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Reply #60 posted 11/30/09 6:59pm

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Graycap23 said:

This guy has taken over 23,000 shots and has hit LESS than 10,000.
Pityful comes 2 mind.

FWIW, that's a higher career FG percentage than Chauncey Billups.
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Reply #61 posted 12/01/09 5:28am

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AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:

This guy has taken over 23,000 shots and has hit LESS than 10,000.
Pityful comes 2 mind.

FWIW, that's a higher career FG percentage than Chauncey Billups.

.....and a lower WINNING % than Billups.
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Reply #62 posted 12/01/09 9:06am

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Unless a point guard is really mature and only cares about winning, having the ability to score is a curse.
If your pg is the number 1 option, it's easier to beat that team. You can focus all of your defensive effort on the top scorer AND the guy who's handling the ball and running the offense.
AI and others like him(Starberry) never figured that out and as a result wasted the chance of being GREAT instead of GOOD ball players.
AI was a great scorer not a great point guard.
But it sounds like AI is already thinking about UN retireing.
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Reply #63 posted 12/01/09 5:35pm

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Unless a point guard is really mature and only cares about winning, having the ability to score is a curse.
If your pg is the number 1 option, it's easier to beat that team. You can focus all of your defensive effort on the top scorer AND the guy who's handling the ball and running the offense.
AI and others like him(Starberry) never figured that out and as a result wasted the chance of being GREAT instead of GOOD ball players.
AI was a great scorer not a great point guard.
But it sounds like AI is already thinking about UN retireing.

Ai was never a PG.
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Reply #64 posted 12/01/09 7:10pm

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Graycap23 said:

AlexdeParis said:


FWIW, that's a higher career FG percentage than Chauncey Billups.

.....and a lower WINNING % than Billups.

Coincidentally, Billups has been on better teams. Wait, that's not a coincidence at all.
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Reply #65 posted 12/01/09 7:23pm

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AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:


.....and a lower WINNING % than Billups.

Coincidentally, Billups has been on better teams. Wait, that's not a coincidence at all.

No one cared about Billups until after 2003. lol

Before them, dude was switching teams like a fairweather fan.
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Reply #66 posted 12/01/09 8:06pm

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Guess who just came back ... per ESPN.
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Reply #67 posted 12/01/09 8:14pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

AlexdeParis said:


Coincidentally, Billups has been on better teams. Wait, that's not a coincidence at all.

No one cared about Billups until after 2003. lol

Before them, dude was switching teams like a fairweather fan.

No one cares about A.I. 2day.
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Reply #68 posted 12/01/09 8:17pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:


No one cared about Billups until after 2003. lol

Before them, dude was switching teams like a fairweather fan.

No one cares about A.I. 2day.

AI is a future 1st ballot hall of famer. If Billups gets in, it'll be years down the line.
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Reply #69 posted 12/01/09 8:20pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:


No one cares about A.I. 2day.

AI is a future 1st ballot hall of famer. If Billups gets in, it'll be years down the line.

23,000 shots: missed 14,000
24,000 points, 23,000 points
pityful.
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Reply #70 posted 12/01/09 8:23pm

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Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


AI is a future 1st ballot hall of famer. If Billups gets in, it'll be years down the line.

23,000 shots: missed 14,000
24,000 points, 23,000 points
pityful.

The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol
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Reply #71 posted 12/01/09 9:09pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:


23,000 shots: missed 14,000
24,000 points, 23,000 points
pityful.

The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol



continued.....Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Larry Hues, Kevin Ollie etc..... biggrin
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Reply #72 posted 12/01/09 9:12pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

AlexdeParis said:


Coincidentally, Billups has been on better teams. Wait, that's not a coincidence at all.

No one cared about Billups until after 2003. lol

Before them, dude was switching teams like a fairweather fan.



Exactly,the dude couldn't hit a hooker outside the old Boston
Garden when he came into the league and it took dude what
5 years to become the player people thought he would be out of college.
AI nor Philly has anything to lose by him coming back to the Sixers.
Lou Williams is out for 8 weeks. It's a win win situation for Philly.
As for the AI haters,please name me 32 guards in the league that's
better right now. Crickets.
[Edited 12/1/09 21:14pm]
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Reply #73 posted 12/01/09 9:14pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:


23,000 shots: missed 14,000
24,000 points, 23,000 points
pityful.

The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol


Ironically,he worked well with Snow,McKie,and Theo Ratliff during
their 2001 NBA finals run.
He worked well with a couple of players past their prime too
Derrick Coleman and Chris Webber.
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Reply #74 posted 12/02/09 3:05am

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phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol


Ironically,he worked well with Snow,McKie,and Theo Ratliff during
their 2001 NBA finals run.

That was my point. That 2001 Sixers team is easily one of the worst teams to ever make the NBA Finals. Iverson and Larry Brown can't get enough praise for pulling off that feat of magic. That's as far from "pitiful" as it gets.
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Reply #75 posted 12/02/09 5:51am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:


23,000 shots: missed 14,000
24,000 points, 23,000 points
pityful.

The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol

So what is your EXCUSE 4 Denver?
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Reply #76 posted 12/02/09 5:58am

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phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


No one cared about Billups until after 2003. lol

Before them, dude was switching teams like a fairweather fan.



Exactly,the dude couldn't hit a hooker outside the old Boston
Garden when he came into the league and it took dude what
5 years to become the player people thought he would be out of college.
AI nor Philly has anything to lose by him coming back to the Sixers.
Lou Williams is out for 8 weeks. It's a win win situation for Philly.
As for the AI haters,please name me 32 guards in the league that's
better right now. Crickets.
[Edited 12/1/09 21:14pm]

Better at what? Shooting 38% or winning?
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Reply #77 posted 12/02/09 6:05am

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AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:



Ironically,he worked well with Snow,McKie,and Theo Ratliff during
their 2001 NBA finals run.

That was my point. That 2001 Sixers team is easily one of the worst teams to ever make the NBA Finals. Iverson and Larry Brown can't get enough praise for pulling off that feat of magic. That's as far from "pitiful" as it gets.
[Edited 12/2/09 3:05am]


I won't say their the worst team to make the NBA Finals especially
since you had a New York Knicks team minus Patrick Ewing to make
the finals not to long ago. Remember this Philly team had the best
record in the Eastern Conference that year and were on pace for the
best record in the league until Theo Ratliff got hurt. Dude was having
the best season of his career and may have been the defensive player of
the year. Once it was discovered Ratliff was done for the season,the team
was backed into a corner and had to trade for Motombo.Philly had to change
their philosophy somewhat to accomodate Motombo. Ratliff was probably not
as physical as Motombo but he was far more versatile and faster.
Motombo was slow and lawd once he got the ball in the paint and he put
the ball on the floor,it got ugly. Ratliff knew what to do with it once
he got it in the paint. Had Ratliff stayed healthy, this team would have
been among the best for a few more years.
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Reply #78 posted 12/02/09 6:06am

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Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:




Exactly,the dude couldn't hit a hooker outside the old Boston
Garden when he came into the league and it took dude what
5 years to become the player people thought he would be out of college.
AI nor Philly has anything to lose by him coming back to the Sixers.
Lou Williams is out for 8 weeks. It's a win win situation for Philly.
As for the AI haters,please name me 32 guards in the league that's
better right now. Crickets.
[Edited 12/1/09 21:14pm]

Better at what? Shooting 38% or winning?


Both.
smile
Doesn't AI have the highest scoring post season average
behind a recent hall of famer who also never met a shot
he didn't like. wink
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Reply #79 posted 12/02/09 6:22am

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phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:


That was my point. That 2001 Sixers team is easily one of the worst teams to ever make the NBA Finals. Iverson and Larry Brown can't get enough praise for pulling off that feat of magic. That's as far from "pitiful" as it gets.
[Edited 12/2/09 3:05am]


I won't say their the worst team to make the NBA Finals especially
since you had a New York Knicks team minus Patrick Ewing to make
the finals not to long ago. Remember this Philly team had the best
record in the Eastern Conference that year and were on pace for the
best record in the league until Theo Ratliff got hurt. Dude was having
the best season of his career and may have been the defensive player of
the year. Once it was discovered Ratliff was done for the season,the team
was backed into a corner and had to trade for Motombo.Philly had to change
their philosophy somewhat to accomodate Motombo. Ratliff was probably not
as physical as Motombo but he was far more versatile and faster.
Motombo was slow and lawd once he got the ball in the paint and he put
the ball on the floor,it got ugly. Ratliff knew what to do with it once
he got it in the paint. Had Ratliff stayed healthy, this team would have
been among the best for a few more years.



...and that team gave the Lakers their only loss in the playoffs.
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Reply #80 posted 12/02/09 6:23am

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A.I. is BACK!!! The Sixers signed Iverson. He is now back with the team that drafted him.

Welcome back, Iverson. thumbs up!
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Reply #81 posted 12/02/09 6:24am

Graycap23

phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:


Better at what? Shooting 38% or winning?


Both.
smile
Doesn't AI have the highest scoring post season average
behind a recent hall of famer who also never met a shot
he didn't like. wink
[Edited 12/2/09 6:13am]

I don't get this. A.U. doesn't win.....and he can't shoot. Anyone in the NBA can toss up 25 shots a game.
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Reply #82 posted 12/02/09 6:40am

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Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


The ball was in his hands all the time, who was he gonna pass it too, Iric Snow, Aaron McKie, Matt Geiger. lol

So what is your EXCUSE 4 Denver?

So let me ask AGAIN.....what is your EXCUSE 4 Denver?




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Reply #83 posted 12/02/09 6:49am

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Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:



Both.
smile
Doesn't AI have the highest scoring post season average
behind a recent hall of famer who also never met a shot
he didn't like. wink
[Edited 12/2/09 6:13am]

I don't get this. A.U. doesn't win.....and he can't shoot. Anyone in the NBA can toss up 25 shots a game.


Dan Marino put up lots of stats but didn't win quote unquote "the
big one"but does that diminish his accomplishments on the field and
as a hall of fame player. Should we put Trent Dilfer in the hall of fame?
AI can't shoot? Damn could have fooled me,the guy has been a relentless
scoring machine in the NBA and he can't shoot. doh!
Look at the all time scoring leaders particularly in the post season.
The proof's in the pudding. I guess you have to take a lot of shots
if you're the only consistent shooting threat on your team.
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Reply #84 posted 12/02/09 6:54am

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phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:


I don't get this. A.U. doesn't win.....and he can't shoot. Anyone in the NBA can toss up 25 shots a game.


Dan Marino put up lots of stats but didn't win quote unquote "the
big one"but does that diminish his accomplishments on the field and
as a hall of fame player. Should we put Trent Dilfer in the hall of fame?

This discussion is about A.I.
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Reply #85 posted 12/02/09 6:55am

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Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:



Dan Marino put up lots of stats but didn't win quote unquote "the
big one"but does that diminish his accomplishments on the field and
as a hall of fame player. Should we put Trent Dilfer in the hall of fame?

This discussion is about A.I.


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Reply #86 posted 12/02/09 10:10am

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Wow, I know the fans are glad they kept theri Iverson 3 t-shirts. I love AI and I'm VERY happy he's back. biggrin
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Reply #87 posted 12/02/09 10:34am

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Dayclear said:

Wow, I know the fans are glad they kept theri Iverson 1 t-shirts. I love AI and I'm VERY happy he's back. biggrin


I'm happy too. The guy has something left in the tank. I hope he
makes all the naysayers eat crow.
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Reply #88 posted 12/02/09 10:37am

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Graycap23 said:

Graycap23 said:


So what is your EXCUSE 4 Denver?

So let me ask AGAIN.....what is your EXCUSE 4 Denver?




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AI's great, but he's a unique player that needs a team built around him, that won't mind him dominating the ball so much. That's why the 2000-01 Sixers had success.
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Reply #89 posted 12/02/09 10:38am

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AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:


.....and a lower WINNING % than Billups.

Coincidentally, Billups has been on better teams. Wait, that's not a coincidence at all.


Lost on all this is Billups meltdown in the Western Conference
Finals.After game 1,his game was virtually non existent. In the
final game they lost in Denver,he committed a flagrant foul against
one of the Lakers players at the end of the game. But we all know
that was AI fault too.
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