Goddess4Real said:

nursev said:

Ramsey Bolton ass must die I think he is more hated than Joffrey or Ollie

Ramsey makes Joffrery look like a boy scout even his letter to Jon Snow was vicious evillol:

He sure does. The thing that makes Ramsey worse is that even though Joffrey was evil, he was a complete idiot. The only reason why he had followers was because of his title, on the otherhand, Ramsey is not only sadistic but very clever. He doesn't put a whole lot of stock into titles, his main thirst is for power and loves torturing people for fun. Reminds you of the "Mad King" that they keep referring to. But I have no doubt, Jon will put an end to Ramsey by the time the season is over.

Shawy89 said:

missfee said:

I love how they are presenting Tyrion as if he's the King and showing off his much underrated leadership skills. He's so hilarious but at the same time, he makes intelligent moves. One would be a fool not to have him on their team...or "counsel" as we should say.

I don't know, in the early seasons, Tyrion was the cool cat amongst the bunch cause nobody liked him and nobody gave a fuck about his opinions.

Now he's, as you said, treated as a mighty respected counselor. I just miss Tyrion being this underrated dude, just walking to the Lannister meeting room where his father Tywin and his sister and the rest of the counsel took HOURS to discuss a problem and he just... cracks up a joke and at the same time hands a very intelligent solution.

But, we shall see. Btw I still think Littlefinger is the smartest character in Westeros. I think he's going be a unexpected threat to many.

I think Littlefinger is a cockroach and should be the only villain a live at the end of this tv series.

Out of all the villains he is the most cunning villain.

My theory:

Jon Snow will not return to his previous job. Instead he will lead an army of wildings against Ramsey.

Jon Snow and the wildings, with the help of surrounding towns loyality to the starks, Littlefinger's backing army, and a surprise help from Theon. I also think Theon will sacrafice himself in order to kill Ramsey, either by his blade or another's (Sansa's). It could as easily be the murder of Sansa by Ramsey and Theon then kills Ramsey, but not in time to save Sansa.

I hope they cleanse the high Sparrow and followers for good.

The Iron chair is about to go to war with Dorne.

I need more White Walkers action!

Phishanga said:

I need more White Walkers action!

I think you'll get your wish before the season is over....we are midway through. Episode 5 is Sunday. I guess time flies when Jon Snow gets resurrected.

Phishanga said:

I need more White Walkers action!

We will get some, but not much this season. For when they come that will be the beginning of the end of the series. We have at most 2 more seasons left.

kewlschool said:

Shawy89 said:

I don't know, in the early seasons, Tyrion was the cool cat amongst the bunch cause nobody liked him and nobody gave a fuck about his opinions.

Now he's, as you said, treated as a mighty respected counselor. I just miss Tyrion being this underrated dude, just walking to the Lannister meeting room where his father Tywin and his sister and the rest of the counsel took HOURS to discuss a problem and he just... cracks up a joke and at the same time hands a very intelligent solution.

But, we shall see. Btw I still think Littlefinger is the smartest character in Westeros. I think he's going be a unexpected threat to many.

I think Littlefinger is a cockroach and should be the only villain a live at the end of this tv series.

Out of all the villains he is the most cunning villain.

That Baelish character is fucking awesome.

Petyr Baelish: I hear you're reading a boring book.
Eddard Stark: Hm. Pycelle talks too much.
Petyr Baelish: Oh, he never stops. Do you know Ser Hugh of the Vale?
[Ned shakes his head]
Petyr Baelish: Not surprising. Until recently, he was only a squire. Jon Arryn's squire. He was knighted almost immediately after his master's untimely death.
Eddard Stark: Knighted for what?
[Baelish gives him a knowing look]
Eddard Stark: Why are you telling me this?
Petyr Baelish: I promised Cat that I'd help you.
Eddard Stark: Where is Ser Hugh? I'll speak to him.
Petyr Baelish: A singularly bad idea. Do you see that boy, there?
[Baelish nods at the boy]
Petyr Baelish: One of Varys' little birds. The Spider has taken a great interest in your comings and goings. Now look, there.
[Baelish nods at a nearby gardener]
Petyr Baelish: That one belongs to the queen. And do you see that septa pretending to read her book?
[Baelish nods at the septa]
Eddard Stark: Varys or the queen?
Petyr Baelish: No, she's one of mine. Is there someone in your service whom you trust completely?
Eddard Stark: Yes.
Petyr Baelish: The wiser answer was no, my lord. Get a message to this paragon of yours, discreetly. Send him to question Ser Hugh. After that, you might want him to visit a certain armorer in the city. He lives in a large house at the top of the Street of Steel.
Eddard Stark: Why?
Petyr Baelish: I have my observers, as I said, and it's possible that they saw Lord Arryn visit this armorer several times in the weeks before his death.
Eddard Stark: Lord Baelish, perhaps I was wrong to distrust you.
Petyr Baelish: Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you climbed off your horse

missfee said:

It's great to see that we can start back discussing our usual topics again. I've been itching to talk about the return of my man Jon Snow!!!! Yes, he's back!!!! The only thing is, what is different about him. Looks like so far his confidence has wained. And he's quit the Night's Watch, so where is he going to go??? And since Bran is back (yay!!!) and going back in time learning the truth about the past, are we going to find out that Jon isn't his half brother???? Arya, who has no name, has her sight back!!! Theon has found his balls (well not literally), saved Sansa but is going back home to confront his sister. But wait, Sansa has escaped sadistic Ramsey only for us to find that Rickon is now his captive...urgh. I love that Tyrion is running things for the queen but her storyline is kind of boring me. But anyway, having Jon back has been a highlight, given all that I've been feeling the past few weeks. [Edited 5/12/16 5:04am]

Recall what Beric said in S3 -- every time he comes back, he comes back a little less. Good thing Sansa has reunited with him to get his back up and break him of the delusion of a Siesta Down South.

Bran is going full Return of the Jedi/Neo-in-The Matrix this season. The scene previewed is lifted straight from the training program sequence in The Matrix.

A girl is going to work in Braavos.

Those who love Tyrion's maneuvers -- EERILY SIMILAR to the deals cut after Reconstruction and Brown v. Board of Education -- won't find common ground with Khalessi. I think she's going to hate them.

Shawy89 said:

But, we shall see. Btw I still think Littlefinger is the smartest character in Westeros. I think he's going be a unexpected threat to many.

I think that title is shared with Varys and the Three-Eyed Raven (who is by definition omniscient). But Ramsay is up there. Ser Davos would be up there, except in the Game, he's got the tragic burden of a conscience.

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morningsong said:

missfee said:

Well...the dragons are like children...they have minds of their own.

I swear, they're almost pointless.

They're very intuitive though.

They're pointless by design, and for one reason: HBO's Money. It costs so much to get them onscreen they have to swoop in when the moment's right. This is why I think they're having fewer episodes the last 2 seasons -- the dragons and walkers are going to need to be onscreen a lot, costing more money.

missfee said:

Goddess4Real said:

Ramsey makes Joffrery look like a boy scout even his letter to Jon Snow was vicious evillol:

He sure does. The thing that makes Ramsey worse is that even though Joffrey was evil, he was a complete idiot. The only reason why he had followers was because of his title, on the otherhand, Ramsey is not only sadistic but very clever. He doesn't put a whole lot of stock into titles, his main thirst is for power and loves torturing people for fun. Reminds you of the "Mad King" that they keep referring to. But I have no doubt, Jon will put an end to Ramsey by the time the season is over.

Ramsay, however, is one of the smartest characters on the show. He's even more sadistic than Joffrey but as cunning as the Onion Knight and a great strategist like Stannis was supposed to be.

namepeace said:

morningsong said:

missfee said: I swear, they're almost pointless.

They're very intuitive though.

They're pointless by design, and for one reason: HBO's Money. It costs so much to get them onscreen they have to swoop in when the moment's right. This is why I think they're having fewer episodes the last 2 seasons -- the dragons and walkers are going to need to be onscreen a lot, costing more money.

Well, they're pretty much pointless in the books also. What books there are. They've had their moments though. I'm sure they'll be very useful later on.

morningsong said:

namepeace said:

They're very intuitive though.

They're pointless by design, and for one reason: HBO's Money. It costs so much to get them onscreen they have to swoop in when the moment's right. This is why I think they're having fewer episodes the last 2 seasons -- the dragons and walkers are going to need to be onscreen a lot, costing more money.

Well, they're pretty much pointless in the books also. What books there are. They've had their moments though. I'm sure they'll be very useful later on.

Oh, okay. I haven't read the books, but I'm thinking the show has teased them and their power so hard over the last 3 seasons, so they're going to have to put them to use. Maybe even at the end of this season, now that all 3 are out and grown.

missfee said:

Ok soooooo I'm confused. The Children of the Forest created the White Walkers for protection, okay got that, so is this a case "protection" gone wrong? If they created the White Walkers, how come the Children don't have control of them? It's like they created something that is worse than the threat they were facing and have put the whole world at risk. Am I following this right? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm not sure how it's going to go for Sansa, but knowing all of the hell that both she and Jon have gone through, you can't help but to think that things are going to turn out for the better. Things can't get any worse, right?

We haven't seen the end of Littlefinger though. I'm confident about that.

The whole scene with Yara campaigning to be Queen of the Iron Born...well guess all didn't go as expected. I keep feeling like Theon has this intelligent back up plan that has yet to reveal itself.

I feel so sorry for Jorah. In love with your boss who doesn't want you (in that way), but only as her employee. Then having to spar with your co-worker who you know is breaking her back out and he rubs your face in it. It has to be heartbreaking. Now you have to go back out in the world to find a cure for your deathbed disease. I wonder if Jorah ever gets tired of travelling from here to far all the time.

We finally see how Hodor got to be Hodor. Is this telling us that Bran can change the past? Because he did warg Hodor in the present for help, but at the same time he was warged in the past. I'm confused by this too.

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Oh, and poor Arya. They just keep testing her nobodiness. I mean, c'mon, seeing her father's rep being slandered like that. I don't think she's going to make it. But I think she'll do what she was sent to do, gladly, then slip away, grab Needle and be off. I'm crazy about her storyline.


The Children of the Forest screwed up royally, screwing everyone in the process.

But you have to admit the White Walkers are some badasses.


The more I think about the more I'm convinced, Sansa made a bad move, that whole, I'm a Stark overconfidence, which got her father killed and got Rob killed, hell it got Jon killed in a way. Caution seems to be the name of this game. See Tyrion.

morningsong said:

Oh, and poor Arya. They just keep testing her nobodiness. I mean, c'mon, seeing her father's rep being slandered like that. I don't think she's going to make it. But I think she'll do what she was sent to do, gladly, then slip away, grab Needle and be off. I'm crazy about her storyline.
I kind of secretly want Arya to run away too...like learn all that she needs to learn there (how to fight especially. I can't wait for her to kick the Waif on her behind) and then grab Needle and bounce.


The Children of the Forest screwed up royally, screwing everyone in the process.
SMH. Shame. Now "the living" have to cleanup the mess that the Children created.

But you have to admit the White Walkers are some badasses.
They are, but goodness, when are folks finally going to create an army batch of dragon glass and call up Dany to borrow her dragons for back up?


The more I think about the more I'm convinced, Sansa made a bad move, that whole, I'm a Stark overconfidence, which got her father killed and got Rob killed, hell it got Jon killed in a way. Caution seems to be the name of this game. See Tyrion.
Somehow, I believe that Tyrion and Sansa will meet once again.

Oh Hodor...

GAME OF THRONES' MAJOR HODOR REVEAL CAME FROM GEORGE R.R. MARTIN

"Hold the door."

"We had this meeting with George Martin where we're trying to get as much information as possible out of him, and probably the most shocking revelation he had for us was when he told us the origin of Hodor and how that name came about," said Benioff. "I just remember Dan and I looking at each other when he said that and just being like, 'Holy s--t.'"

The origin of Hodor's name and repeated word use came as a consequence of Bran's time travel in the story's present. The Three-Eyed Raven took Bran back to a key scene in Winterfell's courtyard that was previously seen in "Home." But when the Night's King kills the Three-Eyed Raven in the present, Bran is left there alone.

http://m.ign.com/articles...-rr-martin

[Edited 5/23/16 12:29pm]

missfee said:

morningsong said:

Oh, and poor Arya. They just keep testing her nobodiness. I mean, c'mon, seeing her father's rep being slandered like that. I don't think she's going to make it. But I think she'll do what she was sent to do, gladly, then slip away, grab Needle and be off. I'm crazy about her storyline.
I kind of secretly want Arya to run away too...like learn all that she needs to learn there (how to fight especially. I can't wait for her to kick the Waif on her behind) and then grab Needle and bounce.


The Children of the Forest screwed up royally, screwing everyone in the process.
SMH. Shame. Now "the living" have to cleanup the mess that the Children created.

But you have to admit the White Walkers are some badasses.
They are, but goodness, when are folks finally going to create an army batch of dragon glass and call up Dany to borrow her dragons for back up?


The more I think about the more I'm convinced, Sansa made a bad move, that whole, I'm a Stark overconfidence, which got her father killed and got Rob killed, hell it got Jon killed in a way. Caution seems to be the name of this game. See Tyrion.
Somehow, I believe that Tyrion and Sansa will meet once again.

I was shocked when the girl left her spear. Maybe she had to. Hope she has more dragon glass because they have a long way to go with the WW on their tail.

I think Sansa will survive, but I think there will be a price for that undercover move. Hope I'm wrong.

That fell over and laughed moment....




Had to change it out. This one is better.

[Edited 5/23/16 13:07pm]

Things that make you rethink aspects of your philosophy...

Is next week going to be on fire?

morningsong said:

Not quite convinced by the twist tht the Children of the Forest made the White Walkers. For such a big revelation it was basically shown as just an afterthought. Very, very odd. I mean, isn't that the big secret? Everyone wonders about them and that's it? But the twist regarding Hordor was really, really great. I think that was quite emotional. Also, as a book reader, I'd be pissed.

morningsong said:

I hope the Starks aren't gonna mess up, with Sansa lying to Jon Snow, Aya's second chance dilemma and now Bran drama with The Night's King I'm like poor Hodor will he become a WhiteWalker? Can't wait for the next instalment

[Edited 5/23/16 23:38pm]