SeventeenDayze said:

missfee said:

EXACTLY!!! That's why it's puzzling why the NBA is serving with him any kind of punishment for his behavior OUTSIDE of his job. No abusing your spouse is never okay, but is that affecting his performance on the field? No. That's why it's just as dumb that ESPN suspended Stephen A. for his opinionated comment.

If this were a gangmember named "Devante Jenkins" who did this, there would be swift justice. But, if this were a gangmember named "Devante Jenkins" who was a star football player in the NFL, then, he's gets celebrity justice. But, if he ever blows out a knee or gets old, then nobody cares. Under no other circumstances would "Devante Jenkins" get a slap on the wrist...

Crying shame you gotta talk in code because some spineless cry babies can't handle grown-up discussion without getting their feelings hurt.

Excellent point but I am about to shoot it down..

Mr Gangsta basically lives the life of a Mafia hitman. They, the cops, can never get you for what they want to get you for, but they already got your name and number. They are just waiting for you to do ANYTHING so that they can drag you in and book you and search you. You are not gainfully employed in their eyes, although you make more money then anyone on the force does.

What I am talking about is anybody with a job that in and of itself is not grounds for having to appear in court. I am talking about people who do not have cops driving by there house in suspicious looking vehicles. The type of man who doesn't have to worry about having to pass a Cori check. The guy that probably has a degree or at least a certificate in his field.

I am saying that the average joe, who has a job doing something legal does not have to worry, UNLESS HE WORK WITH CHILDREN, about losing hrs at his job or the whole job because of an alleged incident that took place in an elevator. The cable guy, the manager at CVS, they may smoke pot and due other drugs. I am not saying they are "pure". What I am saying is that they don't make a living out of it.

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Deadflow3r said:

SeventeenDayze said:

If this were a gangmember named "Devante Jenkins" who did this, there would be swift justice. But, if this were a gangmember named "Devante Jenkins" who was a star football player in the NFL, then, he's gets celebrity justice. But, if he ever blows out a knee or gets old, then nobody cares. Under no other circumstances would "Devante Jenkins" get a slap on the wrist...

Crying shame you gotta talk in code because some spineless cry babies can't handle grown-up discussion without getting their feelings hurt.

Excellent point but I am about to shoot it down..

Mr Gangsta basically lives the life of a Mafia hitman. They, the cops, can never get you for what they want to get you for, but they already got your name and number. They are just waiting for you to do ANYTHING so that they can drag you in and book you and search you. You are not gainfully employed in their eyes, although you make more money then anyone on the force does.

What I am talking about is anybody with a job that in and of itself is not grounds for having to appear in court. I am talking about people who do not have cops driving by there house in suspicious looking vehicles. The type of man who doesn't have to worry about having to pass a Cori check. The guy that probably has a degree or at least a certificate in his field.

I am saying that the average joe, who has a job doing something legal does not have to worry, UNLESS HE WORK WITH CHILDREN, about losing hrs at his job or the whole job because of an alleged incident that took place in an elevator.

Your first sentence made me laugh, I appreciate it

I hear what you're saying. I think you and I are talking about similar but slightly different situations. As you mentioned, would anyone else get in trouble for some off-the-clock antics in an elevator in a casino? It depends on the situation. If it causes you to miss work because you were in jail or in court, then it affects your employment. I think the anger some people have about this situation is that the NFL is setting a poor example of how they choose to deal with wayward players. I think if it weren't for social media, or the media at all, Rice wouldn't have been punished. He's precious cargo, to a certain extent.

I agree with what I believe you were indicating with your comments that these players must walk a tight rope. This is part of the problem with this situation. When does a player get a "right" to have a life that is his own? This is the part that's not always clear. The commissioner slapping the one guy with damn-near a year long ban because of an alleged drug possession situation is completely unbalanced with the Ray Rice situation. That's another source of outrage from the general public, from what I can tell.

And yes, the average joe has other types of worries when it comes to law enforcement. That's for sure.

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I have a problem with the way we expect celebrities to be noble citizens and even reward them as such. They are just people with a highly valued skill. Amy Winehouse was a wonderful singer. People wanted her records all but taken off the shelf at one point due to her flagrant drug use. After all she wasn't a rapper so how dare she use drugs and flaunt it !?! The fact is she wasn't billing herself as a wholesome singer.

Now when Tiger Woods turned into Tiger Wood, I was not deffending him any because he was using his cute little family to win major deals with various product. He was milking it. He was putting up a very phony front. He lost those deals due to it, but in a way he was falsely advertising himself.

But, do the players sign any agreement that they will never do anything that reflects on the company poorly?

Hey, I was just thinking that I had a job with a woman's retail chain and they basically made it clear that if what I did on my off time painted a picture of me that was not in keeping with the image that they hired me for I might be looking for a new job. So,maybe the average joe is affected to some extent.

Deadflow3r said:

I have a problem with the way we expect celebrities to be noble citizens and even reward them as such. They are just people with a highly valued skill. Amy Winehouse was a wonderful singer. People wanted her records all but taken off the shelf at one point due to her flagrant drug use. After all she wasn't a rapper so how dare she use drugs and flaunt it !?! The fact is she wasn't billing herself as a wholesome singer.

Now when Tiger Woods turned into Tiger Wood, I was not deffending him any because he was using his cute little family to win major deals with various product. He was milking it. He was putting up a very phony front. He lost those deals due to it, but in a way he was falsely advertising himself.

But, do the players sign any agreement that they will never do anything that reflects on the company poorly?

Hey, I was just thinking that I had a job with a woman's retail chain and they basically made it clear that if what I did on my off time painted a picture of me that was not in keeping with the image that they hired me for I might be looking for a new job. So,maybe the average joe is affected to some extent.

Good point. There's a name for that in contracts, I think they are called "character clauses" or something to that effect. It makes it clear that behavior that embarasses the brand would spell trouble and a breach of contract lawsuit. Nowadays, there isn't much distinction between athletes and celebs, so a lot of athletes conduct themselves that way. It brings a certain gloss to the team image but it can also backfire, big time!

SeventeenDayze said:

Deadflow3r said:

I have a problem with the way we expect celebrities to be noble citizens and even reward them as such. They are just people with a highly valued skill. Amy Winehouse was a wonderful singer. People wanted her records all but taken off the shelf at one point due to her flagrant drug use. After all she wasn't a rapper so how dare she use drugs and flaunt it !?! The fact is she wasn't billing herself as a wholesome singer.

Now when Tiger Woods turned into Tiger Wood, I was not deffending him any because he was using his cute little family to win major deals with various product. He was milking it. He was putting up a very phony front. He lost those deals due to it, but in a way he was falsely advertising himself.

But, do the players sign any agreement that they will never do anything that reflects on the company poorly?

Hey, I was just thinking that I had a job with a woman's retail chain and they basically made it clear that if what I did on my off time painted a picture of me that was not in keeping with the image that they hired me for I might be looking for a new job. So,maybe the average joe is affected to some extent.

Good point. There's a name for that in contracts, I think they are called "character clauses" or something to that effect. It makes it clear that behavior that embarasses the brand would spell trouble and a breach of contract lawsuit. Nowadays, there isn't much distinction between athletes and celebs, so a lot of athletes conduct themselves that way. It brings a certain gloss to the team image but it can also backfire, big time!

You know before T.V. and both athletes and other celebrities literally came into the family home most people knew that this brand of folks lived somewhat salty lives. Many had gangster friends and it was a known thing.

Actresses where considered just a bit higher on the scale then streetwalkers. They were basically thought to be the grande horizontals for wealthy men. No one wanted their daughter or son to grow up and be in the theater or sports. It wasn't considered respectable.

Once we have T.V. and talk shows things change and we want them to be regular Joes who hopefully do charity work. Honestly I think they are the same type of people they always were.

Deadflow3r said:

I am a woman.

I don't think beating up your girlfriend is right.

However, a ball player is just a guy with an extremely well paying job.

Do we suspend people who have other jobs from going back to work if they abuse their girlfriend? If he were not a ballplayer would anybody even care about what really happened on the elevator?

They are not role models. They are ball players. That is what they know how to do so well that they can make a living off of it. They are no more likely to be role models they men who drive dump trucks or install cable lines. They are just men with jobs that pay extremely well.

I work for the gub'ment and they most certainly do suspend and even fire people for DV and for lesser offences as well. People working in our jurisdiction have been reprimanded and even demoted for posting racist and other inappropriate comments on their private FB pages.

As for the ball players, they all have a conduct clause in their contracts which literally prohibits conduct that is damaging to the league. They sign these contracts, so no sympathy.

No sympathy for Stephen Smith either....I can't stand his ass. Almost every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out so I hope they give him a nice, long break.

What kind of dingbat still marries a guy who knocks her out cold?

People don't realize that money ain't everything. Heaven forbid, those dollar signs she is looking at are gonna be the same dollars that buy her casket if she ain't careful...earn your own money, chile.

babynoz said:

Deadflow3r said:

I am a woman.

I don't think beating up your girlfriend is right.

However, a ball player is just a guy with an extremely well paying job.

Do we suspend people who have other jobs from going back to work if they abuse their girlfriend? If he were not a ballplayer would anybody even care about what really happened on the elevator?

They are not role models. They are ball players. That is what they know how to do so well that they can make a living off of it. They are no more likely to be role models they men who drive dump trucks or install cable lines. They are just men with jobs that pay extremely well.

I work for the gub'ment and they most certainly do suspend and even fire people for DV and for lesser offences as well. People working in our jurisdiction have been reprimanded and even demoted for posting racist and other inappropriate comments on their private FB pages.

As for the ball players, they all have a conduct clause in their contracts which literally prohibits conduct that is damaging to the league. They sign these contracts, so no sympathy.

No sympathy for Stephen Smith either....I can't stand his ass. Almost every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out so I hope they give him a nice, long break.

This kills me that bosses go on peoples facebook page. If the government is doing it then it must be ligit, lol.

Deadflow3r said:

babynoz said:

I work for the gub'ment and they most certainly do suspend and even fire people for DV and for lesser offences as well. People working in our jurisdiction have been reprimanded and even demoted for posting racist and other inappropriate comments on their private FB pages.

As for the ball players, they all have a conduct clause in their contracts which literally prohibits conduct that is damaging to the league. They sign these contracts, so no sympathy.

No sympathy for Stephen Smith either....I can't stand his ass. Almost every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out so I hope they give him a nice, long break.

This kills me that bosses go on peoples facebook page. If the government is doing it then it must be ligit, lol.

In those cases it was actually subordinates who reported the FB activity of supervisors who were FB friends of theirs.

Like I said, people agree to this of their own free will when they take the job.

SeventeenDayze said:

phunkdaddy said:

I felt he should have been given at least a 4 game suspension.

2 games was definitely a joke. That's why Mr. Ray isn't appealing.

Sounds like he got a slap on the wrist. The first two games aren't so critical in a season. But, slap a 4-game suspension on him, then that changes everything. What a shame.

The Ravens open with two divisional games. They only play six divisional games. How are those two games not important?!!!

In baseball it is the equivalent of 23 games, in basketball it is the equivalent of 10 games.

SUPRMAN said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Sounds like he got a slap on the wrist. The first two games aren't so critical in a season. But, slap a 4-game suspension on him, then that changes everything. What a shame.

The Ravens open with two divisional games. They only play six divisional games. How are those two games not important?!!!

In baseball it is the equivalent of 23 games, in basketball it is the equivalent of 10 games.

Did they eliminate the wild card from the NFL for this upcoming season?

So, so, so wrong on so many levels.

#1 - he's a f*cking punk. Yeah, ok, she hit him first - big deal - the dude is built like a tank, you gonna tell me he couldn't take a few bitchslaps?

#2 - THEY GOT MARRIED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
If they got into a physical fight while still engaged, what is going to happen after 10 years of marriage? I see a mansion going up in flames again.
#3 - 2 game suspension? Athletes are supposed to be role models, no? I'd be getting rid of any Rice jerseys were I a fan.

TonyVanDam said:

TD3 said:

Are we seriously having this silly conversation about ghetto rules again... you hit me I hit you back Tony?

Lets put this in proper context. No man or woman should be laying their hands to physically hurt anyone. With that said, if any woman lands the first punch, kick, and/or spit on the man, that same man has every right to defend himself. Period.

I stand by my words.

blah blah blah

you don't have to knock a woman out to defend yourself... he could have easily held her off him

some of the responses in this thread

PurpleJedi said:

So, so, so wrong on so many levels.

#1 - he's a f*cking punk. Yeah, ok, she hit him first - big deal - the dude is built like a tank, you gonna tell me he couldn't take a few bitchslaps?

#2 - THEY GOT MARRIED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
If they got into a physical fight while still engaged, what is going to happen after 10 years of marriage? I see a mansion going up in flames again.
#3 - 2 game suspension? Athletes are supposed to be role models, no? I'd be getting rid of any Rice jerseys were I a fan.

Well, I don't believe in taking bitchslaps from anyone. But that fool handled it way wrong. All he had to do is just push her away.

Guns, if parents have to look to complete strangers to set values for their kids, those parents aren't doing their job. You can admire these cats for their athletic skills, but that's all.

Apparently the NFL hadn't seen the video.

NFL's Ravens terminate contract of running back Ray Rice

(Reuters) - The Baltimore Ravens on Monday fired Ray Rice after a new video surfaced showing the three-time Pro Bowl running back punching his then-fiancee during an argument earlier this year.

An earlier video showed Rice dragging unconscious Janay Palmer from an elevator at an Atlantic City, New Jersey, casino but the new one was taken from inside the elevator.

The new video, published on the website TMZ, showed Rice slugging Palmer, who is now Rice's wife, and her falling face down on the elevator floor.

"The Baltimore Ravens terminated the contract of RB Ray Rice this afternoon," the team said in a one-sentence statement.

A short time later, the NFL suspended Rice indefinitely.

An NFL spokesman said the league had not seen the new video prior to suspending the 27-year-old Rice for two games, a punishment that was widely seen as too lenient.

Full story HERE

Maybe he should try out for UFC???

The jerk should have been kicked to the curb from jump. To the Ravens, Roger Goodell , and the NFL PR... were you this damn dumb to think the video wasn't going to be released. "We didn't see the video." It was a damn CASINO cameras are EVERYWHERE... they didn't won't to see. This is cover our asses because the ol' boys club could no longer protect one of their own.

Let me tell you about men how hit woman or think its OK to hit women, PUNKS. Most of these boys don't push up on other men, they are scared to death of other men. Believe when I tell you this... seen it first hand for generations.