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artpal said:

Emily, that brown haired one that was tricked, was told that it was about young women in the workplace. Some others that were tricked were told that they had a "special quality" that we were interested in and that I would tell them what it is during the interview. Before I started the interviews, I told them they could stop anytime they felt uncomfortable. However, I made them sign a release before we started the interview. Emily dropped out of the film out of fear (as portrayed by the trailer you saw) but I was able to use that little bit.

I had people refer these women to me if they thought they were "beautiful." I ignored my own opinions and interviewed anyone who was considered "beautiful" by many people around them.

Not all had to be tricked. The exotic dancer responded to an ad I put in the paper and I was pretty truthful in the ad. Joni, the one who describes herself as "insecure" is a friend of mine and did me a favor - so I had to be truthful from the start. She actually worked with Prince and she talks about that in the film.

I had to trick women who were more reluctant to talk about their own beauty. Those beautiful women never make it into the media precisely because of their discomfort with that attribute. I had to BEG the physician to stay in the film because I really wanted to have a beautiful professional so badly. Cool, huh?

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angelcat said:

interesting stuff.
well done.

artpal said:

Yeah I didn't find any of the women in that preview to be beautiful. Not ugly for sure, but not eye catchingly beautiful either

Arnotts said:

That's cool. Perhaps "everyday" beautiful women somehow look different than "models" that have makeup/hair teams, etc. But anyway, there are others who would disagree with you, from my experience. Here is a blog from my website:

The Definition of Beauty

Perhaps my biggest production challenge for "Beauty: In the Eyes of the Beheld" was choosing the women I would interview. The scientific and entertainment communities offer a framework with which we can begin to define human physical beauty. Within that framework, however, are widely varied interpretations of that definition; all influenced by time, culture, and individual preferences. I found that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, as the saying goes.

As I state in the film, I chose women who were referred to me by others who considered them "beautiful". That way, I would not be the only judge. I was surprised at the variety of looks that came my way. In fact, I ended up interviewing some women whom I personally did not consider beautiful. Sometimes I grew to see their beauty as time went on in the edit room. Other times, I never saw
it; but I believed they were "beautiful" because of the stories they told me.

During various stages of the editing, I asked small audiences to preview my film and give me feedback. Again, I was struck by the differing opinions about the women and their beauty. Even in the case of makeovers, perceptions clashed. Some women saw the beauty of one of the characters only when she wore make-up; whereas many men preferred that same woman without makeup. Furthermore; as the film progressed, the personalities of the women affected their perceived attractiveness.

As I continued interacting with audiences, I started to realize how contextual our perception of beauty is. A makeover may seem beautiful on the television screen, but unattractively artificial in real life. Similarly, a woman with no makeup can seem obviously beautiful in person yet markedly plain on the television screen. Ironically, many women try to emulate what they see in the media; which might be sabotaging their goal of being beautiful in everyday life. For example, the anorexic skinny look may seem beautiful in fashion magazines, but frighteningly unattractive in real life.

Since my goal was to document real life rather than media created portraits of beauty, some of the beautiful women in my film may take some getting used to. Others will appear strikingly gorgeous right off the bat. Of course, that would depend on who you are.

artpal said:

It has nothing to do with hair and make up. Lots of average looking women do their hair and make up and although more beautiful then what they were before still aren't beautiful. Even a really beautiful girl will look better with make up and hair done. I don't know how it is for guys, but I can still see whos naturally beautiful and whos average from girls caked on with make up. But yes I definitely agree with the rest written on the blog

There's women that look better "WITHOUT" make-up than they do "WITH" it. Believe me, I've seen them before. Sometimes, cosmetic appliance can serve as pure, non-necessitated redundancy.
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Arnotts said:

don't scientists say that we are most attracted to people who have symmetrical faces.
but usually people like that end up being boring looking. i personally think that you can find 'beauty' in anyone.

angelcat said:

I think symmetry of the face is an indication of good health and good genes.

Arnotts said:

I agree, makeup doesn't make someone beautiful.

http://www.google.com/img...image&cd=1

What do you think of these celebrities without their makeup?

artpal said:

To me they look exactly the same....except in one pic they have make up and nice lighting and the other they are snapped with a face they probably made for a split second.

JustErin said:

Yeah, it´s not the lact of make-up making them look worse, it´s the funny faces that they are making...

Anxiety said:

Last night I had trouble sleeping and a thought came to mind: OMG you're right! She does have a moccasin face!

JessieJ said:

I thought so too until I watched the collection of his more obscure acting roles... he is really excellent in fight club

ZAUBERFLOTE said:

Wait, you're not calling Fight Club obscure, are you? That's probably his most well known role. It's definitely his best film AFAIC.

The kids get Johnny, especially on the willi wonka thing.

they get em, but when they have never beeen there.


....futile effort.