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Reply #60 posted 10/06/08 12:08pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

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Well, that's not entirely true. I once thought that myself. They knew certain things. They also didn't show something just because if they put it out there they knew at least at the time what they were going for. I think overall the "what is going on" has been known for a while, but the how to get there isn't. Don't take me wrong, NOW they know...and very few know the end point. But they haven't always known how things would play out and have course corrected" many times...a few tidbits..

They didn't know what was in the hatch at the time they thought it up/shot it. The original idea was that it was tomorrow land or something like that. Obviously anything dealing with Desmond is new yet somehow now very intrinsic to the outcome/story telling

Ben was supposed to be a small side character for only 3 episodes. Well, we know how that turned out lol

I do not think the switch up of stroy telling was thought from the beginning. I don't think they knew they were going to flash forward. Now who knows what time frame we'll be in.

Obviously they didn't predict that Nikki and Paulo were going to be so very hated by the fans(I loved their episode) when at the same time someone like Juliet would be a good addition to the story (I'm telling you it's all about how you introduce a character)

The writers stike helped ZERO and also their whole scheduling of the show was wack-a doo during season 3. That 6 episode "pod" was an interesting plot device but was entirely unneeded as the scheduling gaffes from the last two seasons were pretty much fixed as ABC got back to their 9/4/9 schedule for most of the shows.

So I think most things are vetted out with the timelines and tent poles, but they do leave a lot up to the writers.



That's propably true. Maybe you could put a spoiler warning before your post, though?

I don't even know who the writers are. I used to think those two guys, whose names escape me, are the only writers? Or are they just producers? There are SO many little hints in EVERY episode, I cannot understand how someone who does not know the direction of the show himself, could write an episode.


The Powers That Be (TPTB) are Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindeloff. If it's ever "official" it's from these guys. I believe that they make many of the plot decisions on the show. JJ has pretty much given full reign to these two. They sit in the offices in LA behind shuttered and locked closed doors.

Other players that are of equal importance would be Jack Bender and Bryan Burk. I think these are the on-island guys who make things happen on the show in Hawaii.

The main Writers are Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis. Brian K. Vaughn also scripts quite a few episodes. I know Lost used to have a slew of guest writers and director in the first 2 seasons, but now stick with some of the same ones to keep the tone.

The writing process, from what I hear is odd and challenging as they don't know future plots (no one does except for TPTB, Bender and probably Birk). And are given "the skeleton" of the episode and write around that. I think they stick to the same writers now is that the writers KNOW what's happened and oft times the guest writer would have to get up to speed with everything. I think I read that either Anthony or Edward know the actual end and Matthew Fox Knows it was well.

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Reply #61 posted 10/06/08 12:22pm

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Didn't Matthew Fox only sign up for the rest of the show because he was told how it would end?
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Reply #62 posted 10/06/08 1:39pm

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Didn't Matthew Fox only sign up for the rest of the show because he was told how it would end?


Not that I know of. I don't think they knew the end until just recently, at least it was announced they did recently. Fox (or as they call him Foxy) has been a huge advocate for the show and is in it for the long haul (I predict that his character will make it to the end of the show). The only thing I know about his character is that his Character was supposed to be killed in the Pilot, instead they killed the pilot of the plane.

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Reply #63 posted 10/06/08 1:45pm

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The only thing I know about his character is that his Character was supposed to be killed in the Pilot, instead they killed the pilot of the plane.



I've heard that as well, but I find it hard to believe. I mean, I have no idea if he was any famous before Lost, but an actor like him, with the looks and everything - it just does not seem likely to me that he was originaly only hired for the pilot. Hope I made myself clear. But what do I know anyway.
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Reply #64 posted 10/06/08 1:52pm

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From lostpedia.com:

In the commentary track on the Season 1 DVD, the producers explained that the character of Jack as the de facto leader of the survivors was intended to be killed off in "Pilot, Part 1" by the Monster, with Kate becoming the de facto leader. However, ABC executives and advisers to the producers convinced the writers and producers to keep him alive. They reasoned that killing him off, while a novel idea, generated feelings of betrayal, bewilderment, and anger in the audience. Instead, the pilot was written in and killed in Jack's place. Fox's portrayal of Jack as such a likable and noble character that audiences can relate to only helped solidify his survival and importance to the show.

* Michael Keaton was originally cast to play Jack. He left the production after it was decided that he wouldn't die in "Pilot, Part 1".
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Reply #65 posted 10/06/08 3:04pm

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From lostpedia.com:

In the commentary track on the Season 1 DVD, the producers explained that the character of Jack as the de facto leader of the survivors was intended to be killed off in "Pilot, Part 1" by the Monster, with Kate becoming the de facto leader. However, ABC executives and advisers to the producers convinced the writers and producers to keep him alive. They reasoned that killing him off, while a novel idea, generated feelings of betrayal, bewilderment, and anger in the audience. Instead, the pilot was written in and killed in Jack's place. Fox's portrayal of Jack as such a likable and noble character that audiences can relate to only helped solidify his survival and importance to the show.

* Michael Keaton was originally cast to play Jack. He left the production after it was decided that he wouldn't die in "Pilot, Part 1".


Lostpedia is awesome and a great place to look up LOST Stuff.

A few other tidbits..

Sun's Character was written entirely for Yun Jin Kim after she tried out for Kate's Character

Josh Holloway also went for the Jack Character and Jorge Garcia Tried out for Sawyer

This was Evagaline Lilly's first acting gig and she almost didn't make it out for the Pilot because of her work visa.

Daniel Dae Kim is American and barely knew any Korean before joining the show. He has an american accennt, which is weird to hear him talk as it is with Naveen Andrews who is British.

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Reply #66 posted 10/06/08 3:10pm

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Daniel Dae Kim is American and barely knew any Korean before joining the show.


he played a doctor on an episode of seinfeld! nod
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Reply #67 posted 10/06/08 3:11pm

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superspaceboy said:



Daniel Dae Kim is American and barely knew any Korean before joining the show.


he played a doctor on an episode of seinfeld! nod


wasn't he in spiderman too as one of doc oc's assistants?

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Reply #68 posted 10/06/08 3:16pm

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he played a doctor on an episode of seinfeld! nod


wasn't he in spiderman too as one of doc oc's assistants?



was he? all i know is i recently saw sarah silverman on a seinfeld rerun too. she's not a cast member of lost, but she totally should be.
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Reply #69 posted 10/06/08 3:17pm

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Anxiety said:

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wasn't he in spiderman too as one of doc oc's assistants?



was he? all i know is i recently saw sarah silverman on a seinfeld rerun too. she's not a cast member of lost, but she totally should be.



and so should Matt Damon..... nod
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Reply #70 posted 10/06/08 3:19pm

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wasn't he in spiderman too as one of doc oc's assistants?



was he? all i know is i recently saw sarah silverman on a seinfeld rerun too. she's not a cast member of lost, but she totally should be.


Elina Lowenstein as well then, who was the gymnast Jerry fantasised about.
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Reply #71 posted 10/06/08 3:32pm

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was he? all i know is i recently saw sarah silverman on a seinfeld rerun too. she's not a cast member of lost, but she totally should be.


Elina Lowenstein as well then, who was the gymnast Jerry fantasised about.


yes! i remember that well. who was the other big indie actress from the '90s? the one who was in "grace of my heart"? she was on seinfeld too.

neither of them were on lost, however. (stated so as not to jack the thread lol )
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Reply #72 posted 10/06/08 6:41pm

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MAJOR SPOILERS FOR SEASONS 2,3 and 4 and quite possibly 5 too!!!!!


superspaceboy said:

They didn't know what was in the hatch at the time they thought it up/shot it. The original idea was that it was tomorrow land or something like that. Obviously anything dealing with Desmond is new yet somehow now very intrinsic to the outcome/story telling.


How do you know this? Source? Desmond's story is almost too intricate to have been made up later on. I just realised recently that the reason he got kicked out of the army and sent to prison was because he "couldn't follow orders" (this was said in season two) AKA because he was time travelling as we saw in The Constant in season 4. That kind of detail simply cannot be accidental


Ben was supposed to be a small side character for only 3 episodes. Well, we know how that turned out lol


Wrong. There was always the concept of "fake Henry Gale" and "the leader". The writers were toying with the idea of the losties having caught the leader of the Others and when they saw how awesome Michael Emerson was, instead of killing off Henry Gale like they orginally planned, they merged the two characters into one. So the concept of Ben was always planned.

I do not think the switch up of story telling was thought from the beginning. I don't think they knew they were going to flash forward. Now who knows what time frame we'll be in.


I tend to think it might have been. A show so centered around flashbacks, it's hard not to imagine the writers considering flash forwards early in the process. They've said the end date reinvigorated them but they never said that's solely what inspired the idea of flashing forward.

This season is said to be told in a linear style with no flashback noise so it'll be harder to tell what we're watching. But that's unconfirmed.

Obviously they didn't predict that Nikki and Paulo were going to be so very hated by the fans(I loved their episode) when at the same time someone like Juliet would be a good addition to the story (I'm telling you it's all about how you introduce a character)


I loved Nikki/Paulo's episode too, although I was annoyed that Paulo found all those important things first instead of Locke and Eko. I agree with you here but again, there's no way to tell whether they planned it from the beginning or not. They planned Ben from the beginning so why not Nikki and Paulo? They toyed with the idea of secondary characters coming forward with Dr Arzt in season one so why not season three? People don't have enough faith that these people know what they're doing! lol

The writers stike helped ZERO and also their whole scheduling of the show was wack-a doo during season 3. That 6 episode "pod" was an interesting plot device but was entirely unneeded as the scheduling gaffes from the last two seasons were pretty much fixed as ABC got back to their 9/4/9 schedule for most of the shows.


Yeah, season three sucked. There were some good episodes but as a whole it's way too inconsistent. I thought season 2 was bad but rewatching it all has made me realise which is truly better quality. I think the strike was a curse and a blessing. We missed the stories of the freighter people, a lot of main characters didn't have as much screen time like Locke and Sawyer, the whole of season 4 seemed to revolve around Ben and Widmore and of course it was shorter. But it also allowed for things to really get going, no filler episodes like in season 3. Every episode was incredibly important to the overall story (except maybe the Juliet flashback, zzzzz.)

And no, Damon and Carlton are not the only writers. I have a picture of all the writers, there's about 14 or so, including Damon and Carlton. JJ Abrams left in season 2 I think, because he wanted to do movies.

Someone else was wondering when season 5 starts, end of January, I think. We will find out Danielle's back story and Ana Lucia is coming back for an episode as is Keamy and Gault.
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Reply #73 posted 10/07/08 9:27am

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Anxiety said:

superspaceboy said:



Daniel Dae Kim is American and barely knew any Korean before joining the show.


he played a doctor on an episode of seinfeld! nod


He was also a recurring agent on 24.

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Reply #74 posted 10/07/08 9:29am

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Anxiety said:

ZombieKitten said:



wasn't he in spiderman too as one of doc oc's assistants?



was he? all i know is i recently saw sarah silverman on a seinfeld rerun too. she's not a cast member of lost, but she totally should be.


Rouseau's lost lost crazy sister who's looking for the black rock. Or maybe she's also in the loony bin with Hurley.

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Reply #75 posted 10/07/08 9:31am

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Anxiety said:

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Elina Lowenstein as well then, who was the gymnast Jerry fantasised about.


yes! i remember that well. who was the other big indie actress from the '90s? the one who was in "grace of my heart"? she was on seinfeld too.

neither of them were on lost, however. (stated so as not to jack the thread lol )



You can jack this thread anytime!

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Reply #76 posted 10/07/08 9:38am

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purplesweat said:

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR SEASONS 2,3 and 4 and quite possibly 5 too!!!!!


superspaceboy said:

They didn't know what was in the hatch at the time they thought it up/shot it. The original idea was that it was tomorrow land or something like that. Obviously anything dealing with Desmond is new yet somehow now very intrinsic to the outcome/story telling.


How do you know this? Source? Desmond's story is almost too intricate to have been made up later on. I just realised recently that the reason he got kicked out of the army and sent to prison was because he "couldn't follow orders" (this was said in season two) AKA because he was time travelling as we saw in The Constant in season 4. That kind of detail simply cannot be accidental

+++ On the DVD commentary for S2, they mentioned it. It's also been in interviews. Trust me, even though it's intricate and they have continuity folks going over all of it, there are plenty of things that you can tell they didn't really know the exact. SOme things, yes. Other things no.


I loved Nikki/Paulo's episode too, although I was annoyed that Paulo found all those important things first instead of Locke and Eko. I agree with you here but again, there's no way to tell whether they planned it from the beginning or not. They planned Ben from the beginning so why not Nikki and Paulo? They toyed with the idea of secondary characters coming forward with Dr Arzt in season one so why not season three? People don't have enough faith that these people know what they're doing! lol

+++Nikki and Paulo were part of the concept of bringing the other losties from the background (who we never really see, except for Scott or Steve). They were thought of for just for the sake of bringing in new faces. Notice there really was no plot behind them. The 6 eps arc didn't really help that.

The writers stike helped ZERO and also their whole scheduling of the show was wack-a doo during season 3. That 6 episode "pod" was an interesting plot device but was entirely unneeded as the scheduling gaffes from the last two seasons were pretty much fixed as ABC got back to their 9/4/9 schedule for most of the shows.


Yeah, season three sucked. There were some good episodes but as a whole it's way too inconsistent. I thought season 2 was bad but rewatching it all has made me realise which is truly better quality. I think the strike was a curse and a blessing. We missed the stories of the freighter people, a lot of main characters didn't have as much screen time like Locke and Sawyer, the whole of season 4 seemed to revolve around Ben and Widmore and of course it was shorter. But it also allowed for things to really get going, no filler episodes like in season 3. Every episode was incredibly important to the overall story (except maybe the Juliet flashback, zzzzz.)

And no, Damon and Carlton are not the only writers. I have a picture of all the writers, there's about 14 or so, including Damon and Carlton. JJ Abrams left in season 2 I think, because he wanted to do movies.

Someone else was wondering when season 5 starts, end of January, I think. We will find out Danielle's back story and Ana Lucia is coming back for an episode as is Keamy and Gault.

We are trying to get tix to Hawaii for the Premiere. nod I know we're bad.[Edited 10/6/08 19:57pm]

[Edited 10/7/08 9:42am]

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Reply #77 posted 10/07/08 5:43pm

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superspaceboy said:

Anxiety said:



yes! i remember that well. who was the other big indie actress from the '90s? the one who was in "grace of my heart"? she was on seinfeld too.

neither of them were on lost, however. (stated so as not to jack the thread lol )



You can jack this thread anytime!


EW!

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Reply #78 posted 10/08/08 12:19pm

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purplesweat said:

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You can jack this thread anytime!


EW!



drool

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Reply #79 posted 10/08/08 9:10pm

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superspaceboy said:

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EW!



drool


talk to the hand



drool
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