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Reply #90 posted 06/19/02 10:41am

herbthe4

6] why not charge a small fee and make it a members only site, would that help?.


FUCK THAT...six times over. I am not going to pay to espouse my opinions on prince or anything else, but I'll speak my mind as long as these guys are gracious enough to provide me with a forum.

Also, did Ben say he was ELIMINATING it, or suspending it temporarily? I don't recall him saying it was gone for good, at least that's the impression I got from post #2 on this thread...
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Reply #91 posted 06/19/02 10:46am

matt

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My understanding is that the lockdown of General Discussion is temporary. And I fully support Ben's decision... indeed, it's something we discussed on the telephone recently. I think all of us (myself included) will benefit from a break.
Please note: effective March 21, 2010, I've stepped down from my prince.org Moderator position.
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Reply #92 posted 06/19/02 10:48am

IceNine

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matt said:

My understanding is that the lockdown of General Discussion is temporary. And I fully support Ben's decision... indeed, it's something we discussed on the telephone recently. I think all of us (myself included) will benefit from a break.



...and I suspect that you richly deserve the break... there must be a TON of reports to moderators to deal with.

Enjoy the rest...

I am going on vacation for about two weeks, starting this weekend... I suggest that you accompany my son and I to Sea World and Carlsbad Caverns... much fun will be had by all.

smile
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Reply #93 posted 06/19/02 10:48am

herbthe4

BloodyMouth said:

I can't believe you fucking whiny pricks.

I could go on, but I can't be bothered wasting my time on any more of these worthless fools.

If the rest of the idiots ...why don't you fuck off...
This place is better without you.


This, I believe, is part of the problem. Let's see, in the course of disagreeing with something, you've managed to call us "Whiny pricks", "idiots", "worthless" and "fools" who aren't worth your time, in spite of the fact that you, indeed, took the time, which you claim not to have. The irony here is that I agree with everything you said, but this is how the shit gets started.

I think "this place is better off without" rude shit like this, but I'm beginning to suspect that's just me.

Edited for horrible grammar and spelling.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 19 11:05:32 PDT 2002 by herbthe4]
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Reply #94 posted 06/19/02 10:59am

JDODSON

The org is not dead. The org was pushed over the edge by everyone who has bad tempers and have no self control. The org is about "community". What kind of real community treats each other the way people do in here without having a riot? I have seen what overreacting and lack of respect can do to neighborhoods, and it isn't pretty. Ben is simply taking this time to filter out the people who cannot control themselves. This organization is held together by one thing. Prince. We all like him and/or his music in some way. Some people here just like to be here to mock all of us Prince fans and to cause chaos and disorder. It is that type of behavior that Ben will not tolerate any longer, and by the way, he DOES have the right to make the decisions to censor, because this is his private partnership that he has created. The only think he has to comply with the civil rights act, I think. Anyhow, that's my opinion.


Peace y'all,

Jason
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Reply #95 posted 06/19/02 11:04am

thechronic

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CarrieCee said:

What it comes down to people, is if you don't like a thread don't friggin read it. And don't bitch about it either. Quit your crying and move on. It's that simple, and it saves people a lot of headaches.


that's what I've been saying...mo one puts a gun to your head and says "read thechronic's post" you have a choice...stop bitchin because i have my new "what kind of toilet paper does prince use" to put on there. lol
" could I be... the most beautiful man in the world! plain to see, i"m the reason that God made a man!"UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GRADUATE! VERY PRESTIGIOUS!
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Reply #96 posted 06/19/02 11:05am

Moonbeam

I think this place will be fine. I agree with Wellbeyond that Ben and Matt are not exercising their collective fists out of a personal vendetta against certain posters, but rather due to the increased workload entailed in the need for moderation. I will welcome this break. So many have been complaining about moderation and the quality (or lack thereof) of the threads posted, particularly in the general discussion. This is an option that Ben and Matt are choosing to explore, so more power to them. This site is still what we make it.
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Reply #97 posted 06/19/02 11:09am

Antony7

There was no 'General Discussion' on the original org and that worked very well.

With all the nonsense that's been going down on this site over the past few weeks is anyone really suprised?
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Reply #98 posted 06/19/02 11:11am

kimrachell

IceNine said:


I am going on vacation for about two weeks, starting this weekend... I suggest that you accompany my son and I to Sea World and Carlsbad Caverns... much fun will be had by all.

smile


i've always wanted to go to the Carlsbad Caverns...must be beautiful. be sure to give us a report of what it's like.

have a great vacation! i leave in 6 days for south america, i'll be gone over a month.
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Reply #99 posted 06/19/02 11:14am

IceNine

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kimrachell said:

IceNine said:


I am going on vacation for about two weeks, starting this weekend... I suggest that you accompany my son and I to Sea World and Carlsbad Caverns... much fun will be had by all.

smile


i've always wanted to go to the Carlsbad Caverns...must be beautiful. be sure to give us a report of what it's like.

have a great vacation! i leave in 6 days for south america, i'll be gone over a month.



Be careful and have a great trip!

I will let you know all about the vacation if the general discussion forum is up when I get back!

smile
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Reply #100 posted 06/19/02 11:14am

matt

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Aerogram said:

Even some of Matt's replies to his extremely unpopular Shausler decision could be called flame warrish


Some of my replies may have been a bit flippant, but none of them were intended to be abusive.

What happened to "just ignore it" or "send an orgnote"?


Good idea in theory--"ignore it" was my standard response when people complained about certain news items at the old .org--but it seems not to work very well on the Internet. I guess it's just too easy to fire off stuff and send it around the world by pressing "send." I've done it myself sometimes and later regretted it.

6. The reaction to the locking of Shausler's thread was overwhelming. Now other threads had been locked before with very little or no controversy. I make restrictive decisions in my work all the time, and I have learned that when one of my decisions turns out to be extremely unpopular, it's not the time to cover my ears and look away or get all offended. I try to find out what was different about it, why it was met with such venom, and I listen with as much detachment as I can muster. I don't go around quoting Mel Brooks, saying "It's good to be king." Oooh... I know Prince.Org isn't a paying job, but that's immaterial if you care about the quality of your decisions.


None of us said "it's good to be king"--that was someone else responding to one of my posts. I followed up by suggesting that being a moderator is more like a janitor than a king. smile

You're correct in suggesting that the Shausler incident raised some issues about moderation for me, Ben, and the rest of the prince.org staff to consider. It's unfortunate that it happened the way it did--I still really don't understand why people got so upset about it--but that's water under the bridge now. Hopefully we'll all learn something from this.

For the record, I do stand behind my decision to lock Shausler's thread. Sometimes being a moderator (or having any other position with responsibility) requires one to make unpopular decisions.
Please note: effective March 21, 2010, I've stepped down from my prince.org Moderator position.
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Reply #101 posted 06/19/02 11:21am

wellbeyond

IceNine said:

kimrachell said:

i've always wanted to go to the Carlsbad Caverns...must be beautiful. be sure to give us a report of what it's like.

have a great vacation! i leave in 6 days for south america, i'll be gone over a month.



Be careful and have a great trip!

I will let you know all about the vacation if the general discussion forum is up when I get back!

smile

Hell, I'll throw in my travel plans as well..lol..I'm headin' to Spain on Friday, and will be there for a week...Thanks to Abrazo for providing me with so much info about Spain, btw... smile Merci, mon ami... smile (hmmm...probably shoulda said that in Spanish...)
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Reply #102 posted 06/19/02 11:24am

CarrieCee

Matt and Ben, why don't you get rid of the "report to moderator" option and save yourselves some headaches!! razz

Then when you check the threads, if you don't like something, click that silly delete button and poof!
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Reply #103 posted 06/19/02 11:27am

IceNine

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CarrieCee said:

Matt and Ben, why don't you get rid of the "report to moderator" option and save yourselves some headaches!! razz

Then when you check the threads, if you don't like something, click that silly delete button and poof!



That "report message to moderator" link is a pesky little bugger, isn't it?

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Reply #104 posted 06/19/02 11:29am

doeineffect

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herbthe4 said:

A lot of this stuff reminds me of the seemingly endless collection of television viewers who do nothing but complain about the content of television programming, yet somehow fail to ever get up off thier ass and turn the damned thing off or change the channel. I've said repeatedly that the best way to sink a thread is to LEAVE IT ALONE. When you engage the idiotic opinion(s) of the mindless wretch who wrote the thing, you lend creedence to it and soak the proverbial fire with gasoline.

When I see a TV program that offends me, I change the channel. When I see a business that offends me, I avoid doing business with them. When Rush Limbaugh offends me, I turn off the radio. So, when I see a post that's offensive or rediculous, I tend to ignore it. Why is that hard?

This website is what we make it, and whatever that turns out to be, at the end of the day, it's just a tiny little, utimately insignificant website that I happen to enjoy visiting.

Hell, You guys have managed to ignore and sink dozens of my topics and I don't recall ever saying anything rude or genuinely insensitive to anybody.


Also, if the people running said television station don't like the content that is being presented on their station, or they get a lot of complaints about the content from viewers they can choose to eliminate the programs or people on those programs.

It goes both ways. I agree that this site is what we make it, even thhough I don't post very often. I haven't posted in 2 months before all this happened. But, if Ben doesn't like the direction this site is headed he has every right to try to change it. (If that is what he's doing.)
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Reply #105 posted 06/19/02 11:33am

randomduck

CarrieCee said:

Matt and Ben, why don't you get rid of the "report to moderator" option and save yourselves some headaches!! razz

good idea. lol
there never used to that option on the old org.
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Reply #106 posted 06/19/02 11:39am

herbthe4

doeineffect said:

herbthe4 said:

A lot of this stuff reminds me of the seemingly endless collection of television viewers who do nothing but complain about the content of television programming, yet somehow fail to ever get up off thier ass and turn the damned thing off or change the channel. I've said repeatedly that the best way to sink a thread is to LEAVE IT ALONE. When you engage the idiotic opinion(s) of the mindless wretch who wrote the thing, you lend creedence to it and soak the proverbial fire with gasoline.

When I see a TV program that offends me, I change the channel. When I see a business that offends me, I avoid doing business with them. When Rush Limbaugh offends me, I turn off the radio. So, when I see a post that's offensive or rediculous, I tend to ignore it. Why is that hard?

This website is what we make it, and whatever that turns out to be, at the end of the day, it's just a tiny little, utimately insignificant website that I happen to enjoy visiting.

Hell, You guys have managed to ignore and sink dozens of my topics and I don't recall ever saying anything rude or genuinely insensitive to anybody.


Also, if the people running said television station don't like the content that is being presented on their station, or they get a lot of complaints about the content from viewers they can choose to eliminate the programs or people on those programs.

It goes both ways. I agree that this site is what we make it, even thhough I don't post very often. I haven't posted in 2 months before all this happened. But, if Ben doesn't like the direction this site is headed he has every right to try to change it. (If that is what he's doing.)


Exactly. Thank you.
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Reply #107 posted 06/19/02 12:01pm

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Aerogram said:

I'd love to say :

"Ben, this site is about Prince. Those ungrateful brats abuse the site and disrespect your decisions." etc., etc. etc.

BUT...

1. This site, for the time I've been lurking and posting, has NEVER been just about Prince.

2. "Nonsense" posts and flame wars have always been a staple, for as long as I can remember. Very few people here can say they have never engaged in or encouraged these types of posts.

3. Conflicting signals part 1... When Ben said Pook was funny when he came back from spamming OKP... what was that? When he replied favorably to a thread dedicated to poking his outbox... what was that? Even some of Matt's replies to his extremely unpopular Shausler decision could be called flame warrish - hey, even I, of all people, practically ignored disparaging comments made about me by replying only twice, and let me tell ya I had a lot more to say. What happened to "just ignore it" or "send an orgnote"? I guess the desire to defend oneself from personal attacks can be quite overwhelming.

3. Conflicting signals Part 2... Pook response to Ben's "Pook is funny" comment was "it's official!".. or something along the line, implying it was condoned or tolerated by Ben himself, Ben did not say "NO! Spamming OKP would be unacceptable!" Instead, on another thread, he said something like "let's hope OKP sees this for what it was... a joke." Yeah.. but isn't this also a way of saying "spamming can be just a joke"... including on the Org?

4. Conflicting signals, part 3... The OKP thing was allowed to float around for two weeks or more. I had been one of the few that said "watch out!", but from all the reactions, I concluded that I may have been a little too serious. I mean, even Ben was saying it was just a joke, so I thought I should lighten up and I did. Now I know some think "they have real jobs and can't monitor this place 24 hours a day...", but the OKP threads were absolutely starring anyone who visited the GD forum in the face, so I doubt they were hard to find and to close.




AS THE LEADER OF THEOKAYPLAYER INVASION (AFTER REALPOOK WAS KILLED IN BATTLE)THE POINTS THAT AEROGRAM EXPRESSED PISSED US OFF THE MOST.

WHEN POOK LED THE ATTACK ON OKAYPLAYER THE OWNER OF THE ORG LAUGHED AND DIDN'T HAND OUT ANY REPRIMAND.

IT WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO US. THE LEADERS WEREN'T PUNISHED BY BEN IN ANYWAY. HE LAUGHED.

SO WHAT WERE WE SUPPOSE TO DO? JUST TAKE IT AND NOT RETALLIATE BECAUSE YOU ARE PRINCE. ORG? WE HAVE INFULTRATED THE ORG OVER THE PAST 3 WEEKS WITH REVENGE ON OUR MIND.

TO SEE THE ORG IN ITS PRESENT STATE GIVES US A CHANCE TO LAUGH NOW. EVER HEARD OF KARMA? YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF BY NOT RESPONDING TO THE ATTACK ON OKAYPLAYER PROFESSIONALLY.
NO DELETED ACCOUNTS NO PUBLIC REPRIMAND OF ANY KIND WAS HANDED DOWN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED US.


TO SEE THE MAIN PART OF THE ORG TOTALLY CLOSED IS JUSTICE. KARMA. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL BEYOND OUR WILDEST DREAMS.

HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ALL LEARNED A LESSON. I WISH THE ORG THE BEST IN THE FUTURE GODSPEED
THE INVASION IS OVER. GIVE THEM BACK THEIR GOT DAMN GENERAL DISCUSSION BEN
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Reply #108 posted 06/19/02 12:05pm

CarrieCee

revenge said:

Aerogram said:

I'd love to say :

"Ben, this site is about Prince. Those ungrateful brats abuse the site and disrespect your decisions." etc., etc. etc.

BUT...

1. This site, for the time I've been lurking and posting, has NEVER been just about Prince.

2. "Nonsense" posts and flame wars have always been a staple, for as long as I can remember. Very few people here can say they have never engaged in or encouraged these types of posts.

3. Conflicting signals part 1... When Ben said Pook was funny when he came back from spamming OKP... what was that? When he replied favorably to a thread dedicated to poking his outbox... what was that? Even some of Matt's replies to his extremely unpopular Shausler decision could be called flame warrish - hey, even I, of all people, practically ignored disparaging comments made about me by replying only twice, and let me tell ya I had a lot more to say. What happened to "just ignore it" or "send an orgnote"? I guess the desire to defend oneself from personal attacks can be quite overwhelming.

3. Conflicting signals Part 2... Pook response to Ben's "Pook is funny" comment was "it's official!".. or something along the line, implying it was condoned or tolerated by Ben himself, Ben did not say "NO! Spamming OKP would be unacceptable!" Instead, on another thread, he said something like "let's hope OKP sees this for what it was... a joke." Yeah.. but isn't this also a way of saying "spamming can be just a joke"... including on the Org?

4. Conflicting signals, part 3... The OKP thing was allowed to float around for two weeks or more. I had been one of the few that said "watch out!", but from all the reactions, I concluded that I may have been a little too serious. I mean, even Ben was saying it was just a joke, so I thought I should lighten up and I did. Now I know some think "they have real jobs and can't monitor this place 24 hours a day...", but the OKP threads were absolutely starring anyone who visited the GD forum in the face, so I doubt they were hard to find and to close.




AS THE LEADER OF THEOKAYPLAYER INVASION (AFTER REALPOOK WAS KILLED IN BATTLE)THE POINTS THAT AEROGRAM EXPRESSED PISSED US OFF THE MOST.

WHEN POOK LED THE ATTACK ON OKAYPLAYER THE OWNER OF THE ORG LAUGHED AND DIDN'T HAND OUT ANY REPRIMAND.

IT WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO US. THE LEADERS WEREN'T PUNISHED BY BEN IN ANYWAY. HE LAUGHED.

SO WHAT WERE WE SUPPOSE TO DO? JUST TAKE IT AND NOT RETALLIATE BECAUSE YOU ARE PRINCE. ORG? WE HAVE INFULTRATED THE ORG OVER THE PAST 3 WEEKS WITH REVENGE ON OUR MIND.

TO SEE THE ORG IN ITS PRESENT STATE GIVES US A CHANCE TO LAUGH NOW. EVER HEARD OF KARMA? YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF BY NOT RESPONDING TO THE ATTACK ON OKAYPLAYER PROFESSIONALLY.
NO DELETED ACCOUNTS NO PUBLIC REPRIMAND OF ANY KIND WAS HANDED DOWN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED US.


TO SEE THE MAIN PART OF THE ORG TOTALLY CLOSED IS JUSTICE. KARMA. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL BEYOND OUR WILDEST DREAMS.

HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ALL LEARNED A LESSON. I WISH THE ORG THE BEST IN THE FUTURE GODSPEED


Since when did Ben become responsible for any of our actions? Grow up dickhead.
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Reply #109 posted 06/19/02 12:16pm

herbthe4

[insults snipped - KLS]

Both of you, please cut this rediculous nonsense. This IS THE PROBLEM!! Take it to the chatroom, or, at the very least, the bedroom...

...and yes, I SHOULD be ignoring you both.
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Reply #110 posted 06/19/02 12:20pm

AzureStar

Thanks, Carrie...Sag. smile
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Reply #111 posted 06/19/02 12:21pm

CarrieCee

I just can't stand this whole okayplayer "invasion" thing. How was it an invasion? Someone please explain. And how is Ben supposed to be responsible for anybody's actions? It's the friggin internet, he's not going to come to our houses and give us a spanking for posting on another site. I've checked out okayplayer and in the general discussion 99% of the threads are nonsense, just like here. There was no harm done there's no need for anybody to come here and cause trouble and be a retard.
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Reply #112 posted 06/19/02 12:22pm

CarrieCee

[insults snipped - KLS]

kiss my booty! GOODBYE
[This message was edited Wed Jun 19 12:23:01 PDT 2002 by CarrieCee]
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Reply #113 posted 06/19/02 12:22pm

JDODSON

Ok. Stop this now. I will see to it that Ben bans anyone else who speaks like what I have seen in here.


JD
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Reply #114 posted 06/19/02 12:25pm

CarrieCee

It's a beautiful day in the orgerhood
beautiful day in the orgerhood
won't you be my
won't you be my
won't cha be my orger


I love you all!!! I've met so many wonderful people here. See ya's!
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Reply #115 posted 06/19/02 1:04pm

herbthe4

revenge said:

CarrieCee said:

It's a beautiful day in the orgerhood
beautiful day in the orgerhood
won't you be my
won't you be my
won't cha be my orger


I love you all!!! I've met so many wonderful people here. See ya's!


MUST BE DICK SUCKING TIME.I KNOW YOU GOT TO GO. BYE


Insert brain here^...

How in the hell does anyone free up SO much time so as to center thier life around this ball of mindless cat shit?
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Reply #116 posted 06/19/02 1:51pm

doeineffect

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THIS IS THE MOSY FUN I'VE HAD ON THE ORG EVER!!!
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Reply #117 posted 06/19/02 2:00pm

PrincPDC

Essence said:

DavidEye said:

PrincPDC said:

Now maybe I can learn something about Prince when I'm here...


No offense,but if you wanted to discuss only Prince,there were other forums for that.Why do people keep complaining about the lack of Prince topics in the "General Discussion" forum? If you wanted to discuss his music,you have the "Prince:Music" forum for that.If you wanted to discuss his Music Club,there is even a forum for that too.The "General Discussion" forum was created to discuss OTHER topics that may or may not be directly related to Prince (at least that's what I think it's main purpose was).

To those of you complaining about the "General Discussion" forum...I bet most of you spent more time on that forum than ANY other forum on this site! Tell me I'm wrong:)


I spent more time on GD than any other by far. This was simply because the others are barely active and I like Prince. It was the only active forum on the site, that's not to say I thought it was a good thing.


Thank you Essence. I could try to post on a music thread and wait 3 or 4 months until someone responded and that's only if the thread didn't get buried.
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Reply #118 posted 06/19/02 2:10pm

BrianFellows

Why did Anxiety say he was I? I butter e butter I butter fly? I don't feel green. What an Evil Spider! Claiming he was responsible for my shenagains! I have half a mind to tell people the real truth, the truth is I don't like kiwi so keep it away!!
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Reply #119 posted 06/19/02 2:21pm

POOK

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BrianFellows said:

Why did Anxiety say he was I? I butter e butter I butter fly? I don't feel green. What an Evil Spider! Claiming he was responsible for my shenagains! I have half a mind to tell people the real truth, the truth is I don't like kiwi so keep it away!!


YO BRIAN

MAYBE ANXIETY IS PARROT REALLY

MAYBE ANXIETY HAS BRIAN CREDIT CARD TOO

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