Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Here we go again......do you folks actually watch/study the game? Lebron is one of the top ten players of all time. Y'all need to get over "The Decision" already and stop comparing his Finals record to Jordan's. You can get on him for losing to Dallas but that's it. That 2007 team was a bunch of scrubs, and last year his main guys were hurt (yet the series went six). This year? No shame in losing to a 73-win team.

And what pro athlete doesn't have a big ego? That's how they got to be pros.

If he is as good as u say..........why dont the refs call his 12 plus violations a game?

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This doesn't make any sense. The refs not calling his "12 plus violations a game" has nothing
to do with his abilities. If we take you for your word (you're probably exaggerating, but that's
fine, I understand your point), it only means that he's getting a pass from refs due to being
LeBron James.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

If he is as good as u say..........why dont the refs call his 12 plus violations a game?

[Edited 6/4/16 8:21am]

If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?

Basketball is not a solo sport. It's a team sport. If you're surrounded by scrubs and
bench-players, you won't win. MJ didn't start winning until he got a great coach and
the greatest complementary player of all time.

His NBA finals records does not tell the whole story about his career. Cut the guy some
slack.

uPtoWnNY said:

TD3 said:

One day we are gonna have a talk about this "never Cleveland" thang.

I'd love to see LeBrons take home the trophy as well... the brotha has frustrated me silly. King James ain't overrated and sho' anit no scrub. It would shut a lot of yaps for sure.

I'd love for Lebron to win, but it won't be this year. Warriors are loaded - their bench scored 45 fucking points! Lebron sits for a quick rest, and Cleveland falls behind by 10......damn. Can Kyrie Irving make an EFFORT to play defense? I saw the Cavs bench shaking their heads at him.

Sadly, I agree with the entirety of this post. If they lose, the Cavs need to jettison Irving for a true
point guard. Jettison Love for a true power forward who can bang in the post. Jettison Thompson
if they can because he's fucking bum and completely overrated (his contract does not reflect his
worth or value as a defensive minded rebounder). Jettison Smith who is unreliable and inconsistent.

Put James at the point and makes some trades to get either Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Durant to
focus on scoring first. Pick up Joakim Noah (yes, I know he hates LBJ, but whatevez) for an inside
defensive presence (and can bang). Or, grab Mike Conley to run the show and keep LBJ where he
is. And finally, maybe make a trade for Dwight Howard? But, all of this is highly unlikely - just me
dreamin' and schemin'.

mjscarousal said:

babynoz said:

No, I don't think mj is serious at all. Didn't LeBron win back to back championships with the Heat?

Amnesia is a bitch.

You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not.

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When bullshit argument fails trot out the "stan" accusations. Seriously?

FYI I am a Curry "stan" and before that I was a Shaq "stan". Furthermore I'm a Heat fan, so I sure don't have a reason to "stan" for LeBron.

Like you already admitted yourself, I simply recognize his talent......no more, no less.

babynoz said:

mjscarousal said:

You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not.

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When bullshit argument fails trot out the "stan" accusations. Seriously?

I agree with you Baby: anytime you praise something that someone on this board dislikes,
you get called a "stan" - it's a stupid fucking term and a childish argument. And for the
Spur "stan" ( ) claim that LBJ's second ring was hand wrapped and gifted to him - that's
ludicrous - the 2013 NBA finals was a seven game series against the Spurs; that's not an easy
victory. The rest of my post addresses Carousal's post:

LeBron lost the '07 finals because he was playing with the following: Z, Gooden, Pavlovic, and
Hughes against a young Parker, a peaking Duncan, a young Ginobili off the bench, and a coach
who had won three rings already. LBJ didn't have a chance; not only was his squad awful, but
his coach was awful too. And it may be too soon to suggest that the Spurs are growing in the
right direction. Duncan is done. Parker and Ginobili have lost two steps. Aldridge and Leonard
are beasts. But outside of that, who is coming up to replace Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili? And
what does humility have to do with basketball? Jordan wasn't humble. Bryant wasn't humble.
Shaq wasn't humble. That Pistons team in the 80s/90s weren't humble by any stretch of the imagi-
nation. Bird wasn't humble. Pierce/Allen/Garnett weren't humble.

LBJ came into the league with a lot of hype and most of it brought upon himself a la "Chosen 1"
tatted on his back. He has not won the rings he could have for a couple of reasons: he hasn't
been on legendary, well coached teams; and he is not a consistent clutch player. Any com-
parison of LBJ to Jordan is stupid: Jordan was a scorer first and foremost. LBJ is a facilitator.
Comparing Jordan to LBJ is like comparing Jordan to Magic Johnson; both are talented. Both
could score. But one is more focused on scoring while the other is more focused on getting
his team involved. You rank players according to their respective positions. Jordan is a 2 all the
time. LBJ is a 3, 4, and could play the 1 (which I think is where he is best suited). LBJ just
doesn't have the mindset to score first; that's not his approach to the game. I will admit that
his career is disappointing but you must have context when assessing his career thus far.

And I am now convinced that MJCarousal is either Graycap23 or they are crushing each other.
I've yet to see them disagree on anything!

You'll never hear me say LeBron James is on Jordan's level, but he is one of the greatest ever - top 15 in my book. Shit, he plays better defense than Magic or Larry ever did.

Wilt, Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Oscar, Magic, Larry, LeBron, West, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Dr. J, Isiah/Havlicek (tie)

ducc - excellent post, and it's stone cold truth. FYI, I'd move Kyrie to the 2, and get a legit 1 to take some of the load off James.

For all you hardcore fans, the NBA channel is re-broadcasting one of the greatest playoff games in NBA history - Game 5 of the 1976 Finals, Celtics/Suns. I remember staying up late to watch that - it was a Friday night, so I didn't have to worry about school.

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I think that's called having a balanced view. I may have used the term "stan" maybe once in my whole life. It's misused and overused all the time.

I just saw Jerry West's press conference - he defended LeBron and had the perfect answer to all these knuckle-heads. Great job, Mr. Clutch.

Wilt got a lot of this bullshit too, Dr. J, even Jordan - whatever they do, it's never enough for some.

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah right. So LeBron is the only player in the league who has the refs in

his back pockets. Don't know what you see. Not Even the most absurd haters come with that nonsense.

Do yourself a favor, watch a single game from a rule book perspective, and see hw many violations a gme Lebron gets away with, that are calls against other players. All I'm saying is, just make the same calls for everyone. Are u telling me Lebron doesn't get special treatment to the extreme?

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Lebron gets a way with ALOT of violations. He even bullies the refs and nobody says nothing about it. No technical, No foul, nothing. He literally runs the NBA. Then he makes tantrums when he doesn't get his way. I am glad I don't drink the koolaid though.

duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?

Basketball is not a solo sport. It's a team sport. If you're surrounded by scrubs and
bench-players, you won't win. MJ didn't start winning until he got a great coach and
the greatest complementary player of all time.

His NBA finals records does not tell the whole story about his career. Cut the guy some
slack.

The man trashes his own team and you say cut him some slack? He doesn't have a team player mentality which is why he will never win anymore championships. He doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to win for himself and that shows out on the court and that among other things distinguishes him from MJ.

Graycap23 said:

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said:

You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him?Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not.

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You just disqualified yourself from any NBA debate with that response right there. Enlighten us on the gift wrapped championships. I thought the object was to win the best 4 out of seven and the Thunder lost that series in six convincingly after the first few games and you're probably the only person in America who really believe the Thunder were more talented than the Heat that year. Scott Brooks also did a good job coaching the Thunder and his best coaching job may have come when he had to go the whole season without KD and kept the Thunder in playoff contention. Not every coach can be as great as Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, or Poppovich,

Miami was not suppose to win that game 6 in 2013. I am not even sure if its even worth having this conversation with you because you drink NBA koolaid. There was a bunch of shady calls and fouls being made in the last 5 seconds of that game. How the hell are you going to lose when you up by 5 points in less that 5 seconds and then the calls were bullshit. The Spurs were up by 20 the entire game and were still up by 5 points the last 5 seconds until NBA rigged and push for game 7. We honestly going to sit here and insist Miami deserve to win that game?

In 2012, Thunder had swept Spurs and had played much much much harder teams. You honestly going to sit here argue that Miami was a better team than a hot and booming Thunder in 2012 who played much harder teams?

C'mon now

Lebron is overrated

NBA is rigged and shady

Thats my opinion

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

Do yourself a favor, watch a single game from a rule book perspective, and see hw many violations a gme Lebron gets away with, that are calls against other players. All I'm saying is, just make the same calls for everyone. Are u telling me Lebron doesn't get special treatment to the extreme?

[Edited 6/5/16 14:08pm]

Of course he gets a few superstar breaks but not every single game as you suggest or multiple times per game as you suggest. Bird as a coach of the Indiana Pacers complained that Jordan got all the calls. Jordan fired back that Bird got all the calls in his heyday which was true. Magic got the superstar treatment. Barkley would state that MJ would foul the hell out you without practically getting called for it. Kobe got it. Hell Shaq used to truck over people when he first came in the league. LeBron gets beat up in the lane like Shaq did and never gets calls. The only difference is LeBron is smart enough to not retaliate. Shaq used to push back or smack a mutha crossed the head when there wasn't a severe penalty. Magic used to commit fouls and cry and whine as though he never committed a foul. and he was my favorite player to watch behind Julius Erving and Andrew Toney. I just find it funny you being the ultimate MJ fan complain about another NBA superstar getting preferential treatment when MJ wrote the ultimate book on it.

LOL!!!!!

C'mon

Now this is not true at all. He is also a flopper. He gets away with things more often than he should.

babynoz said:

mjscarousal said:

You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not.

[Edited 6/4/16 23:18pm]

When bullshit argument fails trot out the "stan" accusations. Seriously?

FYI I am a Curry "stan" and before that I was a Shaq "stan". Furthermore I'm a Heat fan, so I sure don't have a reason to "stan" for LeBron.

Like you already admitted yourself, I simply recognize his talent......no more, no less.

I did......but that doesn't mean I have to delusionally insist he is in Michael Jordan's category of talent, that doesn't mean that he doesnt get away with violations and fouls and that doesn't mean that some of his behavior is not questionable. Also, there is such a thing as stans in the NBA world. Anybody can be an overzealous fan who can not maturely be objective when it comes to their favorite idol, your argument is rather absurd that the NBA doesn't have "stans".

mjscarousal said:

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said: You just disqualified yourself from any NBA debate with that response right there. Enlighten us on the gift wrapped championships. I thought the object was to win the best 4 out of seven and the Thunder lost that series in six convincingly after the first few games and you're probably the only person in America who really believe the Thunder were more talented than the Heat that year. Scott Brooks also did a good job coaching the Thunder and his best coaching job may have come when he had to go the whole season without KD and kept the Thunder in playoff contention. Not every coach can be as great as Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Jerry Sloan, or Poppovich,

Miami was not suppose to win that game 6 in 2013. I am not even sure if its even worth having this conversation with you because you drink NBA koolaid. There was a bunch of shady calls and fouls being made in the last 5 seconds of that game. How the hell are you going to lose when you up by 5 points in less that 5 seconds and then the calls were bullshit. The Spurs were up by 20 the entire game and were still up by 5 points the last 5 seconds until NBA rigged and push for game 7. We honestly going to sit here and insist Miami deserve to win that game?

In 2012, Thunder had swept Spurs and had played much much much harder teams. You honestly going to sit here argue that Miami was a better team than a hot and booming Thunder in 2012 who played much harder teams?

C'mon now

Lebron is overrated

NBA is rigged and shady

Thats my opinion

Another flawed argument which further proves you don't know what the hell you're talking

about when it comes to the NBA. The Thunder did not sweep the Spurs in the 2012 playoffs. That series actually went to six games. Another flawed theory is to suggest the Thunder played harder competition in the playoffs that year. It was a strike shortened season due to the lockout. The Spurs were the only team to win 50 games in the west that year whereas the Thunder won 47. The Lakers and Grizzlies only went 41-25 and the Clippers won 40. In the East Chicago was the only team to win 50 that year but got upset in the first round by my Sixers who benefitted from

the Derrick Rose injury in the first game. Otherwise they would have been another tough out from

the Miami Heat. Indiana won 42 games that year and Boston with the big 3 (Pierce, Rondo, Garnett) still on board and playoff tested won 39. The Pacers and Boston were more playoff tested than any team in the West

that year but the Spurs and maybe the Lakers further disproving your flawed logic.

I should not even address the nonsense of the first part of your argument but I'll hit it and quit it.

How do you lose that game 6. Ask Tim Duncan who admitted he cost his team that game. Also I don't think the NBA could possibly in your wildest dreams rig an incredible 3 point shot by Ray Allen to tie the game. I don't think the Spurs defense just slacked off and said okay Miami you're suppose to win this game like the commissioner said. So you feel the NBA is rigged.

I got news for you Sherlock. People were making those claims when the MJ and the Bulls

were winning. Maybe you should just stick to the music forums because like Uptown stated you jus

can't come up with legitimate facts to back up your strawman logic.

Also the Thunder - Heat finals was worse than I thought. The Heat destroyed their ass in 5

games as supposed to 6 like I originally thought and LeBron owned Kevin Durant that series further disproving your conspiracy theory. The Thunder won one more regular season game than

the Heat in a strike shortened season. Don't know how you come up with the nonsense that the Thunder were the superior team. My work is done here.

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mjscarousal said:

babynoz said:

When bullshit argument fails trot out the "stan" accusations. Seriously?

FYI I am a Curry "stan" and before that I was a Shaq "stan". Furthermore I'm a Heat fan, so I sure don't have a reason to "stan" for LeBron.

Like you already admitted yourself, I simply recognize his talent......no more, no less.

I did......but that doesn't mean I have to delusionally insist he is in Michael Jordan's category of talent, that doesn't mean that he doesnt get away with violations and fouls and that doesn't mean that some of his behavior is not questionable. Also, there is such a thing as stans in the NBA world. Anybody can be an overzealous fan who can not maturely be objective when it comes to their favorite idol, your argument is rather absurd that the NBA doesn't have "stans".

1. You really should make note of which person you are addressing because I did not make any of those arguments. I simply responded to your false statement.

mjscarousal said:

If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?

No other observation was made by me so address the other rigamarole to the person who disagreed with you about those points.


2. You should respond to what I actuallly said, which is that "I" am not a lebron stan. You have no basis for that assumption.

3. Just so you understand proper usage, a stan is not somebody occasionally making point, a stan is someone who obsessively follows a celeb's every move and defends their every action, right or wrong, consistently. Unless you can show proof that I fit that definition regarding lebron then don't use it toward me again, period.

4. Show me exactly where I said that the NBA doesn't have stans? How can an argument that I never made in the first place be absurd?

The hyperbole is not helping you. This really isn't something to get hysterical over either.

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

Basketball is not a solo sport. It's a team sport. If you're surrounded by scrubs and
bench-players, you won't win. MJ didn't start winning until he got a great coach and
the greatest complementary player of all time.

His NBA finals records does not tell the whole story about his career. Cut the guy some
slack.

The man trashes his own team and you say cut him some slack? He doesn't have a team player mentality which is why he will never win anymore championships. He doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to win for himself and that shows out on the court and that among other things distinguishes him from MJ.

You're nuts. You've no way to prove that James "doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to
win for himself..." You're pulling that straight outta yer butthole, Carousal, with no ability to
show any footage of James' basketball skills or on-court demeanor illustrating that he's a selfish
player. If anything, I wish James was more of a scorer's mindset than a facilitator's mindset! I
wish he was more selfish - with that big body and basketball IQ and his speed and quickness, if
he called for the ball while in the blocks and was banging down low, I think he'd average 35 points
easily.

The negativity surrounding James' finals record is flat out dumb.

mjscarousal said:

Miami was not suppose to win that game 6 in 2013. I am not even sure if its even worth having this conversation with you because you drink NBA koolaid. There was a bunch of shady calls and fouls being made in the last 5 seconds of that game. How the hell are you going to lose when you up by 5 points in less that 5 seconds and then the calls were bullshit. The Spurs were up by 20 the entire game and were still up by 5 points the last 5 seconds until NBA rigged and push for game 7. We honestly going to sit here and insist Miami deserve to win that game?

Resorting to conspiracy theories is usually the tactic of one who is desperate in a debate.

duccichucka said:

mjscarousal said:

The man trashes his own team and you say cut him some slack? He doesn't have a team player mentality which is why he will never win anymore championships. He doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to win for himself and that shows out on the court and that among other things distinguishes him from MJ.

You're nuts. You've no way to prove that James "doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to
win for himself..." You're pulling that straight outta yer butthole, Carousal, with no ability to
show any footage of James' basketball skills or on-court demeanor illustrating that he's a selfish
player. If anything, I wish James was more of a scorer's mindset than a facilitator's mindset! I
wish he was more selfish - with that big body and basketball IQ and his speed and quickness, if
he called for the ball while in the blocks and was banging down low, I think he'd average 35 points
easily.

The negativity surrounding James' finals record is flat out dumb.

"If I were him, frankly, I'd probably want to strangle you guys. It's ridiculous."

Jerry West commenting on critics and haters of LeBron James. Hey, West's finals record is 1-8. He must be overrated too!

uPtoWnNY said:

duccichucka said:

You're nuts. You've no way to prove that James "doesn't want to win for his team. He wants to
win for himself..." You're pulling that straight outta yer butthole, Carousal, with no ability to
show any footage of James' basketball skills or on-court demeanor illustrating that he's a selfish
player. If anything, I wish James was more of a scorer's mindset than a facilitator's mindset! I
wish he was more selfish - with that big body and basketball IQ and his speed and quickness, if
he called for the ball while in the blocks and was banging down low, I think he'd average 35 points
easily.

The negativity surrounding James' finals record is flat out dumb.

"If I were him, frankly, I'd probably want to strangle you guys. It's ridiculous."

Jerry West commenting on critics and haters of LeBron James. Hey, West's finals record is 1-8. He must be overrated too!

Yeah, if the "Logo" has a losing record that is more abysmal than James' current record, then
yes, he must be overrated too and the whole NBA is drinkin' "Logo" koolaid! Carousalcap23 is
simply out of pocket here. But what else is new. . .

On a side note, I think the NBA logo should be changed from West to Jordan.

babynoz said:

mjscarousal said:

1. You really should make note of which person you are addressing because I did not make any of those arguments. I simply responded to your false statement.

mjscarousal said:

If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?

No other observation was made by me so address the other rigamarole to the person who disagreed with you about those points.


2. You should respond to what I actuallly said, which is that "I" am not a lebron stan. You have no basis for that assumption.

3. Just so you understand proper usage, a stan is not somebody occasionally making point, a stan is someone who obsessively follows a celeb's every move and defends their every action, right or wrong, consistently. Unless you can show proof that I fit that definition regarding lebron then don't use it toward me again, period.

4. Show me exactly where I said that the NBA doesn't have stans? How can an argument that I never made in the first place be absurd?

The hyperbole is not helping you. This really isn't something to get hysterical over either.

But I never called you a Lebron stan

I am not getting hysterical about anything but I can see you obviously are. I am perfectly fine and have been respectful. You don't have to lecture me about calling you a stan. I have not once called you a Lebron stan in this discussion so I find it odd that you are claiming that I have.

You implied that bringing up Lebron stans and how they behave was an immature and pointless argument, this is in reference to your number 4 question.

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duccichucka said:

uPtoWnNY said:

"If I were him, frankly, I'd probably want to strangle you guys. It's ridiculous."

Jerry West commenting on critics and haters of LeBron James. Hey, West's finals record is 1-8. He must be overrated too!

Yeah, if the "Logo" has a losing record that is more abysmal than James' current record, then
yes, he must be overrated too and the whole NBA is drinkin' "Logo" koolaid! Carousalcap23 is
simply out of pocket here. But what else is new. . .

On a side note, I think the NBA logo should be changed from West to Jordan.

Agree with your first paragraph, disagree about changing the logo.

mjscarousal said:

babynoz said:

But I never called you a Lebron stan

I am not getting hysterical about anything but I can see you obviously are. I am perfectly fine and have been respectful. You don't have to lecture me about calling you a stan. I have not once called you a Lebron stan in this discussion so I find it odd that you are claiming that I have.

You implied that bringing up Lebron stans and how they behave was an immature and pointless argument, this is in reference to your number 4 question.

[Edited 6/5/16 18:35pm]

When you quoted me and wrote the following, who am I supposed to think you're talking about? If you were referring to someone else then why didn't you quote that person instead? The ONLY thing I mentioned to you was your false comment about Lebron in the finals and you went off to the races.

Next time address the comment to the "stan" in question if you want to be respectful.

"You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not."

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said:

Miami was not suppose to win that game 6 in 2013. I am not even sure if its even worth having this conversation with you because you drink NBA koolaid. There was a bunch of shady calls and fouls being made in the last 5 seconds of that game. How the hell are you going to lose when you up by 5 points in less that 5 seconds and then the calls were bullshit. The Spurs were up by 20 the entire game and were still up by 5 points the last 5 seconds until NBA rigged and push for game 7. We honestly going to sit here and insist Miami deserve to win that game?

In 2012, Thunder had swept Spurs and had played much much much harder teams. You honestly going to sit here argue that Miami was a better team than a hot and booming Thunder in 2012 who played much harder teams?

C'mon now

Lebron is overrated

NBA is rigged and shady

Thats my opinion

Another flawed argument which further proves you don't know what the hell you're talking

about when it comes to the NBA. The Thunder did not sweep the Spurs in the 2012 playoffs. That series actually went to six games. Another flawed theory is to suggest the Thunder played harder competition in the playoffs that year. It was a strike shortened season due to the lockout. The Spurs were the only team to win 50 games in the west that year whereas the Thunder won 47. The Lakers and Grizzlies only went 41-25 and the Clippers won 40. In the East Chicago was the only team to win 50 that year but got upset in the first round by my Sixers who benefitted from

the Derrick Rose injury in the first game. Otherwise they would have been another tough out from

the Miami Heat. Indiana won 42 games that year and Boston with the big 3 (Pierce, Rondo, Garnett) still on board and playoff tested won 39. The Pacers and Boston were more playoff tested than any team in the West

that year but the Spurs and maybe the Lakers further disproving your flawed logic.

I should not even address the nonsense of the first part of your argument but I'll hit it and quit it.

How do you lose that game 6. Ask Tim Duncan who admitted he cost his team that game. Also I don't think the NBA could possibly in your wildest dreams rig an incredible 3 point shot by Ray Allen to tie the game. I don't think the Spurs defense just slacked off and said okay Miami you're suppose to win this game like the commissioner said. So you feel the NBA is rigged.

I got news for you Sherlock. People were making those claims when the MJ and the Bulls

were winning. Maybe you should just stick to the music forums because like Uptown stated you jus

can't come up with legitimate facts to back up your strawman logic.

Also the Thunder - Heat finals was worse than I thought. The Heat destroyed their ass in 5

games as supposed to 6 like I originally thought and LeBron owned Kevin Durant that series further disproving your conspiracy theory. The Thunder won one more regular season game than

the Heat in a strike shortened season. Don't know how you come up with the nonsense that the Thunder were the superior team. My work is done here.

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I am not sitting here claiming to be an NBA expert or defensively making indirect jabs and name calls at people just because they don't kiss Lebron James ass like you. Thanks for the correction! So the Thunder didn't sweep the Spurs that year, big deal? it still doesn't change the fact that they play and played much harder teams in the West than Miami did that year. I stand by that game 6 being shady as hell. Even before Tim Duncan was taken out that game, shady calls and fouls were made. I stand by the fact that Lebron and company barely won that championship that was not deserved and unfornately the better team did not win.

Thats not changing, thats my opinion. You are always defensivel when it comes to Lebron James in these discussions. I find it funny actually! LOL Its sad that you can't be objective or be maturely constructive when it comes to him specifically. No one here has bashed him not even Gray, just said some things he has done is questionable, he gets away with stuff and he is overrated when NBA tries to compared him to MJ which are legitmate arguments that most would agree.

babynoz said:

mjscarousal said:

But I never called you a Lebron stan

I am not getting hysterical about anything but I can see you obviously are. I am perfectly fine and have been respectful. You don't have to lecture me about calling you a stan. I have not once called you a Lebron stan in this discussion so I find it odd that you are claiming that I have.

You implied that bringing up Lebron stans and how they behave was an immature and pointless argument, this is in reference to your number 4 question.

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When you quoted me and wrote the following, who am I supposed to think you're talking about? If you were referring to someone else then why didn't you quote that person instead? The ONLY thing I mentioned to you was your false comment about Lebron in the finals and you went off to the races.

Next time address the comment to the "stan" in question if you want to be respectful.

"You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not."

LOL!

What are you talking about? I NEVER called you a stan let alone a Lebron stan. There is no quote you can find becuse I never said that to YOU

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The NBA Finals

Game 2

Cleveland Cavaliers 77 Golden State Warriors 110


The Golden State Warriors came into game 2 after having won game 1 primarily with their bench. The question for the Cleveland Cavaliers, however, was whether they could put up a better effort and get some production from their supporting cast.

The first quarter saw thew Cavs put up a decent effort, but Golden State would go on an 18 point run after the Cavs led by six early in the second quarter. During that run, Kevin Love was inadvertently hit in the back of the head by Harrison Barnes after going for a rebound, and he crashed to the floor even as Draymond Green made a short jumper right over him. Love would eventually get back up and even played a few more minutes in the second quarter as the Cavs narrowed the Warriors lead to eight points at the half.

But as the second half began, Kevin Love went out of the game with dizziness and was placed on the concussion protocol. Even so, it probably didn't matter, as Golden State would explode out of the gate and never looked back. Draymond Green led all scorers with 28 points, while also grabbing seven rebounds and dishing out five assists. Stepehn Curry scored 18 points, grabbed nine rebounds, and dished out four assists, while Klay Thompson added 17 points. Lebron James scored 19 points for the Cavs while also dishing out nine assists and grabbing eight rebounds, but he also turned the ball over seven times. Richard Jefferson scored 12 points off the bench, yet Kyrie Irving scored only 10 points on 5 for 14 shooting from the floor.

Golden State leads series 2-0.

mjscarousal said:

babynoz said:

When you quoted me and wrote the following, who am I supposed to think you're talking about? If you were referring to someone else then why didn't you quote that person instead? The ONLY thing I mentioned to you was your false comment about Lebron in the finals and you went off to the races.

Next time address the comment to the "stan" in question if you want to be respectful.

"You mean the championships he was given with a Thunder who was the better team who had no coach and the second championship was damn near hand wrapped and gifted and given to him? Also I have been a Spurs fan since way back when they had the whole gang on there with Robinson and Bowen. I even remember vividly watching them sweep and spank Cleveland with ya boy Lebron back in 07 The Spurs is a great organization with a legendary coach and have a group of humble men and appear to be growing in a great direction. Its always interesting and funny how Lebron stans make these elementary arguments just because some choose not to kiss LeJanes ass or drink the NBA koolaid.

Thats not hating, thats someone who is intelligent with a functional brain that can weed through bullshit. Like the NBA hyping Lebron like he is Jordan when he is no where in his category but of course LeJane stans think that crazy. Nobody said the man was not talented, just that he wasn't all of that and he is not."

LOL!

What are you talking about? I NEVER called you a stan let alone a Lebron stan. There is no quote you can find becuse I never said that to YOU

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Suuure you didn't, go 'head and backpedal.

Again, the ONLY thing I commented on was your false statement....

"If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?"

I have no idea why you threw all the other rigamarole in there except maybe to deflect from the fact you made a false statement about LeBron in the finals?

babynoz said:

mjscarousal said:

LOL!

What are you talking about? I NEVER called you a stan let alone a Lebron stan. There is no quote you can find becuse I never said that to YOU

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Suuure you didn't, go 'head and backpedal.

Again, the ONLY thing I commented on was your false statement....

"If he is as good as they say......why does he keep losing in the finals?"

I have no idea why you threw all the other rigamarole in there except maybe to deflect from the fact you made a false statement about LeBron in the finals?

How can I backpedal when I never called you a Lebron stan?

I am waiting for you to quote where I called you a Lebron stan

Referring to how Lebron stans act in no way means I was referring to you. I never ever called you a stan at all.

Saying Lebron is "ya boy" in no way means I am calling you a Lebron stan.

This has been a very interesting and entertaining discussion nonetheless LOL