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PrintableNDRU said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I really think you are completely wrong about this. She has a history of being involved in animals and made a choice she thought was going to work for her and it ended up not working. She did the responsible thing by finding the dog a home instead of keeping it and neglecting it. but she shouldn't have adopted it in the first place unless she was ready to care for it. That's all the rules try to ensure. But like I said above, I would make an exception if I was them. She thought she was ready and the animal demanded more time and energy than she could provide. She made a mistake. Is she not allowed that?  She was being responsible and that shelter is the one who is out of line here. They just yank that dog without even trying to find out how things are going. They are probably so fanatical about this "rule" that they won't even consider give that family the dog because they are a part of this "broken rule".
Believe me, these fanatics sometimes no no bounds. My ex roommate and I adopted 2 kittens that were going to be put to sleep if the owner could not find homes and we were responsible with them and kept them indoors and once when we had to both leave, we asked our landlady to check in on them a couple times till we returned later in the night and she took them down to her apartment instead and they got infested with fleas. We tried to get rid of them but they got in our carpets and I was too broke to afford a flea dip for both and took them to the shelter and the woman's first reaction when I approached her about getting some help from them with the flea issue was for her to get in my face and yell at me about being irresponsible and shit. I yelled right back that if I was irresponsible I wouldn't have even bothered to try and help my cats. We thought we could trust our landlord and it turns out we couldn't. People make mistakes but these organizations and volunteers need to calm the fuck down and not chop people's heads off and ask questions later..... . [Edited 10/16/07 15:25pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: veronikka said:  So sad and like most of you, I just don't get why the other family couldn't adopt the dog???They probably can. Remember, this just happened yesterday, right? But they still made a scene with the family and the girls. They could tell if the dog was being abused or not and if not they could have conducted the trade in ownership WITHOUT the chaos. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: They probably can. Remember, this just happened yesterday, right? But they still made a scene with the family and the girls. They could tell if the dog was being abused or not and if not they could have conducted the trade in ownership WITHOUT the chaos. Exactly and if someone like ELLEN could not convince them...they must be mean! I hope after all this..the girls get the dog back..I know how it is to grow attached to a pet only for it to be taken away...it's heartbreaking! .. Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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JustErin said: veronikka said: So sad and like most of you, I just don't get why the other family couldn't adopt the dog???They probably can. Remember, this just happened yesterday, right? Just the way Ellen was crying and pleading it seemed like it was almost impossible for the family to get the dog, hopefully they are able to adopt it. Rhythm floods my heart♥The melody it feeds my soul | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: They probably can. Remember, this just happened yesterday, right? But they still made a scene with the family and the girls. They could tell if the dog was being abused or not and if not they could have conducted the trade in ownership WITHOUT the chaos. Actually, you have no idea how that whole thing went down. All you know is that they took the dog. Maybe they talked about the procedures to get it back with the family. Maybe they were as sensitive as they could be while keeping to their policy. The response to these people, who deal with neglect and abuse in ways most people could never imagine, being fanatical or ruthless is just down right silly. Like I said, they have policies and rules and those rules were broken. I really don't see why they are being called fanatics because they have rules and regulations that are in place to protect the animals. I say they get the dog back once they go through the proper adoption procedures. | |
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JustErin said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: But they still made a scene with the family and the girls. They could tell if the dog was being abused or not and if not they could have conducted the trade in ownership WITHOUT the chaos. Actually, you have no idea how that whole thing went down. All you know is that they took the dog. Maybe they talked about the procedures to get it back with the family. Maybe they were as sensitive as they could be while keeping to their policy. The response to these people, who deal with neglect and abuse in ways most people could never imagine, being fanatical or ruthless is just down right silly. Like I said, they have policies and rules and those rules were broken. I really don't see why they are being called fanatics because they have rules and regulations that are in place to protect the animals. I say they get the dog back once they go through the proper adoption procedures. It's not silly and no I don't know how they dealt with it but if Ellen is in that state, it suggests that things weren't proceeding in a rational manner on the other end. I have dealt with these agencies and people many times before and 9 times out of 10 they are out of control. Speaking from experience. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: NDRU said: but she shouldn't have adopted it in the first place unless she was ready to care for it. That's all the rules try to ensure. But like I said above, I would make an exception if I was them. She thought she was ready and the animal demanded more time and energy than she could provide. She made a mistake. Is she not allowed that? She was being responsible and that shelter is the one who is out of line here. They just yank that dog without even trying to find out how things are going. They are probably so fanatical about this "rule" that they won't even consider give that family the dog because they are a part of this "broken rule".
Believe me, these fanatics sometimes no no bounds. My ex roommate and I adopted 2 kittens that were going to be put to sleep if the owner could not find homes and we were responsible with them and kept them indoors and once when we had to both leave, we asked our landlady to check in on them a couple times till we returned later in the night and she took them down to her apartment instead and they got infested with fleas. We tried to get rid of them but they got in our carpets and I was too broke to afford a flea dip for both and took them to the shelter and the woman's first reaction when I approached her about getting some help from them with the flea issue was for her to get in my face and yell at me about being irresponsible and shit. I yelled right back that if I was irresponsible I wouldn't have even bothered to try and help my cats. We thought we could trust our landlord and it turns out we couldn't. People make mistakes but these organizations and volunteers need to calm the fuck down and not chop people's heads off and ask questions later..... . [Edited 10/16/07 15:25pm] anyone with a history of helping animals (like everyone's saying she has) should know the commitment that a dog takes I said it before, I'd make an exception in this case. But they (just like Ellen & you) have the animal's best interests in mind. People will adopt animals and then set them free in the woods or chain them to a pole because they decide they don't want to take care of them anymore. That happens much more often than a rich person finds a great home for a dog. Maybe they made a mistake (just like Ellen did). I'd much rather the shelters err on the side of protecting the animal than just say "oh, do whatever you like with it!" [Edited 10/16/07 15:36pm] My Legacy
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: Actually, you have no idea how that whole thing went down. All you know is that they took the dog. Maybe they talked about the procedures to get it back with the family. Maybe they were as sensitive as they could be while keeping to their policy. The response to these people, who deal with neglect and abuse in ways most people could never imagine, being fanatical or ruthless is just down right silly. Like I said, they have policies and rules and those rules were broken. I really don't see why they are being called fanatics because they have rules and regulations that are in place to protect the animals. I say they get the dog back once they go through the proper adoption procedures. It's not silly and no I don't know how they dealt with it but if Ellen is in that state, it suggests that things weren't proceeding in a rational manner on the other end. I have dealt with these agencies and people many times before and 9 times out of 10 they are out of control. Speaking from experience. Well, I am speaking from experience as well and I know exactly what kind of horrors shelters see and in no way do I see them as being fanatical or out of control. I see it as Ellen being in that state because she is a sensitive and caring person who had the best intentions but realizes that she made a mistake and feels absolutely terrible about it...and she said that herself. I don't see it as her being upset because of how the situation was handled. She wants to make it right and wants to make everyone happy again...and I don't blame her. | |
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JustErin said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It's not silly and no I don't know how they dealt with it but if Ellen is in that state, it suggests that things weren't proceeding in a rational manner on the other end. I have dealt with these agencies and people many times before and 9 times out of 10 they are out of control. Speaking from experience. Well, I am speaking from experience as well and I know exactly what kind of horrors shelters see and in no way do I see them as being fanatical or out of control. I see it as Ellen being in that state because she is a sensitive and caring person who had the best intentions but realizes that she made a mistake and feels absolutely terrible about it...and she said that herself. I don't see it as her being upset because of how the situation was handled. She wants to make it right and wants to make everyone happy again...and I don't blame her. Well I'm not saying that all shelters/volunteers = fanatics, but my experience with both has been mainly negative because of the level of fanaticism. My roommate was just like that. She would act and then ask questions later. Nothing wrong with caring but some animal lovers become irrational because of that love and I have seen it firsthand. You've had the fairy tale experiences, well good for you. I haven't. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: Well, I am speaking from experience as well and I know exactly what kind of horrors shelters see and in no way do I see them as being fanatical or out of control. I see it as Ellen being in that state because she is a sensitive and caring person who had the best intentions but realizes that she made a mistake and feels absolutely terrible about it...and she said that herself. I don't see it as her being upset because of how the situation was handled. She wants to make it right and wants to make everyone happy again...and I don't blame her. Well I'm not saying that all shelters/volunteers = fanatics, but my experience with both has been mainly negative because of the level of fanaticism. My roommate was just like that. She would act and then ask questions later. Nothing wrong with caring but some animal lovers become irrational because of that love and I have seen it firsthand. You've had the fairy tale experiences, well good for you. I haven't. 
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You're such an extremist, Supa. | |
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I feel badly for Ellen
I understand that the shelter has rules for a reason, but here's the thing... Shelters main reason for operating is to find good homes for animals. The shelter has "rules & regulations" - these are not laws and I am sure they could have worked something out with the family & Ellen in the best interest of the dog. I truely believe that it was an oversite on Ellen's part and she was doing what was best for the dog. Anyone who loves animals knows that it takes no time at all to bond with them - and the last thing you want is for one to end up (or go back to) a shelter. ~When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours~ | |
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JustErin said: You're such an extremist, Supa.
And you're Canadian.....too nice  Just imagine what I'm like when I'm really pissed and irrational
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MuaPetahl said: I feel badly for Ellen
I understand that the shelter has rules for a reason, but here's the thing... Shelters main reason for operating is to find good homes for animals. The shelter has "rules & regulations" - these are not laws and I am sure they could have worked something out with the family & Ellen in the best interest of the dog. EXACTFREAKINACTLY ! That is why my stance towards the shelter is the way it is because the goal was achieved and the puppy had a home and instead of seeing the forest through the trees, they were so fucking focused on the finger pointing at the moon that they didn't even see the moon! I just know they are not innocent in this 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: I love Ellen!!!!! I think she may be one of the few genuine people in Hollywood.
I'm proud to say that I'm one of the people that have danced with her. She's so giving. [Edited 10/16/07 15:07pm] Having actually worked on a job for her, I'm going to have to burst your bubble and let you know that Ellen is the biggest phony in Hollywood. The way she treated the work crew was unacceptable. She's a mean bitch. And I saw her on a good day! Her whole schtick makes me sick...it's all an act folks...nothing genuine about it. 
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TheResistor said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: I love Ellen!!!!! I think she may be one of the few genuine people in Hollywood.
I'm proud to say that I'm one of the people that have danced with her. She's so giving. [Edited 10/16/07 15:07pm] Having actually worked on a job for her, I'm going to have to burst your bubble and let you know that Ellen is the biggest phony in Hollywood. The way she treated the work crew was unacceptable. She's a mean bitch. And I saw her on a good day! Her whole schtick makes me sick...it's all an act folks...nothing genuine about it. Maybe I owe that Canadian an apology  Oh well, I still say the agency is psycho 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MuaPetahl said: I feel badly for Ellen
I understand that the shelter has rules for a reason, but here's the thing... Shelters main reason for operating is to find good homes for animals. The shelter has "rules & regulations" - these are not laws and I am sure they could have worked something out with the family & Ellen in the best interest of the dog. EXACTFREAKINACTLY ! That is why my stance towards the shelter is the way it is because the goal was achieved and the puppy had a home sure, maybe, but can you just assume that? What if it was a human baby, and they go through all the screening processes, only to find that when they check on the baby, the person says "I gave her to a good home." Is that good enough? Nobody assumes the shelters are perfect, or that Ellen had cruel intentions. But the fact that she tried to help without really thinking it through means she really didn't help at all. And to her credit, she admitted it freely, taking all the blame. Who wants to bet this puppy is already back at her hairdresser's house and we're arguing for nothing? My Legacy
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MuaPetahl said: I feel badly for Ellen
I understand that the shelter has rules for a reason, but here's the thing... Shelters main reason for operating is to find good homes for animals. The shelter has "rules & regulations" - these are not laws and I am sure they could have worked something out with the family & Ellen in the best interest of the dog. EXACTFREAKINACTLY ! That is why my stance towards the shelter is the way it is because the goal was achieved and the puppy had a home and instead of seeing the forest through the trees, they were so fucking focused on the finger pointing at the moon that they didn't even see the moon! I just know they are not innocent in this Supa! You know I love you but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. As a dog lover, you know I'm all about the rules and no matter how fanatical these workers may or may not have been I'm still for following the rules. Ellen just decided that the dog was too much and gave it away (something that happens daily). If you're a pet lover you know that they take a lot of time to train. And people at these agencies go over this information ad naseum. Dogs and cats are just thrown away, or given away because people don't realize the commitment and they think it's just easier to give it away... Besides, Ellen is such a phony. Why can't people see past her whole obnoxious routine...
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: You're such an extremist, Supa.
And you're Canadian.....too nice Just imagine what I'm like when I'm really pissed and irrational
. [Edited 10/16/07 15:58pm] For real though, Richard. It's probably not so much of us having different experiences as it is us interpreting things differently....I think anyway You see it as the "we're just trying to help and have best intentions and for that we are being punished" and I see it as people should not get into something (good intentions or not) if they are not totally prepared financially, emotionally and available time-wise. There is no need to be condescending towards me simply because we have different perceptions of the way things are. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: TheResistor said: Having actually worked on a job for her, I'm going to have to burst your bubble and let you know that Ellen is the biggest phony in Hollywood. The way she treated the work crew was unacceptable. She's a mean bitch. And I saw her on a good day! Her whole schtick makes me sick...it's all an act folks...nothing genuine about it. Maybe I owe that Canadian an apology Oh well, I still say the agency is psycho Oh shit! I just saw this after I replied! | |
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JustErin said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Maybe I owe that Canadian an apology Oh well, I still say the agency is psycho Oh shit! I just saw this after I replied! Whateve Erin! Condescending! 
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And that makes 50+!!! replies to Ellen's pussy dilemma! | |
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PANDURITO said: And that makes 50+!!! replies to Ellen's pussy dilemma!
So some good was achieved here. Nobody can argue otherwise! My Legacy
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NDRU said: PANDURITO said: And that makes 50+!!! replies to Ellen's pussy dilemma!
So some good was achieved here. Nobody can argue otherwise!  We're all so  | |
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NDRU said: PANDURITO said: And that makes 50+!!! replies to Ellen's pussy dilemma!
So some good was achieved here. Nobody can argue otherwise! Do I owe you an apology too?  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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What Ellen done was wrong she should have contacted the rescue centre and told them.
Just now we are only hearing one side of the story, I wonder if when the rescue centre visited the new owners if they did a home visit and decided the home wasnt good enough as this sound all very strange. Rescue centres only want a animal to have a forever home.  I hope the rescue centre explains why they did what they did as this sounds all very strange at the moment 2 me. Ellen made a big mistake but the dog should not be the one that pays for her mistake I do hope a happy ending happens here for the dogs sake. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: NDRU said: So some good was achieved here. Nobody can argue otherwise! Do I owe you an apology too?  no, but thank you for considering it!
We can all agree we want that doggie to have a happy home, right? My Legacy
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NDRU said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: EXACTFREAKINACTLY ! That is why my stance towards the shelter is the way it is because the goal was achieved and the puppy had a home sure, maybe, but can you just assume that? What if it was a human baby, and they go through all the screening processes, only to find that when they check on the baby, the person says "I gave her to a good home." Is that good enough? Nobody assumes the shelters are perfect, or that Ellen had cruel intentions. But the fact that she tried to help without really thinking it through means she really didn't help at all. And to her credit, she admitted it freely, taking all the blame. Who wants to bet this puppy is already back at her hairdresser's house and we're arguing for nothing? LOL well there is a BIG difference between babies and puppies. They don't "destroy" human babies if they cannot find homes for them. Alot of shelters do put healthy adoptable animals down - a co-worker adopted a cat and then found out it was pregnant, they then wanted to take it back to kill the babies!!! After alot of fights & tears he & his wife were able to keep their cat with its kittens. (And eventually got an apology from the shelter). People should question shelters! ~When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours~ | |
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