another one. another freaking shooting at a school. where are the parents? why are more and more kids shooting up their schools?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21224357/

Freedom to bear arms!

you think that's it? really?

there's no freedom for 14 year olds to bear arms. he broke the law. he obviously was going to get a gun whether they are legal or not. in fact, it looks to be a gun that stopped him from harming more people.

no, its not the fact that we have freedom to bear arms. its the fact that people are not teaching their children morals.

sassybritches said:

If everyone were taught morals from the outset no one would buy guns

Calling Psychodelicide! Calling Psychodelicide! Do we know WHERE in the city this happened?

Steadwood said:

i own a gun. if you come in my house uninvited and i feel threatened, you will be shot. that, my friend, is not about morals but about protection.

Lammastide said:

success tech high school on lakeside avenue.

Steadwood said:

Or rather, if everyone were taught morals from the outset there would be no NEED to buy guns...

the kid was suspended. he came to school and shot three students, two teachers. kids speaking to reporters are saying he was not wrapped too tight, got beat up by some kids, came back today and shot the kids.

they sure did find the most poorly spoken person to get on camera, though. just a side note.

sassybritches said:

And that gives you licence to shoot another human being?

sassybritches said:

Very troublesome.As if this sort of thing weren't bad anywhere, Cleveland Public is certainly not a district that ready to deal with the fallout of this sort of thing. How sad for all parties involved.
[Edited 10/10/07 12:06pm]

Byron said:

er ... yes..... That too

Steadwood said:

actually, it's the 2nd amendment of this nation's constitution that gives me license to protect myself through the use of arms. i'm not talking about going out on the street and shooting, i'm talking about protecting myself in my own home.

furthermore, perhaps if people were permitted to carry handguns on their person, someone would have shot this kid before he shot a second or third or fourth or fifth person.

Lammastide said:

its VERY troublesome.

kids have fought on the playground since school was invented. what is it about our society today, what is so different in the school and home environment today, that handling playground disputes results in gunfire?
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sassybritches said:

The second ammendment is about militias and not about your right to own a firearm.

sassybritches said:

I'm afraid the mentality of US law defies me... if Guns aren't present in the first place no one actually needs one

Prevention is far better than a cure.

It's pretty worrying

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

read the whole thing and stop trying to discuss the 2nd amendment piecemeal. in addition to referencing militias, the 2nd amendment also prohibits congress from infringing on "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

you should buy yourself a little pocket constitution. it comes in handy ALL the time!

sassybritches said:

You are refering to the kids who punked that kid up right?

Steadwood said:

who do YOU think will get guns if they are illegal? if law abiding citizens can't get guns, who does that leave left to get guns?

are you aware of something called the black market? drugs are illegal but they are readily available to those who choose to break the law.

the last thing anyone needs is a law that 1) is unconstitutional and 2) gives law abiding citizens no way to protect themselves from criminals who will no doubt purchase their weapons from on the black market.

sassybritches said:

In the 1700s you could speak about the population in such regard because you only had a small population and the 2nd ammendment was about miltias made up of the people simply because that is how one would have been made up in such a rag tag formation of a nation. You need to stop reading shit into that amendment that aint there. It's about militias and not the general population.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

so now you've taken to blaming the victim?

i'm referring to the whole scene, supa.

but no, i'm not going to blame the victims, thank you very much. fights happen. kids fight, its part of life. kids should be taught not to fight but they should damn well be taught NOT to kill if they do get beat up on the playground.

typo edit, whoops!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You reminded me of this Op Ed piece I read recently...

http://blogs.usatoday.com...-lame.html

sassybritches said:

Well why did you create this thread then

sassybritches said:

They are illegal here and I certainly don't feel the need to own one for my protection... I might if they were legal though.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

read the bill of rights, supa. its all there for you.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

it is addressing a militia and the individual. period.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

my bad. i fixed my little omission.

sassybritches said:

Dad: "How was school today, Billy?"
Son: "I got beat up at recess again..."
Dad: "Did you tell your teacher about it?"
Son: "No. I killed him instead."
Dad: "Good boy. Go wash your hands for dinner."

sassybritches said:

The right of the people AS A MILITIA. That's what that means.

Steadwood said:

that's wonderful for wherever you live. the US, however, doesn't live by other nations' societal situation.

first of all, it's our right as a citizen to have weapons. the point of having a written constitution is to refer to it when creating your laws.

second of all, you can't go back even if you wanted to. the bottom line is there are guns in america. you won't get rid of them just by making them illegal. all you'll do it boost an already thriving underground, illegal gun market.