Timmy84 said:

kewlschool said:

He probably comitted suicide and set the fire.

Or worse the police did it to flush him out.

I'm going with the former.

they're reporting on the news that they believe he did shoot himself, and shortly afterward the fire started. i don't know how he would set the fire *after* the shot, though. maybe he started fire and they didn't notice the flames until after the shot(?)

i'm still trippin off the fact that someone mentioned that big bear is only an hour and a half from downtown l.a. i thought it was much farther away.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm going with the former.

they're reporting on the news that they believe he did shoot himself, and shortly afterward the fire started. i don't know how he would set the fire *after* the shot, though. maybe he started fire and they didn't notice the flames until after the shot(?)

i'm still trippin off the fact that someone mentioned that big bear is only an hour and a half from downtown l.a. i thought it was much farther away.

Well we will never know now so it's pointless to even speculate.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm going with the former.

they're reporting on the news that they believe he did shoot himself, and shortly afterward the fire started. i don't know how he would set the fire *after* the shot, though. maybe he started fire and they didn't notice the flames until after the shot(?)

i'm still trippin off the fact that someone mentioned that big bear is only an hour and a half from downtown l.a. i thought it was much farther away.

I'm thinking he shot himself and then someone threw a bomb in there. I read that somewhere.

kibbles said:

runphilrun said:

The SWAT team just shot some tear gas cannisters into the cabin.

Now the cabin is on fire..

So maybe it wasn't tear gas?

noimageatall said:

kibbles said:

they're reporting on the news that they believe he did shoot himself, and shortly afterward the fire started. i don't know how he would set the fire *after* the shot, though. maybe he started fire and they didn't notice the flames until after the shot(?)

i'm still trippin off the fact that someone mentioned that big bear is only an hour and a half from downtown l.a. i thought it was much farther away.

Well we will never know now so it's pointless to even speculate.

We sure as hell won't.

Fugitive ex-LAPD cop's body recovered from burned cabin

Updated 9:45 PM ET

CBS News has learned from a law enforcement source that a body recovered from a burned cabin in Big Bear, California, is believed to be Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer who was suspected of killing three people, and was the subject of an intense manhunt.

The cabin in which Dorner was believed to be holed up in San Bernardino County, east of L.A, is in flames, CBS Station KCAL Los Angeles had reported. It followed after an earlier shootout Tuesday afternoon between the suspect and authorities that left one deputy killed and another wounded.

A law enforcement official, who wished to remain anonymous because the investigation is ongoing, had told The Associated Press that the person believed to be the suspect never came out of the burning cabin.

CBS News correspondent Carter Evans, reported that tear gas was fired into the house, which was surrounded by authorities, before the fire broke out.

Dorner attracted a dragnet and a $1 million bounty on his head after three murders. Officials say he was targeting cops and their families in a rampage of revenge for his firing.

As KCAL reported, Dorner reportedly broke into a couple's home and tied them up -- possibly days ago -- before stealing their vehicle and fleeing the scene Tuesday afternoon. He was spotted by authorities around 1:30 p.m. and repeated gunshots were exchanged on Glass Road.

One of those gun battles was recorded by Evans, who was at the scene. A transcript of that audio as Evans reported follows:

"I hear some screaming. You heard all that gunfire. I see a team of sheriffs deputies in full-on fatigues running towards us right now. We are down on the ground behind the fields of our car right now with the doors open. I'm talking to you on speakerphone. We are right, right in the center of the action here. We are right where this is happening."

Evans later told "CBS Evening News" anchor Scott Pelley that the SWAT team had the cabin surrounded where Dorner is located at the moment and has been moving into position for the last hour or so. "We haven't heard a volley of gunfire like you heard there in the last hour or so," said Evans. "What we have heard are police officers firing tear gas into that building. They've also been laying down suppressive fire to keep Dorner from firing back at them while they've been moving officers into position."

Evans also reported that there are two police helicopters circling overhead, keeping an eye on things from the sky. On the ground, things seemed to have calmed down a bit as authorities seem to have moved into place.

As for whether there was anybody else with Dorner inside the cabin or if there are hostages, Evans said that is nothing at the moment to indicate that. "We have heard reports that may at one point have been someone inside that cabin with him but I've not been able to confirm that with the authorities. at least authorities standing around me right now think Christopher Dorner is the only one in that cabin."

According to KCAL, reporters in the vicinity were asked by the San Bernardino District Attorney's Office to abstain from tweeting about the developing situation.

Police say Dorner's rampage began a week and a half ago when a couple was murdered in Irvine, California. One of the victims was the daughter of a retired police captain who had defended Dorner in a disciplinary hearing that led to his firing by the LAPD police spotted Dorner early last Thursday but he escaped after allegedly shooting two Los Angeles cops.

He's also accused of ambushing two riverside policemen, killing one of them.

Investigators found Dorner's truck in the mountains northeast of L.A.

CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, who once headed up the major crimes division of the L.A.P.D. reported that there was some kind of confrontation Tuesday that involved a truck that, based on video, was kind of almost rammed into a snow bank and buried in the snow. that confrontation then spilled over with de deputies.

"It appears that Dorner may have been in that house for some time," said Miller. "Ironically, strangely or surprisingly, that house is located almost just across the street from the police command post where they've been running the search operation for a number of days, and not far from where his burned-out pickup truck was found."

According to Miller, the weapon Dorner is using is a sniper rifle -- a 50 caliber Barrett, an extraordinarily high-powered rifle, the kind used by the military. The SWAT resources on the scene from San Bernardino County have the house surrounded. Other armored vehicles and SWAT personnel are on the way from the city to assist if San Bernardino needs them.

Dorner was fired from the LAPD five years ago, when a department board determined that he falsely claimed another officer had kicked a suspect.

Asked about recent decision to reopen the case into Dorner's past with the LAPD, CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, former head of the Major Crimes Division of the LAPD, had earlier said on "CBS This Morning" the police may be testing Dorner.

"Dorner's manifesto says, 'I need to get my reputation back, and I didn't lie, and I shouldn't have been fired. But if I get justice, the killing stops,'" Miller said Tuesday. "I think if the department takes a step of, 'We'll take a second look at the case, if he is a man of his word, then the killing has to stop.' "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/flames-engulf-cabin-where-ex-l.a-cop-believed-holed-up/

NaughtyKitty said:

Fugitive ex-LAPD cop's body recovered from burned cabin

Updated 9:45 PM ET

CBS News has learned from a law enforcement source that a body recovered from a burned cabin in Big Bear, California, is believed to be Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer who was suspected of killing three people, and was the subject of an intense manhunt.

The cabin in which Dorner was believed to be holed up in San Bernardino County, east of L.A, is in flames, CBS Station KCAL Los Angeles had reported. It followed after an earlier shootout Tuesday afternoon between the suspect and authorities that left one deputy killed and another wounded.

A law enforcement official, who wished to remain anonymous because the investigation is ongoing, had told The Associated Press that the person believed to be the suspect never came out of the burning cabin.

CBS News correspondent Carter Evans, reported that tear gas was fired into the house, which was surrounded by authorities, before the fire broke out.

Dorner attracted a dragnet and a $1 million bounty on his head after three murders. Officials say he was targeting cops and their families in a rampage of revenge for his firing.

As KCAL reported, Dorner reportedly broke into a couple's home and tied them up -- possibly days ago -- before stealing their vehicle and fleeing the scene Tuesday afternoon. He was spotted by authorities around 1:30 p.m. and repeated gunshots were exchanged on Glass Road.

One of those gun battles was recorded by Evans, who was at the scene. A transcript of that audio as Evans reported follows:

"I hear some screaming. You heard all that gunfire. I see a team of sheriffs deputies in full-on fatigues running towards us right now. We are down on the ground behind the fields of our car right now with the doors open. I'm talking to you on speakerphone. We are right, right in the center of the action here. We are right where this is happening."

Evans later told "CBS Evening News" anchor Scott Pelley that the SWAT team had the cabin surrounded where Dorner is located at the moment and has been moving into position for the last hour or so. "We haven't heard a volley of gunfire like you heard there in the last hour or so," said Evans. "What we have heard are police officers firing tear gas into that building. They've also been laying down suppressive fire to keep Dorner from firing back at them while they've been moving officers into position."

Evans also reported that there are two police helicopters circling overhead, keeping an eye on things from the sky. On the ground, things seemed to have calmed down a bit as authorities seem to have moved into place.

As for whether there was anybody else with Dorner inside the cabin or if there are hostages, Evans said that is nothing at the moment to indicate that. "We have heard reports that may at one point have been someone inside that cabin with him but I've not been able to confirm that with the authorities. at least authorities standing around me right now think Christopher Dorner is the only one in that cabin."

According to KCAL, reporters in the vicinity were asked by the San Bernardino District Attorney's Office to abstain from tweeting about the developing situation.

Police say Dorner's rampage began a week and a half ago when a couple was murdered in Irvine, California. One of the victims was the daughter of a retired police captain who had defended Dorner in a disciplinary hearing that led to his firing by the LAPD police spotted Dorner early last Thursday but he escaped after allegedly shooting two Los Angeles cops.

He's also accused of ambushing two riverside policemen, killing one of them.

Investigators found Dorner's truck in the mountains northeast of L.A.

CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, who once headed up the major crimes division of the L.A.P.D. reported that there was some kind of confrontation Tuesday that involved a truck that, based on video, was kind of almost rammed into a snow bank and buried in the snow. that confrontation then spilled over with de deputies.

"It appears that Dorner may have been in that house for some time," said Miller. "Ironically, strangely or surprisingly, that house is located almost just across the street from the police command post where they've been running the search operation for a number of days, and not far from where his burned-out pickup truck was found."

According to Miller, the weapon Dorner is using is a sniper rifle -- a 50 caliber Barrett, an extraordinarily high-powered rifle, the kind used by the military. The SWAT resources on the scene from San Bernardino County have the house surrounded. Other armored vehicles and SWAT personnel are on the way from the city to assist if San Bernardino needs them.

Dorner was fired from the LAPD five years ago, when a department board determined that he falsely claimed another officer had kicked a suspect.

Asked about recent decision to reopen the case into Dorner's past with the LAPD, CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, former head of the Major Crimes Division of the LAPD, had earlier said on "CBS This Morning" the police may be testing Dorner.

"Dorner's manifesto says, 'I need to get my reputation back, and I didn't lie, and I shouldn't have been fired. But if I get justice, the killing stops,'" Miller said Tuesday. "I think if the department takes a step of, 'We'll take a second look at the case, if he is a man of his word, then the killing has to stop.' "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/flames-engulf-cabin-where-ex-l.a-cop-believed-holed-up/

They're almost certain it's Dorner. It's sad it had to come down to this but I knew it would end like this.

uh-oh here we go...

Another ex-cop's manifesto...

http://www.huffingtonpost...70513.html

Joe Jones Manifesto: Former LAPD Cop Says He Had Similar Experiences As Alleged Cop Killer, Chris Dorner

The Huffington Post | By Kathleen Miles Posted: 02/12/2013 3:18 pm EST

A former LAPD officer has written a manifesto sympathizing with Christopher Dorner, the fugitive ex-LA cop who has declared "war" on the LAPD.

"The 1st thing I would say to [Dorner] is, I feel your pains!," Joe Jones wrote in his manifesto, circulated Tuesday by hacker group Anonymous and posted to Jones' Facebook. "But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways."

Jones, 48, was a patrol officer for nine years, retired in 1998 and now has an event-planning company in LA, the LA Weekly reports. It appears that Jones' Facebook may have been disabled hours after posting his manifesto (see full manifesto below).

He expressed his condolences for Dorner's victims as well as victims of "the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality."

Jones said he himself has been a victim of such corruption. "I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day," he wrote. "The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill's of my experience as an LAPD Officer."

Jones' accounts of personally being wrong by the LAPD include:

1) I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support.
2) I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID'd himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial.
3) I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented

The former cop drew eerie parallels with Dorner, saying that he looks like Dorner, saying that "like… Dorner I used to smile a lot," and starting his manifesto off with the exact same intro as Dorner, " I know most of you who personally who [sic] me are in disbelief…"

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you can read the rest at the link...

noimageatall said:

uh-oh here we go...

Another ex-cop's manifesto...

http://www.huffingtonpost...70513.html

Joe Jones Manifesto: Former LAPD Cop Says He Had Similar Experiences As Alleged Cop Killer, Chris Dorner

The Huffington Post | By Kathleen Miles Posted: 02/12/2013 3:18 pm EST

A former LAPD officer has written a manifesto sympathizing with Christopher Dorner, the fugitive ex-LA cop who has declared "war" on the LAPD.

"The 1st thing I would say to [Dorner] is, I feel your pains!," Joe Jones wrote in his manifesto, circulated Tuesday by hacker group Anonymous and posted to Jones' Facebook. "But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways."

Jones, 48, was a patrol officer for nine years, retired in 1998 and now has an event-planning company in LA, the LA Weekly reports. It appears that Jones' Facebook may have been disabled hours after posting his manifesto (see full manifesto below).

He expressed his condolences for Dorner's victims as well as victims of "the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality."

Jones said he himself has been a victim of such corruption. "I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day," he wrote. "The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill's of my experience as an LAPD Officer."

Jones' accounts of personally being wrong by the LAPD include:

1) I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support.
2) I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID'd himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial.
3) I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented

The former cop drew eerie parallels with Dorner, saying that he looks like Dorner, saying that "like… Dorner I used to smile a lot," and starting his manifesto off with the exact same intro as Dorner, " I know most of you who personally who [sic] me are in disbelief…"

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you can read the rest at the link...

I already posted it a page or two ago.

Timmy84 said:

noimageatall said:

uh-oh here we go...

Another ex-cop's manifesto...

http://www.huffingtonpost...70513.html

Joe Jones Manifesto: Former LAPD Cop Says He Had Similar Experiences As Alleged Cop Killer, Chris Dorner

The Huffington Post | By Kathleen Miles Posted: 02/12/2013 3:18 pm EST

A former LAPD officer has written a manifesto sympathizing with Christopher Dorner, the fugitive ex-LA cop who has declared "war" on the LAPD.

"The 1st thing I would say to [Dorner] is, I feel your pains!," Joe Jones wrote in his manifesto, circulated Tuesday by hacker group Anonymous and posted to Jones' Facebook. "But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways."

Jones, 48, was a patrol officer for nine years, retired in 1998 and now has an event-planning company in LA, the LA Weekly reports. It appears that Jones' Facebook may have been disabled hours after posting his manifesto (see full manifesto below).

He expressed his condolences for Dorner's victims as well as victims of "the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality."

Jones said he himself has been a victim of such corruption. "I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day," he wrote. "The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill's of my experience as an LAPD Officer."

Jones' accounts of personally being wrong by the LAPD include:

The former cop drew eerie parallels with Dorner, saying that he looks like Dorner, saying that "like… Dorner I used to smile a lot," and starting his manifesto off with the exact same intro as Dorner, " I know most of you who personally who [sic] me are in disbelief…"

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you can read the rest at the link...

I already posted it a page or two ago.

Didn't see it. Sorry...

I'd say this ex-cop Joe is terrified.

noimageatall said:

I'd say this ex-cop Joe is terrified.

Well he obviously didn't want people think he condone anything Dorner was doing so I can understand.

Now there's 'confusion' about whether a body was even in the house??? geez...

Timmy84 said:

noimageatall said:

I'd say this ex-cop Joe is terrified.

Well he obviously didn't want people think he condone anything Dorner was doing so I can understand.

Didn't he realize that opening his mouth was risky...he's a target now.

noimageatall said:

Now there's 'confusion' about whether a body was even in the house??? geez...

Say what? Where did you hear that?

babynoz said:

noimageatall said:

Now there's 'confusion' about whether a body was even in the house??? geez...

Say what? Where did you hear that?

21 mins ago

http://latimesblogs.latim...found.html

There were conflicting reports about whether a body was located inside the burned-out cabin Tuesday night where Christopher Jordan Dorner was believed to have kept law enforcement authorities at bay.

Several sources told The Times and many other news organizations that a body was located in the rubble. But LAPD officials said that the cabin was still too hot to search and no body has been found.

[Edited 2/12/13 21:06pm]

This is sounding like a bad crime fiction movie now...

If it's true he wasn't in the cabin, then fuck him and the LAPD. All them attention whores. He's probably got like 100 million alter egos.

So they just burned down the fucking house not even certain if he was in there or not or WHO was??? Geez...for real a bad fiction movie.

CBS NEWS UPDATE:

Updated 11:49 PM ET

Law enforcement sources tell CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that they are confident that a body in a burned cabin in Big Bear, California is believed to be that of Christopher Dorner, the fired former LAPD officer who is suspected of earlier killing three people, and was also the subject of an intense manhunt.

According to those sources, their confidence was based on the facts that the man who stole the truck fit Dormer's description -- that the same individual was chased to the house, that he tossed a green smoke grenade at the officers from inside the house, and used a fifty caliber weapon to fire on them. Based on the fact that the house was surrounded and no one was seen fleeing, the totality of the facts police agencies were advised that they believed there was a body inside and that it was Dorner's.

However, despite earlier media reports, LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith announced at a Tuesday evening press conference that the cabin was too hot for anybody to make entry, and that there has been no body located inside the cabin. The spokesman added that the cabin has yet been searched because the fire is still too hot for anyone to go in there.

Smith also said that the LAPD will continue its high-profile protection detail of LAPD officers and their families identified as possible threats until there is confirmation that a body has been located and that it belongs to Dorner.

The cabin in which Dorner was believed to have barricaded himself in San Bernardino County, east of L.A, had been in flames, CBS Station KCAL Los Angeles reported. It followed an earlier shootout Tuesday afternoon that left one deputy killed and another wounded. That second deputy is undergoing surgery after being airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center.

Read more here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/body-believed-to-be-ex-l.a-cop-in-burned-cabin/

[Edited 2/12/13 21:24pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

CBS NEWS UPDATE:

Updated 11:49 PM ET

Law enforcement sources tell CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that they are confident that a body in a burned cabin in Big Bear, California is believed to be that of Christopher Dorner, the fired former LAPD officer who is suspected of earlier killing three people, and was also the subject of an intense manhunt.

According to those sources, their confidence was based on the facts that the man who stole the truck fit Dormer's description -- that the same individual was chased to the house, that he tossed a green smoke grenade at the officers from inside the house, and used a fifty caliber weapon to fire on them. Based on the fact that the house was surrounded and no one was seen fleeing, the totality of the facts police agencies were advised that they believed there was a body inside and that it was Dorner's.

However, despite earlier media reports, LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith announced at a Tuesday evening press conference that the cabin was too hot for anybody to make entry, and that there has been no body located inside the cabin. The spokesman added that the cabin has yet been searched because the fire is still too hot for anyone to go in there.

Smith also said that the LAPD will continue its high-profile protection detail of LAPD officers and their families identified as possible threats until there is confirmation that a body has been located and that it belongs to Dorner.

The cabin in which Dorner was believed to have barricaded himself in San Bernardino County, east of L.A, had been in flames, CBS Station KCAL Los Angeles reported. It followed an earlier shootout Tuesday afternoon that left one deputy killed and another wounded. That second deputy is undergoing surgery after being airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center.

Read more here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/body-believed-to-be-ex-l.a-cop-in-burned-cabin/

[Edited 2/12/13 21:24pm]

Some members of the LAPD are dumber than rocks...

noimageatall said:

I'd say this ex-cop Joe is terrified.

February 12, 2012

NaughtyKitty said:

noimageatall said:

I'd say this ex-cop Joe is terrified.

February 12, 2012

Jesus...

I just want this dumbass shit to be over with! It's gone past the point of anything. No point was proven. And the world still don't give a fuck so whatever...smh

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

CBS NEWS UPDATE:

Updated 11:49 PM ET

Law enforcement sources tell CBS News senior correspondent John Miller that they are confident that a body in a burned cabin in Big Bear, California is believed to be that of Christopher Dorner, the fired former LAPD officer who is suspected of earlier killing three people, and was also the subject of an intense manhunt.

According to those sources, their confidence was based on the facts that the man who stole the truck fit Dormer's description -- that the same individual was chased to the house, that he tossed a green smoke grenade at the officers from inside the house, and used a fifty caliber weapon to fire on them. Based on the fact that the house was surrounded and no one was seen fleeing, the totality of the facts police agencies were advised that they believed there was a body inside and that it was Dorner's.

However, despite earlier media reports, LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith announced at a Tuesday evening press conference that the cabin was too hot for anybody to make entry, and that there has been no body located inside the cabin. The spokesman added that the cabin has yet been searched because the fire is still too hot for anyone to go in there.

Smith also said that the LAPD will continue its high-profile protection detail of LAPD officers and their families identified as possible threats until there is confirmation that a body has been located and that it belongs to Dorner.

The cabin in which Dorner was believed to have barricaded himself in San Bernardino County, east of L.A, had been in flames, CBS Station KCAL Los Angeles reported. It followed an earlier shootout Tuesday afternoon that left one deputy killed and another wounded. That second deputy is undergoing surgery after being airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center.

Read more here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569072/body-believed-to-be-ex-l.a-cop-in-burned-cabin/

[Edited 2/12/13 21:24pm]

Some members of the LAPD are dumber than rocks...

So they're confident he was in the cabin but cant say with 100% certainty it was him at this point. Wouldnt it be a trip if it werent even him? And that he was still out on the loose?

Ex-LA Cop Brian Bentley on Dorner Manifesto: ‘Not Only do I Believe it, but I Lived it’

Ex-LAPD officer speaks out about the LAPD, racism, and Christopher Dorner

http://www.eurweb.com/201...-lived-it/

Brian Bentley, 49, doesn’t agree with what Christopher Dorner — the ex-cop at center of a massive manhunt for the killings of three people—has done, but he certainly understands it.

As a former LAPD officer, Bentley, who is now an author, says that a Dorner-like situation was just a matter of time.

“It took longer than I thought it would for something like this to happen.”

In fact, Bentley says that when he was a police officer, there were frequent positings of “look out” bulletins on the walls at police stations featuring officers who’d been terminated and who were believed to have vendettas.

“When the Department terminated you, they intentionally tried to ruin your life,” Bentley explains. “That’s how they discredited you. Dorner isn’t the first ex-police officer to have a manifesto or some sort of hit list.”

And he should know.

=====================

Brian Bentley left the LAPD in 1999 after serving ten years with the Department. He was a police officer in 1992 during the uprising and was assigned to guard O.J. Simpson’s house in Brentwood during the infamous trial. He served under police chiefs Daryl Gates, Bayan Lewis, Willie Williams, and Bernard Parks. However, he was fired for writing the book One Time: The Story of a South Central Los Angeles Police Officer that detailed the massive misconduct and racism he witnessed during his time at the LAPD’s Southwest and West L.A. divisions.

He says that when he left the Department he had a manifesto of his own. Not one that involved killing anyone, but a list of people who had wronged him during his time at the Department.

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Prior to joining the Department, Brian says that didn’t have any negative feelings about the LAPD.

“I signed up because I wanted to make a difference in my community—I wanted to change lives,” he says.

Young, eager to serve, and ready get involved, Brian says that he will never forget what he was told on his first day at the Los Angeles Police Academy.

“I was told that ‘we don’t want people like you here. We have people like you in Nickerson Gardens’.”

Brian continues, “It was horrible for me from day one. I had people pushing me to quit and resign. It was always a fight.”

================

He remembers trying to make a complaint to his captain about the racism he experienced and was told, ‘I’ve been on the job for 35 years, you don’t think I know there’s racism. Who do you want me to bring it to? The deputy chief or the chief are just as racist?’ and then proceeded to kick him out of his office.

When asked if he thought the Department had changed since he was a part of it, Brian said no.

Diversity training for officers not just in how to deal with the community that they serve but with the officers they work with is part of what’s needed he says.

“Even though officers today can file personnel complaints—look at what happens,” he says referring to Christopher Dorner. “There are clearly flaws in the system and Dorner is just one example of something that African-American officers have been experiencing for decades in the LAPD.”

Brian said that he’s still in close contact with friends who are LAPD officers and he says that he knows for a fact that it’s still a bad environment for African-American officers.

Sadly he recalls the experience of three of his fellow officers who also had similar manifesto’s to Christopher Dorner’s, two Black officers and one white female officer, who instead of acting on their manifesto committed suicide. Something that Brian says is common amongst officers who are terminated and believe the Department has wronged them.

When asked if he believed the claims made in the Dorner manifesto, Brian is very clear.

Not only do I believe it, but I lived it.”

After writing his book, Brian says that he was the subject of an investigation that was led by two officers profiled in his book that had been promoted to Sergeant and transferred to the Internal Affairs department.

Several interrogations later, including one that lasted 7 hours, Brian says that he was given a charge of misconduct for every incident of racism that he documented in his book that he didn’t report—thus giving him the most charges of misconduct in the history of the LAPD.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Some members of the LAPD are dumber than rocks...

So they're confident he was in the cabin but cant say with 100% certainty it was him at this point. Wouldnt it be a trip if it werent even him? And that he was still out on the loose?

Yeah but it wouldn't explain how he "escaped". That's why I was like " ".

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

So they're confident he was in the cabin but cant say with 100% certainty it was him at this point. Wouldnt it be a trip if it werent even him? And that he was still out on the loose?

Yeah but it wouldn't explain how he "escaped". That's why I was like " ".

Yeah, unless he was somehow able to literally go underground and hide out under the cabin. But I doubt that lol.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah but it wouldn't explain how he "escaped". That's why I was like " ".

Yeah, unless he was somehow able to literally go underground and hide out under the cabin. But I doubt that lol.

Yeah it's like the media's trying to fuck with us or something lol "we don't know"... yeah right lol

Timmy84 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Shorty, I've always liked and respected you but this post is the worst thing I've ever read on the org.

I almost wanted to say this to her but I stopped short. But yeah I don't understand this. Defending a lunatic that's not even standing up for what's right but only gaining his own attention to be the star of his crime and have the LAPD be his co-star. I'm also surprised that SOME folks have excused Dorner's own killings (people who claim to be liberals or libertarians). It's like "really?" I mean it's like some are agreeing with him to kill family members of those who "wronged him". It seems "all colors" rather than white are at fault for why Dorner got put out of the LAPD!

Timmy, you're right on in this thread.

Whatever happened to civil disobedience and righteous indignation and peaceful means? Nowadays, it's all "I'm angry, the world has done me wrong, and so I'm gonna shoot up people!" How is that exposing corruption or making positive change? - it's just narcissism, violence, self-pity, and more wrong-doing. Dorner declares he's a good guy, he used to smile a lot, he was trying to be truthful and good - how are we supposed to fully embrace his portrayal of himself as a person with high ideals, when we see him cold-blooded murdering INNOCENT people? When you murder, you are no longer in the right.

That's why MLK Jr. went the non-violent path instead of stooping to the wrong-doers level. THAT'S what garners sympathy, THAT'S how to get everyone on your side, and expose the corruption of those who persecute you. "An eye for an eye," and everyone goes blind. "Turn the other cheek" is not weakness, it's a powerful and radical stance of resistance and positive change (coined by a radical muck-racker himself).

Perhaps this Dorner had a mental breakdown. We hear of a lot of military veterans cracking and having mental health issues that aren't being addressed.

One more thing, it bothers me that he specifically targeted the daughter of the man who defended him in his disciplinary hearing. The daughter is, of course, completely innocent in whatever Dorner's problems were. Her fiance too (who was black, btw).

But I suspect the man Quan himself probably didn't deserve Dorner's wrath to begin with. I don't know the details, and I don't know defenders in the police department, but I know Public Defenders at the state and federal, and they don't take on defense careers because they really want to be prosecutors! They don't collude with prosecutors and try to put their clients away! They became defense attorneys because - surprise! - they really believe that everyone deserves a vigorous defense and a fair chance at justice. Really. There's a few who ended up in defense at the lower levels because they couldn't get other legal jobs, and they are lousy. But there are lousy people in every profession. For the most part, they believe in what they do, and they are sympathetic, liberal people.

I considered defense as a career for a nano-second, but then people told me not to because defense attorneys get attacked by their own clients a lot! Just like Dorner, they think their defender didn't really defend them and colluded with the prosecutor/judge or "the system" and they get angry and attack their own defender! So, knowing this, it made me sad to hear he targeted his defender and made me suspect that Dorner misunderstood Quan's job. From my perspective, it's highly likely Quan did his job as he was supposed to do.

It's like another poster said - the poster said sometimes he fires people and does it in the most considerate way possible, but you never know how crazily someone might react. It's possible Quan was doing his job the best way he knew how, but Dorner just went nutso. We don't know the whole story, but that's my suspicion.

It's just sad.