ThatWhiteDude said:

Free2BMe said:

Let me correct you: Michael did NOT generalize a WHOLE GENDER. Where the hell did that mess come from? So are you saying that Prince generalized a whole gender just because he made Darlin Niki? Michael didn’t generalize a whole gender with Diana any more than Prince did with Darling Niki, and you people wonder why MJ fans respond to your BS. Please tell me HOW Dirty Diana or even Billie Jean generalized a WHOLE GENDER. Btw, don’t make up crap, because that’s what you people usually do when you don’t have anything to back your rhetoric up.

So are you saying Liberian Girl, In The Closet. Pretty Young Thing, Butterflies, Break of Dawn,
She’s Out Of My Life, etc. also GENERALIZED a WHOLE GENDER? Ftr, I know Michael didn’t write every song that I listed, however, those were HIS songs on HIS album.

If you are going to claim that MJ generalized a WHOLE GENDER, then you need to come up with something other than YOUR feelings or opinion and explain why you claim MJs songs generalized a WHOLE GENDER and not Prince’s songs.You can’t naive enough
come up with this kind of rhetoric and not expect to be challenged.😎
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How old are ya? You react like a hot headed teenager did you even read the whole post? Listen to the shmuley tapes and tell me how it isn't a generalization of a whole gender when he says that women bring men down just because of the thing between their legs.

It's funny though. I still listen to MJ's music but stans like you are the main reason why I'm not engaging with that base anymore.

Like I said. Prince did have some very questionable lyrics as well and I'll gladly call his ass out on it and most other prince fans wouldn't give a shit. Hell they'd shit on him too just for good measure, it's one of the things prince got ahead of MJ fans. It's nearly impossible to critize the good old moonwalker without his army bitching you out for it.

You get the sense it was one-sided for awhile, Jacko seethed about Prince after the humiliation of that ping-pong game and I always felt like Dangerous was a response to P albums during the 87-90 period. There were a lot of tracks that seemed like a direct response to Batman and the embarrassing Graffiti Bridge - even as he aped his sister, he got Teddy Riley to show how engineered NJS production could break a speaker compared to the doofy GB line-in sound. I think it shifted in the 90s though, The Gold Experience was a grand retaliation.

Vannormal said:

TrivialPursuit said:

For fuck's sake. I give up.

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Have a beer too.

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Going for the hard stuff.

TrivialPursuit said:

For fuck's sake. I give up.

"You knew what you were doing. You wanted us all to be abuzz."

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SantanaMaitreya said:

Free2BMe said:

😂😂 Are you on drugs? In Darling Niki, Prince is calling her a sex fiend and says she’s masturbating with a magazine, etc. In other words he is shitting on this woman. He is being misogynistic. In Dirty Diana, Michael is describing a groupie who wants to have sex with him. She does everything to seduce him and finally Michael relents by calling his girlfriend/wife and tells her to “unlock the door” and leave it open because he will be late coming home. In the background you hear Diana say ..”because he’s sleeping with me”. I don’t find those lyrics misogynistic. Maybe YOU are just looking for ANYTHING to criticize or find fault. I do know that I find the song and video for Dirty Diana, sexy as hell. The live performance for the BAD tour was even sexier. Btw, I also like Prince’s performance of Darling Niki from the Purple Rain movie. Stop trying to tear down Michael, in order to elevate Prince. It makes you seem immature and insecure. 😎 [Edited 11/4/21 14:20pm]

Both songs are about a femme fatale who seduces the man. In Prince's case, she simply asks if he wants to grind and he does and becomes obsessed with her. In Jackson's case she is more agressive and he runs away from her. Whatever that says about the two men, I don't know, but I think there's nothing wrong with comparing two songs with a more or less similar theme.

Interestingly enough, they were both written around the same time

MJ wrote Dirty Diana originally in 1983 (registered with the US Copyright Office) and kept working on it until '87 when it was released. IIRC, it was originally more dance oriented before becoming more rock.

RODSERLING said:

PatrickS77 said:

Nobody "knew", except for assholes, who wanted him to fail. Also it was not the shows or rehearsals that killed him, it was his quack doctor that killed him. Had he not been killed by his quack doctor, there is no reason to believe that he wouldn't have done 27 shows in 3 months in '09 and 23 shows in 2 months in '10. And for whatever bullshit that supposedly came out at the AEG trial is just that. BULLSHIT. If Michael Jackson knew anything, it was the fact that his fans would show up in droves, like they always did, wherever he went, even at his lowest times. And no, that crowd at O2 was not rented. And really, it's offensive to even suggest such a thing.

Please, take a Valium amd relax yourself. YOU are an asshole, insulting my dead mother, who had absolutely nothing against MJ by the way, and in the end was proven right. She just pitied him, cause he looked very miserable. He was obviously under substance that day, and this substance appeared to be a whole bottle of vodka. MJ ASKED a rented crowd. Proof : the intern mails at AEG, questioning MJ's psychological state of mind, and their testimony during the 2013 trial. They all believed from the very beginning at AEG it was improbable he could stand the shows, but they got away with it because as an official at AEG wrote " If he can do the show, that's good. If he can't do it that's good too. Either way, it will be profitable to us". I never said they ACTUALLY rented a crowd. Of course they were shocked of the demand and tried to reassure MJ. Please, learn to read correctly, and stop insulting others because of your ignorance. [Edited 11/4/21 8:44am]

Can you cite a source about the rented crowd because I followed the AEG trial and I don't remember anything about a rented crowd

I also don't remember anything about him saying "nobody would pay to see a 50 years old man doing the moonwalk". I remember it being said he went into a state of self loathing and doubt before he got to the arena for the announcement but I do not remember anything about that particular comment being made.

RODSERLING said:

PatrickS77 said:

Nobody "knew", except for assholes, who wanted him to fail. Also it was not the shows or rehearsals that killed him, it was his quack doctor that killed him. Had he not been killed by his quack doctor, there is no reason to believe that he wouldn't have done 27 shows in 3 months in '09 and 23 shows in 2 months in '10. And for whatever bullshit that supposedly came out at the AEG trial is just that. BULLSHIT. If Michael Jackson knew anything, it was the fact that his fans would show up in droves, like they always did, wherever he went, even at his lowest times. And no, that crowd at O2 was not rented. And really, it's offensive to even suggest such a thing.

Please, take a Valium amd relax yourself. YOU are an asshole, insulting my dead mother, who had absolutely nothing against MJ by the way, and in the end was proven right. She just pitied him, cause he looked very miserable. He was obviously under substance that day, and this substance appeared to be a whole bottle of vodka. MJ ASKED a rented crowd. Proof : the intern mails at AEG, questioning MJ's psychological state of mind, and their testimony during the 2013 trial. They all believed from the very beginning at AEG it was improbable he could stand the shows, but they got away with it because as an official at AEG wrote " If he can do the show, that's good. If he can't do it that's good too. Either way, it will be profitable to us". I never said they ACTUALLY rented a crowd. Of course they were shocked of the demand and tried to reassure MJ. Please, learn to read correctly, and stop insulting others because of your ignorance. [Edited 11/4/21 8:44am]

Can you cite a source about the rented crowd because I followed the AEG trial and I don't remember anything about a rented crowd

I also don't remember anything about him saying "nobody would pay to see a 50 years old man doing the moonwalk". I remember it being said he went into a state of self loathing and doubt before he got to the arena for the announcement but I do not remember anything about that particular comment being made.

bboy87 said:

Free2BMe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

How old are ya? You react like a hot headed teenager did you even read the whole post? Listen to the shmuley tapes and tell me how it isn't a generalization of a whole gender when he says that women bring men down just because of the thing between their legs. It's funny though. I still listen to MJ's music but stans like you are the main reason why I'm not engaging with that base anymore. Like I said. Prince did have some very questionable lyrics as well and I'll gladly call his ass out on it and most other prince fans wouldn't give a shit. Hell they'd shit on him too just for good measure, it's one of the things prince got ahead of MJ fans. It's nearly impossible to critize the good old moonwalker without his army bitching you out for it.

The bottomline is that I don’t agree with YOUR assessment that Michael GENERALIZED a WHOLE GENDER. Am I supposed to agree with what you said, as if you are ENTITLED to say what you want? You people are so hypocritical. You say what you want; yet, when someone disagrees with you, you get whiny or pissy. How old are YOU? You sound like a child who doesn’t get his or her way. Get over it, if I don’t agree with you or anyone else, I going to say it. GROW UP!

I never said you had to agree with me. I really don't give a shit. It's you who gets their panties up in a bunch over some internet discussion.

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Free2BMe said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:

Free2BMe said:

Prince and Rick were the two that were always trying to outdo each other with each album and after "Purple Rain" happened, hell, that was the end of that feud because Rick could never top that. I still don't understand the Prince and Michael comparisons though other than the fact that they were both gay. But hell, even as gay men, they were the exact opposites. Prince was a slut and a whore and Michael was innocent and pure. Hell, Michael was classy, he was a lady. As for jealousy though, I do recall a certain one of them never having straight hair until the 1990s though and also naming not one, but two of his sons after the other one.

vainandy said:

EmmaMcG said:

vainandy said:

Prince and Rick were the two that were always trying to outdo each other with each album and after "Purple Rain" happened, hell, that was the end of that feud because Rick could never top that. I still don't understand the Prince and Michael comparisons though other than the fact that they were both gay. But hell, even as gay men, they were the exact opposites. Prince was a slut and a whore and Michael was innocent and pure. Hell, Michael was classy, he was a lady. As for jealousy though, I do recall a certain one of them never having straight hair until the 1990s though and also naming not one, but two of his sons after the other one.

But neither man was gay

vainandy said:

Prince and Rick were the two that were always trying to outdo each other with each album and after "Purple Rain" happened, hell, that was the end of that feud because Rick could never top that. I still don't understand the Prince and Michael comparisons though other than the fact that they were both gay. But hell, even as gay men, they were the exact opposites. Prince was a slut and a whore and Michael was innocent and pure. Hell, Michael was classy, he was a lady. As for jealousy though, I do recall a certain one of them never having straight hair until the 1990s though and also naming not one, but two of his sons after the other one.

Rick who

alphastreet said:

James obviously

I'm just glad I'm too tired to go crazy over the "obviously" remark.

Honestly? Rick MJ and Prince were ALWAYS non factors to each other.

For all I know and for all you know the reference in the thread could be about Slick Rick. Rick Springfield. Rick Moranus. Rick Stevens. ......

heartpeacesheart said:

EmmaMcG said:

heartpeacesheart said:

For all I know and for all you know the reference in the thread could be about Slick Rick. Rick Springfield. Rick Moranus. Rick Stevens. ......

I think you meant Rick Moranis. I've never heard of Rick Moranus. But he sounds like a bit of an asshole

I probably did actually but just typed it phonetically too fast.

heartpeacesheart said:

vainandy said:

Prince and Rick were the two that were always trying to outdo each other with each album and after "Purple Rain" happened, hell, that was the end of that feud because Rick could never top that. I still don't understand the Prince and Michael comparisons though other than the fact that they were both gay. But hell, even as gay men, they were the exact opposites. Prince was a slut and a whore and Michael was innocent and pure. Hell, Michael was classy, he was a lady. As for jealousy though, I do recall a certain one of them never having straight hair until the 1990s though and also naming not one, but two of his sons after the other one.

Anyway, that paragraph is special edition celebrity magazine publishing style at its best. I say that because it reminds me of one I had in the 80's that begged the question was MJ trying to steal Appolonia from Prince. If the words aren't enough, the positioning of the photos put it over the top.

And the other thing is, how do you know I didn't mean the character Moranus, y'all act like you don't know anything about worldofwarcraft and that's fine because I don't but I'm starting to want to get into creating some graphic art stuff so it's right up my alley. I'm gonna call mine "planetofpeaceart".