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Reply #120 posted 05/21/11 9:27pm

alexnvrmnd777

Droppin' elbows all over heaven!! cool

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Reply #121 posted 05/21/11 11:05pm

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Although the steroids issue loomed, there were and are still quite alot of guys who are insanely huge, Vince in fact prefers main eventers who are more muscular.Guys like Ahmed Johnson, Sycho Sid, Lex Luger, Brock Lesnar, Bastista, and now Mason Ryan and John Cena come to mind

Shawn Michaels didn't fit the "look" Vince had in mind for his main eventers

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He wasn't insanely huge, he wasn't 6 foot 10, but he put on some of the greatest matches the WWE ever showcased. Because of guys like Shawn, the Hart brothers, and others, the whole "Huge muscular" thing kinda got pushed to the aside to some extent

Shawn is absolutely my most favorite wrestler of ALL time. His in-ring skills were out of this world, and he could cut a promo with the best of 'em. The WWE has had a huge hole in it since HBK retired last year. Even at his age he was STILL giving 5-star match/Match Of The Year performances. I wish he would come back for another series of matches (or even just an on-camera role), but I know he said he didn't want to be one of those wrestlers who retires but keeps coming back. He's still in great shape, though.

It would've been really interesting to see where his career would've ended up if he never hurt his back at Bad Blood in 1997 and got that back surgery. Maybe he wouldn't have the perspective he has now and would be spiraling out of control. Or maybe he would've gone on to be bigger than Austin and/or HHH. He was already BETTER than those two, but not bigger.

And is it me, bboy, but is Mason Ryan just Batista 2.0? Lol! Vince absolutely gets off on guys with physiques like that. Geesh!

Shawn is now my favorite wrestler. Sting was always my absolute favorite until maybe 2005 when I started really watching HBK's old matches and his matches with Triple H, Kurt Angle, and his hilarious overselling in his match with Hogan

HBK was consistently pulling off classic matches for most of his career and contributed just as much to the company as Hogan did.

The first ladder match at Wrestlemania

the first hell in a cell match

the first elimination chamber match

helped launch the "New Generation" era (post Hogan)

and with Austin, started the Attitude Era

I hope WWE releases a DVD boxset of Shawn's matches. "My Journey" is good, but a set of his best matches from 1984 to 2009 would be a must have

you're definitely right! Mason is just a Batista clone. The whole Nexus angle needs to die because the only one who has a personality in the group is CM Punk

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Reply #122 posted 05/22/11 1:09pm

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I snapped into multiple Slim Jims and watched the Savage / Steamboat match last night.

Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #123 posted 05/22/11 1:14pm

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Oddly his death just made me forget about watching this week's pay-per-view show tonight.

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Reply #124 posted 05/22/11 1:19pm

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Yea, I felt his death much more that I would have expected. Me and my Mom used to watch him and his death made me remember those good times.

Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #125 posted 05/22/11 1:25pm

Timmy84

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Yea, I felt his death much more that I would have expected. Me and my Mom used to watch him and his death made me remember those good times.

Yeah also I felt my childhood call me ONCE I heard he died. It was like "wow, no wonder I haven't been feeling excited about wrestling as of recent". It's hard to accept because I loved wrestling (though I never got too deep into it like my cousin) but it's definitely falling out with me and has been since 2003.

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Reply #126 posted 05/22/11 2:38pm

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Timmy, I found this

For starters, you can watch most of the old Donahue broadcast at the three links below. Of interest is a shot of the studio crowd at around the 1:55 mark of Part 2. Tom Cole, the accuser, is in the audience. He is accompanied by Elizabeth Hulette – wrestling personality “The Lovely Elizabeth,” who 11 years later would become one of the industry’s many drug-lifestyle deaths.

Also accompanying young Cole in the Donahue studio (though I don’t believe she is on camera in the YouTube clip) was Linda McMahon. As Dave Meltzer, publisher of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and one of Donahue’s panelists, recalled in a post last year for his website’s discussion board, Linda and Elizabeth were part of an unrealized,plot to unveil Cole melodramatically on Donahue in the wake of the 11th-hour settlement of his lawsuit.

In Meltzer’s account, Tom Cole’s brother, Lee Cole, had become friendly during this period with ex-wrestler Barry Orton, who was also doing the media circuit with his charges of sexual harassment by WWF executives. (Barry Orton is the uncle of current star Randy Orton.)

The day before the show, however, Lee Cole went incommunicado, and Barry Orton, Meltzer, and the other Donahue panelists who would be confronting Vince McMahon realized that the Coles and WWF had probably made a deal.

Meltzer recalled, “Another kid who complained at about that time [also] suddenly changed his tune and was driving a nice car shortly thereafter.” Meltzer continued:

Before the show, Orton went to me and had this feeling something happened with Cole, and told me not to mention Cole’s name, so I didn’t. I’m sure he told Bruno [Sammartino] the same thing.

As it turned out, Cole was in the audience and came to the show with Elizabeth (with them figuring it was the ultimate mark out for a teenage boy in that time frame) and Linda McMahon (the ability to come across as a sincere caring aunt like figure) in the limo to the show and sat in the crowd with both of them.

Apparently Vince came on the show, with Cole in the audience, so that when someone mentioned Cole’s name, Vince would spring him on the crowd (nobody knew what he looked like), and he’d say that Orton was a liar, [Superstar Billy] Graham was a liar, Bruno was a liar, etc. They had this closing scene [out] of Perry Mason … planned. But nobody mentioned Cole’s name and they never got to pull it off.

It actually would have been the most awesome moment for Vince, which explained him going on the show. Instead, well, during a commercial break about 40 minutes into the show, he whispered in my ear, “This is the longest hour of my life.”

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Reply #127 posted 05/22/11 3:13pm

Timmy84

^ Real interesting. I think I did watch this when it came on. I used to watch talk shows as a kid for some odd reason.

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Reply #128 posted 05/22/11 6:11pm

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reading from a wrestling site about 2night's WWE PPV ..the show began with a in memorium picture of macho man

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #129 posted 05/22/11 7:18pm

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Tweeted today by Jim Ross:

"1. No idea what is or isn't planned re Macho Man @ upcoming WWE broadcasts. 2. Ur guess good as mine on Savage in WWE HOF. Deserving? Yes."

Hopefully JR is just trying to keep things a surprise.

If not...

[Edited 5/22/11 19:18pm]

blunt music She has robes and she has monkeys, lazy diamond studded flunkies.... music blunt
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Reply #130 posted 05/22/11 8:16pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

reading from a wrestling site about 2night's WWE PPV ..the show began with a in memorium picture of macho man

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

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Reply #131 posted 05/22/11 8:25pm

Timmy84

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

reading from a wrestling site about 2night's WWE PPV ..the show began with a in memorium picture of macho man

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

I did good skipping that shit then.

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Reply #132 posted 05/22/11 8:56pm

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

reading from a wrestling site about 2night's WWE PPV ..the show began with a in memorium picture of macho man

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

I think WWE should cut their PPV schedule down to maybe 6-8 PPVs a year, that way, they have more time to build and hype matches

2006 had 16 PPVs.....I wonder what the buyrates were for those neutral

Do like this:

January- Royal Rumble

February- Elimination Chamber

April- Wrestlemania

June- King Of The Ring

August- Summerslam

October- Vengence

November- Survivor Series (I believe they should, instead, bring Wargames back to replace SS)

December- TLC

THEN..... bring back Clash Of The Champions or Night Of Champions, a show on regular TV but with effort put into it as much as a Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Put it on NBC during the months where they don't have a PPV

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Reply #133 posted 05/22/11 8:59pm

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Mars23 said:

Yea, I felt his death much more that I would have expected. Me and my Mom used to watch him and his death made me remember those good times.

hug

and that sig line =

falloff

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Reply #134 posted 05/22/11 10:10pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

I think WWE should cut their PPV schedule down to maybe 6-8 PPVs a year, that way, they have more time to build and hype matches

2006 had 16 PPVs.....I wonder what the buyrates were for those neutral

Do like this:

January- Royal Rumble

February- Elimination Chamber

April- Wrestlemania

June- King Of The Ring

August- Summerslam

October- Vengence

November- Survivor Series (I believe they should, instead, bring Wargames back to replace SS)

December- TLC

THEN..... bring back Clash Of The Champions or Night Of Champions, a show on regular TV but with effort put into it as much as a Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Put it on NBC during the months where they don't have a PPV

They won't ever return to that, but at the rate they're going, I won't be surprised if they're going bankrupt. Nowadays if you're in the WWE, you don't even get a chance to grow especially when you become a big draw and keep losing matches. Hell Miz's career is suffering now because of that "I Quit" match so he probably won't ever be a serious contender again. And they need to stop letting commentators wrestle. Michael Cole also needs to leave...immediately. I swear if he and Lawler's "feud" continues, I'll stop watching PPV wrestling altogether!

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Reply #135 posted 05/22/11 10:38pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

I think WWE should cut their PPV schedule down to maybe 6-8 PPVs a year, that way, they have more time to build and hype matches

2006 had 16 PPVs.....I wonder what the buyrates were for those neutral

Do like this:

January- Royal Rumble

February- Elimination Chamber

April- Wrestlemania

June- King Of The Ring

August- Summerslam

October- Vengence

November- Survivor Series (I believe they should, instead, bring Wargames back to replace SS)

December- TLC

THEN..... bring back Clash Of The Champions or Night Of Champions, a show on regular TV but with effort put into it as much as a Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Put it on NBC during the months where they don't have a PPV

They won't ever return to that, but at the rate they're going, I won't be surprised if they're going bankrupt. Nowadays if you're in the WWE, you don't even get a chance to grow especially when you become a big draw and keep losing matches. Hell Miz's career is suffering now because of that "I Quit" match so he probably won't ever be a serious contender again. And they need to stop letting commentators wrestle. Michael Cole also needs to leave...immediately. I swear if he and Lawler's "feud" continues, I'll stop watching PPV wrestling altogether!

They're far from bankrupt. They have numerous endorsements, the videogames still sell great, WWE Classics OnDemand is great, and their merchandising is through the roof (Cena is the new Hogan, that's the best way to describe how successful his merchandise is)

Their demographic focus is on kids. Their audience is 40% kids and women so they want to "soften" up the show.

The problems:

-Vince doesn't have wrestling experts/bookers working on the shows anymore, he has writers now. They have SCRIPTS now. People who didn't know much about the wrestling business are head of a wrestling show neutral

-I'm not gonna say they should get back to the Attitude Era because frankly, the Attitude Era had it's fair share of crap. Remember Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Val Venis, The Godfather, DX in blackface....and don't forget the overall wackness of X Pac, but the highlights of the Attitude Era and the 1992-1997 period was the great matches and the storytelling, something you don't see these days. They can be PG, but they can still pull off great matches, but they don't seem to know that

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Reply #136 posted 05/22/11 11:44pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

They won't ever return to that, but at the rate they're going, I won't be surprised if they're going bankrupt. Nowadays if you're in the WWE, you don't even get a chance to grow especially when you become a big draw and keep losing matches. Hell Miz's career is suffering now because of that "I Quit" match so he probably won't ever be a serious contender again. And they need to stop letting commentators wrestle. Michael Cole also needs to leave...immediately. I swear if he and Lawler's "feud" continues, I'll stop watching PPV wrestling altogether!

They're far from bankrupt. They have numerous endorsements, the videogames still sell great, WWE Classics OnDemand is great, and their merchandising is through the roof (Cena is the new Hogan, that's the best way to describe how successful his merchandise is)

Their demographic focus is on kids. Their audience is 40% kids and women so they want to "soften" up the show.

The problems:

-Vince doesn't have wrestling experts/bookers working on the shows anymore, he has writers now. They have SCRIPTS now. People who didn't know much about the wrestling business are head of a wrestling show neutral

-I'm not gonna say they should get back to the Attitude Era because frankly, the Attitude Era had it's fair share of crap. Remember Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Val Venis, The Godfather, DX in blackface....and don't forget the overall wackness of X Pac, but the highlights of the Attitude Era and the 1992-1997 period was the great matches and the storytelling, something you don't see these days. They can be PG, but they can still pull off great matches, but they don't seem to know that

Or care to even try it.

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Reply #137 posted 05/23/11 12:53am

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Vince McMahon needs his motherfucking ass whooped! Not any of that fake shit in the ring on PPV, either. I mean...SERIOUSLY and LITERALLY!

I wondered a few minutes ago whatever happened to Mr. Wonderful - Paul Orndoff. So I looked him up. Just a couple of weeks ago there was a benefit put on...on his behalf to raise money because he's VERY sick. He's battling throat cancer & lymphoma. The benefit was to cover his medical bills.

http://www.facebook.com/e...1795501098

Paul Orndorff also known to wrestling fans as “Mr. Wonderful” has been battling throat cancer & lymphoma. The medical bills and treatments are very expensive and as such have depleted most of Paul’s savings. In light of this tragedy, Southern Comfort Restaurant & Lounge along with local and national wrestling superstars have teamed together to hold a benefit for Paul. We hope to not only have a great day full of live music, raff......les, auctions, great food & drink specials, but we hope to raise enough money to lift a little of the financial burden Paul is experiencing. Come out and show your love and support for this “living legend!!”

The benefit will be held on May 8th, 2011 from 1pm - ?? located at:
Southern Comfort Restaurant & Lounge
1383 Cedar Grove Road
Conley, GA 30288

It was the wrestlers that made the WWF what it was, so that it survived to become the WWE and Vince has made enormous shitloads of money off of them. Why in the fuck isn't he continually contributing to some type of medical fund that he should have set up for them? mad

Vince is a genius. People say its the wrestlers that make the WWF/E. If that was the case then why don't we have PPV's or weekly televised wrestling shows from all the regional promotions. Vince made Professional Wrestling worldwide. Yes there were Hulk Hogan, Roddy Pipper and Macho Man to name a few but the overall success is due to the genius of Vince.

To the other point People on here saying Vince is a prick for not helping wrestlers. Vince does more than anyone to help wrestlers when they are in trouble. He started the Wellness foundation for any employee who has worked for the WWF/E to attend when they have had drug related or other personal issues to deal with. Even when a wrestler has left the company and started working for rival organizations like TNA they are still allowed to enter the wellness foundation for life.

A perfect example of this is Scott Hall (Razor Ramone).

Finally. Macho may you rest in peace. One of my all time favorite wrestlers and when you passed part of my childhood left me as well.

One critism i do have of Vince is that he should have inducted Randy Savage into the Hall of Fame and i think this will play on Vince's mind for the rest of his life.

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Reply #138 posted 05/23/11 1:37am

Timmy84

^ He's a great businessman and all but he's a dog.

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Reply #139 posted 05/23/11 1:42am

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Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

I did good skipping that shit then.

Yeah, you did real good by skipping it.

John Cena got decimated by both The Miz and Alex Riley for over 20 minutes (being whipped with straps, kendo sticks, thrown off the stage, pelted with a chair several times. He hardly got ANY offense in), and towards the end he just gets up, takes his belt off and chases The Miz, puts on his STFU, and The Miz quits??? What kind of bullshit was that?!! They just made The Miz look incredibly weak and like shit. They wonder why there aren't any stars besides Cena and Orton; look no further than this PPV.

And Orton goes over Christian cleanly, with NO payoff?? No heel turn by either of them, or anything that spells out the feud would continue. Granted, it was an excellent match, but I'm tired of them jobbing out Christian, and if they're wanting to turn one of them, they need to start doing it. Their (WWE "Creative") storytelling sucks!! They actually expect people to plunk down $40-$50 a month for this shit?? This one was just 3 weeks from the last one, mind you.

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Reply #140 posted 05/23/11 1:52am

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bboy87 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

I think WWE should cut their PPV schedule down to maybe 6-8 PPVs a year, that way, they have more time to build and hype matches

2006 had 16 PPVs.....I wonder what the buyrates were for those neutral

Do like this:

January- Royal Rumble

February- Elimination Chamber

April- Wrestlemania

June- King Of The Ring

August- Summerslam

October- Vengence

November- Survivor Series (I believe they should, instead, bring Wargames back to replace SS)

December- TLC

THEN..... bring back Clash Of The Champions or Night Of Champions, a show on regular TV but with effort put into it as much as a Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Put it on NBC during the months where they don't have a PPV

You can see the buyrates for the PPVs on WWE's Corporate website, since they're now a public company and must present that sorta stuff.

I almost think 8 would be too many, but there should definitely be no more than that. Something like the Cole/Lawler thing could've easily been on Raw. Or better yet, not on anywhere at all. It was the dumbest of all angles, and Cole just sounds annoying. Nothing "heelish" about him; just BORING. At least R-Truth cleanly won, and I hope they go somewhere with him soon.

They had Del Rio come out for a quick promo before the Kane/Show vs Nexus match for what?? Just to get his face on TV because he wasn't a part of the PPV? He didn't even say shit besides tell us his name, like he ALWAYS does. Hmmm, well if you cut down the time Cole and Lawler take up with their bullshit, you'd have enough time for a real match with other more deserving wrestlers.

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Reply #141 posted 05/23/11 4:40am

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RIP Macho! You were the best wrestler ever!! Ooooh Yeah!!!!

"Time is a train, makes the future the past"
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Reply #142 posted 05/23/11 9:12am

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

reading from a wrestling site about 2night's WWE PPV ..the show began with a in memorium picture of macho man

Yeah, that's all that was done, with his birth and death years underneath. The only other "mention" or sighting of it was CM Punk had "macho" written on the tape of his wrists, and at some point in his match, he was trying to hit the flying elbow off the top rope after pointing skyward. He missed, though.

Outside of the Christian/Orton match (which didn't end to my liking) and a Bret Hart appearance, this PPV absolutely SUCKED! That "I Quit" match was beyond embarrassing. disbelief

ever since the brand seperation i don't get the ppv but i was suckered into this year's wrestlemania cause of the rock, stone cold, the undertaker vs HHH match which was hot as blazes. when it comes 2 the ppv events tho unless it's the big 5 and even those aren't guarentees anymore ijust wait for the results.

i heard about cm punk having macho on his wrist bands ..nice touch and hopefully tonight during raw there will be more of a tribute.

as 4 the orton/christian match ..it's a shame they stripped christian so quickly in favor of orton, tho i like orton, it would be nice 2 see someone else hold the titles for a while. hell the miz held his title longer than christian and the miz sucks outside of his catch phrase.

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #143 posted 05/23/11 9:18am

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

I think WWE should cut their PPV schedule down to maybe 6-8 PPVs a year, that way, they have more time to build and hype matches

2006 had 16 PPVs.....I wonder what the buyrates were for those neutral

Do like this:

January- Royal Rumble

February- Elimination Chamber

April- Wrestlemania

June- King Of The Ring

August- Summerslam

October- Vengence

November- Survivor Series (I believe they should, instead, bring Wargames back to replace SS)

December- TLC

THEN..... bring back Clash Of The Champions or Night Of Champions, a show on regular TV but with effort put into it as much as a Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Put it on NBC during the months where they don't have a PPV

They won't ever return to that, but at the rate they're going, I won't be surprised if they're going bankrupt. Nowadays if you're in the WWE, you don't even get a chance to grow especially when you become a big draw and keep losing matches. Hell Miz's career is suffering now because of that "I Quit" match so he probably won't ever be a serious contender again. And they need to stop letting commentators wrestle. Michael Cole also needs to leave...immediately. I swear if he and Lawler's "feud" continues, I'll stop watching PPV wrestling altogether!

they need 2 also beef up the divas division cause most of those women look busted or lack the in ring skill. and the ones that do possess the talent like the glamazon, natalia and now u got the chick with the braids are going 2 be side stepped 4 the likes of kelly kelly ..seriously?!! at least on tna the women look hot and can wrestle

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #144 posted 05/23/11 6:03pm

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raw opened with the memorium birth and death of macho man

a lot of signs with RIP macho man and OOH YEAH

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #145 posted 05/23/11 7:44pm

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FINALLY a montage. This man oozed charisma. It wasn't faked, it wasn't forced

WWE Superstars of today need to study this man cool

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Reply #146 posted 05/23/11 7:47pm

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bboy87 said:

FINALLY a montage. This man oozed charisma. It wasn't faked, it wasn't forced

WWE Superstars of today need to study this man cool

i was about 2 say wtf since they have done montages on mr perfect and others and finally they did it ..very moving tribute

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #147 posted 05/23/11 7:48pm

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bboy87 said:

They're far from bankrupt. They have numerous endorsements, the videogames still sell great, WWE Classics OnDemand is great, and their merchandising is through the roof (Cena is the new Hogan, that's the best way to describe how successful his merchandise is)

Their demographic focus is on kids. Their audience is 40% kids and women so they want to "soften" up the show.

The problems:

-Vince doesn't have wrestling experts/bookers working on the shows anymore, he has writers now. They have SCRIPTS now. People who didn't know much about the wrestling business are head of a wrestling show neutral

-I'm not gonna say they should get back to the Attitude Era because frankly, the Attitude Era had it's fair share of crap. Remember Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Val Venis, The Godfather, DX in blackface....and don't forget the overall wackness of X Pac, but the highlights of the Attitude Era and the 1992-1997 period was the great matches and the storytelling, something you don't see these days. They can be PG, but they can still pull off great matches, but they don't seem to know that

WWE doesn't necessary have to bring back all of the Attitude Era-like ideas. But they sure as hell do NOT need to try so hard to be rated TV-PG neither.

I say that all of the Vince Russo-wannable script writers with university degrees should be fired, without question. All wrestlers need to have the responsible to shape their own characters and used their wrestling skills to define themselves. I know I sound a little old-fashioned like Jim Cornette mkII over here, but that is the only way that pro wrestling can be save at this point.

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Reply #148 posted 05/23/11 7:58pm

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OK, the video tribute definitely made me tear up!

And BIG shoutout to CM Punk for his Macho Man inspired gear for tonight's show!

Punk has always paid tribute to his fallen heroes the right way. 1st, it was the Mistuharu Misawa written on the tape around his hands after he died, tonight it's the Macho Man trunks.

Very Classy guy, that CM Punk!

JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!!
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Reply #149 posted 05/23/11 8:00pm

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bboy87 said:

They're far from bankrupt. They have numerous endorsements, the videogames still sell great, WWE Classics OnDemand is great, and their merchandising is through the roof (Cena is the new Hogan, that's the best way to describe how successful his merchandise is)

Their demographic focus is on kids. Their audience is 40% kids and women so they want to "soften" up the show.

The problems:

-Vince doesn't have wrestling experts/bookers working on the shows anymore, he has writers now. They have SCRIPTS now. People who didn't know much about the wrestling business are head of a wrestling show neutral

-I'm not gonna say they should get back to the Attitude Era because frankly, the Attitude Era had it's fair share of crap. Remember Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Val Venis, The Godfather, DX in blackface....and don't forget the overall wackness of X Pac, but the highlights of the Attitude Era and the 1992-1997 period was the great matches and the storytelling, something you don't see these days. They can be PG, but they can still pull off great matches, but they don't seem to know that

WWE doesn't necessary have to bring back all of the Attitude Era-like ideas. But they sure as hell do NOT need to try so hard to be rated TV-PG neither.

I say that all of the Vince Russo-wannable script writers with university degrees should be fired, without question. All wrestlers need to have the responsible to shape their own characters and used their wrestling skills to define themselves. I know I sound a little old-fashioned like Jim Cornette mkII over here, but that is the only way that pro wrestling can be save at this point.

highfive we definitely agree. Get rid of the hollywood writers and bring back the guys like Kevin Sullivan and Jim Cornette to do the booking

I hate to say this, but Triple H could very well be the person who will help the WWE out of its current funk. He's the person behind the arrivals of Kharma, Sin Cara, and I think also Alberto Del Rio. He's the one behind the videos that teased Kharma, bring back the promo trailers that WWE and WCW used to show

He has the right mind, so he could be the one

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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