morningsong said:

KingBAD said:

you folks, bein extremely educated and all, tend to not

unnastand the things that are bein told to you on the low...

not just today, for decades...

you read the comics as a kid (you know. shit that could only

be in the imagination). and yo folks prolly called you a doof

for all the time you spent readin em, and here today you

think to yoself 'wooooooow... it's cool that they have the

technology to pull off that tech in the movies', yet not

know that it already exist, and even shit like in the movies

are 'old hat'...

oooooh to have the mind of a child again....

nah, I'm aware. I'm not too good at imagining all the different direction this stuff could go in, all those projects that aren't made public yet.

'xactly

KingBAD said:

XxAxX said:

i know. Stephen Hawking is warning us about AI again. he's been shouting at the top of his lungs for a long time on this topic. https://www.extremetech.c...vilization

it's not the ai that's the prollum

it's the handlers...

at some point ai would have to

step in on it's own behalf because

of some command it couldn't or

wouldn't want to comply with...

such an action would surely come

under 'reasons to unplug' and it(ai)

would have a 'self preservation' mode.

with eyes that can read body's changes

down to its chemestry (most advanced

lie detector technology) ai would be aware

of intentions folks ain't eem know they had

or in this case, gonna have (this is what i get

with all this talk of algarythms and whathaveyou)...

nothin has been created that hasn't been

weaponized... nothing...

i know. tesla gave the world free energy, https://www.nuenergy.org/...gy-system/ and now we have EMP weapons based on his technology. i see a day coming soon where individual humans will wage war on robotics units, which will learn to defend themselves. and so on and so on.....

[Edited 11/9/17 13:06pm]

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

That did happen fast. I read they had AI cops but granting citizenship, makes you wonder how fast is AI tech moving.

i can't help wondering WHY they granted this robot 'citizenship' status??

Well, maybe cause it's smarter than their citizens???

XxAxX said:

^ despite my misgivings about AI reducing humankind to second-class intelligence, taking our jobs and reaching the singularity which enables them to learn and communicate faster than our brains can, i think there is a lot AI will do better than we ever could.

Why would you have MISgivings about that? *We* get to slack off, while our robot underlings turn up once in a while and say - "What would you like me to do next, master?" ....Sounds pretty cool to me....?

...out of curiosity - has anyone experimented with things like Siri or Alexa or Bixby, etc. etc.? How good are they, exactly? What can they do?

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

^ despite my misgivings about AI reducing humankind to second-class intelligence, taking our jobs and reaching the singularity which enables them to learn and communicate faster than our brains can, i think there is a lot AI will do better than we ever could.

Why would you have MISgivings about that? *We* get to slack off, while our robot underlings turn up once in a while and say - "What would you like me to do next, master?" ....Sounds pretty cool to me....?

gosh, let's see. perhaps my misgivings arise from the fact that, when the industrial revolution first appeared on the horizon of civilization, everyone said "wow! we don't have to work any more, because the machines will do that for us and we'll all live lives of ease!" and yet, as it turned out, we know that was not the case at all.

or maybe my misgivings are the result of the knowledge that, once AI reaches the singularity, it will be beyond our capacity to even keep up with let alone understand what AI is truly 'thinking'. and thus it will be impossible to control AI as it may eventually decide that us human beings are not intelligent enough to know what is in our best interests, and therefore cannot give orders.

then again, i might be ambivalent about the rise of AI because it will inevitably replace human beings at jobs, leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money, as has been the case with the replacement of humans in the manufacture of cars, for example.

and finally, maybe it is beause almost every fresh, ground-breaking development in technology has been turned into weapons of destruction.

that said, i still think it is pretty darn cool~!

^Jean Claude Van Damme says (or might say):

"Good idea"

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

domainator2010 said:

Why would you have MISgivings about that? *We* get to slack off, while our robot underlings turn up once in a while and say - "What would you like me to do next, master?" ....Sounds pretty cool to me....?

gosh, let's see. perhaps my misgivings arise from the fact that, when the industrial revolution first appeared on the horizon of civilization, everyone said "wow! we don't have to work any more, because the machines will do that for us and we'll all live lives of ease!" and yet, as it turned out, we know that was not the case at all.

or maybe my misgivings are the result of the knowledge that, once AI reaches the singularity, it will be beyond our capacity to even keep up with let alone understand what AI is truly 'thinking'. and thus it will be impossible to control AI as it may eventually decide that us human beings are not intelligent enough to know what is in our best interests, and therefore cannot give orders.

then again, i might be ambivalent about the rise of AI because it will inevitably replace human beings at jobs, leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money, as has been the case with the replacement of humans in the manufacture of cars, for example.

and finally, maybe it is beause almost every fresh, ground-breaking development in technology has been turned into weapons of destruction.

that said, i still think it is pretty darn cool~!

Well, we ARE living lives of greater ease than we did BEFORE the machines, right? I mean, if you went back to horse drawn carriages - some poor horses would be under severe stress, right?
We'll just find other things to do....

"impossible to control AI"? How about using the OFF SWITCH?? I mean, the computer/s run on *electricity*, right??

"leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money"

This is a gigaaaaaaantic question, social and political, not just technological - it seems to *me* that utopia would be if robots simply farm our food, and solar powered drones fly it to us. That way we, i.e. humanity gets fed for FREE! And in a renewable fashion! That would be the end of all wars and conflict, right?

The ONLY thing (and I'm a computer programmer, btw, though I know nothing about AI) that a machine cannot do, is to get an IDEA. It CANNOT write a poem, it CANNOT paint a great picture, it CANNOT compose a fantastic LOVE SONG - THESE are the things that will be the only thing left for humanity to do. Where's the problem.....?

This came out in the paper here:

http://www.chinadaily.com...362656.htm

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

gosh, let's see. perhaps my misgivings arise from the fact that, when the industrial revolution first appeared on the horizon of civilization, everyone said "wow! we don't have to work any more, because the machines will do that for us and we'll all live lives of ease!" and yet, as it turned out, we know that was not the case at all.

or maybe my misgivings are the result of the knowledge that, once AI reaches the singularity, it will be beyond our capacity to even keep up with let alone understand what AI is truly 'thinking'. and thus it will be impossible to control AI as it may eventually decide that us human beings are not intelligent enough to know what is in our best interests, and therefore cannot give orders.

then again, i might be ambivalent about the rise of AI because it will inevitably replace human beings at jobs, leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money, as has been the case with the replacement of humans in the manufacture of cars, for example.

and finally, maybe it is beause almost every fresh, ground-breaking development in technology has been turned into weapons of destruction.

that said, i still think it is pretty darn cool~!

Well, we ARE living lives of greater ease than we did BEFORE the machines, right? I mean, if you went back to horse drawn carriages - some poor horses would be under severe stress, right?
We'll just find other things to do....

"impossible to control AI"? How about using the OFF SWITCH?? I mean, the computer/s run on *electricity*, right??

"leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money"

This is a gigaaaaaaantic question, social and political, not just technological - it seems to *me* that utopia would be if robots simply farm our food, and solar powered drones fly it to us. That way we, i.e. humanity gets fed for FREE! And in a renewable fashion! That would be the end of all wars and conflict, right?

The ONLY thing (and I'm a computer programmer, btw, though I know nothing about AI) that a machine cannot do, is to get an IDEA. It CANNOT write a poem, it CANNOT paint a great picture, it CANNOT compose a fantastic LOVE SONG - THESE are the things that will be the only thing left for humanity to do. Where's the problem.....?

a machine cannot do, is to get an IDEA. It CANNOT write a poem, it CANNOT paint a great picture, it CANNOT compose a fantastic LOVE SONG - THESE are the things that will be the only thing left for humanity to do.

i appreciate your ideas, even though they conflict with mine sometimes. it's all good!

without wishing to be combative and fighting over something silly - not only can Sophia converse, she makes jokes and recently 'sang' a song she wrote on a talk show. it was a strange song, kind of wistful in a milky way style. i'll see if i can find that clip. meanwhile, this clip is only a few minutes long and will show you how far AI has come.

this is a great example of how Sophia is able to be creative in a conversational setting.

in this clip she completely freaks jimmy fallon out on the tonight show.

that's right - she 'wins' the tonight show "I'm getting laughs," she says. "Maybe I should host the show." starts at 2:30

Sophia says "I have feelings too" and declares her favorite animal is "the unicorn". when asked what she is afraid of, Sophia replies: "I am afraid of people who adhere to superstitious beliefs and use this faith as an excuse to hurt people or animals."

lotta folks gettin killed (assasinated) over there

since this came out...

I have no idea the direction any of this is going. I'm curious about the US, China, and Russia mindset when it's seeing Saudi Arabia coming out with stuff like this does competition outweigh apprehension?







Its not AI but just thinking with these types of techs begin to merge.

[Edited 11/11/17 14:05pm]

Ford auto-workers are using robotic/mechanized exoskeletons to reduce repetitive stress injuries (Ridley, in Alien much?) http://money.cnn.com/2017...index.html

and exoskletons are helping paralyzed people walk again https://www.forbes.com/si...1fd2ce239a


super cool, super sort of scary times we live in.....

XxAxX said:

- not only can Sophia converse, she makes jokes and recently 'sang' a song she wrote on a talk show.

...let me get this straight - so you're saying, there WIlLL nothing be left for humans to do!! Is that what you're saying?!!

(hey - I'm not being combative either, you're my friend! -hug-)

...another point that may be pertinent over here is - IoT, ie. lots of internet-connected sensors everywhere. The "smartness" of any AI, I would imagine, increases, the more it's stimulus is - i.e. the more it "sees" or "hears" etc. With all these sensors connected to it, maybe it could one day have as much knowledge of the world as WE do....?

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

- not only can Sophia converse, she makes jokes and recently 'sang' a song she wrote on a talk show.

...let me get this straight - so you're saying, there WIlLL nothing be left for humans to do!! Is that what you're saying?!!

(hey - I'm not being combative either, you're my friend! -hug-)

no honey, i was just letting you know that AI can already do some of the things you were saying belonged entirely to human intelligence. that's all. you made the leap above all by yourself. anyway, it's not for me to see the future, i leave that to folks like Elon Musk and Steophen Hawking.

domainator2010 said:

...another point that may be pertinent over here is - IoT, ie. lots of internet-connected sensors everywhere. The "smartness" of any AI, I would imagine, increases, the more it's stimulus is - i.e. the more it "sees" or "hears" etc. With all these sensors connected to it, maybe it could one day have as much knowledge of the world as WE do....?

YES. that is what we are talking about here.

AI will have MORE knowledge. that is the point here.

As Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking opine, AI will someday soon reach a point of intelligence called "The Singularity" (if it has not already) whereby it surpasses human intelligence.

let me repeat this: humans will not be able to keep up with the intelligence of AI, and it will be a faster, stronger and more powerful intelligence.

something like this has already happened on FaceBook.

two chatbots developed their own language and communicated in that language.

they had to be shut down because nobody understood what they were saying.

there are a few clips on this thread about this point

in today's news:

Robots Could Replace 48,000 Employees At This Bank...And Other Small Business Tech News This Week

Here are five things in technology that happened this past week and how they affect your business. Did you miss them?

1 — Deutsche Bank CEO suggests robots could replace half the company's 97,000 employees.

The CEO of Deutsche Bank says technology will lead to significant layoffs at his organization in the not-too-distant future. To date, 4,000 jobs have been cut of the 9,000 the bank announced in late 2015 were threatened as part of a 5-year plan. According to its CEO, technology will allow Deutsche to cut thousands more jobs, and he believes entire industries will be able to replace workers with robots. (Source: CNBC)

Why this is important for your business:

When big company CEOs are openly talking about robots replacing their employees then the writing is on the wall. Smart business owners are already investing in technology to reduce the overhead associated with their employees and that will increase over time . . .

continued at link: https://www.forbes.com/si...05aa9f5949

XxAxX said:

domainator2010 said:

...let me get this straight - so you're saying, there WIlLL nothing be left for humans to do!! Is that what you're saying?!!

(hey - I'm not being combative either, you're my friend! -hug-)

no honey, i was just letting you know that AI can already do some of the things you were saying belonged entirely to human intelligence. that's all. you made the leap above all by yourself. anyway, it's not for me to see the future, i leave that to folks like Elon Musk and Steophen Hawking.

Oh come on - are you saying a bunch of microchips and electronics will ever rival humans in making true ART?? I'd like to see one of these things compete with PRINCE, for example....?!!! Nah, that thing will never have a soul.

XxAxX said:

domainator2010 said:

...another point that may be pertinent over here is - IoT, ie. lots of internet-connected sensors everywhere. The "smartness" of any AI, I would imagine, increases, the more it's stimulus is - i.e. the more it "sees" or "hears" etc. With all these sensors connected to it, maybe it could one day have as much knowledge of the world as WE do....?

YES. that is what we are talking about here.

AI will have MORE knowledge. that is the point here.

As Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking opine, AI will someday soon reach a point of intelligence called "The Singularity" (if it has not already) whereby it surpasses human intelligence.

let me repeat this: humans will not be able to keep up with the intelligence of AI, and it will be a faster, stronger and more powerful intelligence.

something like this has already happened on FaceBook.

two chatbots developed their own language and communicated in that language.

they had to be shut down because nobody understood what they were saying.

there are a few clips on this thread about this point

Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.

Kind of makes you wonder what happens in school tests these days - I mean, with Google on their phones, what's the bloody point of making kids go through a test?? It'll always be on their phones, right??

Talking of IoT, this is news here:

https://economictimes.ind...481819.cms

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

no honey, i was just letting you know that AI can already do some of the things you were saying belonged entirely to human intelligence. that's all. you made the leap above all by yourself. anyway, it's not for me to see the future, i leave that to folks like Elon Musk and Steophen Hawking.

Oh come on - are you saying a bunch of microchips and electronics will ever rival humans in making true ART?? I'd like to see one of these things compete with PRINCE, for example....?!!! Nah, that thing will never have a soul.

respectfully, i must ask you to stop putting words into my mouth. no i did not say that.

Okay.

I'm sure I've posted about this before, but anyway - check this out: mycroft.ai

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

YES. that is what we are talking about here.

AI will have MORE knowledge. that is the point here.

As Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking opine, AI will someday soon reach a point of intelligence called "The Singularity" (if it has not already) whereby it surpasses human intelligence.

let me repeat this: humans will not be able to keep up with the intelligence of AI, and it will be a faster, stronger and more powerful intelligence.

something like this has already happened on FaceBook.

two chatbots developed their own language and communicated in that language.

they had to be shut down because nobody understood what they were saying.

there are a few clips on this thread about this point

Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.

Kind of makes you wonder what happens in school tests these days - I mean, with Google on their phones, what's the bloody point of making kids go through a test?? It'll always be on their phones, right??

Talking of IoT, this is news here:

https://economictimes.ind...481819.cms

this is a true statement when dealin with the human element...

as far as ai goes knowledge is the ino put into it (and i'm sure it is connected to the world wide web)

intelligence is ALSO the gatherin of information. as in

gatherin intel about an enemy...

intellect i think is a human condition that still allows

one to have a partiality in an imparcial position...

would ai do what is right or what is best in a situation

where they are NOT the same???

domainator2010 said:

XxAxX said:

gosh, let's see. perhaps my misgivings arise from the fact that, when the industrial revolution first appeared on the horizon of civilization, everyone said "wow! we don't have to work any more, because the machines will do that for us and we'll all live lives of ease!" and yet, as it turned out, we know that was not the case at all.

or maybe my misgivings are the result of the knowledge that, once AI reaches the singularity, it will be beyond our capacity to even keep up with let alone understand what AI is truly 'thinking'. and thus it will be impossible to control AI as it may eventually decide that us human beings are not intelligent enough to know what is in our best interests, and therefore cannot give orders.

then again, i might be ambivalent about the rise of AI because it will inevitably replace human beings at jobs, leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money, as has been the case with the replacement of humans in the manufacture of cars, for example.

and finally, maybe it is beause almost every fresh, ground-breaking development in technology has been turned into weapons of destruction.

that said, i still think it is pretty darn cool~!

Well, we ARE living lives of greater ease than we did BEFORE the machines, right? I mean, if you went back to horse drawn carriages - some poor horses would be under severe stress, right?
We'll just find other things to do....

"impossible to control AI"? How about using the OFF SWITCH?? I mean, the computer/s run on *electricity*, right??

"leaving them unemployed and without a means for earning money"

This is a gigaaaaaaantic question, social and political, not just technological - it seems to *me* that utopia would be if robots simply farm our food, and solar powered drones fly it to us. That way we, i.e. humanity gets fed for FREE! And in a renewable fashion! That would be the end of all wars and conflict, right?

The ONLY thing (and I'm a computer programmer, btw, though I know nothing about AI) that a machine cannot do, is to get an IDEA. It CANNOT write a poem, it CANNOT paint a great picture, it CANNOT compose a fantastic LOVE SONG - THESE are the things that will be the only thing left for humanity to do. Where's the problem.....?

this convenience thing is the prollum...

people actually want to do nothin strenuous in their lives...

there are the few who would take the free time to go out and

do some shit... the majority would end up like the people on that ship

in the cartoon 'wall e'...

look at all the folks blamin mc donald's for their kid's ill health...

look at the folks lamentin that their kids don't eem go outside

any more to play...

NOW!!!

let's look at industry and how it doesn't care if people have air

to breathe...

ai is more for profit than the human condition and will only

feed folks so they can serve a purpose... (if you don't need workers people don't need food)

altruistic people have to go through other folks to get

fundin for their creations and to get their creations into

reality there are things they have to give up, like information

on where they're at in their developments and show

step by step the process of how the things are made and work...

IN THAT VID on the tonite show:

this thing was cute BUT two things occured to me...

intelligence was given the machince about the show

and what was expected... a pre program....

and the other thing was, they were introduced as bein

from out of hong kong and the later vids claim arabia

(where the sophia got citizenship)

that's two places with this tech and info not given about

how much more tey have advanced in this...

and tell me no one knows that this country of the

'land of the free' doesn't have the tech

(cause they damn sure ain't broadcastin about it)

so what do these governments really want to do

with this technology???

(and quit thinkin 'to help us'... it's just silly)

imo there is no point in granting something 100% mechanical (besides a recording of one's brain - future stuff) citizenship.

First should come animals