agree to that, which sorry folks, if thats what you are waiting for, PRINCE to agree to something, better chance finding Osama Bin Laden, give it up and move on, you know the man by now.