JustErin said:

India will not change, not for several lifetimes anyway.

It IS changing, so u can't really say that. It's not gonna change overnight, it won't be as fast as some other Asian countries, but it's already in motion.

XxAxX said:

^ i've been wondering how feasible it might be to travel india....disguised as a man

India is SO totally a safe place for a woman to travel alone, so fear not and take an airplane ticket

databank said:

XxAxX said:

^ i've been wondering how feasible it might be to travel india....disguised as a man

India is SO totally a safe place for a woman to travel alone, so fear not and take an airplane ticket

I thoroughly second this - Indian men are incapable of hurting a woman - they don't have penises!

databank said:

domainator2010 said:

I don't use Facebook, because 1) I don't fundamentally understand what it is , or why all of humanity seems to be using it, and 2) I'm developing a site which, I hope, one day, will oust FB from where it is, i.e. a competitor. Heh, I'm probably dreaming when I say that, but what's life without dreams?

Ello is now trying to kick the shit outta FB but even though I like it I'm not sure it's feasable. I mean eventually it's gonna happen so it could be you, but I think the market isn't ready for this yet. U can still create a cool thing though, I look forward to seeing what u ahve in store

What's "Ello"? Um please don't give me a "www....", tell me what it IS, I wanna know from a HUMAN, before I try it or whatever.

The site I'm making is really a little different from whatever's out there, from what I can *see* about Face, no reason that someone can't be on IT AND my site at the same time, but anyway.... WHY should someone go to THAT piece of crap??

Can you explain to me why YOU use FB? What IS it?

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

India is SO totally a safe place for a woman to travel alone, so fear not and take an airplane ticket

I thoroughly second this - Indian men are incapable of hurting a woman - they don't have penises!

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

Ello is now trying to kick the shit outta FB but even though I like it I'm not sure it's feasable. I mean eventually it's gonna happen so it could be you, but I think the market isn't ready for this yet. U can still create a cool thing though, I look forward to seeing what u ahve in store

What's "Ello"? Um please don't give me a "www....", tell me what it IS, I wanna know from a HUMAN, before I try it or whatever.

The site I'm making is really a little different from whatever's out there, from what I can *see* about Face, no reason that someone can't be on IT AND my site at the same time, but anyway.... WHY should someone go to THAT piece of crap??

Can you explain to me why YOU use FB? What IS it?

I started on Myspace before it spiralled down to hell, then expanded to Facebook, Twitter, Google +, a French one called Wizzz and finally Ello (google Ello and u'll find numerous explainations about what it is) and now I use all of the above save Myspace which has virtually become a wasteland. Ello is very promising and Myspace was wonderful at the beginning but too aimed at artists for "regular" folks to trip on it, G+ always got on my nerves because of its messy interface and Twitter is way too limited for my taste. Facebook is simply, in my opinion, the BEST interface ever created for social networking. It's fluid, simple, cohesive, the design is minimal, the functions are well thoughts and easy to use. I hate some of their policies such as the real name policy and the way they prevent artists to self promote by supposedly fighting spam, let alone several other dubious things in their terms and conditions and the way they use personal informations, but in terms of customer service it's by far the most enjoyable, simplest, easiest to use, most visually attractive and most complete social network. This is why they are number 1, no one competes, period.

Ello is now the hip place to be and it's still a small, friendly community and its creator have a strong ethical perpsective as you will see, so I really hope it'll take off and if they keep improving the interface (there are improvements nearly every week) it might end-up being better than FB, but there's still a long way to go.

I suggest u study and USE all the major social networks if u're planning to create one. Only by doing so u will be able to understand what works and what doesn't, what makes an interface agreeable to use or a pain in the ass, which functions are needed and how to organize them, and so on. This is obviously what the people behind Ello have been doing: there are dozens of social networks out there, u need to be ULTRA aware of what's already existing if u want your product to be at the same time innovative and competitive. I'm an artist so I NEED to be on as many social networks as can be to expand my audience, but most regular folks will be satisfied with one single network and they choose the one all their friends are already using, i.e. Facebook. It's gonna take a LOT for any other network to become number 1 even though it's probably gonna happen one day.

domainator2010 said:

JustErin said:

India will not change, not for several lifetimes anyway.

You've probably hit the nail on the head, but..... may I just ask how you know? Have you ever been here or something?

You realise that your statement would fill the heart of someone like me with a deep foreboding.....?

My grandmother is from India. I know a lot about Indian culture, not just from her but from my relationship with an Indian man.

databank said:

JustErin said:

India will not change, not for several lifetimes anyway.

It IS changing, so u can't really say that. It's not gonna change overnight, it won't be as fast as some other Asian countries, but it's already in motion.

It's really not changing in the way XxAxX was talking about.

JustErin said:

databank said:

It IS changing, so u can't really say that. It's not gonna change overnight, it won't be as fast as some other Asian countries, but it's already in motion.

It's really not changing in the way XxAxX was talking about.

There's a growing awareness of feminist concept among the upper-middle classes and upper-classes, that I've wittnessed first hand on several occasions. Relationships tend to be more relaxed too in same classes in urban areas, I have several Indian collegues who are in relationships and their families are aware of it, even though in most case they keep discreet about having sexual intercourses and wedding remains somewhat of a natural perceived purpose of said relationships. More and more middle class and upper class Indians that i've met also rejected the notion of arranged marriage and their parents respected their wish to choose their partner or not to get married at all. Like I said above it's now 1950 in India, and 1950 in the West was already quite different from 1930.

JustErin said:

domainator2010 said:

You've probably hit the nail on the head, but..... may I just ask how you know? Have you ever been here or something?

You realise that your statement would fill the heart of someone like me with a deep foreboding.....?

My grandmother is from India.

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

JustErin said:

domainator2010 said:

You've probably hit the nail on the head, but..... may I just ask how you know? Have you ever been here or something?

You realise that your statement would fill the heart of someone like me with a deep foreboding.....?

My grandmother is from India. I know a lot about Indian culture, not just from her but from my relationship with an Indian man.

Most -not all but most- of the Western women i've met who'd been/were in a relationship with an Indian man (I mean native not born abroad of Indian descent) told me it was utter disaster. IDK about your relationship but overall it seems to be very difficult: no matter how progressive they claimed to be, they always ended-up being traditionalists, wanting the woman to "keep her place", and they were usually extremely possessive and extremely insecure. And sex wasn't always too good either. And the way the man's family was involved IN the relationship (or excluded from it because the relationship was to be kept secret) was also a problem.

I also know of a few succesful love stories between Western women and Indian men, and at least one story where the Western woman totally abused the Indian man's naivety, but overall it seems easier the other way round (Western man with indian woman). I have witnessed somewhat similar situations between Western women and Thai, Cambodian and Chinese men BTW, so it's not just India.

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

India is SO totally a safe place for a woman to travel alone, so fear not and take an airplane ticket

I thoroughly second this - Indian men are incapable of hurting a woman - they don't have penises!

thank you for your encouragement!!! i've always wanted to make a pilgrimage to some of the temples, and travel round the country by train and get to know ordinary people like me

databank said:

JustErin said:

My grandmother is from India.

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

Awww....shucks.

databank said:

JustErin said:

It's really not changing in the way XxAxX was talking about.

There's a growing awareness of feminist concept among the upper-middle classes and upper-classes, that I've wittnessed first hand on several occasions. Relationships tend to be more relaxed too in same classes in urban areas, I have several Indian collegues who are in relationships and their families are aware of it, even though in most case they keep discreet about having sexual intercourses and wedding remains somewhat of a natural perceived purpose of said relationships. More and more middle class and upper class Indians that i've met also rejected the notion of arranged marriage and their parents respected their wish to choose their partner or not to get married at all. Like I said above it's now 1950 in India, and 1950 in the West was already quite different from 1930.

I understand what you're saying but this mindset and slight cultural shift is a rarity and in a country of over a billion people it's just not enough to make real change...not yet anyway.

XxAxX said:

domainator2010 said:

I thoroughly second this - Indian men are incapable of hurting a woman - they don't have penises!

thank you for your encouragement!!! i've always wanted to make a pilgrimage to some of the temples, and travel round the country by train and get to know ordinary people like me

A Western woman is much more likely to be harrassed or assaulted in her own country than in India, so as long as you don't tease the guys or wear a mini-skirt or roam alone in some weird neighborhood at night, all things that u won't do, all will be fine. I've met dozens of Western woman who travelled alone in India and outside of the occasional staring and a few clumsy (but never agressive) attempts to hit on them, none ever told me of any unpleasant experience. Shit can happen anywhere of course, but India is really safe in that regard.

JustErin said:

databank said:

There's a growing awareness of feminist concept among the upper-middle classes and upper-classes, that I've wittnessed first hand on several occasions. Relationships tend to be more relaxed too in same classes in urban areas, I have several Indian collegues who are in relationships and their families are aware of it, even though in most case they keep discreet about having sexual intercourses and wedding remains somewhat of a natural perceived purpose of said relationships. More and more middle class and upper class Indians that i've met also rejected the notion of arranged marriage and their parents respected their wish to choose their partner or not to get married at all. Like I said above it's now 1950 in India, and 1950 in the West was already quite different from 1930.

I understand what you're saying but this mindset and slight cultural shift is a rarity and in a country of over a billion people it's just not enough to make real change...not yet anyway.

I understand ur pessimism, most of my Indian friends actually share it. I wanna somehow have some faith in human beings

i went out to india a few years ago, just for a family holiday & it was clear that the place is corrupt as hell!.. i saw several examples so it was easy to feel vulnerable as a foreigner, you're just a cash cow at any oppotunity. Officials will make up any bullshit excuse to get money from you & the police back them up cuz they'll get a hefty bung out of it... & don't be fooled by the landlord cuz he'll be in on it too!

If i were you, i'd get the hell out & find somewhere else to live. x

databank said:

And sex wasn't always too good either.

....I'll say this in an English accent - 'ang on, bruv. wo' da fukk is yew sayin'?

I hope you're not referring to moi?

databank said:

JustErin said:

My grandmother is from India.

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

I think his REASONS for coming to India are becoming a little clearer!

databank said:

JustErin said:

My grandmother is from India.

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

OK, I have to say that just from the few pics I've seen of her, I think Erin's hot as well. I don't know about "most attractive on the Org", cause I haven't seen anyone else here, at least very few, the only one I remember was ZombieKitten, and the photo was quite crap.

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JustErin said:

databank said:

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

Awww....shucks.

Brilliant! The French guy here is picking up the Canadian girl - who probably speaks French, so it's an unfair advantage!

Oi Data! What would you say if I went over to France and said "Voulez vous couche avec moi sesois?" to Ophelie Winter?

databank said:

XxAxX said:

thank you for your encouragement!!! i've always wanted to make a pilgrimage to some of the temples, and travel round the country by train and get to know ordinary people like me

A Western woman is much more likely to be harrassed or assaulted in her own country than in India, so as long as you don't tease the guys or wear a mini-skirt or roam alone in some weird neighborhood at night, all things that u won't do, all will be fine. I've met dozens of Western woman who travelled alone in India and outside of the occasional staring and a few clumsy (but never agressive) attempts to hit on them, none ever told me of any unpleasant experience. Shit can happen anywhere of course, but India is really safe in that regard.

Can someone please explain this to me? Why is coming on to a woman an "unpleasant experience" for her? Like, why do people say it in the same sentence?

If men didn't hit on women, the human race would die out....

(long as it's not forced, of course!)

Facebook is simply, in my opinion, the BEST interface ever created ..... simplest, easiest to use, most visually attractive and most complete social network. This is why they are number 1, no one competes, period.

if u want your product to be at the same time innovative and competitive.

You LIKE that God-awful light blue screen? That Excel-spreadsheet of friendship interface?

Can you or anyone please 1st explain to me what a "social network" IS? *I* would have thought it's a place to find friends, i.e. like minded people! Well Facebook has all of humanity on it, so by definition it can't be a place to find friends, because ALL of those people can't be like minded to me....?!!!

Like, THIS is a social place, THIS is where *I*, personally HAVE found friends, this is where I like to hang out.

So - what would you do to a site to make sure that you find friends on it....? A question that all of humanity faces, now, apparently,........?

Yes, damn right, I'm taking time to do the interface, why the fuck do you think it's TAKING so long? (not that I'm not lazy TOO, of course!) I've been stuck on one part of the design for AGES now,...... wish someone would help!

databank said:

JustErin said:

I understand what you're saying but this mindset and slight cultural shift is a rarity and in a country of over a billion people it's just not enough to make real change...not yet anyway.

I understand ur pessimism, most of my Indian friends actually share it. I wanna somehow have some faith in human beings

Yes, me too, my friend, me too.

Me, goddamn, too!

excited said:

i went out to india a few years ago, just for a family holiday & it was clear that the place is corrupt as hell!.. i saw several examples so it was easy to feel vulnerable as a foreigner, you're just a cash cow at any oppotunity. Officials will make up any bullshit excuse to get money from you & the police back them up cuz they'll get a hefty bung out of it... & don't be fooled by the landlord cuz he'll be in on it too!

If i were you, i'd get the hell out & find somewhere else to live. x

I won't stay here forever but I'm in love with this country, so I'm in no rush to leave.

databank said:

excited said:

i went out to india a few years ago, just for a family holiday & it was clear that the place is corrupt as hell!.. i saw several examples so it was easy to feel vulnerable as a foreigner, you're just a cash cow at any oppotunity. Officials will make up any bullshit excuse to get money from you & the police back them up cuz they'll get a hefty bung out of it... & don't be fooled by the landlord cuz he'll be in on it too!

If i were you, i'd get the hell out & find somewhere else to live. x

How can the landlord be on it when he didn't ask me any money?

I won't stay here forever but I'm in love with this country, so I'm in no rush to leave.

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

And sex wasn't always too good either.

....I'll say this in an English accent - 'ang on, bruv. wo' da fukk is yew sayin'?

I hope you're not referring to moi?

I haven't met any woman u've slept with... as far as I know

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

I think his REASONS for coming to India are becoming a little clearer!

I wish...

domainator2010 said:

databank said:

OK, this explains CRYSTAL CLEAR why I always considered you the most attractive woman on the Org

OK, I have to say that just from the few pics I've seen of her, I think Erin's hot as well. I don't know about "most attractive on the Org", cause I haven't seen anyone else here, at least very few, the only one I remember was ZombieKitten, and the photo was quite crap.

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She is

domainator2010 said:

JustErin said:

Awww....shucks.

Brilliant! The French guy here is picking up the Canadian girl - who probably speaks French, so it's an unfair advantage!

Oi Data! What would you say if I went over to France and said "Voulez vous couche avec moi sesois?" to Ophelie Winter?

I really don't care what other prople do...