Why does the mom (I guess thats the lady) leaves the 4 year old after checking on him???????????

SeventeenDayze said:

morningsong said:

On the news this morning it was said that this was a 4 year old austic boy riding his tricycle, when the neighbors dog got out when they opened their gate to back the car out. It was those neighbors that called 911. The dog's in custody. The mom didn't know what happened until she saw the security footage. That's all I've heard.

Yeah it seems like the only videos that have been released and subsequently posted on Youtube don't show the neighbors at all. I think this news story is going to be around for a while because of how bizzare it is. Maybe the cat will get a reality show.....

What's bizarre about it? It's a dog attacking. It happens all the time. I was watching the story again on the world news this evening and they were talking about how this video is bringing to light something people don't want to talk about...the fact that 4.5 million Americans were bitten by dogs last year, mainly due to irresponsible pet owners who ignore leash laws and something like a half billion dollars was paid out in insurance claims for dog attacks. This is a real problem and dog owners need to be held more responsible for the damage their dogs cause because they are not on a leash and under their control. It's not the dog's fault. They are animals and only acting out their natural instinct and can't think and behave rationally. Despite what some pet owners think, dogs are not humans.

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morningsong said:

On the news this morning it was said that this was a 4 year old austic boy riding his tricycle, when the neighbors dog got out when they opened their gate to back the car out. It was those neighbors that called 911. The dog's in custody. The mom didn't know what happened until she saw the security footage. That's all I've heard.

Four years old and autistic too?

There is no way in hell he should have been out there without close supervision.

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

On the news this morning it was said that this was a 4 year old austic boy riding his tricycle, when the neighbors dog got out when they opened their gate to back the car out. It was those neighbors that called 911. The dog's in custody. The mom didn't know what happened until she saw the security footage. That's all I've heard.

Four years old and autistic too?

There is no way in hell he should have been out there without close supervision.

exactly

if my 4 year old son is in our front yard where he can access the road, you can bet i'm standing right next to him

MoBettaBliss said:

babynoz said:

Four years old and autistic too?

There is no way in hell he should have been out there without close supervision.

exactly

if my 4 year old son is in our front yard where he can access the road, you can bet i'm standing right next to him

I keep thinking what if the cat hadn't been there? Yikes!

babynoz said:

MoBettaBliss said:

exactly

if my 4 year old son is in our front yard where he can access the road, you can bet i'm standing right next to him

I keep thinking what if the cat hadn't been there? Yikes!

yep... that dog wasn't playin'

so much shit that happens to kids can be avoided if parents show more diligence... i know kids have to learn etc... but a 4 year old shouldn't be in that situation

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

On the news this morning it was said that this was a 4 year old austic boy riding his tricycle, when the neighbors dog got out when they opened their gate to back the car out. It was those neighbors that called 911. The dog's in custody. The mom didn't know what happened until she saw the security footage. That's all I've heard.

Four years old and autistic too?

There is no way in hell he should have been out there without close supervision.

Your comments here are probably going to be said verbatim once the neighbor with the dog lawyers up and decides to countersue and say the mother was neglecting the son....count on that.

I just saw online that the hero cat has been invited to throw out the first pitch (with his owners/family). This is hilarious! The family was also interviewed on the Today Show. It's moments like this when I wish cats could talk, I'm sure she'd have a lot to say by now!

This is what happens when you don't train, socialize, nor exercise your dog. If my dog gets out of the house without a leash I'm gunning after him, heart beating fast. I don't want anyone to steal him. (I'm weird) And heaven forbid he scares someone and they call animal control. He's a mastiff, he' big.

My dog barks a little when he sees a small person on a trike or big wheel, then he hears a kid's voice, then he gets excited, and then plays with them. Kids on small bikes/trikes can be unsettling for a dog, they don't know what it is. This thing is at my eye level but rolling and talking? WTH?

I feel bad for pet owners that think the backyard is enough socializing and exercising a dog needs. That poor kid will now be forever fearful of dogs.

And that cat was amazing.

KatSkrizzle said:

This is what happens when you don't train, socialize, nor exercise your dog. If my dog gets out of the house without a leash I'm gunning after him, heart beating fast. I don't want anyone to steal him. (I'm weird) And heaven forbid he scares someone and they call animal control. He's a mastiff, he' big.

My dog barks a little when he sees a small person on a trike or big wheel, then he hears a kid's voice, then he gets excited, and then plays with them. Kids on small bikes/trikes can be unsettling for a dog, they don't know what it is. This thing is at my eye level but rolling and talking? WTH?

I feel bad for pet owners that think the backyard is enough socializing and exercising a dog needs. That poor kid will now be forever fearful of dogs.

And that cat was amazing.

I saw an interview with the mother. He's not afraid of dogs now. They have one themselves and he has not shown any fear at all. Also, there was no mention of him being autistic.

The other thing she said was that she was right there in the front with him working in her garden.

I feel the same way as you about my dogs. My 6 month old puppy is now starting to bark at strangers (especially if they are wearing a ballcap or something) when we are walking and it's a habit that needs to be broken immediately. Even though she has shown no aggression, she may be unpredictable...besides it's scary to even just have a dog barking at you...no one deserves that. People think my dog looks scary as well - her eyes freak them out...so that doesn't help.

Bottom line is this dog was not being cared for properly.

SeventeenDayze said:

I just saw online that the hero cat has been invited to throw out the first pitch (with his owners/family). This is hilarious! The family was also interviewed on the Today Show. It's moments like this when I wish cats could talk, I'm sure she'd have a lot to say by now!

there's a cool show called the dog whisperer with cesar millan. he demonstrates how to work with dogs and re-socialize them. it is amazing to see him actually gentle down big, huge "vicious' animals.

kitbradley said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I just saw online that the hero cat has been invited to throw out the first pitch (with his owners/family). This is hilarious! The family was also interviewed on the Today Show. It's moments like this when I wish cats could talk, I'm sure she'd have a lot to say by now!

Yeah it was a minor league baseball team in Southern California. This cat is moving up in the world I bet she'll be in Fancy Feast commercials soon

XxAxX said:

there's a cool show called the dog whisperer with cesar millan. he demonstrates how to work with dogs and re-socialize them. it is amazing to see him actually gentle down big, huge "vicious' animals.

His work has been WIDELY criticized by dog behaviourists and veterinarians. The dominance theory, which he uses, is based off old studies of wolf behaviour which are now considered outdated and well, just plain incorrect...by wolf experts no less.

Personally, I like the dude and I really believe that he feels he's doing the best for these dogs but I definitely believe in the positive reinforcement methods that many trainers use now, not this "alpha dog" stuff.

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

there's a cool show called the dog whisperer with cesar millan. he demonstrates how to work with dogs and re-socialize them. it is amazing to see him actually gentle down big, huge "vicious' animals.

His work has been WIDELY criticized by dog behaviourists and veterinarians. The dominance theory, which he uses, is based off old studies of wolf behaviour which are now considered outdated and well, just plain incorrect...by wolf experts no less.

Personally, I like the dude and I really believe that he feels he's doing the best for these dogs but I definitely believe in the positive reinforcement methods that many trainers use now, not this "alpha dog" stuff.

I've used some of Victoria Stilwell's techniques. We also took my big boy to a trainer and learned a lot of great stuff there too.

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

there's a cool show called the dog whisperer with cesar millan. he demonstrates how to work with dogs and re-socialize them. it is amazing to see him actually gentle down big, huge "vicious' animals.

His work has been WIDELY criticized by dog behaviourists and veterinarians. The dominance theory, which he uses, is based off old studies of wolf behaviour which are now considered outdated and well, just plain incorrect...by wolf experts no less.

Personally, I like the dude and I really believe that he feels he's doing the best for these dogs but I definitely believe in the positive reinforcement methods that many trainers use now, not this "alpha dog" stuff.

hmmm. i guess i wouldn't know anything more than the show, which portrayed him as successful and the dogs as cheerful. as far as animal theory goes, i'd say it evolves every day as we gain understanding of our fellow denizens of planet earth

SeventeenDayze said:

morningsong said:

On the news this morning it was said that this was a 4 year old austic boy riding his tricycle, when the neighbors dog got out when they opened their gate to back the car out. It was those neighbors that called 911. The dog's in custody. The mom didn't know what happened until she saw the security footage. That's all I've heard.

Yeah it seems like the only videos that have been released and subsequently posted on Youtube don't show the neighbors at all. I think this news story is going to be around for a while because of how bizzare it is. Maybe the cat will get a reality show.....

Pussy Control?

samkel said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Yeah it seems like the only videos that have been released and subsequently posted on Youtube don't show the neighbors at all. I think this news story is going to be around for a while because of how bizzare it is. Maybe the cat will get a reality show.....

Pussy Control?

cat scratch fever!

Genesia said:

kitbradley said:

It amazes me. I see it all the time, especially during the summer months. When the sun rises, people kick their children out into the streets and let them stay out ALL DAY, unsupervised! I swear, I've seen children outdoors from sunrise til sunset, absolutely no adults in sight! They are crossing the street and riding their bikes into uncoming traffic and not paying attention. They are fighting with each other and no one can find their parents. And then if something happens to the kid, the irresponsible parent is calling every lawyer in town to see how much money they can sue for.

Seriously? My sisters and I were outside from dawn to dusk when we were kids. My mom used to shoo us out of the house to play all the time. And she did not sit around watching us all the time.

Not when we were as little as that kid, of course. But I was riding my bike around the block by myself (and it was a big block) and walking more than a mile home from school by the time I was 8. Looking out for my three younger sisters, too. I was babysitting at 10.

I had a few scary and irresponsible moments, but that's how you learn.

See. Back in the 50's and 60's you could do this without fear of perverts. When I was as young as three years old my mom would sit me in a wooden rocking swan and place it on the sidewalk in front of our house. She would go back inside the house and sit at her sewing machine which was in front of a windown that overlooked the front yard. She could keep constant watch from there. I would rock that swant all the way to the end of the sidewalk and Mom would come out and turn it around so I could rock back toward the porch. When I got my first bike I stayed out all day riding and exploring. Back then it was understood. In the summer or when the weather was good, you took you ass oustside and played and only came back home for bathroom breaks and lunch. And the only steadfast rule wsa to have your ass back in the house by the time the street lights came on. It's sad that don't have freedom anymore, especiall in and around large cities. Hey, but small towns have their share of perverts, too.

Shyra said:

Genesia said:

Seriously? My sisters and I were outside from dawn to dusk when we were kids. My mom used to shoo us out of the house to play all the time. And she did not sit around watching us all the time.

Not when we were as little as that kid, of course. But I was riding my bike around the block by myself (and it was a big block) and walking more than a mile home from school by the time I was 8. Looking out for my three younger sisters, too. I was babysitting at 10.

I had a few scary and irresponsible moments, but that's how you learn.

See. Back in the 50's and 60's you could do this without fear of perverts. When I was as young as three years old my mom would sit me in a wooden rocking swan and place it on the sidewalk in front of our house. She would go back inside the house and sit at her sewing machine which was in front of a windown that overlooked the front yard. She could keep constant watch from there. I would rock that swant all the way to the end of the sidewalk and Mom would come out and turn it around so I could rock back toward the porch. When I got my first bike I stayed out all day riding and exploring. Back then it was understood. In the summer or when the weather was good, you took you ass oustside and played and only came back home for bathroom breaks and lunch. And the only steadfast rule wsa to have your ass back in the house by the time the street lights came on. It's sad that don't have freedom anymore, especiall in and around large cities. Hey, but small towns have their share of perverts, too.

the perverts were all relatives back then

ZombieKitten said:

Shyra said:

See. Back in the 50's and 60's you could do this without fear of perverts. When I was as young as three years old my mom would sit me in a wooden rocking swan and place it on the sidewalk in front of our house. She would go back inside the house and sit at her sewing machine which was in front of a windown that overlooked the front yard. She could keep constant watch from there. I would rock that swant all the way to the end of the sidewalk and Mom would come out and turn it around so I could rock back toward the porch. When I got my first bike I stayed out all day riding and exploring. Back then it was understood. In the summer or when the weather was good, you took you ass oustside and played and only came back home for bathroom breaks and lunch. And the only steadfast rule wsa to have your ass back in the house by the time the street lights came on. It's sad that don't have freedom anymore, especiall in and around large cities. Hey, but small towns have their share of perverts, too.

the perverts were all relatives back then

Actually, times are exactly the same. The difference is access to media and it's reporting of incidents that has made everyone more cautious.

I dealt with two major incidents when I was a child. First was an attempted abduction that I got away from when walking home from school when I was very young and the other was a man that tried to lure my friend and I into his car and then masturbated in front of us (we were about 13 years old). The second incident led to an arrest and conviction because I memorized the plate number and make of the truck and we called the police on the nearest payphone.

There has always been unwell people out there...

JustErin said:

ZombieKitten said:

the perverts were all relatives back then

Actually, times are exactly the same. The difference is access to media and it's reporting of incidents that has made everyone more cautious.

I dealt with two major incidents when I was a child. First was an attempted abduction that I got away from when walking home from school when I was very young and the other was a man that tried to lure my friend and I into his car and then masturbated in front of us (we were about 13 years old). The second incident led to an arrest and conviction because I memorized the plate number and make of the truck and we called the police on the nearest payphone.

There has always been unwell people out there...

yep. our next door neighbor was a child molester

Update: Super Kitty has just joined the JLA

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

there's a cool show called the dog whisperer with cesar millan. he demonstrates how to work with dogs and re-socialize them. it is amazing to see him actually gentle down big, huge "vicious' animals.

His work has been WIDELY criticized by dog behaviourists and veterinarians. The dominance theory, which he uses, is based off old studies of wolf behaviour which are now considered outdated and well, just plain incorrect...by wolf experts no less.

My roommate is a certified professional dog trainer, and she calls him a dipshit. Also, the man who originally did the wolf studies that all these misguided dominance theories came from is one of the ones who's said his study can't be applied to dogs or wild wolves (part of the problem with the study was that it studied wolves in captivity). Despite this, people latched onto those studies because it offers a seemingly simple solution and fits our preferences for hierarchy and easy answers.
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Also, even if some of those dogs look "cured," first of all, my understanding is that he films many shows and not all air. Secondly, what you're actually seeing is that a lot of those dogs are shut down. (I'm not going to go much into this concept, but those of you who have dogs or are considering it may want to Google it.) A shut down dog won't be very independent or good at problem solving, and is at risk for lashing out in the future. What a lot of people don't realize is that because dogs want to please us so much, they'll put up with a lot and still appear happy and loving toward us, until something triggers the anxiety that we've been causing with poor training. There were some truly horrific experments in I believe the 60s that showed the extremes that dogs will put up with.

^ interesting. good to know there are other ways to look at this. i guess if i ever have a dog i'll keep in mind that cesar milano has a lot of detractors. calling him a 'dipshit' imo seems a little harsh, but i guess your friend has a right to her opinion, yes??

i guess we can obtain differing opinions of cesar milano's work depending on who we ask. i know of a lot of people who swear by his approach and methodologies.

it's a very good thing that we are adults here on prince.org and can agree to disagree, and can express our different opinions on various topics

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XxAxX said:

^ interesting. good to know there are other ways to look at this. i guess if i ever have a dog i'll keep in mind that cesar milano has a lot of detractors. calling him a 'dipshit' imo seems a little harsh, but i guess your friend has a right to her opinion, yes??

i guess we can obtain differing opinions of cesar milano's work depending on who we ask. i know of a lot of people who swear by his approach and methodologies.

it's a very good thing that we are adults here on prince.org and can agree to disagree, and can express our different opinions on various topics

[Edited 5/24/14 7:10am]

When she says he's a dipshit it doesn't really sound that harsh, more like how a laid back surfer or a stoner would say it. We just both have potty mouths. The thing is, there's absolutely no scientific evidence of any kind to support the way Millan trains dogs. He didn't get his TV show due to experience or knowledge -- he got it because he's good looking and flashy, sadly. For people who prefer to get their training from TV shows, Victoria Stilwell's show "It's Me or the Dog" is much better; her training methods are based on proven research and can be replicated by anyone -- and they don't have the "Do not try this at home" warnings that Millan's show often has.

For a good breakdown on the issues caused in dog training by Millan, this article is a good starting point. Stilwell's show wasn't being aired yet in the US when it was written, otherwise it may have been an interesting addition to the discussion. However, the work of people like Ian Dunbar and Patricia McConnell will go into more depth than any TV show, so people who are really serious about dog training should take a look at their work.

One more thing I should add: Another one of my friends who's a dog trainer and also despises Millan read recently that he's been incorporating more science-based methods into his advice (i.e. methods more like Stilwell's). Although that's a positive development, most of us have our doubts as to whether he'll change his methods on a larger scale, because at the end of the day he has to compete with Stilwell and it wouldn't be in his financial interest to lose what differentiates him from her and other famous trainers. It's fucked up and I hope I'm proven wrong, but at this point there's really very little incentive for him to change because he's now a celebrity with a brand before anything else. That's Hollywood for you. Perhaps his show no longer being on the air will help him change. One can only hope.

[Edited 5/24/14 22:31pm]

Arbwyth said:

One more thing I should add: Another one of my friends who's a dog trainer and also despises Millan read recently that he's been incorporating more science-based methods into his advice (i.e. methods more like Stilwell's). Although that's a positive development, most of us have our doubts as to whether he'll change his methods on a larger scale, because at the end of the day he has to compete with Stilwell and it wouldn't be in his financial interest to lose what differentiates him from her and other famous trainers. It's fucked up and I hope I'm proven wrong, but at this point there's really very little incentive for him to change because he's now a celebrity with a brand before anything else. That's Hollywood for you. Perhaps his show no longer being on the air will help him change. One can only hope.

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i see your point there with respe ct to the bolded bit. still though, agree to disagree. i watched the show and never saw anything like what you describe. it's interesting how two people can look at the same thing and see it differently

and now, point taken so back to the topic of the thread: Super Cat Tosses Out First Pitch

awww. is it me or does that cat seem bewildered by all the attention?