Now this I could rap with p over quite comfortably, and feel that everyone on this thread would've made a really good discussion with him.
This is the first thread that Ive found on here that yeah, has moved me but shown that there ARE Orgers with something intelligent and RELEVANT 2 say.
I love ya all!

Holy crap, a thread on vegetarianism that doesn't end up with everyone flaming each other's pants off?! WHO KNEW?!

Paul McCartney says the same thing about his vegetarianism: "I don't eat anything that has a face."

It can get alienating sometimes, particularly at work when they have 'free lunch' days and they only think to order stuff like hamburgers or sausage pizza, because, well, EVERYONE eats meat, right? Otherwise, it's not a meal!

And why is it that if I were to tell someone I didn't eat meat because of my religious convictions or because of a medical condition, that's completely understandable, but if I say it's because of a personal choice, I can always count on some kind of debate?

It gets tiring after a while. But it's worth it. In so many ways.

i'll just co-sign what's been said in the last few posts here...

thanks for the reminder Blueangel!

Anxiety said:

No kidding - u can guarantee that if I ever attend a BBQ/bash/wedding/whatever, 99% of the time it's meat this, meat that... all Im left with is a bowl of nuts and chips - if Im lucky!

Still, just as well Im happy with a stick of celery and a bag of Doritos huh?

I'd rather feed my karma than stuff my face anyhow

Anxiety said:

You fucking vegans! You make me sick to my stomach! What about carrots? They're living things. What about the carrots? Somebody please think about the carrots! Nah, just playing with ya.

Essence said:

handsclap is correct I am almost sure folks are saying they are a vegetarian and they aren't that was my observation

stymie rawxxx.

bananacologne is slammin'.

anxiety is hecka-fresh.

CalhounSq said:

IMHO, that's the way to do it. I think it's a big shock to mind and body to just up and switch diets one day.

I took about 5 years to get from omnivore to vegan, I think. It wasn't that hard because it was so gradual.

Shorty said:

Sorry. The thing is, you assume that seeing your point of view would have to mean respecting it. I don't respect a point of view that says it's ok to harm needlessly. Buying, or hunting, animals when we don't need to is, well, harming needlessly.

I do see your point of view. I really do. And I see it's flaws. Sorry you can't believe me on that.

BBQ? Isn't the basic idea of a BBQ "meat this, meat that?"

bananacologne said:

tackam said:

Yea, going cold turkey (no pun) would do me in. But whenever I can do veggie, I do

On another note... "the BlueAngel Ass Lickers Association"??? :O

tackam, you make my sun shine at night.
plus yer tongue in my box is heaven personified.
c'mon, calhoun, how many licks will it take for YOU to get to the center of my gooey treat?

i apologize to everyone for the image that last comment generated in your brain.

Universaluv said:

you need to check out one of my BBQ's and you'll know how wrong this statement is!



yummm vegie bbq...

PANDURITO said:

Note that this thing was produced by the USDA, the Department of Agriculture, ie. the department of the people who sell food. It's like the milk commercials. For some reason people view them as though they were a public service announcement. They are produced by the industries that want you to buy their products!

There have been revised food pyramids made that better reflect what is good for our health. Scientific American had a good article on this a few months back. And basically, in the updated, non-commercial pyramid, white bread/rice, hydrogenated oils, and all flesh except fish are in the same cagegory as candy: use sparingly. Vegetable oils, which are in the USDA 'use sparingly' category, are moved to 'use in abundance'.

Just a little FYI.

And blueangel, baby, you know you rock my world.

tackam said:

Also, as nowhere does it say "eat all these things everyday" it is possible to eat from every group listed (bar dairy) and be vegan.

theblueangel said:

What tha fuck? I thought I was the only woman in your life. Don't make me have to cut a bitch. I've killed before and I ain't afraid to kill again.

tackam said:

I studied this very pyramid as a kid at school in Spain 25 years ago.I never knew it was made by the American Department of Agriculture!!! Thanx for the info!

Anyway. Do you have a link or more info on the new "truncated pyramid"?
Never heard of it. Thanx

tackam thought:

Thank you

Universaluv said:

Oh I get it...if my buddies or relations ever hold a BBQ - dont bring the freek vegetarian? Got it.
No, sorry - I havent...Like, what the...?
Since when did being a vegetartian state I wasnt allowed within 20yards of a BBQ 2 hang with my buds?

*please-do-enlighten-me-edit*

nuthin' sexier than a chick willing to cut a bitch for exclusive rights to yer azz.

stymie said:

PANDURITO said:

Try this: http://www.sciam.com/arti...9EC588EEDF

The second page of the article has the revised pyramid.

Notice that it supports a plant based diet. Even the dairy and fish sections. The dairy option says "or a calcium supplement" and the fish section says 0-2 servings, meaning a diet can be healthy with none.

Most people already recognize that a vegan diet can at least as healthy as an omnivorous diet, if not healthier. If you have any doubts about that, check out this article. It's not what the article is ABOUT, and it's a non-biased source, which should make you non-veggies, rightfully, a little more confident in the conclusions.

(Edit: here is the revised pyramid, but I encourage reading the article for an explanation:)

[This message was edited Mon May 26 9:36:13 PDT 2003 by tackam]

Hang with whoever you wanna, jeez. But I don't go over to visit my vegetarian friends and expect prime rib to be on the menu. But that's just me.

bananacologne said:

endorphin74 said:

It's true. I was one of those raging carnivores. And just from eating together so much over the last 6-7 years whether it be home-cooked meals, veggie-friendly restaurants or what have you, I no longer eat very much meat. I prefer tofu to any meat in any asian dish, I prefer not-dogs to hot dogs when camping (hot dogs are disgusting anyway!), and now we even all make yummy dinners together every Sunday, so I'm gaining more and more veggie recipes. I've learned the wonders of seitan (yum!) and the power of the almighty bean. There are even these fabulous meatless buffalo wings that I love! And I haven't been able to eat chicken on the bone since I was about 14. That always disgusted me anyway...

I would never call myself a vegetarian, cause I do still eat meat. Just under very specific and occasional circumstances. I joke with them all the time that one day it'll just happen. I'll realize it's been months since I had any meat and I'll just stop forever.

And has anyone read Fast Food Nation? Aside from the whole inhumane treating of the animals we consume, the meat-packing business has got to be the most corrupt industry in America! That almost makes me more sick to my stomach thinking about it as I bite into a burger.

Whoops! Just realized BlueAngel made the "horrible industry to support" arguement. Rock on.
[This message was edited Mon May 26 8:09:33 PDT 2003 by CarrieMpls]

CarrieMpls said:

I knew a woman once who was totally veg except she still ate some of a turkey on Thanksgiving, because the thought of NOT eating some of a turkey on Thanksgiving was keeping her from going veg the rest of the time. She decided to go just as far as she was comfortable.

I've also known people who were vegan except for cheese. Didn't eat flesh,eggs, or other milk products, didn't wear leather or wool, but just couldn't give up good cheese (which is the only thing that there is no truly good substitute for, IMHO).

I think that is a totally great way to approach the issue. Veganism isn't a line you cross, it's a staircase you climb. In our society, it's basically impossible to reach the top, but every step taken away from cruelty is a good one.

i need 2 b a Vegetarian but it's so DIFFICULT 2 not eat meat especiallt when all u'r wife cooks is meat but NOW were tryin' 2 use The Atkin's Diet 2 eat right & loose weight & according 2 Dr. Atkin's Book Meat doesn't have any Carbohydrates so that means u don't gain any weight from it!


Mad Love 4 Prince who can eat Vegan but if i'm not working 4 him or with him i couldn't QUIT it so easy