wow. light to his health and his transition if that, truly, is near.

sad

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

BREAKING: Joe Paterno has died, according to Penn State officials.

http://www.huffingtonpost...21289.html

This is such a tragedy anyway, but to face the end of one's life with such a cloud hanging over him was even more tragic.

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

Terrib3Towel said:

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

He didn't allow them to be molested; the Penn State administration did. He didn't handle the situation very well, but he didn't cover it up like the AD, the provost, and the university president did. Nevertheless, he probably died a broken man. Yet we shouldn't overlook his great coaching career and the huge number of players he graduated from college. May he rest in peace.

Terrib3Towel said:

False alarm: according to his family, the old bastard is alive-- but in grave condition.

728huey said:

He didn't allow them to be molested; the Penn State administration did. He didn't handle the situation very well, but he didn't cover it up like the AD, the provost, and the university president did. Nevertheless, he probably died a broken man. Yet we shouldn't overlook his great coaching career and the huge number of players he graduated from college. May he rest in peace.

[Edited 1/21/12 20:03pm]

728huey said:

I was reading that the students were all in route to his statue for mass mourning when they heard the news. The more I hear bout Penn State the more it comes off as a weird ass cult.

lazycrockett said:

I was reading that the students were all in route to his statue for mass mourning when they heard the news. The more I hear bout Penn State the more it comes off as a weird ass cult.

Its that way with a lot of colleges and their alumni. I never understood it at all. Of course, I hate people, so whatever.

If he is dead, RIP. It is sad that his life ended (or is ending) this way, but I agree that he made these mistakes himself and should have to suffer the consequences like anyone else would, regardless of age or personal history.

Makes me wonder if he would have made it through another season, or if maybe the stress expedited some previously existing health issues. Seems like the acceleration of bad health happens a lot to people who retire late in life and have nothing else to do. Another reason to look forward to getting old.

It's official now. ESPN is reporting on his passing.

http://espn.go.com/colleg...ncer-fight

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

Sad to say I agree 100% with Jersey

Too bad he didn't live long enough to face all the rape victims in court. He was complicit in allowing a sexual predator to continue abusing young boys. Rot in hell, Joe.

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Fury said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

Wow. Kinda harsh there

For real. A lot of harsh words here. No matter how bad the situation was with him at

PSU it ultimately up to the man upstairs to be his final judge and jury.

728huey said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

He didn't allow them to be molested; the Penn State administration did. He didn't handle the situation very well, but he didn't cover it up like the AD, the provost, and the university president did. Nevertheless, he probably died a broken man. Yet we shouldn't overlook his great coaching career and the huge number of players he graduated from college. May he rest in peace.

I have to disagree.

Joe was GOD at Penn. Bigger than the admin, AD, Pres, etc. etc. It's why he was allowed to stay for as long as he did. The man was vain and pretty much cared only about himself and his program IMO. Hell, his ass should have been fired years ago cause he was TOO GOD DAMNED OLD. Not to mention a ho-hum record year after year in the end.

Now, I don't know all the facts, but what I do understand is he had an idea something was up. If you "have an idea" of what is currently being alleged as happening, and you're the biggest public figure for the uni, let me ask you....do you just let it all work out as he did or do you blow every whistle you can? Joe didn't do that. He just kinda went business as usual. In my eyes, he's as guilty as the rest of them. Guilty of not doing enough to save children being molested. It's disgusting in every sense of the word and to watch all the alum and current students blindly follow this man is just sad to me.

for christs sake, it's kids we're talking about. Maybe younger, but the same kind of kids that he swore to parents all across the country he would take care of if they went to Penn. If you care about taking care of kids, you don't lay idle.

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

“Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

“Not only will we have to repent for the sins of bad people; but we also will have to repent for the appalling silence of good people.”

“There comes a time when silence is betrayal.”

“On some positions, cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And then expedience comes along and asks the question, is it politic? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? Conscience asks the question, is it right?

"There comes a time when one must take the position that is neither safe nor politic nor popular, but he must do it because conscience tells him it is right.”

football records and graduating adults from school mean jack shit in this instance.

whew, sorry for the long wind. Don't move this to P&R Luv!!!!!

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Well..

Idk what his role was when it came to the Penn State scandal, but if he truly was innocent, then I feel deep sorrow for the way in which he died, and under these circumstances. If he knew what really happened and did nothing, then I can't feel much for him, other than give my sympathy to his family.

But whatever his role was, I know right now he's being given the ultimate Judgement. There's really nothing more we can do.

phunkdaddy said:

Fury said:

Wow. Kinda harsh there

For real. A lot of harsh words here. No matter how bad the situation was with him at

PSU it ultimately up to the man upstairs to be his final judge and jury.

Would either of you be saying this if Paterno was the actual molestor/rapist? Or, would you say this if Jerry Sandusky is proven to be guilty, and then he suddenly died?

WaterInYourBath said:

phunkdaddy said:

For real. A lot of harsh words here. No matter how bad the situation was with him at

PSU it ultimately up to the man upstairs to be his final judge and jury.

Would either of you be saying this if Paterno was the actual molestor/rapist? Or, would you say this if Jerry Sandusky is proven to be guilty, and then he suddenly died?

or if it were your children that were raped?

Enabling molestation is unforgivable.

He probably tasted the forbidden fruit a few times himself.

WaterInYourBath said:

phunkdaddy said:

For real. A lot of harsh words here. No matter how bad the situation was with him at

PSU it ultimately up to the man upstairs to be his final judge and jury.

Would either of you be saying this if Paterno was the actual molestor/rapist? Or, would you say this if Jerry Sandusky is proven to be guilty, and then he suddenly died?

But he wasn't. Who gives a shit about Sandusky? He's irrelevant in this thread.

I never said Joe Pa was innocent in the whole scandal but the guy isn't even in the

ground yet and the town of Salem is ready to roast him in the fire.

RIP.

I don't really see why the Penn State scandal has any relevance to his death. This thread isn't about what kind of a person he was, it's about discussing the fact that he's dead. If anybody doesn't care that he's dead, fine, but it's rude to bring it up now. And if you're happy that he's dead, that's sick, no matter what he did or didn't do.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

RIP.

I don't really see why the Penn State scandal has any relevance to his death. This thread isn't about what kind of a person he was, it's about discussing the fact that he's dead. If anybody doesn't care that he's dead, fine, but it's rude to bring it up now. And if you're happy that he's dead, that's sick, no matter what he did or didn't do.

I will say this much. I've been following the reactions to Joe Paterno's death on several websites today, and the reactions have been polarizing to say the least. While half of them have been complimentary towards Paterno and his long and storied career, the other half have been a near virtual hatefest of "Fuck you, Joe Paterno," "I hope you're burning in hell right now," "you disgusting child rapist enabler," etc. Granted, I'd say about a third of those negative comments are from a bunch of haters, but the others are from people who have experienced some serious physical or sexual abuse as children. While I certainly sympathize with those survivors and wish them peace and comfort from their ordeals, I beileve they are having serious issues looking at the whole situation with Paterno and Jerry Sandusky objectively. I didn't know the man personally, and I don't know whether Paterno knew this molestation was going on prior to 2002 or how much knew knew afterward, but he made a mistake which he even admitted to later on. That doesn't make him a monster. And frankly we'll never know exactly what or how much he knew about this situation, because he is no longer around to defend himself. Most of those accusing him of enabling such abuse are saying he shouldn't be treated like he's some kind of God on the Penn State campus, yet their very asumptions about what he should have done are based on those same qualifications that he had more power than he had to rectify the situation. The outrage needs to be directed at Jerry Sandusky and the PSU adminstrators who sat on the allegations that Paterno broiught up and covered up the whole affair.

My two cents are as follows...

There is no excuse for Paterno not reporting Sandusky immediately if he had even the slightest suspicion that something illegal was taking place.

However, Paterno, by all accounts, never molested anyone. So people really need to give allegations of that sort a rest.

Also, Joe Paterno still helped thousands of kids become better people over the course of his career. Nearly everyone who ever had anything to do with the guy will tell you just that. I don't believe that making the admittedly huge mistake he made wipes all that away. Tarnishes? Yes? Puts a shadow on his legacy? Yes, a big one.

Again, I'm not excusing his lack of action in regards to what he may have known. And I say "may have", because even that is still muddled and confusing. Whatever he knew, he certainly should have done more to be sure it was permanently stopped.

728huey said:

Granted, I'd say about a third of those negative comments are from a bunch of haters, but the others are from people who have experienced some serious physical or sexual abuse as children. While I certainly sympathize with those survivors and wish them peace and comfort from their ordeals, I beileve they are having serious issues looking at the whole situation with Paterno and Jerry Sandusky objectively.

That isn't an excuse for spewing hatred. I was abused as a child, too. I just think this scandal doesn't have relevance to the story of this man's death; and being happy that somebody is dead or wanting somebody to be tortured ('hope he's burning in hell') is disgusting to me, no matter what they did. You have to be better than those people. I don't believe in an eye for an eye, and I find death sad, even when it happens to people I don't know or don't like.

I'm not defending him in regards to the scandal, which I'm probably not as educated on as some people here, but I find some of these people's comments regarding a person's life ending truly disgusting.

If people want to discuss the scandal, it should be taken to another thread.

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RIP but I wished he had checked out whoever he hired to be part of his school...

Ironic that he would have had to be replaced anyway.

light to Joe, students and all involved in the big mess.

OMG I'm so sick of hearing about this guy I could scream.

Especially around here, everyone and thier grandmother went to PSU. They're worshiping him like he is some sort of saint. ugh.

Hope his family geths through all this peacefully though.

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

It's Joe Pa.

"[A] prominent role in?" I think that title goes to Sandusky.

Joe Pa was a peripheral figure.

He was wrong to put the perceived well being of the school over a child by not following up on his only report of what he was told.

Until this year I'm sure he felt he'd made the right decision as it had not come back to haunt him or hurt the school, until it did.

Terrib3Towel said:

Those children he allowed to be molested have been dead inside for a long time.

I hope he rots in hell, what a POS.

God may be more forgiving.

lazycrockett said:

I was reading that the students were all in route to his statue for mass mourning when they heard the news. The more I hear bout Penn State the more it comes off as a weird ass cult.

Most Division I schools are like that.

Identity said:

Too bad he didn't live long enough to face all the rape victims in court. He was complicit in allowing a sexual predator to continue abusing young boys. Rot in hell, Joe.

[Edited 1/22/12 15:55pm]

Why would he have to face the victims in court?

He wasn't charged with anything nor would he be.

JerseyKRS said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Would either of you be saying this if Paterno was the actual molestor/rapist? Or, would you say this if Jerry Sandusky is proven to be guilty, and then he suddenly died?

or if it were your children that were raped?

Yes

Yes

Yes

My beliefs say God is our Judge with Christ as Jury and Executioner.

Whatever we do as men, does not absolve one of Heaven's judgment.

minneapolisFunq said:

Enabling molestation is unforgivable.

He probably tasted the forbidden fruit a few times himself.

No evidence to say he did either.

He knew of one incident that can be confirmed because he reported it.

Not following up on the report is problematic.

The fact that the molester was on his staff would no doubt make recruiting more difficult if it became public.

He chose to protect the school. He at some point later speaking up simply becomes problematic and therefore the silence continues.

Even if he's felt remorseful all these years, no one is going to believe him.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Ironic that he would have had to be replaced anyway.

light to Joe, students and all involved in the big mess.

He'd been accused. Blood now, facts later, maybe, if they support what we want to believe.

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

Cerebus said:

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

lazycrockett said:

Cerebus said:

Stop making sense SUPRMAN, don't you know people are guilty in the court of public opinion until somebody else is proven more guilty, even if all the facts are wrong.

I gave up on this thread after I realized how many people actually believe that he molested children, or that he even saw the molestations taking place. His only "crime" was not following up on what he had reported.

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

Do you know any of that, factually speaking? I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's that much of conspiracy going on. The ten year long investigation would have turned it up if there was. Joe knew very little and he did very little with it. He could have done more with the little bit he knew. He could have followed up to see if anything was done about what he reported. There is no legal action that could have been taken against him for doing so.

I just have an extremely hard time understanding how anyone can look a child molestor in the eye everyday KNOWING what he is doing to those chidren. How the fuck can you witness a child being raped and do nothing? That's just plain craziness. Sandusky had access to unlimited little boys for over 20 years and nobody stopped him. Now he's old and doesn't have that many years left anyway. He'll be dead in prison within the next 5 years of going there. Those children deserved better than that, and I bet they became broken adults. It's a tragedy.

So at the moment I can't forgive Joe Paterno or that grad student (I forget his name) or the fucking Penn State administration that let this pedophile run free for decades. It's disgusting.

Terrib3Towel said:

I just have an extremely hard time understanding how anyone can look a child molestor in the eye everyday KNOWING what he is doing to those chidren. How the fuck can you witness a child being raped and do nothing? That's just plain craziness. Sandusky had access to unlimited little boys for over 20 years and nobody stopped him. Now he's old and doesn't have that many years left anyway. He'll be dead in prison within the next 5 years of going there. Those children deserved better than that, and I bet they became broken adults. It's a tragedy.

So at the moment I can't forgive Joe Paterno or that grad student (I forget his name) or the fucking Penn State administration that let this pedophile run free for decades. It's disgusting.

Joe Paterno DID NOT witness anybody being raped. He didn't witness anybody being molested in any way.

This information can EASILY be found on the internet...

"Paterno has come under harsh criticism — including from within the community known as Happy Valley — for not taking more action in 2002 after then-graduate assistant and current assistant coach Mike McQueary came to him and reported seeing Sandusky in the Penn State showers with a young boy. Paterno notified the athletic director, Tim Curley, and a vice president, Gary Schultz."

That's why Paterno was fired. That's why people are saying things like "I hope he rots in hell." Absolutely NO charges were brought, or planned on being brought, against Joe Paterno. Jerry Sandusky is the monster, not Joe Paterno.

Also, that was 2002 - Joe Paterno didn't know for decades. And are you even aware that Sandusky retired from Penn State in 1999? That's right, three years BEFORE the incident that Joe Paterno reported. He wasn't there everyday. Its likely some other people did know, though, since he started his charity for at-risk youth OUTSIDE of Penn State in 1977. The investigators who took TEN YEARS to bring charges against Sandusky definitely knew, because they started the investigation after people started coming forward. Also, the acts he was being investigated for "included" Penn State. Everything was not taking place at that one location. If Joe Paterno reported it to his supervisors in 2002, but Sandusky wasn't arrested until 2011, how is this Joe Paterno's fault?

Look, the acts that took place are a true definition of evil and are absolutely unforgiveable. But people really, REALLY need to stop this steamrolling over Joe Paterno affect that's happening because he had the bigger, more recognizable name. Again, Jerry Sandusky is the monster, not Joe Paterno.

[Edited 1/23/12 21:11pm]

Cerebus said:

lazycrockett said:

I would say at the end of the day, Paterno had signed a contract that said that going to the university was the only action he could take and that the administration would take the appropiate actions. I would even say that he was told to keep all issues "in house".

Do you know any of that, factually speaking? I get what you're saying, but I don't think there's that much of conspiracy going on. The ten year long investigation would have turned it up if there was. Joe knew very little and he did very little with it. He could have done more with the little bit he knew. He could have followed up to see if anything was done about what he reported. There is no legal action that could have been taken against him for doing so.

Just my opinion. Though I will say there is more going on than you think behind the Penn State Veil specially that penn state prosecutor that went missing a decade ago that was working on the original Sandusky abuse case.

I don't blame him for what happened but I do think he still should've done some investigating on dude before hiring him. Apparently people hire whoever without formally checking their background. Unfortunately for Joe Paterno, the media made him guilty by association because he had Sandusky in the school for over two decades.

^ I agree when this first broke everyone seemed focused on Joe hell I even commented on the first thread bout the scandel that he wasn't what the media should be focusing on. It took bout a week before the media focused on Sandusky and the other coach that saw the rape in the shower.

I was pretty much told that its his univeristy and he should have dealt with it and the blood was on his hands.

Then throw in the fact that after Sandusky "retired" from Penn State no other university offered him a coaching job when he was in the prime of his coaching career. There is alot of people who knew or heard the rumors and sat on their hands.

lazycrockett said:

^ I agree when this first broke everyone seemed focused on Joe hell I even commented on the first thread bout the scandel that he wasn't what the media should be focusing on. It took bout a week before the media focused on Sandusky and the other coach that saw the rape in the shower.

I was pretty much told that its his univeristy and he should have dealt with it and the blood was on his hands.

Then throw in the fact that after Sandusky "retired" from Penn State no other university offered him a coaching job when he was in the prime of his coaching career. There is alot of people who knew or heard the rumors and sat on their hands.

And that is one of the most troubling facts about this case.

Cerebus said:

But doesn't anybody see the timing of this and think, how convenient???

I've been saying this to my hubby since the story first broke.

Like, don't you think it went something along the lines of......

Uh Oh, the fact that we raped kids is about to come out, Penn State.

Hmmm.....what are we gonna do?

Joe Paterno, you're dying and about to retire in a cpl months anyway. Will you for the sake of Penn State take one for the team, and let us place all of the blame on you?

Sure, give me my pension early and it's a deal.

Gross.

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There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

One more famous person that I have not heard of.

(I got on the thread to find out who the hell he was and why he deserves a thread,lol)

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

Absolutely. But as I believe I mentioned earlier, Joe Paterno did report the incident that was reported to him by Mike McQueary in 2002 to his superiors, but they sat on the allegations and covered it up. As a result, a number of them were fired once Sandusky was arrested, and some of them are facing their own criminal charges for obstruction, conspiracy, and child endangerment. And there are already a number of civil lawsuits which have been and are being filed against the university for their failure to investigate the reported molestations.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

But doesn't anybody see the timing of this and think, how convenient???

I've been saying this to my hubby since the story first broke.

Like, don't you think it went something along the lines of......

Uh Oh, the fact that we raped kids is about to come out, Penn State.

Hmmm.....what are we gonna do?

Joe Paterno, you're dying and about to retire in a cpl months anyway. Will you for the sake of Penn State take one for the team, and let us place all of the blame on you?

Sure, give me my pension early and it's a deal.

Gross.

[Edited 1/24/12 8:13am]

How can you place the blame on Paterno? He wasn't the one arrested.

No one has made any misconduct claims against him either.

Why not blame everyone who attended the school at any time?

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Cerebus said:

There was no "we". Jerry Sandusky committed those crimes. I hope we get a chance to find out who knew what in greater detail. But right now how easily people are willing to believe that everyone else is to blame, involved or covering up something disturbs me. It appears a couple people, maybe a few, had some kind of proof, and most of them reported it. Beyond that, Jerry Sandusky is the monster.

However, I do think there are a lot of people who are taking full advantage of the fact that attention has shifted from Penn State to Joe Paterno himself. And that is gross. But I don't believe for one second that any of this happened with his blessing.

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

SUPRMAN said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

[Edited 1/24/12 17:26pm]

Could have and should have done more is right. He could have and should have stopped it from ever happening again. I'm sure your attitude wouldn't be as passive if something like this were to happen to your little boy. (Dunno if you have one or not, just saying)

SUPRMAN said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

With or without his blessing, it should come as no surprise that PSU was corrupt and covering shit up. What organization isn't? Name one. Makes me sick. People in power that is. The whole thing is sick and the people defending him going 'hes the winningest college football coachhhhhhh'. I don't give a flying fuck. If I was any of those boy's parents I'd be out for blood concerning the entire institution.

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

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How are you gonna say 'he could and should have done more, and then turn around and say leave him alone'?? Just another example of how disgusting people can be. I don't know how any of these people who knew about this were ever able to sleep at night.

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

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TotalANXiousNESS said:

SUPRMAN said:

That's American . . . .

The entire institution isn't at fault. Individuals at the instution however are. Go after those individuals and leave PSU and Paterno alone.

(Go after those that committed crimes. Joe Pa did not. He did not cover it up either. He reported what he was told. He could have and should have done more, but that is not criminal behavior.

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How are you gonna say 'he could and should have done more, and then turn around and say leave him alone'?? Just another example of how disgusting people can be. I don't know how any of these people who knew about this were ever able to sleep at night.

How?

Let's get the criminals away from children first, at least.

Why aren't you going after the children's parents? Where were they?

^Youre skirting very close to the "blame the victim" here. Sandusky was the master of setting all of this up. The charity organization everything was a pedophiles dream come true. So lets not start blaming the parents who were just as hoodwinked and lied to as the kids.

uPtoWnNY said:

JerseyKRS said:

his uncaring press conference (ending with a Penn State cheer of all things) , in the wake of a CHILD rape scandal that he had a prominent role in, is kind of all I will ever think of when JOPA's name comes up.

Denier, naive, call it whatever you will, but how he handled all of that diminishes any "leader" work he ever did in my eyes.

My wishes go out to his family, but not him unfortunately.

I agree 100%. He should have done more. Everyone's bringing up 2002, what about the 1998 report? How much did Paterno actually know? Great coach, but for me, his legacy is tainted.

I agree, and I think I said something like that in my very first post in this thread. But then somewhere along the way this thread went all mental. Started saying things like Paterno saw it happen, Paterno was a molester, Paterno did nothing, etc. None of that is true, unless there are people in this thread who posses facts that a ten year long investigation was unable to turn up. He should have done more to follow-up on what he reported, he said so himself. But he WAS NOT the criminal. He was not the child molesting monster.

Edit: A E I O Uuuuuu....

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lazycrockett said:

^Youre skirting very close to the "blame the victim" here. Sandusky was the master of setting all of this up. The charity organization everything was a pedophiles dream come true. So lets not start blaming the parents who were just as hoodwinked and lied to as the kids.

lazycrockett said:

^Youre skirting very close to the "blame the victim" here. Sandusky was the master of setting all of this up. The charity organization everything was a pedophiles dream come true. So lets not start blaming the parents who were just as hoodwinked and lied to as the kids.

My apologies.

Cerebus said:

He should have done more to follow-up on what he reported, he said so himself. But he WAS NOT the criminal. He was not the child molesting monster.

But Joe Paterno set himself and Penn State up as the moral authority of college football. The university was considered a place where "unlike other universities, we do things the right way". That's what I always hear from PSU grads. So damn straight folks are upset with him for not going above and beyond to stop that monster and protect those kids. This is a man presidents wanted an audience with - he WAS Penn State. Did he really not know how to handle this, or did he(and the board) keep this shit in-house to protect the 'Penn State brand', as Mike Francesca said on his show? My gut feeling tells me it's the latter. If I'm right, then he can rot in hell, as another orger said. Unfortunately, with him gone, we'll never get the whole story.

I wonder what Paterno would have done if it was HIS grandson in the shower with Sandusky.

SUPRMAN said:

lazycrockett said:

^Youre skirting very close to the "blame the victim" here. Sandusky was the master of setting all of this up. The charity organization everything was a pedophiles dream come true. So lets not start blaming the parents who were just as hoodwinked and lied to as the kids.

My apologies.

I give you props for that.

SUPRMAN said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

How are you gonna say 'he could and should have done more, and then turn around and say leave him alone'?? Just another example of how disgusting people can be. I don't know how any of these people who knew about this were ever able to sleep at night.

How?

Let's get the criminals away from children first, at least.

Why aren't you going after the children's parents? Where were they?

Are you serious? I'm sure they did not think they're children were going to get molested at Penn State. My kids go there 2 weeks out of the summer for camp. Call me crazy but I thought they'd be safe there.

But now I've made a mental note. Places my children can't go. Catholic School. Michael Jacksons House. And Penn State. ?????? C'mon.

It sounds like the dude did his job to me. Report the alleged incident to his superiors. That should be his responsibility taken care of.

The ones higher up that he reported to should be the ones held accountable from that point on IMO. Why would Joe conduct his own investigation when the higher ups should be taking care of that? His job is to coach football, not to administrate school staff conduct matters. First of all, he didn't see anything...the informtion he recieved was 2nd hand and he rightly reported it.

The animosity toward him just doesn't make sense to me.

nd33 said:

It sounds like the dude did his job to me. Report the alleged incident to his superiors. That should be his responsibility taken care of.

The ones higher up that he reported to should be the ones held accountable from that point on IMO. Why would Joe conduct his own investigation when the higher ups should be taking care of that? His job is to coach football, not to administrate school staff conduct matters. First of all, he didn't see anything...the informtion he recieved was 2nd hand and he rightly reported it.

The animosity toward him just doesn't make sense to me.

What, here or in public? I do commend him for reporting it to be honest, I just wished he did a background check but he's (Paterno) not to blame for this. Anyways, may he rest peacefully. Now Sandusky, he can rot for all I care.