colouritin said:

Gunsnhalen said:

So, i was curious about peoples opinion on this. But do you think Walt really cares about his family that much anymore?

I mean he is barely there witht he family most of the time in season 5... and he has just grown way to fucked up with all his power. Think of the situation in season 5 when there partner in the train robbery killed the 14 year old kid and Walt got over it pretty quick cause it was for ''business''

He spends more time away from family because of running the meth game and he doesn't even seem that bothered when more and more people have to die as long as he gets his money.

And he pretty much helped Poison Brock in season 4...

With all that i can't see how he really is all about his family now with the way he has gone! i don't get fans who still root for Walter and his evil deeds after season 4 and so far 5.

He did give up his 9to5 there for a while, so he had that time to cook meth, meet, kill and dispose of folks and still be home by dinner. Skyler's been busy, and Walt Jr is either a Junior or Senior in highschool, so he's probably not home that much anyway. Besides when we met Walt he still wasn't home that much because he had 2 jobs to make ends met.

Gunsnhalen said:

So, i was curious about peoples opinion on this. But do you think Walt really cares about his family that much anymore?

I mean he is barely there witht he family most of the time in season 5... and he has just grown way to fucked up with all his power. Think of the situation in season 5 when there partner in the train robbery killed the 14 year old kid and Walt got over it pretty quick cause it was for ''business''

He spends more time away from family because of running the meth game and he doesn't even seem that bothered when more and more people have to die as long as he gets his money.

And he pretty much helped Poison Brock in season 4...

With all that i can't see how he really is all about his family now with the way he has gone! i don't get fans who still root for Walter and his evil deeds after season 4 and so far 5.

I think Walt was at one time so stuck on the idea of "doing it for the family" he couldn't see how his actions have torn the family apart more completely than hospital bills ever could have.

There might have been an exit point where he could have gotten away with what he'd done and gone back to "normal" life... maybe before going to work for Fring. He's long past it.

It seems like a morality lesson, if you choose evil to solve your problems, you're not going to be able to limit it to just a little bit of evil. One little problem turns into a big problem and a little evil won't do it anymore, you need all the evil forces you can muster just to get through the night. Calling up those forces is like calling up demons - you may not have learned the spell to send them back to hell after they've done your bidding.

I cannot WAIT for the confrontation between Hank and Jesse. I can taste it. Especially since we know that Jesse is now completely unhinged. He doesn't even call Saul. All the loyalty that kept him tied to Walt seems to have vanished. He can't live with himself and seems not to give a damn about ANYTHING. Why would he still give a damn about Walt?

He's now been paid in full and can't live with what he did to earn the money. It almost reminds me of Judas throwing the money back at the pharisees - he can't live with what he did to earn that money. Judas went off and hanged himself. What's Jesse going to do? Turn on his partner? Take complete responsibility? Stay silent? Some have suggested that Hank is going to use Walt's family against him by appealing to Jesse's obvious sympathy for kids - we'll go easy on the family if you just tell us XYZ.

For being one of the coldest mothers on the show, Todd certainly is professional and polite!

BANG BANG BANG! "Sorry about that, ma'am."

bobzilla77 said:

morningsong said:

The episode Phoenix seem to say so much, I like how they did that for the second season, set you up for what's to come. Everybody just manipulates Jesse, too bad he ain't surrounded by people who mean him well.

I know! and the sad part is... Skinny Pete and Badger seem like good guys compared to the others.

Gunsnhalen said:

AUGUST 24, 2013 11:44 AM PDT

Breaking Bad's Anna Gunn: 'I Was Unprepared for the Vitriolic Response Skyler Inspired'

Matt Webb Mitovich

Some Breaking Bad fans have disturbingly projected their attitudes toward Skyler onto her portrayer, to the point that actress Anna Gunnhas taken steps to safeguard herself from violent threats.

RELATED | TVLine Performer of the W... Anna Gunn

“At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me,” Gunn shares in an op-ed contribution to the New York Times. “One post read: ‘Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?’ Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?”

Since meth-king Walter’s wife calls him on his lies both huge and small, “Skyler is, in a sense, his antagonist” and “might not be the show’s most popular character,” Gunn acknowledges. “But I was unprepared for the vitriolic response she inspired.”

“Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or ‘stand by her man’? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up?” she muses. “Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?”

RELATED | Dean Norris Revisits Breaking Bad‘s Garage Showdown, Previews Hank/Jesse Face-Off

Gunn — who has twice (including this year) been Emmy-nominated for her performance as Skyler — says she ultimately realized that neither she nor her character are the problem but rather some viewers’ “perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become … a measure of our attitudes toward gender.”

“I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate,” Gunn concludes. “But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.”

(Again, the full text of Gunn’s excellent, candid editorial can and should be read at NYTimes.com.)

what a great episode...

No real criminal would have put up with Pinkman this long.

Dude needs a bullet right between the eyes.

morningsong said:

WOW. What he did to Hank. WOW. How the episode closed. And Skylar is just completely compliant with everything, what's her back story?

Agreed - "WOW" is the best way to describe last night's episode!

Hudson said:

AUGUST 24, 2013 11:44 AM PDT

Breaking Bad's Anna Gunn: 'I Was Unprepared for the Vitriolic Response Skyler Inspired'

Get More: Controversy

Matt Webb Mitovich

Some Breaking Bad fans have disturbingly projected their attitudes toward Skyler onto her portrayer, to the point that actress Anna Gunnhas taken steps to safeguard herself from violent threats.

RELATED | TVLine Performer of the W... Anna Gunn

“At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me,” Gunn shares in an op-ed contribution to the New York Times. “One post read: ‘Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?’ Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?”

Since meth-king Walter’s wife calls him on his lies both huge and small, “Skyler is, in a sense, his antagonist” and “might not be the show’s most popular character,” Gunn acknowledges. “But I was unprepared for the vitriolic response she inspired.”

“Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or ‘stand by her man’? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up?” she muses. “Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?”

RELATED | Dean Norris Revisits Breaking Bad‘s Garage Showdown, Previews Hank/Jesse Face-Off

Gunn — who has twice (including this year) been Emmy-nominated for her performance as Skyler — says she ultimately realized that neither she nor her character are the problem but rather some viewers’ “perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become … a measure of our attitudes toward gender.”

“I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate,” Gunn concludes. “But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.”

(Again, the full text of Gunn’s excellent, candid editorial can and should be read at NYTimes.com.)

yikes. hopefully, fans aren't really that stupid

Well I watched the second episode of the final half of this final Season of 'Breaking Bad', and man are they "Breaking Bad".

It just gets darker, and darker, resolving like a chess game, piece by piece, till Walt will have "Checkmate", but end with nothing. Maybe ?

The inevitable 'Twist' will hopefully happen, otherwise I'm gonna have Psych problems.

The Show was a lotta fun initially.

I'm not sure what the point of breaking it all down is, but I suppose there's no artistic way to go but to the baddest ending possible.

For such a popular show it is interesting to find that POP is how we love this exploration of the dark side of Reality.

morningsong said:

What's funny Gus never wanted Walt, yet Walt's head got so big because he really believed Gus was so impressed with his product. He could have cared less he just wanted to make Gale happy.

That was so brutal, the season opening right after the Gale shooting, a flashback to the opening of the superlab where Gale is so wide-eyed that someone made a cleaner sample than his, he just HAS to meet the man. He had such a pure love for science, he basically signed his own death warrant by insisting on bring Walt in, just to get the purity up 3 points.

I am starting to be really freaked out by Todd, or as my buddy calls him, "Little Ricky Hitler." He's blabbing about the Great Train Robbery, you know, that event that was so insane the no one could know they'd done it, meaning they had to kill a kid in the desert. And his call to Walt, "me and Declan had some differences of opinion and it got a little messy"...>>shudder.<<

It's one loose end Walt's not even paying attention to. He might have convinced himself the future of the operation is not his problem but Little Ricky Hitler might have a difference of opinion with him about that.

I'm starting to think that big-ass gun we saw in the first Flash Forward or Mr Lambert is for Todd and his uncle.

bobzilla77 said:

morningsong said:

What's funny Gus never wanted Walt, yet Walt's head got so big because he really believed Gus was so impressed with his product. He could have cared less he just wanted to make Gale happy.

That was so brutal, the season opening right after the Gale shooting, a flashback to the opening of the superlab where Gale is so wide-eyed that someone made a cleaner sample than his, he just HAS to meet the man. He had such a pure love for science, he basically signed his own death warrant by insisting on bring Walt in, just to get the purity up 3 points.

I am starting to be really freaked out by Todd, or as my buddy calls him, "Little Ricky Hitler." He's blabbing about the Great Train Robbery, you know, that event that was so insane the no one could know they'd done it, meaning they had to kill a kid in the desert. And his call to Walt, "me and Declan had some differences of opinion and it got a little messy"...>>shudder.<<

It's one loose end Walt's not even paying attention to. He might have convinced himself the future of the operation is not his problem but Little Ricky Hitler might have a difference of opinion with him about that.

I'm starting to think that big-ass gun we saw in the first Flash Forward or Mr Lambert is for Todd and his uncle.

oh! Is that Todd's jacket Walt is wearing in the flash forward where he buys the M60?

bobzilla77 said:

morningsong said:

What's funny Gus never wanted Walt, yet Walt's head got so big because he really believed Gus was so impressed with his product. He could have cared less he just wanted to make Gale happy.

That was so brutal, the season opening right after the Gale shooting, a flashback to the opening of the superlab where Gale is so wide-eyed that someone made a cleaner sample than his, he just HAS to meet the man. He had such a pure love for science, he basically signed his own death warrant by insisting on bring Walt in, just to get the purity up 3 points.

I am starting to be really freaked out by Todd, or as my buddy calls him, "Little Ricky Hitler." He's blabbing about the Great Train Robbery, you know, that event that was so insane the no one could know they'd done it, meaning they had to kill a kid in the desert. And his call to Walt, "me and Declan had some differences of opinion and it got a little messy"...>>shudder.<<

It's one loose end Walt's not even paying attention to. He might have convinced himself the future of the operation is not his problem but Little Ricky Hitler might have a difference of opinion with him about that.

I'm starting to think that big-ass gun we saw in the first Flash Forward or Mr Lambert is for Todd and his uncle.

morningsong said:

bobzilla77 said:

That was so brutal, the season opening right after the Gale shooting, a flashback to the opening of the superlab where Gale is so wide-eyed that someone made a cleaner sample than his, he just HAS to meet the man. He had such a pure love for science, he basically signed his own death warrant by insisting on bring Walt in, just to get the purity up 3 points.

I am starting to be really freaked out by Todd, or as my buddy calls him, "Little Ricky Hitler." He's blabbing about the Great Train Robbery, you know, that event that was so insane the no one could know they'd done it, meaning they had to kill a kid in the desert. And his call to Walt, "me and Declan had some differences of opinion and it got a little messy"...>>shudder.<<

It's one loose end Walt's not even paying attention to. He might have convinced himself the future of the operation is not his problem but Little Ricky Hitler might have a difference of opinion with him about that.

I'm starting to think that big-ass gun we saw in the first Flash Forward or Mr Lambert is for Todd and his uncle.

I felt sorry for Gale. I don't know about those flash forwards, like that teddy bear in the pool thing and the 2 bodies laying beside the car, they tend to imply things that didn't actually happen, so I'm going to leave that alone. But knowing how Walt can manipulte Jesse, and that Jesse is in a blind rage right now, I wouldn't be shocked if Walt turns Jesse to Todd, then again Todd might get popped by Lydia, because she's the one that told Walt about the train from her overseas employers Madrigal, weren't they the ones coming to kill her previous employer who ended using the defibulator on himself, so it can go all kinds of ways.

yeah the plane crash damage seemed to change too... weren't more windows broken out of the car at first?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I wouldn't be shocked if Walt turns Jesse to Todd, then again Todd might get popped by Lydia, because she's the one that told Walt about the train from her overseas employers Madrigal, weren't they the ones coming to kill her previous employer who ended using the defibulator on himself, so it can go all kinds of ways.

The German guy who used the defibrillator on himself - after his last meal of chicken nuggets with the less-intestinal-distress formula of Cajun Kick Ass sauce - killed himself to avoid being questioned by police. The upshot was that having torched the lab, Walt and Jesse clued the police in to Gus' activities, and the trail had now been followed all the way up to Gus' inside man at the company. I doubt if Mike and Walt would have known who he was.

I've given up trying to guess what comes next, the writers are a lot cleverer than me at thinking this stuff up.

A friend of mine's girfriend works at the production company, and says security over this show is INSANE. The president of the network has asked for DVDs of the final episodes and been told "no."

bobzilla77 said:

I wouldn't be shocked if Walt turns Jesse to Todd, then again Todd might get popped by Lydia, because she's the one that told Walt about the train from her overseas employers Madrigal, weren't they the ones coming to kill her previous employer who ended using the defibulator on himself, so it can go all kinds of ways.

The German guy who used the defibrillator on himself - after his last meal of chicken nuggets with the less-intestinal-distress formula of Cajun Kick Ass sauce - killed himself to avoid being questioned by police. The upshot was that having torched the lab, Walt and Jesse clued the police in to Gus' activities, and the trail had now been followed all the way up to Gus' inside man at the company. I doubt if Mike and Walt would have known who he was.

I've given up trying to guess what comes next, the writers are a lot cleverer than me at thinking this stuff up.

Okay, I didn't remember if it was the police or the overseas people, thanks. But Lydia is still tied to the overseas people and she's the cause for their messed up train shipment we don't know what problems they had when they discovered their shipment was diluted, so I figure if Todd is bragging she's going to want to cover her tracks because we really don't know much about her "bosses".