morningsong said:

Yep 2 envelopes and somebody forgot to take theirs out the pile.

Why two? Eeek what an unfortunate thing to happen in any case!

sonshine said:

Unfortunate for Beatty and Dunaway, but why the hell didn't he say "Hold up, we've got a problem here, I've clearly got the wrong envelope".

It was obvious he knew something was wrong, I don't get why he just didn't say something ... no one would have thought any less. In fact he'd have probably gotten some kudos for having the balls to say hang on a sec someone f*cked up ...

DaveT said:

EmmaMcG said:

DaveT said:

Unfortunate for Beatty and Dunaway, but why the hell didn't he say "Hold up, we've got a problem here, I've clearly got the wrong envelope".

It was obvious he knew something was wrong, I don't get why he just didn't say something ... no one would have thought any less. In fact he'd have probably gotten some kudos for having the balls to say hang on a sec someone f*cked up ...

Maybe he just panicked? I kind of feel sorry for him. Some people are calling him an arsehole for handing the envelope to faye dunaway so she'd get the flak for saying the wrong name but I don't think that's what he did. I think he was showing her what it said in the hope that they could maybe save the situation without alerting anyone and instead, she just seen "La La Land" written down and blurted it out. Obviously, with hindsight, he should have said "I think they gave me the wrong envelope" but in the moment, he probably just panicked. It's not as though presenters at these shows expect something like that to go wrong. If he's still alive next year. I bet they'll have him present another award and spoof this incident though.

Totally right with showing it to Faye in a kind of "Am I reading that right?" way, that's what it looked like to me as well, and wrong of people to level that sort of abuse at him for it. He's been on stage before though so I'd expect a little more from him than deer-in-the-headlights panic.

I feel bad for Moonlight as it won legitimately but that's always going to be overshadowed now.

Interesting that the law firm PWC (Price Waterhouse Cooper) who were responsible for organising the envelope and winners part of the show have held their hands up. They came to our company a couple of years back to oversee a massive restructure, and they f*cked that up to. They were also given a kicking last year for telling a female employee she had to come to work in high heels.

DaveT said:

Empress said:

This fiasco had nothing to do with Warren Beatty. The fault lies with th folks behind the scenes who are responsible for managing the envelopes. They are the ones that f*cked up. Congratulations to Moonlight.

Peeps handed envelopes to open take it for granted that they have been given the right envelope.

Great, give Alex Jones and Breitbart a story for the next year. They will say it was a pc thang. Haven't seen Moonlight.

IT WAS A RACIST PLOT TO ROB THE BLACK FOLKS OF THEIR "MOMENT!"

The Oscars spread the wealth last night, acknowledging most of the standout films of 2016 in some significant way.

The show itself was as entertaining as I've seen in years. ufoclub was right: the tour bus bit was gold.

Matt Damon's a great sport.

Viola Davis gave the best Oscar speech I've ever heard.

Moonlight got its due and proper. Respect to the La La Land team for its grace.

[Edited 2/27/17 12:29pm]

EmmaMcG said:

Aside from the monumental cock-up at the end, it was a decent enough show. Jimmy Kimmel was ok as presenter and I think the people who won deserved it (for the most part). On a personal level, I was disappointed that Denzel didn't win for best actor and Mel Gibson didn't win for best director but realistically, Mel never stood a chance and Casey Affleck was brilliant so I can't be too upset. Next year, I'd like to see something a bit different. Maybe change up the formula a bit and add a few categories like Best Stunt and Best Action Choreography. And after what happened this year, it would be funny if Steve Harvey is on hosting duties next year. Failing that, maybe someone like Jerry Seinfeld,who wastes no time telling people what he thinks of these kinds of events could host. Although, my personal choice would be Conan O'Brien.

That's a great idea ... not enough props given for this of the industry.

I'd like them to take the Best Picture category back down to five films like it always was. Its tough to get it down to five, but having so many lessens the achievement of getting nominated ... plus I lose track of how many get nominated and what they are!

EmmaMcG said:

Aside from the monumental cock-up at the end, it was a decent enough show. Jimmy Kimmel was ok as presenter and I think the people who won deserved it (for the most part). On a personal level, I was disappointed that Denzel didn't win for best actor and Mel Gibson didn't win for best director but realistically, Mel never stood a chance and Casey Affleck was brilliant so I can't be too upset.

You've already stated why you preferred Denzel Washington over Casey Affleck in the best actor category. So why don't you feel the same about Mel Gibson with the domestic violence allegations against him?

Casey deserved it. Ali deserved it; Viola deserved it.

sexton said:

Mel Gibson? eww

2freaky4church1 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Is the Oprah aftershow still on?

EmmaMcG said:

sexton said:

You've already stated why you preferred Denzel Washington over Casey Affleck in the best actor category. So why don't you feel the same about Mel Gibson with the domestic violence allegations against him?

I never said I wanted Casey Affleck to lose because of any domestic violence claims. I said that stuff doesn't matter when judging his performance in a movie. The reason I wanted Denzel to win is the same reason I wanted Mel Gibson to win. I'm a fan of their previous work.

We misunderstood each other then. In the Oscar nominations thread I said SAG voters were biased because of the allegations against Casey Affleck and that was why he didn't win a Screen Actors Guild award. And you replied that you hoped the Academy felt the same way. I didn't realize you meant for different reasons.

sexton said:

I agree that La La Land had better directing

2freaky4church1 said:

Casey deserved it. Ali deserved it; Viola deserved it.

I would have liked for Denzel to win it, because he's one of my 3-4 favorite actors ever, and he once again turned in a classic performance.

But for all the horrible things he was accused of, for which, unlike Nate Parker (who was acquitted), he received the benefit of the doubt from Hollywood . . . Casey Affleck gave an Oscar-worthy performance. He was good in Manchester. He's been good before, in Gone Baby Gone. This wasn't a robbery by any stretch.

[Edited 2/27/17 9:50am]

ufoclub said:

Tour bus peeps was gold!

That was really, really good!

In case you missed the finale...