This is in way a diss to vegans, i respect whatever people decide to eat. Well for the most part i don't think people should eat Burger kIng everyday but who am i to say that?

I have many friend's especially with this being Westwood & near LA people have this sense they have to look ''gorgeous'' Because idk it is just a thing here to have to look hot.

And many people try to force themselves to be ''vegan'' so they can be ''healthy''

And they do it & they hate it.. they bitch about it all the time & i'm like well shut the fuck up and eat some meat than

A Lot of people i know do this not cause of a need or love of animals but because society will say it's ''healthier'' , and they will suffer pretending they like eating the vegan food but many hate it. Now if you love eating vegan food more power to you! but if you are just forcing yourself to try to like it so you can show people you are healthy? no.... that is going to make you way unhappy.

There are tons of way's to eat healthy without being vegan... this is till newish to me. Cause where i'm from in TX there are almost no vegans we love our meat.

I think in all honesty veganism isn't a diet.

It's the easiest thing in the world if you're an animal lover, because no matter how good something taste it will not make you go against your beliefs.

In other words there's no other reason to be vegan other than how you feel about suffering. If you don't care about suffering yet are still denying yourself then that's just counter-productive.

Personally, for me, i've always liked veggies. I hate the heavyness of beef and pork. I am not a vegan, i've been aa vegetarian for 5 years, recently, in last two years . i've been experimenting with pescatarian, raw veganism, vegetarianism. to quote Nadia G from Bitchin Kitchen, "I am a 80 percent vegetarian" I think people feel guilty in eating animals, maybe, i dont know.

Well, you sort of answered your own question, didn't you?

Dave1992 said:

Well, you sort of answered your own question, didn't you?

yeah but i still wanted input from others maybe from a vegan stance.

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Because they saw March Of The Penguins

Gunsnhalen said:

Dave1992 said:

Well, you sort of answered your own question, didn't you?

yeah but i still wanted input from others maybe from a vegan stance.

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None of the vegans I know (and I know many) do it because "society tells them it makes them look better". To them, it's not just a diet, it's a lifestyle. It represents the best way to live hand in hand with nature and not exploit it. While it is not a point of view I personally share, I still find it very understandable and plausible.

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tinaz said:

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Not only will they tell you - they'll go on to let you know they think you're a murderer for eating meat.

B-12 deficiency is a bitch.

Genesia said:

tinaz said:

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Not only will they tell you - they'll go on to let you know they think you're a murderer for eating meat.

B-12 deficiency is a bitch.

I have never felt so 'fresh' as I did when I was a raw vegan.

Here's the way I look at it--food is all delicious depending on how you prepare it.

I mean, chicken is discusting until you cook it.

Same with vegan food. You simply have ot know how to prepare your food.

Being a raw vegan was not hard. It was expensive, but not difficult.

I've never had a milk shake nearly as delicious as my raw vegan shakes--it's

simply knowing how to prepare them.

Dave1992 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

yeah but i still wanted input from others maybe from a vegan stance.

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None of the vegans I know (and I know many) do it because "society tells them it makes them look better". To them, it's not just a diet, it's a lifestyle. It represents the best way to live hand in hand with nature and not exploit it. While it is not a point of view I personally share, I still find it very understandable and plausible.

And this sums it up for me.

I'm a vegetarian so not fully vegan, but I try to limit the animal products I consume considerably. For me it's mainly an ethical decision based on all kinds of factors (factory farming practices, limiting suffering, environmental reasons) but I also believe it is a health choice as well.

I don't poo-poo other people's choices, however. I don't expect everyone to have the same ethical beliefs I do and I'm fine with that. My boyfriend eats meat and it doesn't bother me.

I think veganism for some can be a fad diet and that's what you're likely talking about. If they're trying it out to lose weight or simply "appear" to be healthy it's just another quick fix diet that won't stick.

CarrieMpls said:

Dave1992 said:

None of the vegans I know (and I know many) do it because "society tells them it makes them look better". To them, it's not just a diet, it's a lifestyle. It represents the best way to live hand in hand with nature and not exploit it. While it is not a point of view I personally share, I still find it very understandable and plausible.

And this sums it up for me.

I'm a vegetarian so not fully vegan, but I try to limit the animal products I consume considerably. For me it's mainly an ethical decision based on all kinds of factors (factory farming practices, limiting suffering, environmental reasons) but I also believe it is a health choice as well.

I don't poo-poo other people's choices, however. I don't expect everyone to have the same ethical beliefs I do and I'm fine with that. My boyfriend eats meat and it doesn't bother me.

I think veganism for some can be a fad diet and that's what you're likely talking about. If they're trying it out to lose weight or simply "appear" to be healthy it's just another quick fix diet that won't stick.

Agree totally; it's the absolute same for me. I'm a vegetarian (and have been for 10 years) and try to limit animal products to what I feel my body simply can't do without.

I've never been someone to try to make other people eat less meet either. To each their own.

It's true that vegetarianism (and lately also veganism) also has some kind of "popular value", especially in youth culture. However, changing your eating habits for image reasons, without knowing what exactly you're doing, can be very, very dangerous. Needless to say, it's stupid too.

Gunsnhalen said:

This is in way a diss to vegans, i respect whatever people decide to eat. Well for the most part i don't think people should eat Burger kIng everyday but who am i to say that?

I have many friend's especially with this being Westwood & near LA people have this sense they have to look ''gorgeous'' Because idk it is just a thing here to have to look hot.

And many people try to force themselves to be ''vegan'' so they can be ''healthy''

And they do it & they hate it.. they bitch about it all the time & i'm like well shut the fuck up and eat some meat than

A Lot of people i know do this not cause of a need or love of animals but because society will say it's ''healthier'' , and they will suffer pretending they like eating the vegan food but many hate it. Now if you love eating vegan food more power to you! but if you are just forcing yourself to try to like it so you can show people you are healthy? no.... that is going to make you way unhappy.

There are tons of way's to eat healthy without being vegan... this is till newish to me. Cause where i'm from in TX there are almost no vegans we love our meat.

I've never met somebody like that and I actually don't believe it. You can't hold on to something for a long time when you really hate it.

The vegans or vegetarians I've known did it for health reason. They believe it's a heathlier lifestyle, period. They may have a thing about it being cruel to animals but that seems secondary. I finally went to that vegan fast food place, the "burgers" were delicious, but I'm still an omnivore.

morningsong said:

The vegans or vegetarians I've known did it for health reason. They believe it's a heathlier lifestyle, period. They may have a thing about it being cruel to animals but that seems secondary. I finally went to that vegan fast food place, the "burgers" were delicious, but I'm still an omnivore.

They believe it's healthier because that is the line that has been peddled (via a very large megaphone) by people who don't want you to eat meat for ethical reasons. They realize that trying to get people to give up the meat they love (and which is actually good for them in reasonable amounts) by saying they're being mean to animals is a non-starter. So instead, they trump up some specious "health benefits." Because even if you don't want to save the animals, surely you want to save yourself. Right?

Genesia said:

morningsong said:

The vegans or vegetarians I've known did it for health reason. They believe it's a heathlier lifestyle, period. They may have a thing about it being cruel to animals but that seems secondary. I finally went to that vegan fast food place, the "burgers" were delicious, but I'm still an omnivore.

They believe it's healthier because that is the line that has been peddled (via a very large megaphone) by people who don't want you to eat meat for ethical reasons. They realize that trying to get people to give up the meat they love (and which is actually good for them in reasonable amounts) by saying they're being mean to animals is a non-starter. So instead, they trump up some specious "health benefits." Because even if you don't want to save the animals, surely you want to save yourself. Right?

I'm just going by what they say, they talk about their health and how good it makes them feel physically. I never really delved that far into it beyond that. They don't seem to talk about it as far as how cruel it is to animals, and most seem to like leather and stuff.

Some people think it is healthier. I could not be a Vegan. I know some people who are. To each his own.

I'll go vegan as soon as they allow me to eat meat.

Genesia said:

morningsong said:

The vegans or vegetarians I've known did it for health reason. They believe it's a heathlier lifestyle, period. They may have a thing about it being cruel to animals but that seems secondary. I finally went to that vegan fast food place, the "burgers" were delicious, but I'm still an omnivore.

They believe it's healthier because that is the line that has been peddled (via a very large megaphone) by people who don't want you to eat meat for ethical reasons. They realize that trying to get people to give up the meat they love (and which is actually good for them in reasonable amounts) by saying they're being mean to animals is a non-starter. So instead, they trump up some specious "health benefits." Because even if you don't want to save the animals, surely you want to save yourself. Right?

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, they wouldn't taste so good. Hell, even vegetables ain't no good if there's no bacon grease in them.

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Well it sucks for them considering it can be very unhealthy.

vainandy said:

Genesia said:

They believe it's healthier because that is the line that has been peddled (via a very large megaphone) by people who don't want you to eat meat for ethical reasons. They realize that trying to get people to give up the meat they love (and which is actually good for them in reasonable amounts) by saying they're being mean to animals is a non-starter. So instead, they trump up some specious "health benefits." Because even if you don't want to save the animals, surely you want to save yourself. Right?

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, they wouldn't taste so good. Hell, even vegetables ain't no good if there's no bacon grease in them.

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ManlyMoose said:

Well it sucks for them considering it can be very unhealthy.

Anything (especially any diet) can be very unhealthy. A balanced diet (with as little "extremes" as possible) is probably the safest way to go, but, also depending on one's body, even a vegan lifestyle can be healthy. Like I said, though, it's not for everyone and it's certainly not for those who don't know what they're doing.

And it also requires that you prepare your own food. If you prepare your own food it can be totally healthy because you are adding what you need to your meals for a balanced diet.

But if you decide to go vegan and eat nothing but twinkies or canned vegetables then yeah you're in trouble. It ain't a lifestyle for the lazy.

I don't eat birds

I don't eat cows

but damn, I still eat pigs, sorry boys, you're just TOO good...

and I still eat sea food (just amazing)

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Dave1992 said:

ManlyMoose said:

Well it sucks for them considering it can be very unhealthy.

Anything (especially any diet) can be very unhealthy. A balanced diet (with as little "extremes" as possible) is probably the safest way to go, but, also depending on one's body, even a vegan lifestyle can be healthy. Like I said, though, it's not for everyone and it's certainly not for those who don't know what they're doing.

This! Dave hit it on the head perfectly.

That is probably the biggets problem with people i know who are ''new vegans'' They just eat salads everyday... i mean i'm not vegan. Yet i know there's tons of vegan food's, hell in LA there are dozens of vegan food places.

CynicKill said:

And it also requires that you prepare your own food. If you prepare your own food it can be totally healthy because you are adding what you need to your meals for a balanced diet.

But if you decide to go vegan and eat nothing but twinkies or canned vegetables then yeah you're in trouble. It ain't a lifestyle for the lazy.

Actually...eating healthy, in general, requires that you prepare your own food. I've eaten a predominantly whole foods, low carbohydrate, high protein diet for over 15 years. I've only been able to keep at it that long because I carry my own homemade breakfast and lunch to work every day - and make my own dinner, too.

If I don't prepare, I eat junk - just like anybody else. I try very hard to avoid that.

Genesia said:

CynicKill said:

And it also requires that you prepare your own food. If you prepare your own food it can be totally healthy because you are adding what you need to your meals for a balanced diet.

But if you decide to go vegan and eat nothing but twinkies or canned vegetables then yeah you're in trouble. It ain't a lifestyle for the lazy.

Actually...eating healthy, in general, requires that you prepare your own food. I've eaten a predominantly whole foods, low carbohydrate, high protein diet for over 15 years. I've only been able to keep at it that long because I carry my own homemade breakfast and lunch to work every day - and make my own dinner, too.

If I don't prepare, I eat junk - just like anybody else. I try very hard to avoid that.

My work cafeteria is a godsend. Freshly prepared foods, lots of choices and most of it's pretty darn healthy and quite palatable.

They also do "healthy choice" options every day for only 3.99 AND you get a punch card and when you buy 6, you get the 7th free. It's to encourage us. lol.

The only processed food I consume from them are probably the tortillas (I do a lot of veggie wraps) and any bread, although, get this - they don't even stock "white" bread or buns anymore. It's all whole wheat or other fun grains.

vainandy said:

Genesia said:

They believe it's healthier because that is the line that has been peddled (via a very large megaphone) by people who don't want you to eat meat for ethical reasons. They realize that trying to get people to give up the meat they love (and which is actually good for them in reasonable amounts) by saying they're being mean to animals is a non-starter. So instead, they trump up some specious "health benefits." Because even if you don't want to save the animals, surely you want to save yourself. Right?

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, they wouldn't taste so good. Hell, even vegetables ain't no good if there's no bacon grease in them.

John Cleese said "if God didn't want us to eat them, why did he make them of meat?"

Some folks probably think it's "cool" to hate meat just because.

It makes real vegans look bad because you don't see folks talking shit 100% about how bad meat is, they just say it's not for them and eat their own stuff.