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Reply #60 posted 12/07/17 12:53am

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nextedition said:

I'm surprised how little this movie felt to me, its like a little charming story, not an epic superhero smash. I kinda enjoyed it but also getting enough of these movies if the stories don't get better. Its really all too simple. On the plus side,i think Cavell is an amazing superman (damn he is hot) and wonderwoman steals the show.


An "Epic superhero smash" hasn't been made yet...
George Miller's "Justice League" could have been the first one (but could also have crashed and burned given the casting...)
Marvel has shown that they aren't capable of making serious Superhero teamup movies without it resulting in some sort of parody of the source material... At least "Deadpool" stayed true and entertained for such a lackluster and lame character, so if they keep that up then maybe, hopefully, they can finally crank out some great stuff for a change... They've had 10+ years to find and hone their skills but haven't been able to surpass their "Transformers" levels of garbage... And DC is now following suit...

Neversin.

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Reply #61 posted 12/07/17 1:19am

EmmaMcG

Neversin said:



nextedition said:


I'm surprised how little this movie felt to me, its like a little charming story, not an epic superhero smash. I kinda enjoyed it but also getting enough of these movies if the stories don't get better. Its really all too simple. On the plus side,i think Cavell is an amazing superman (damn he is hot) and wonderwoman steals the show.


An "Epic superhero smash" hasn't been made yet...
George Miller's "Justice League" could have been the first one (but could also have crashed and burned given the casting...)
Marvel has shown that they aren't capable of making serious Superhero teamup movies without it resulting in some sort of parody of the source material... At least "Deadpool" stayed true and entertained for such a lackluster and lame character, so if they keep that up then maybe, hopefully, they can finally crank out some great stuff for a change... They've had 10+ years to find and hone their skills but haven't been able to surpass their "Transformers" levels of garbage... And DC is now following suit...

Neversin.

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George Miller's movie sounded awful. The villain puts nanobots in the food he serves at his fast food restaurant and then flips a switch turning everyone who's eaten there into a mindless zombie who causes havoc, leading to the Justice League to come in and stop them. I'm not saying that the Justice League we got has a MUCH better story but it is better than that.

Marvel movies which are part of the MCU definitely follow a formula but they're generally good with the exception of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk, and even they are better than the Transformers. So if it's not broke, don't fix it. And I don't know if it's accurate to the comics or a parody of them because I've never read a comic book in my life. So I don't care if it's a parody. And I'd bet very few people who see the movies care either. Sometimes it's OK to just go see a movie with the intention of being entertained for 2 hours.

DCs, or more accurately, Warners problem is that they seen how successful Marvel has become and rather than spend time developing their characters like Marvel did, they went ahead and rushed out a Justice League movie without building up the team first. Half the League didn't have solo movies of their own so they needed to be introduced in the JL movie itself, thereby restricting the story they were able to tell. Hopefully they get it right in the future. Ben Affleck has been a really good Batman so far and Gal Gadot could potentially be as linked to Wonder Woman as Christopher Reeve is with Superman. All they need is to have someone come in to write and direct the movie without the studio getting involved.


But if these superhero movies aren't your thing, I'd recommend Logan if you haven't seen it. Easily the best X-Men movie since X-2 (which isn't saying much, I suppose). It's worth a watch just to see Wolverine stab a man in the head.
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Reply #62 posted 12/07/17 2:19am

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Neversin said:


An "Epic superhero smash" hasn't been made yet...
George Miller's "Justice League" could have been the first one (but could also have crashed and burned given the casting...)
Marvel has shown that they aren't capable of making serious Superhero teamup movies without it resulting in some sort of parody of the source material... At least "Deadpool" stayed true and entertained for such a lackluster and lame character, so if they keep that up then maybe, hopefully, they can finally crank out some great stuff for a change... They've had 10+ years to find and hone their skills but haven't been able to surpass their "Transformers" levels of garbage... And DC is now following suit...

Neversin.

[Edited 12/7/17 0:54am]

George Miller's movie sounded awful. The villain puts nanobots in the food he serves at his fast food restaurant and then flips a switch turning everyone who's eaten there into a mindless zombie who causes havoc, leading to the Justice League to come in and stop them. I'm not saying that the Justice League we got has a MUCH better story but it is better than that. Marvel movies which are part of the MCU definitely follow a formula but they're generally good with the exception of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk, and even they are better than the Transformers. So if it's not broke, don't fix it. And I don't know if it's accurate to the comics or a parody of them because I've never read a comic book in my life. So I don't care if it's a parody. And I'd bet very few people who see the movies care either. Sometimes it's OK to just go see a movie with the intention of being entertained for 2 hours. DCs, or more accurately, Warners problem is that they seen how successful Marvel has become and rather than spend time developing their characters like Marvel did, they went ahead and rushed out a Justice League movie without building up the team first. Half the League didn't have solo movies of their own so they needed to be introduced in the JL movie itself, thereby restricting the story they were able to tell. Hopefully they get it right in the future. Ben Affleck has been a really good Batman so far and Gal Gadot could potentially be as linked to Wonder Woman as Christopher Reeve is with Superman. All they need is to have someone come in to write and direct the movie without the studio getting involved. But if these superhero movies aren't your thing, I'd recommend Logan if you haven't seen it. Easily the best X-Men movie since X-2 (which isn't saying much, I suppose). It's worth a watch just to see Wolverine stab a man in the head. [Edited 12/7/17 1:25am]


I know the story of George Miller's "Justice League", but seeing him as an action director directing an actual Superhero action flick would be interesting plus he's leagues above all other "action directors" and can make a turd of a story look awesome...
Ben Affleck should just leave DC since his Batman wasn't all that, his stuntman, the design and directing of his action sequences however were awesome... Ben Affleck should be replaced by someone who can actually act...
"Logan" was garbage like the other two "Wolverine" movies... Shitty acted (save for Jackman and Merchant) an annoying kid stinking up the movie and "Fuck" bombs for no reason other than to have the public gasp at the fact Xavier is using it... This was such a boring movie like the last 3/4 of "The Wolverine" and that first movie...

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Reply #63 posted 12/07/17 3:08am

EmmaMcG

Neversin said:



EmmaMcG said:


Neversin said:



An "Epic superhero smash" hasn't been made yet...
George Miller's "Justice League" could have been the first one (but could also have crashed and burned given the casting...)
Marvel has shown that they aren't capable of making serious Superhero teamup movies without it resulting in some sort of parody of the source material... At least "Deadpool" stayed true and entertained for such a lackluster and lame character, so if they keep that up then maybe, hopefully, they can finally crank out some great stuff for a change... They've had 10+ years to find and hone their skills but haven't been able to surpass their "Transformers" levels of garbage... And DC is now following suit...

Neversin.


[Edited 12/7/17 0:54am]



George Miller's movie sounded awful. The villain puts nanobots in the food he serves at his fast food restaurant and then flips a switch turning everyone who's eaten there into a mindless zombie who causes havoc, leading to the Justice League to come in and stop them. I'm not saying that the Justice League we got has a MUCH better story but it is better than that. Marvel movies which are part of the MCU definitely follow a formula but they're generally good with the exception of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk, and even they are better than the Transformers. So if it's not broke, don't fix it. And I don't know if it's accurate to the comics or a parody of them because I've never read a comic book in my life. So I don't care if it's a parody. And I'd bet very few people who see the movies care either. Sometimes it's OK to just go see a movie with the intention of being entertained for 2 hours. DCs, or more accurately, Warners problem is that they seen how successful Marvel has become and rather than spend time developing their characters like Marvel did, they went ahead and rushed out a Justice League movie without building up the team first. Half the League didn't have solo movies of their own so they needed to be introduced in the JL movie itself, thereby restricting the story they were able to tell. Hopefully they get it right in the future. Ben Affleck has been a really good Batman so far and Gal Gadot could potentially be as linked to Wonder Woman as Christopher Reeve is with Superman. All they need is to have someone come in to write and direct the movie without the studio getting involved. But if these superhero movies aren't your thing, I'd recommend Logan if you haven't seen it. Easily the best X-Men movie since X-2 (which isn't saying much, I suppose). It's worth a watch just to see Wolverine stab a man in the head. [Edited 12/7/17 1:25am]


I know the story of George Miller's "Justice League", but seeing him as an action director directing an actual Superhero action flick would be interesting plus he's leagues above all other "action directors" and can make a turd of a story look awesome...
Ben Affleck should just leave DC since his Batman wasn't all that, his stuntman, the design and directing of his action sequences however were awesome... Ben Affleck should be replaced by someone who can actually act...
"Logan" was garbage like the other two "Wolverine" movies... Shitty acted (save for Jackman and Merchant) an annoying kid stinking up the movie and "Fuck" bombs for no reason other than to have the public gasp at the fact Xavier is using it... This was such a boring movie like the last 3/4 of "The Wolverine" and that first movie...

Neversin.



Yeah, George Miller is a great action director but a shit story is a shit story, regardless of who's directing. Fury Road was great but it didn't have a shit story. It had no story. Movies like Fury Road and The Raid work because there's no attempt at telling a story. They let the visuals speak for themselves. But to have an actively bad story, as would have been the case in George Miller's Justice League, there's no amount of great action scenes that would make up for that.

I actually think I could have done without the cursing in Logan. It made it feel that bit more childish but I liked the movie as a whole.


Out of interest, who do you think should have gotten the Batman role? Considering they were going for a more grizzled version of the character, I think Ben Affleck did a great job with what he had. Although personally, I'd have made the character a bit older and cast Mel Gibson. But who would you have went with?
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Reply #64 posted 12/07/17 4:20am

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EmmaMcG said:

Neversin said:


I know the story of George Miller's "Justice League", but seeing him as an action director directing an actual Superhero action flick would be interesting plus he's leagues above all other "action directors" and can make a turd of a story look awesome...
Ben Affleck should just leave DC since his Batman wasn't all that, his stuntman, the design and directing of his action sequences however were awesome... Ben Affleck should be replaced by someone who can actually act...
"Logan" was garbage like the other two "Wolverine" movies... Shitty acted (save for Jackman and Merchant) an annoying kid stinking up the movie and "Fuck" bombs for no reason other than to have the public gasp at the fact Xavier is using it... This was such a boring movie like the last 3/4 of "The Wolverine" and that first movie...

Neversin.

Yeah, George Miller is a great action director but a shit story is a shit story, regardless of who's directing. Fury Road was great but it didn't have a shit story. It had no story. Movies like Fury Road and The Raid work because there's no attempt at telling a story. They let the visuals speak for themselves. But to have an actively bad story, as would have been the case in George Miller's Justice League, there's no amount of great action scenes that would make up for that. I actually think I could have done without the cursing in Logan. It made it feel that bit more childish but I liked the movie as a whole. Out of interest, who do you think should have gotten the Batman role? Considering they were going for a more grizzled version of the character, I think Ben Affleck did a great job with what he had. Although personally, I'd have made the character a bit older and cast Mel Gibson. But who would you have went with?



Josh Brolin

Jeffrey Dean Morgan (ended up playing Thomas Wayne and since everything is pointing to "Flashpoint" for "The Flash" movie he'll end up being him...)
Jon Hamm

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Reply #65 posted 12/07/17 6:59am

EmmaMcG

Neversin said:



EmmaMcG said:


Neversin said:



I know the story of George Miller's "Justice League", but seeing him as an action director directing an actual Superhero action flick would be interesting plus he's leagues above all other "action directors" and can make a turd of a story look awesome...
Ben Affleck should just leave DC since his Batman wasn't all that, his stuntman, the design and directing of his action sequences however were awesome... Ben Affleck should be replaced by someone who can actually act...
"Logan" was garbage like the other two "Wolverine" movies... Shitty acted (save for Jackman and Merchant) an annoying kid stinking up the movie and "Fuck" bombs for no reason other than to have the public gasp at the fact Xavier is using it... This was such a boring movie like the last 3/4 of "The Wolverine" and that first movie...

Neversin.



Yeah, George Miller is a great action director but a shit story is a shit story, regardless of who's directing. Fury Road was great but it didn't have a shit story. It had no story. Movies like Fury Road and The Raid work because there's no attempt at telling a story. They let the visuals speak for themselves. But to have an actively bad story, as would have been the case in George Miller's Justice League, there's no amount of great action scenes that would make up for that. I actually think I could have done without the cursing in Logan. It made it feel that bit more childish but I liked the movie as a whole. Out of interest, who do you think should have gotten the Batman role? Considering they were going for a more grizzled version of the character, I think Ben Affleck did a great job with what he had. Although personally, I'd have made the character a bit older and cast Mel Gibson. But who would you have went with?



Josh Brolin


Jeffrey Dean Morgan (ended up playing Thomas Wayne and since everything is pointing to "Flashpoint" for "The Flash" movie he'll end up being him...)
Jon Hamm

Neversin.



Yeah, all good choices I think. Josh Brolin would have been ideal if he wasn't already under contract with Marvel. I think Ben Affleck was hired in the hope that he would also direct the solo Batman movie but as has been discussed here already, Warner don't seem to know what direction to go in so maybe it would be better for all involved if Affleck was to move on to other things. He doesn't seem to be enjoying himself so I think they should probably kill Bruce Wayne in the solo movie and have Dick Grayson take over as Batman. That way they can bring a younger actor in and persue whatever new direction they want to take the series in.
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Reply #66 posted 12/07/17 2:01pm

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I saw it last week
I thought it was so cool to see all the superheroes together on screen but honestly the movie was flat out boring until the last 30 minutes.i had to fight to stay awake.my eyes kept wanting to close.im shocked at the reports of the green lantern being in the movie.i must've missed that confused
Very cool seeing Prince and David Bowie on the big screen though biggrin
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Reply #67 posted 12/07/17 3:24pm

EmmaMcG

dance4me3121 said:

I saw it last week
I thought it was so cool to see all the superheroes together on screen but honestly the movie was flat out boring until the last 30 minutes.i had to fight to stay awake.my eyes kept wanting to close.im shocked at the reports of the green lantern being in the movie.i must've missed that confused
Very cool seeing Prince and David Bowie on the big screen though biggrin
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In the flashback scene where Diana is explaining the history behind the mother boxes it shows a big war between Steppenwolf and The Amazons, Humans and Atlanteans, who also have on their side mythological figures as well as a Green Lantern, who is killed. After he dies his ring comes off and flies away.

I kind of had the opposite feeling to you. The last 30 minutes is what I found to be less interesting. It kind of just followed the same template as Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman where the heroes take on a CG villain. I liked the interactions between the characters and I much prefer this version of Superman to the miserable one in Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. Danny Elfman bringing back the proper Batman theme and incorporating the John Williams Superman theme was a major highlight for me, as was the opening scene where it showed Gotham City looking the way Gotham City should look. Makes me want to see a full on Batman movie set in that world without any CGI distractions. Just use Jared Leto's Joker and maybe Harley Quinn as the villains and they're onto a winner. Especially if they include more fights in the style of the Arkham games like they had in Dawn of Justice.
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Reply #68 posted 12/09/17 5:18pm

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EmmaMcG said:

Neversin said:



EmmaMcG said:


Neversin said:



I know the story of George Miller's "Justice League", but seeing him as an action director directing an actual Superhero action flick would be interesting plus he's leagues above all other "action directors" and can make a turd of a story look awesome...
Ben Affleck should just leave DC since his Batman wasn't all that, his stuntman, the design and directing of his action sequences however were awesome... Ben Affleck should be replaced by someone who can actually act...
"Logan" was garbage like the other two "Wolverine" movies... Shitty acted (save for Jackman and Merchant) an annoying kid stinking up the movie and "Fuck" bombs for no reason other than to have the public gasp at the fact Xavier is using it... This was such a boring movie like the last 3/4 of "The Wolverine" and that first movie...

Neversin.



Yeah, George Miller is a great action director but a shit story is a shit story, regardless of who's directing. Fury Road was great but it didn't have a shit story. It had no story. Movies like Fury Road and The Raid work because there's no attempt at telling a story. They let the visuals speak for themselves. But to have an actively bad story, as would have been the case in George Miller's Justice League, there's no amount of great action scenes that would make up for that. I actually think I could have done without the cursing in Logan. It made it feel that bit more childish but I liked the movie as a whole. Out of interest, who do you think should have gotten the Batman role? Considering they were going for a more grizzled version of the character, I think Ben Affleck did a great job with what he had. Although personally, I'd have made the character a bit older and cast Mel Gibson. But who would you have went with?



Josh Brolin


Jeffrey Dean Morgan (ended up playing Thomas Wayne and since everything is pointing to "Flashpoint" for "The Flash" movie he'll end up being him...)
Jon Hamm

Neversin.



Yeah, all good choices I think. Josh Brolin would have been ideal if he wasn't already under contract with Marvel. I think Ben Affleck was hired in the hope that he would also direct the solo Batman movie but as has been discussed here already, Warner don't seem to know what direction to go in so maybe it would be better for all involved if Affleck was to move on to other things. He doesn't seem to be enjoying himself so I think they should probably kill Bruce Wayne in the solo movie and have Dick Grayson take over as Batman. That way they can bring a younger actor in and persue whatever new direction they want to take the series in.


Rumour has it that Disney bought Fox... My initial reaction was that Star Wars OG trilogy will hopefully finally get a proper release on blu... But then I thought about Jackman and Steward retiring their characters... Even though I loathe the MCU, Disney aquiring Fox would be a step towards a huge MCU and a perfect opportunity to start a proper MCU... Just imagine "Logan" with Hulk as it's supposed to be...

Neversin.
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Reply #69 posted 12/11/17 6:51pm

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Finally saw "Justice League" on Saturday night. The only time I even smiled was in the beginning...the newspaper shot of Bowie, Prince Superman. Other than that...disbelief Crisis on Earth X was better, and even that was super cheesy. Blow the franchise up, try again...

Make it so, Number One...
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Reply #70 posted 12/12/17 3:33am

EmmaMcG

UncleJam said:

Finally saw "Justice League" on Saturday night. The only time I even smiled was in the beginning...the newspaper shot of Bowie, Prince Superman. Other than that...disbelief Crisis on Earth X was better, and even that was super cheesy. Blow the franchise up, try again...



I still don't think it's beyond saving. Dawn of Justice was butchered upon release but the directors cut is a much more cohesive film. Suicide Squad is another movie that reeks of studio interference and the Justice League movie changed directors 3 quarters of the way through production AND the studio were too involved in the final edit.

So far the most successful movie has been Wonder Woman and I don't think it's a coincidence that it's also the movie with the least amount of studio meddling. What Warner Bros need to do is hire a writer and director and just leave them to it.
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