OMG I'm so sick of hearing about this guy I could scream.

Especially around here, everyone and thier grandmother went to PSU. They're worshiping him like he is some sort of saint. ugh.

Hope his family geths through all this peacefully though.

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

It's Joe Pa.

"[A] prominent role in?" I think that title goes to Sandusky.

Joe Pa was a peripheral figure.

He was wrong to put the perceived well being of the school over a child by not following up on his only report of what he was told.

Until this year I'm sure he felt he'd made the right decision as it had not come back to haunt him or hurt the school, until it did.

Terrib3Towel said:

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

God may be more forgiving.

lazycrockett said:

I was reading that the students were all in route to his statue for mass mourning when they heard the news. The more I hear bout Penn State the more it comes off as a weird ass cult.

Most Division I schools are like that.

Identity said:

Too bad he didn't live long enough to face all the rape victims in court. He was complicit in allowing a sexual predator to continue abusing young boys. Rot in hell, Joe.

[Edited 1/22/12 15:55pm]

Why would he have to face the victims in court?

He wasn't charged with anything nor would he be.

JerseyKRS said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Would either of you be saying this if Paterno was the actual molestor/rapist? Or, would you say this if Jerry Sandusky is proven to be guilty, and then he suddenly died?

or if it were your children that were raped?

Yes

Yes

Yes

My beliefs say God is our Judge with Christ as Jury and Executioner.

Whatever we do as men, does not absolve one of Heaven's judgment.

minneapolisFunq said:

Enabling molestation is unforgivable.

He probably tasted the forbidden fruit a few times himself.

No evidence to say he did either.

He knew of one incident that can be confirmed because he reported it.

Not following up on the report is problematic.

The fact that the molester was on his staff would no doubt make recruiting more difficult if it became public.

He chose to protect the school. He at some point later speaking up simply becomes problematic and therefore the silence continues.

Even if he's felt remorseful all these years, no one is going to believe him.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Ironic that he would have had to be replaced anyway.

light to Joe, students and all involved in the big mess.

He'd been accused. Blood now, facts later, maybe, if they support what we want to believe.

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

Cerebus said:

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

lazycrockett said:

Cerebus said:

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

Do you know any of that, factually speaking? I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's that much of conspiracy going on. The ten year long investigation would have turned it up if there was. Joe knew very little and he did very little with it. He could have done more with the little bit he knew. He could have followed up to see if anything was done about what he reported. There is no legal action that could have been taken against him for doing so.

I just have an extremely hard time understanding how anyone can look a child molestor in the eye everyday KNOWING what he is doing to those chidren. How the fuck can you witness a child being raped and do nothing? That's just plain craziness. Sandusky had access to unlimited little boys for over 20 years and nobody stopped him. Now he's old and doesn't have that many years left anyway. He'll be dead in prison within the next 5 years of going there. Those children deserved better than that, and I bet they became broken adults. It's a tragedy.

So at the moment I can't forgive Joe Paterno or that grad student (I forget his name) or the fucking Penn State administration that let this pedophile run free for decades. It's disgusting.

Terrib3Towel said:

I just have an extremely hard time understanding how anyone can look a child molestor in the eye everyday KNOWING what he is doing to those chidren. How the fuck can you witness a child being raped and do nothing? That's just plain craziness. Sandusky had access to unlimited little boys for over 20 years and nobody stopped him. Now he's old and doesn't have that many years left anyway. He'll be dead in prison within the next 5 years of going there. Those children deserved better than that, and I bet they became broken adults. It's a tragedy.

So at the moment I can't forgive Joe Paterno or that grad student (I forget his name) or the fucking Penn State administration that let this pedophile run free for decades. It's disgusting.

Joe Paterno DID NOT witness anybody being raped. He didn't witness anybody being molested in any way.

This information can EASILY be found on the internet...

"Paterno has come under harsh criticism — including from within the community known as Happy Valley — for not taking more action in 2002 after then-graduate assistant and current assistant coach Mike McQueary came to him and reported seeing Sandusky in the Penn State showers with a young boy. Paterno notified the athletic director, Tim Curley, and a vice president, Gary Schultz."

That's why Paterno was fired. That's why people are saying things like "I hope he rots in hell." Absolutely NO charges were brought, or planned on being brought, against Joe Paterno. Jerry Sandusky is the monster, not Joe Paterno.

Also, that was 2002 - Joe Paterno didn't know for decades. And are you even aware that Sandusky retired from Penn State in 1999? That's right, three years BEFORE the incident that Joe Paterno reported. He wasn't there everyday. Its likely some other people did know, though, since he started his charity for at-risk youth OUTSIDE of Penn State in 1977. The investigators who took TEN YEARS to bring charges against Sandusky definitely knew, because they started the investigation after people started coming forward. Also, the acts he was being investigated for "included" Penn State. Everything was not taking place at that one location. If Joe Paterno reported it to his supervisors in 2002, but Sandusky wasn't arrested until 2011, how is this Joe Paterno's fault?

Look, the acts that took place are a true definition of evil and are absolutely unforgiveable. But people really, REALLY need to stop this steamrolling over Joe Paterno affect that's happening because he had the bigger, more recognizable name. Again, Jerry Sandusky is the monster, not Joe Paterno.

[Edited 1/23/12 21:11pm]

Cerebus said:

lazycrockett said:

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

Do you know any of that, factually speaking? I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's that much of conspiracy going on. The ten year long investigation would have turned it up if there was. Joe knew very little and he did very little with it. He could have done more with the little bit he knew. He could have followed up to see if anything was done about what he reported. There is no legal action that could have been taken against him for doing so.

Just my opinion. Though I will say there is more going on than you think behind the Penn State Veil specially that penn state prosecutor that went missing a decade ago that was working on the original Sandusky abuse case.

I don't blame him for what happened but I do think he still should've done some investigating on dude before hiring him. Apparently people hire whoever without formally checking their background. Unfortunately for Joe Paterno, the media made him guilty by association because he had Sandusky in the school for over two decades.

^ I agree when this first broke everyone seemed focused on Joe hell I even commented on the first thread bout the scandel that he wasn't what the media should be focusing on. It took bout a week before the media focused on Sandusky and the other coach that saw the rape in the shower.

I was pretty much told that its his univeristy and he should have dealt with it and the blood was on his hands.

Then throw in the fact that after Sandusky "retired" from Penn State no other university offered him a coaching job when he was in the prime of his coaching career. There is alot of people who knew or heard the rumors and sat on their hands.

lazycrockett said:

^ I agree when this first broke everyone seemed focused on Joe hell I even commented on the first thread bout the scandel that he wasn't what the media should be focusing on. It took bout a week before the media focused on Sandusky and the other coach that saw the rape in the shower.

I was pretty much told that its his univeristy and he should have dealt with it and the blood was on his hands.

Then throw in the fact that after Sandusky "retired" from Penn State no other university offered him a coaching job when he was in the prime of his coaching career. There is alot of people who knew or heard the rumors and sat on their hands.

And that is one of the most troubling facts about this case.

Cerebus said:

But doesn't anybody see the timing of this and think, how convenient???

I've been saying this to my hubby since the story first broke.

Like, don't you think it went something along the lines of......

Uh Oh, the fact that we raped kids is about to come out, Penn State.

Hmmm.....what are we gonna do?

Joe Paterno, you're dying and about to retire in a cpl months anyway. Will you for the sake of Penn State take one for the team, and let us place all of the blame on you?

Sure, give me my pension early and it's a deal.

Gross.

[Edited 1/24/12 8:13am]

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

One more famous person that I have not heard of.

(I got on the thread to find out who the hell he was and why he deserves a thread,lol)

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

Absolutely. But as I believe I mentioned earlier, Joe Paterno did report the incident that was reported to him by Mike McQueary in 2002 to his superiors, but they sat on the allegations and covered it up. As a result, a number of them were fired once Sandusky was arrested, and some of them are facing their own criminal charges for obstruction, conspiracy, and child endangerment. And there are already a number of civil lawsuits which have been and are being filed against the university for their failure to investigate the reported molestations.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

But doesn't anybody see the timing of this and think, how convenient???

I've been saying this to my hubby since the story first broke.

Like, don't you think it went something along the lines of......

Uh Oh, the fact that we raped kids is about to come out, Penn State.

Hmmm.....what are we gonna do?

Joe Paterno, you're dying and about to retire in a cpl months anyway. Will you for the sake of Penn State take one for the team, and let us place all of the blame on you?

Sure, give me my pension early and it's a deal.

Gross.

[Edited 1/24/12 8:13am]

How can you place the blame on Paterno? He wasn't the one arrested.

No one has made any misconduct claims against him either.

Why not blame everyone who attended the school at any time?

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

SUPRMAN said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

Could have and should have done more is right. He could have and should have stopped it from ever happening again. I'm sure your attitude wouldn't be as passive if something like this were to happen to your little boy. (Dunno if you have one or not, just saying)

SUPRMAN said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

How are you gonna say 'he could and should have done more, and then turn around and say leave him alone'?? Just another example of how disgusting people can be. I don't know how any of these people who knew about this were ever able to sleep at night.

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

[Edited 1/26/12 17:10pm]

TotalANXiousNESS said:

SUPRMAN said:

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

How are you gonna say 'he could and should have done more, and then turn around and say leave him alone'?? Just another example of how disgusting people can be. I don't know how any of these people who knew about this were ever able to sleep at night.

How?

Let's get the criminals away from children first, at least.

Why aren't you going after the children's parents? Where were they?