^ I don't buy that you're born into anything. And who wants to claim they were born to have an attraction to kids? That's not natural I don't care what they claim is in the Bible, it's not natural.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I read that pedophiles do not directly translate into child molestors but rather they're born that way and need extensive counselling to be proper members of society.

Sounds like something written by a convicted child molester, looking to get out of a long term prison sentence (...or someone who has fallen under the sociopathic spell of one). Certainly doesn't sound like something written by anyone that's had any amount of long-term experience working with pedophiles.

Just my opinion, of course. Can you source where this was written, or who wrote it?

SUPRMAN said:

Shorty said:

my brother is a maximum security prison gaurd. (a super max actually) it is a very strict environment but they are dealing with extremely experienced criminals who are also extremely experienced inmates....they know the weak spots, they know how to get things done....and they WILL get to this sandusky, mark my words.

IF that happens, someoone in the prison administration should be held accountable and likewise imprisoned.

That's bullshit! there are so many measures in place to protect the inmates that the guards most times are in danger. The inmates have TONS of protection in the law, where as the guards have next to none. When you're sentanced to life, you have nothing to loose, nothing will stop some of them from doing whatever it is they want to do. The gaurds do the best they can to just maintain controll of a very volitile environment.

SUPRMAN said:

aardvark15 said:

Just be lucky there not crammed together in one room with no bathroom and end up having to poop and piss on the floor of the packed cell. It's disgusting but the truth is that's the way it is in some countries. Compared to several other countries, the U.S prisions have it made.

Sandusky isn't facing time in a foreign prison.

To suggest being beaten, abused and raped is relative is a non-starter.

Violating the law in the U.S. in regard to prisoner care is illegal and should result in more prosecution until it stops being a damn fucking joke.

wait...are we talking about gaurds abusing inmates or inmates abusing inmates? I only know the prison my brother works at is extremely strict on what the guards can and can not do, perhaps it's different in other states/prisons. To me it's stict to a fualt, because as I said before, the gaurds are in constant danger and many times under heavy harassment to which they can do NOTHING about.

Shorty said:

SUPRMAN said:

IF that happens, someoone in the prison administration should be held accountable and likewise imprisoned.

That's bullshit!

Shorty said:

SUPRMAN said:

IF that happens, someoone in the prison administration should be held accountable and likewise imprisoned.

That's bullshit! there are so many measures in place to protect the inmates that the guards most times are in danger. The inmates have TONS of protection in the law, where as the guards have next to none. When you're sentanced to life, you have nothing to loose, nothing will stop some of them from doing whatever it is they want to do. The gaurds do the best they can to just maintain controll of a very volitile environment.

So only those sentence to life are rapists and abusers in prison?

The prison has accepted responsibility for these people called inmates. They should take their job seriously.

The prison is failing to do their job if inmates are being assaulted.

Guards have next to no protection?!! Because they suck up so much money in salaries.

Shorty said:

SUPRMAN said:

Sandusky isn't facing time in a foreign prison.

To suggest being beaten, abused and raped is relative is a non-starter.

Violating the law in the U.S. in regard to prisoner care is illegal and should result in more prosecution until it stops being a damn fucking joke.

wait...are we talking about gaurds abusing inmates or inmates abusing inmates? I only know the prison my brother works at is extremely strict on what the guards can and can not do, perhaps it's different in other states/prisons. To me it's stict to a fualt, because as I said before, the gaurds are in constant danger and many times under heavy harassment to which they can do NOTHING about.

Talking about both. The guards are under constant danger from inmates locked up?

Constant verbal assault which I'm sure the guards give right back.

Never heard of a guard beating a prisoner for something the prisoner said . . . ..

Well I don't know, it's happening yes, but it's not that simple. It's almost a war zone in some prisons. Not all prisons are like that though.

SUPRMAN said:

Shorty said:

That's bullshit! there are so many measures in place to protect the inmates that the guards most times are in danger. The inmates have TONS of protection in the law, where as the guards have next to none. When you're sentanced to life, you have nothing to loose, nothing will stop some of them from doing whatever it is they want to do. The gaurds do the best they can to just maintain controll of a very volitile environment.

So only those sentence to life are rapists and abusers in prison?

The prison has accepted responsibility for these people called inmates. They should take their job seriously.

The prison is failing to do their job if inmates are being assaulted.

Guards have next to no protection?!! Because they suck up so much money in salaries.

no...only those sentenced to life have nothing to lose is what I said. and nothing will stop some of them. Ha...they DO take their job VERY seriously! their own life depends on that.

you are speaking outta yer ass! I'm talking about protection from the law! inmates can file complaint after complaint and file suit against guards. Gaurds can not. Inmates can throw shit or piss on guards everyday and the gaurds can do nothing about it...not even force the inmates to take an AIDS test to see if the guard has that to worry about...NO! the gaurd has to go be tested for 6 months to make sure he/she is not infected with anything. wtf? Prison guards make pretty good money...but they should, they have a very dangerous job! But they don't make THAT much money where your stupid ass coment is warrented.

SUPRMAN said:

Shorty said:

wait...are we talking about gaurds abusing inmates or inmates abusing inmates? I only know the prison my brother works at is extremely strict on what the guards can and can not do, perhaps it's different in other states/prisons. To me it's stict to a fualt, because as I said before, the gaurds are in constant danger and many times under heavy harassment to which they can do NOTHING about.

Talking about both. The guards are under constant danger from inmates locked up?

Constant verbal assault which I'm sure the guards give right back.

Never heard of a guard beating a prisoner for something the prisoner said . . . ..

you're clueless!

If he gets killed in prison, he gets killed. I aint got no sympathy for him. Either way he gonna get what he deserves. That's all I gotta say about that.

I had a friend that used to work in a mental institution for the criminally insane. This section of the prison was set up so that these prisoners were not among the general population, and could receive mental health treatment as needed. The regular prison was right next door and they were connected by an underground tunnel.

My friend was an older lady, in her 60s. One of the prisoners tried to rape my friend. When one of the prisoners act out in such a manner, they transport them to the regular prison through the underground tunnel. Once they arrived at the regular prison with this prisoner, he was bruised up and bloodied. Two prison guards had transported him. They stated the prisoner had a problem with his "depth perception" and "kept running in the walls". Everyone knew that was a lie, but no one did anything to prison guards.

I have another friend that is a prison guard at that regular prison, and he gets as good as he gets from the prisoners. They throw piss or anything else on the guards, that prisoner "will be paid back" for it by the guards. This friend is an ex-marine, and he can handle himself, but he is also someone that will not take anything from anyone.

So SUPRMAN is right as for what goes on in prisons. And no it's not right that these prisoners are being treated in such a manner. A part of the reason they are in prison is because they have been sentenced for their crime and the time they are serving is to act as the punishment for that crime. When you have prison guards who act in ways that are criminal as well, then these prisoners are being punished above and beyond what the law has called for.

prittypriss said:

I had a friend that used to work in a mental institution for the criminally insane. This section of the prison was set up so that these prisoners were not among the general population, and could receive mental health treatment as needed. The regular prison was right next door and they were connected by an underground tunnel.

My friend was an older lady, in her 60s. One of the prisoners tried to rape my friend. When one of the prisoners act out in such a manner, they transport them to the regular prison through the underground tunnel. Once they arrived at the regular prison with this prisoner, he was bruised up and bloodied. Two prison guards had transported him. They stated the prisoner had a problem with his "depth perception" and "kept running in the walls". Everyone knew that was a lie, but no one did anything to prison guards.

I have another friend that is a prison guard at that regular prison, and he gets as good as he gets from the prisoners. They throw piss or anything else on the guards, that prisoner "will be paid back" for it by the guards. This friend is an ex-marine, and he can handle himself, but he is also someone that will not take anything from anyone.

So SUPRMAN is right as for what goes on in prisons. And no it's not right that these prisoners are being treated in such a manner. A part of the reason they are in prison is because they have been sentenced for their crime and the time they are serving is to act as the punishment for that crime. When you have prison guards who act in ways that are criminal as well, then these prisoners are being punished above and beyond what the law has called for.

sounds to me like you heard one or 2 stories and have drawn your conclusion.

If a prisoner can throw piss or shit on a guard and the gaurd has not official or legal recourse...is there any wonder why other shit might go down for it?

yes, there are asshole gaurds, there is no question but I feel the majority of them are NOT, and yet are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

AND what about your friend who was nearly raped...you act like, oh well. if that prisoner got a few whacks for attempting to rape an old lady...he should consider himself LUCKY! that's what I mean, people are more concerned for the criminal than the innocent sometimes!

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[Edited 6/26/12 10:02am]

Shorty said:

prittypriss said:

I had a friend that used to work in a mental institution for the criminally insane. This section of the prison was set up so that these prisoners were not among the general population, and could receive mental health treatment as needed. The regular prison was right next door and they were connected by an underground tunnel.

My friend was an older lady, in her 60s. One of the prisoners tried to rape my friend. When one of the prisoners act out in such a manner, they transport them to the regular prison through the underground tunnel. Once they arrived at the regular prison with this prisoner, he was bruised up and bloodied. Two prison guards had transported him. They stated the prisoner had a problem with his "depth perception" and "kept running in the walls". Everyone knew that was a lie, but no one did anything to prison guards.

I have another friend that is a prison guard at that regular prison, and he gets as good as he gets from the prisoners. They throw piss or anything else on the guards, that prisoner "will be paid back" for it by the guards. This friend is an ex-marine, and he can handle himself, but he is also someone that will not take anything from anyone.

So SUPRMAN is right as for what goes on in prisons. And no it's not right that these prisoners are being treated in such a manner. A part of the reason they are in prison is because they have been sentenced for their crime and the time they are serving is to act as the punishment for that crime. When you have prison guards who act in ways that are criminal as well, then these prisoners are being punished above and beyond what the law has called for.

sounds to me like you heard one or 2 stories and have drawn your conclusion.

If a prisoner can throw piss or shit on a guard and the gaurd has not official or legal recourse...is there any wonder why other shit might go down for it?

yes, there are asshole gaurds, there is no question but I feel the majority of them are NOT, and yet are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

No, it's not one or two stories. I used to work at the state hospital that was next door to the prison. The state employees "stuck together", and there was cross-training between the prison and the state hospital. There were quite a few stories of what regularly goes on there. As I said, the current prison guard (ex-marine) is a friend and he talks extensively about what goes on in the prison. The older female friend also would talk extensively about work. It was normal for us, as state employees, to discuss issues we came across in order to cope with the issues we faced and to offer support to one another. Trust me when I say, there are numerous, numerous stories, that I've been told. (And even working in the state hospital, I witnessed a few incidents on the NGRI ward.)

Anyways, whatever happens to Jerry, good for his ass...

Shorty said:

SUPRMAN said:

Talking about both. The guards are under constant danger from inmates locked up?

Constant verbal assault which I'm sure the guards give right back.

Never heard of a guard beating a prisoner for something the prisoner said . . . ..

you're clueless!

Please . . . .

Shorty said:

SUPRMAN said:

So only those sentence to life are rapists and abusers in prison?

The prison has accepted responsibility for these people called inmates. They should take their job seriously.

The prison is failing to do their job if inmates are being assaulted.

Guards have next to no protection?!! Because they suck up so much money in salaries.

no...only those sentenced to life have nothing to lose is what I said. and nothing will stop some of them. Ha...they DO take their job VERY seriously! their own life depends on that.

you are speaking outta yer ass! I'm talking about protection from the law! inmates can file complaint after complaint and file suit against guards. Gaurds can not. Inmates can throw shit or piss on guards everyday and the gaurds can do nothing about it...not even force the inmates to take an AIDS test to see if the guard has that to worry about...NO! the gaurd has to go be tested for 6 months to make sure he/she is not infected with anything. wtf? Prison guards make pretty good money...but they should, they have a very dangerous job! But they don't make THAT much money where your stupid ass coment is warrented.

Guards need protection from the law?

Who protects the inmates? Isn't that the guards' job?

Poor guards. People complain about them misbehaving.

I'm so sure guards do beat, assault, rape, abuse and/or allow it to happen to prisoners.

Those are just guard hating prisoners who say such things right?

Guards are human beings, just like the inmates. Guards don't have halos.

Guards make damn good money. Fuck schools pay prison guards . . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

TonyVanDam said:

Oh hell yeah. Jerry Sandusky should have been given the death penalty without parole for the damage he has done to those poor victims.

What are you talking about? He won't be sentenced until September.

THAT is beside the point. My opinion still stands.

Jerry Sandusky must die. THIS is the only point that matters to me. And the very fact that he would have to wait 3 more f***ing months for any kind of sentence just so to show you that the American justice system is still a joke. Why wait 3 more months?!? Lets punish the sick son of the bitch this week already.

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People always gotta make shit psuedo political here. GIVE JERRY THE CHAIR!

Shorty said:

prittypriss said:

I had a friend that used to work in a mental institution for the criminally insane. This section of the prison was set up so that these prisoners were not among the general population, and could receive mental health treatment as needed. The regular prison was right next door and they were connected by an underground tunnel.

My friend was an older lady, in her 60s. One of the prisoners tried to rape my friend. When one of the prisoners act out in such a manner, they transport them to the regular prison through the underground tunnel. Once they arrived at the regular prison with this prisoner, he was bruised up and bloodied. Two prison guards had transported him. They stated the prisoner had a problem with his "depth perception" and "kept running in the walls". Everyone knew that was a lie, but no one did anything to prison guards.

I have another friend that is a prison guard at that regular prison, and he gets as good as he gets from the prisoners. They throw piss or anything else on the guards, that prisoner "will be paid back" for it by the guards. This friend is an ex-marine, and he can handle himself, but he is also someone that will not take anything from anyone.

So SUPRMAN is right as for what goes on in prisons. And no it's not right that these prisoners are being treated in such a manner. A part of the reason they are in prison is because they have been sentenced for their crime and the time they are serving is to act as the punishment for that crime. When you have prison guards who act in ways that are criminal as well, then these prisoners are being punished above and beyond what the law has called for.

sounds to me like you heard one or 2 stories and have drawn your conclusion.

If a prisoner can throw piss or shit on a guard and the gaurd has not official or legal recourse...is there any wonder why other shit might go down for it?

yes, there are asshole gaurds, there is no question but I feel the majority of them are NOT, and yet are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

AND what about your friend who was nearly raped...you act like, oh well. if that prisoner got a few whacks for attempting to rape an old lady...he should consider himself LUCKY! that's what I mean, people are more concerned for the criminal than the innocent sometimes!

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[Edited 6/26/12 10:02am]

So guards can't write up prisoners? So how does a prisoner get time added to their sentence for assaulting a guard?

I don't believe guards have no policy for reporting inmates. That door should be swinging both ways.

Let's see how you feel if you or a love one were sent to prison. Let the guards do as they please. After all, they need protecting from you, right?

TonyVanDam said:

SUPRMAN said:

What are you talking about? He won't be sentenced until September.

THAT is beside the point. My opinion still stands.

Jerry Sandusky must die. THIS is the only point that matters to me. And the very fact that he would have to wait 3 more f***ing months for any kind of sentence just so to show you that the American justice system is still a joke. Why wait 3 more months?!? Lets punish the sick son of the bitch this week already.

[Edited 6/26/12 14:12pm]

When God is ready for him to die, he'll die.

For all of the talk about Jerry Sandusky and hwy he should sent to SuperMax, put to death, etc., his whole trial was the easy resolution of this entire sordid scandal at Penn State. It's one thing for a pedophile to prey on young unsuspecting children to satisfy his sexual desires; it's another thing for people who know what's going on to turn away from it as though nothing is happening.

Think about this for a second. Jerry Sandusky was the long-time defensive coordinator for Joe Paterno when he coaching at Penn State. During that time, Joe Paterno won two national championships, a couple of Big Ten titles, and numerous BCS-type bowl appearances. Sandusky was rumored to be Patreno's heir apparent as head coach of Penn State before he suddenly "retired" in 1999 for "personal reasons". Even so, defensive coordinators who come from national championship programs and conference champions are usually very heavily recruited by other colleges in the NCAA to take over head coaching positions. (For example, three of Nick Saban's assistants from this past season's national championship team at Alabama all landed head coaching jobs at other colleges.) Knowing Jerry Sandusky's coaching history at Penn State, with him coaching conference championship and national championship teams and sending an inordinate amount of players into the NFL who became All Pro and Hall of Fame players, you would think other schools would be beating down the doors of Penn State to recruit him as head coach. But how many schools actually inquired about his services as head coach after his retirement?

Two.

And of those two schools, one was a small Division II college, and the other was a rinky-dink school in the Mid-American Conference.

Considering there was such a lack of interest in Jerry Sandusky's services as head coach, somebody somewhere must have known or suspected something unnerving about his character as far back as the 1990's. And word was apparently spreading beyond Penn State's campus. So the question is, who knew what was going on with Sandusky, and why did they not do something at that time to deal with him?

I think the most scandalous stuff is going to come out during the perjury and obstruction of justice trials of the Penn State athletic director and Vice President. This is where we'll see how far the Penn State administration betrayed their students and their community by allowing Sandusky to keep doing all of the vile acts he did while turning a blind eye.

BTW, I don't absolve Joe Paterno in this whole affair either. It was his program, and any actions by assistants would ultimately reflect on him. Now he's obviously no longer around to defend himself, but I find it hard to believe he wasn't aware of something going on with his assistant coaches prior to 2002, because Sandusky abruptly resigned in 1999 after being seen abusing kids by some school janitors. Now maybe Paterno fired Sandusky at that time, but he should have gone to the AD, the University Board of Trustees, and the University President with this information in 1999 before they just let Sandusky have an oiffice on campus and access to the school sports facilities. Then again, maybe those same adminsitration officials are the ones currently under investgation for covering up Sandusky's acts.

State prisons are one of the most tense places on Earth, 24/7. It's dangerous for the guards and the inmates, 24/7. Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to do some reading, or talking to people who have been there. Your back is never safe. Never! Yes, some guards are dirty, but not all of them. Yes, some prisoners don't give a fuck, but not all them. Regardless, there is a chance for danger and/or violence, 24/7.

Cerebus said:

State prisons are one of the most tense places on Earth, 24/7. It's dangerous for the guards and the inmates, 24/7. Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to do some reading, or talking to people who have been there. Your back is never safe. Never! Yes, some guards are dirty, but not all of them. Yes, some prisoners don't give a fuck, but not all them. Regardless, there is a chance for danger and/or violence, 24/7.

You said what I was trying to say earlier...

Also, of COURSE it's dangerous FOR the guards. Prison guards get killed someplace in the US every year.

It's just tension that regular people, living their everyday lives can't even begin to understand. It's a completely different world.

I'm not sure how many people have every really known somebody who just doesn't give a fuck, but I have. I'm talkin' about people who will do violence that leaves another person permanently injured, or dead, and not feel bad about it. People who will do crimes simply because they've got nothing to do this afternoon. A portion of the population at all state prisons is THOSE people. Another portion of the population is people who will do whatever they can, or whatever it takes, to protect themselves. If you don't fall into one of those two categories you're going to become a victim sooner or later.

Yeah it's not as lopsided as it may seem... it's a dog-eat-dog world there no matter whose side you're on.

Timmy84 said:

Cerebus said:

State prisons are one of the most tense places on Earth, 24/7. It's dangerous for the guards and the inmates, 24/7. Anybody who thinks otherwise needs to do some reading, or talking to people who have been there. Your back is never safe. Never! Yes, some guards are dirty, but not all of them. Yes, some prisoners don't give a fuck, but not all them. Regardless, there is a chance for danger and/or violence, 24/7.

You said what I was trying to say earlier...

I think we were getting a bit of track. Prisons aren't supposed to be a happy place. By their very nature, being filled with CRIMINALS, they are tense and dangerous beyond the understanding of a normal, "regular" citizen. That's what they're for; to protect the "normal, regular citizen" from living with criminals.

Now, back to what actually started this conversation thread, does Sandusky deserve to be there? Hell yes! Does he deserve to be raped or killed? Personally, I say no. I think his punishment should be having to sit and think about what got him there for the rest of his natural life. If he's constantly watching his back, that's NOT what he'll be thinking about. Do I think it's likely he'll be raped, beaten or killed if he ends up in general population (which I read is actually very likely until he turns 79)? Yes. I think it's pretty much guaranteed.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's not as lopsided as it may seem... it's a dog-eat-dog world there no matter whose side you're on.

Every major US gang and crime family has existed and/or been run from INSIDE state prisons. Shit is real, REAL serious.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's not as lopsided as it may seem... it's a dog-eat-dog world there no matter whose side you're on.

Every major US gang and crime family has existed and/or been run from INSIDE state prisons. Shit is real, REAL serious.

I learned that watching prison films as a kid.

Cerebus said:

Also, of COURSE it's dangerous FOR the guards. Prison guards get killed someplace in the US every year.

It's just tension that regular people, living their everyday lives can't even begin to understand. It's a completely different world.

I'm not sure how many people have every really known somebody who just doesn't give a fuck, but I have. I'm talkin' about people who will do violence that leaves another person permanently injured, or dead, and not feel bad about it. People who will do crimes simply because they've got nothing to do this afternoon. A portion of the population at all state prisons is THOSE people. Another portion of the population is people who will do whatever they can, or whatever it takes, to protect themselves. If you don't fall into one of those two categories you're going to become a victim sooner or later.

OMG, you do the exact same kind of typo I do!!

I often mix ever and every up even though I NEVER do so in speach.