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Thread started 02/14/18 10:35pm

LittleBLUECorv
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Most of early Television is lost/destroyed

Reading up on the early years of TV, I find it a shame that most early TV has been destroyed. No one believed that anyone would care about that stuff and had any value for the future. First episodes, actors first appearance, singers first performances all gone.

One of the earliest networks, the DuMont Network which started in 1946 along with NBC; well before CBS and ABC. The DuMont Network ended in 1956. Of the four major networks it was not common practice to save various programs. DuMont was a network who saved a lot of stuff. That was until the mid 70s after the library was purchased by ABC. Well they found no need for it and dumped everything in the NY East River.

Even up until the late 70s the networks were reusing tapes to save money. Most of the Tonight Show with Jack Paar was not saved. Johnny Carson requested that they tape over all of his shows to save money. It wasn't until 1973 where that practice stopped.

A lot of early TV soap operas are lost since they came on daily. They'd just tape over the previous episode.

Even shows that come on today from the 50's some episodes are missing. They just rediscovered some episodes of the Honeymooners a few years back. The first sitcom is floating in the NYC river. Johnny Carson first show, taped over. A shame really.
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Reply #1 posted 02/15/18 5:29pm

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It reminds me about the same problem within the BBC in the UK. Plently of classic episodes of Doctor Who from the First Doctor & Second Doctor eras are still lost and/or missing.


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I just find it crazy.
You pay all this money for these productions than once it's aired, you re-use the tape. And over and over and over

Imagine if they did that to music back in the day.
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Reply #3 posted 02/15/18 6:45pm

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It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.

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Reply #4 posted 02/15/18 7:23pm

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kpowers said:

It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.

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The first episode of General Hospital in 1963 was never like what futures episodes from the 1980-2019 were going to be. Even today since the late 1980's, 95-98% of the storylines takes place outside of Port Charles General Hospital! lol

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kpowers said:

It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.

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But they kept some things around. Why not all o it.
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Reply #6 posted 02/15/18 8:21pm

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TonyVanDam said:

kpowers said:

It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.

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The first episode of General Hospital in 1963 was never like what futures episodes from the 1980-2019 were going to be. Even today since the late 1980's, 95-98% of the storylines takes place outside of Port Charles General Hospital! lol

OK, but do they exist???

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Reply #7 posted 02/15/18 8:28pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

kpowers said:

It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.

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But they kept some things around. Why not all o it.

Not sure. These are all on tapes that are 50 years plus old?????Maybe they got ruined??? I've heard some stuff have been destroyed like some episodes of Dark Shadows.

Out of 1225 episodes of Dark Shadows, this is the only episode where there is no surviving video.

1219


1219
1219
Number

1199

Timeline

1841 PT

Narrator

Keith Prentice
(original)
Lara Parker
(reconstruction)

Writer

Gordon Russell

Director

Lela Swift

Broadcast

February 25, 1971
(Thursday)

Recorded

February 18, 1971
(Thursday)

Video

Complete: Disc 124
Collection 25: Disc 4

1219ki
We have 2 images of Dark Shadows 1219

Bramwell marries Daphne, whilst Catherine learns she is pregnant with his child.


Synopsis Edit

At the great house of Collinwood the Collins family, for many generations, has lived under a mysterious curse that has brought them nothing but tragedy. And now a romantic conflict has developed, one which threatens to split the family apart. Daphne Harridge has announced she will be married to Bramwell Collins. But on this night Daphne has suddenly begun to have some doubts. And so is trying, through a young woman who is clarvoyant, to determine what the future holds.

However it has been reconstructed using a fan-recorded audio track and still images. Lara Parker provides narration to preface and summarize each scene. Since the surviving audio from the episode was incomplete, the partial narration by Keith Prentice that originally opened the episode was dropped for the home video release, and was re-recorded by Lara Parke

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Reply #8 posted 02/15/18 8:55pm

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kpowers said:



TonyVanDam said:




kpowers said:


It's a shame but it was the times. You are talking about them getting rid of stuff in the 70's, no internet, DVD's and so once it aired that was it. There were VCR's in the 70's but really didn't boom until the 80's. What about all the soap operas (As the world turns, Guiding light and so on) doubt if ALL episodes survived.


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The first episode of General Hospital in 1963 was never like what futures episodes from the 1980-2019 were going to be. Even today since the late 1980's, 95-98% of the storylines takes place outside of Port Charles General Hospital! lol



OK, but do they exist???


They don't. Most early soap especially something that aired 5 times a week was recorded over.
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Reply #9 posted 02/15/18 9:57pm

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No comment.
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Reply #10 posted 02/15/18 10:46pm

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Same with early film, 2/3rds of the silents are gone. The biggest loss with early television is the live plays that are gone. Unfortunately shows like Burns and Allen didn't film their early seasons and only kinescopes survive. The world is blessed that Desi Arnaz had the foresight to shoot I Love Lucy on film so it could be immortalized.
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Reply #11 posted 02/16/18 2:12am

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Graycap23 said:

No comment.

Are you posting that on every thread you're not commenting on? biggrin

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/18 8:33am

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Yep, for some BBC shows like Steptoe they found some home recorded copies, this would have been late 60s. But in general a lot of shows were recorded over. Plus tape degrades overtime too. Best idea is to digitize everything now whilst they can.
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Reply #13 posted 02/16/18 8:52am

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Hudson said:

Same with early film, 2/3rds of the silents are gone. The biggest loss with early television is the live plays that are gone. Unfortunately shows like Burns and Allen didn't film their early seasons and only kinescopes survive. The world is blessed that Desi Arnaz had the foresight to shoot I Love Lucy on film so it could be immortalized.

Burns and Allen still exist in some format. Most of the first sitcom Mary Kay and Johnny was destroyed.
The soap Edge of the Night is mostly gone. Some of the earlier episodes are around.
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