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But those 6 songs on Dangerous are better. YRMW is not great, it's alright and 2000 Watts sucks. Why you wanna trip on me, Keep the faith, Heal the world and Black or white are just as good or better than some of those mentioned Invincible songs. | |
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PatrickS77 said:
But those 6 songs on Dangerous are better. YRMW is not great, it's alright and 2000 Watts sucks. Why you wanna trip on me, Keep the faith, Heal the world and Black or white are just as good or better than some of those mentioned Invincible songs. Speak for yourself Patrick, I would choose YRMW over 90% of Dangerous. | |
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I would rank yrmw up with dangerous, and maybe even 2000 watts and whatever happens since they were produced by teddy, but nothing else | |
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alphastreet said: I would rank yrmw up with dangerous, and maybe even 2000 watts and whatever happens since they were produced by teddy, but nothing else Oh c'mon, you'd pick She Drives Me Wild, Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away and Gone Too Soon over Heaven Can Wait, Unbreakable, Speechless, Butterflies and Threatened? | |
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MattyJam said: alphastreet said: I would rank yrmw up with dangerous, and maybe even 2000 watts and whatever happens since they were produced by teddy, but nothing else Oh c'mon, you'd pick She Drives Me Wild, Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away and Gone Too Soon over Heaven Can Wait, Unbreakable, Speechless, Butterflies and Threatened? Personally, yes! I like all the tracks you mentioned, but the production and mixing on Dangerous is of an higher level than on Invincible. |
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MattyJam said: alphastreet said: I would rank yrmw up with dangerous, and maybe even 2000 watts and whatever happens since they were produced by teddy, but nothing else Oh c'mon, you'd pick She Drives Me Wild, Why You Wanna Trip On Me, Can't Let Her Get Away and Gone Too Soon over Heaven Can Wait, Unbreakable, Speechless, Butterflies and Threatened? Aw I love those invincible songs!!! Maybe I listen to those particular ones more than the dangerous tracks you named | |
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Great songs on Invincible: YRMW, Unbreakable, Whatever Happens, Speechless, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, 2000 Watts and Threatened
Great songs on Dangerous: Jam, In The Closet, Remember The Time, Who Is It, Dangerous and Give Into Me Dangerous is Michaels last good album. | |
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That is total bs. All of Michael's albums are good. Most are great. | |
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PatrickS77 said:
That is total bs. All of Michael's albums are good. Most are great. Alright... Everything Michael did was amazing. He never had a bad album in his life. The greatest ever. | |
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JayCrawford said: PatrickS77 said:
That is total bs. All of Michael's albums are good. Most are great. Alright... Everything Michael did was amazing. He never had a bad album in his life. The greatest ever. Well. Can't help it that you can't handle the truth. | |
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PatrickS77 said: JayCrawford said: Alright... Everything Michael did was amazing. He never had a bad album in his life. The greatest ever. Well. Can't help it that you can't handle the truth. What you said wasn't the truth but from my experience dealing with obsessed Michael fans is that they act like the man could do no wrong and he was always this sweet innocent little angel and never produced a bad song or album. It must be a generational thing because I'm old enough to remember Michaels prime throughout the 70s-80s. I feel like the younger fans are too bias on something they missed out on... Who knows [Edited 12/26/20 1:30am] | |
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I prefer the MJ' of the 90's ( which is artistically its peak) over the 80's. I also prefer the MJ of the 70's over the 80's, bu that s only pzrsonnal. . But the MJ of the 2000's, wasn't just the same artist anymore he was in its prime. Even if MJ promoted Invincible correctly ( good single choices, music videos, tour, awards, etc.) and sold it at 20 millions copies, it wouldn't have changed the fact that with this album, he dumbed down and simplified his music, with some songs that were terrible. . The gap between History/BOTDF and Invincible is huge. . It s the exact reverse of what Prince did : an average rnb album with Rave, and the next album was the masterpiece Rainbow Children, where his music became more complex and subtle. . I don't think MJ could have reversed the situation, like Prince did. He had good unreleased material ( XSCAPE, We ve Had Enough, Do you know where your children are, Hollywood Tonight, In the back, etc.) But he didn't have the will to go " Underground" And would rather commit with BS producers such as Will I Am and Akon. I really would have been ashamed he released an album produced by these artists in the end of 2000, and I m glad he didn't. |
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Ooh, the old "I'm old, so therefore I know better and you know nothing routine.". I can tell you that gets old. Being old gives you no advantage whatsoever when it comes to music, as we can access music from every era and judge it. To the contrary, we have way more music to take and pick from than you had growing up. Also being old brings you much earlier to a point where you are jaded and closed off for/to something new, because you always think things you were exposed to when you were younger was better. So come again about being biased. And I never said, that he didn't have a bad song. I said he didn't have a bad album and that's the truth and has nothing to do with obsession. Even if old farts like you, who keep harping on their age, like it's a badge of honor can't handle that. | |
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Ageism vs. Youthism = FAIL "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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PatrickS77 said:
Ooh, the old "I'm old, so therefore I know better and you know nothing routine.". I can tell you that gets old. Being old gives you no advantage whatsoever when it comes to music, as we can access music from every era and judge it. To the contrary, we have way more music to take and pick from than you had growing up. Also being old brings you much earlier to a point where you are jaded and closed off for/to something new, because you always think things you were exposed to when you were younger was better. So come again about being biased. And I never said, that he didn't have a bad song. I said he didn't have a bad album and that's the truth and has nothing to do with obsession. Even if old farts like you, who keep harping on their age, like it's a badge of honor can't handle that. Sounds like I struck a few nerve's. Michael has had bad albums period. Stop being bias. Invincible was awful and so was History is not the truth what you said. But your comment is proving my point. You obsessed fans are hideous and there isn't much point in debating... Look at your profile picture | |
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RODSERLING said: I prefer the MJ' of the 90's ( which is artistically its peak) over the 80's. I also prefer the MJ of the 70's over the 80's, bu that s only pzrsonnal. . But the MJ of the 2000's, wasn't just the same artist anymore he was in its prime. Even if MJ promoted Invincible correctly ( good single choices, music videos, tour, awards, etc.) and sold it at 20 millions copies, it wouldn't have changed the fact that with this album, he dumbed down and simplified his music, with some songs that were terrible. . The gap between History/BOTDF and Invincible is huge. . It s the exact reverse of what Prince did : an average rnb album with Rave, and the next album was the masterpiece Rainbow Children, where his music became more complex and subtle. . I don't think MJ could have reversed the situation, like Prince did. He had good unreleased material ( XSCAPE, We ve Had Enough, Do you know where your children are, Hollywood Tonight, In the back, etc.) But he didn't have the will to go " Underground" And would rather commit with BS producers such as Will I Am and Akon. I really would have been ashamed he released an album produced by these artists in the end of 2000, and I m glad he didn't. Michaels music were always simple.. I don't know where you got that idea from 😂 Michael Jackson in his prime from the 70s-80s could do no wrong... After Dangerous... His shit went downhill | |
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PatrickS77 said:
[Edited 12/26/20 8:36am] Alright, keep convincing yourself that those albums are good to great 😂 | |
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I don't need to convince myself. I know. Fools like you don't change that perception. | |
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PatrickS77 said:
I don't need to convince myself. I know. Fools like you don't change that perception. Sure, alright. | |
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^^ knobhead alert. | |
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JayCrawford said: PatrickS77 said:
Ooh, the old "I'm old, so therefore I know better and you know nothing routine.". I can tell you that gets old. Being old gives you no advantage whatsoever when it comes to music, as we can access music from every era and judge it. To the contrary, we have way more music to take and pick from than you had growing up. Also being old brings you much earlier to a point where you are jaded and closed off for/to something new, because you always think things you were exposed to when you were younger was better. So come again about being biased. And I never said, that he didn't have a bad song. I said he didn't have a bad album and that's the truth and has nothing to do with obsession. Even if old farts like you, who keep harping on their age, like it's a badge of honor can't handle that. Sounds like I struck a few nerve's. Michael has had bad albums period. Stop being bias. Invincible was awful and so was History is not the truth what you said. But your comment is proving my point. You obsessed fans are hideous and there isn't much point in debating... Look at your profile picture History is my favourite album of all time. I m not saying it s really the best ( the Beatles, Stevie Wonder etc.), but I really do think objectively that Prince never reached that kind of perfection in an album. Saying it s a bad album, is complete BS, then 90%of Prince albums are "bad". |
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MattyJam said: ^^ knobhead alert. Lol, these new generation Michael fans make me laugh... Only if you kids were around when Michael Jackson's career was different prior to the 90s. But hey... What do I know, I'm just some old fool right?😂 Bunch of sensitive kids. | |
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RODSERLING said: JayCrawford said: Sounds like I struck a few nerve's. Michael has had bad albums period. Stop being bias. Invincible was awful and so was History is not the truth what you said. But your comment is proving my point. You obsessed fans are hideous and there isn't much point in debating... Look at your profile picture History is my favourite album of all time. I m not saying it s really the best ( the Beatles, Stevie Wonder etc.), but I really do think objectively that Prince never reached that kind of perfection in an album. Saying it s a bad album, is complete BS, then 90%of Prince albums are "bad". "Saying it s a bad album, is complete BS, then 90%of Prince albums are bad." What a dumb comment to post. How does those have any similarities in terms of bad and good albums? Prince had a lot of perfect albums 1999, Dirty Mind, SOTT, Purple Rain says hello to this... But here comes a Michael fan discrediting Princes albums. | |
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JayCrawford said: RODSERLING said: I prefer the MJ' of the 90's ( which is artistically its peak) over the 80's. I also prefer the MJ of the 70's over the 80's, bu that s only pzrsonnal. . But the MJ of the 2000's, wasn't just the same artist anymore he was in its prime. Even if MJ promoted Invincible correctly ( good single choices, music videos, tour, awards, etc.) and sold it at 20 millions copies, it wouldn't have changed the fact that with this album, he dumbed down and simplified his music, with some songs that were terrible. . The gap between History/BOTDF and Invincible is huge. . It s the exact reverse of what Prince did : an average rnb album with Rave, and the next album was the masterpiece Rainbow Children, where his music became more complex and subtle. . I don't think MJ could have reversed the situation, like Prince did. He had good unreleased material ( XSCAPE, We ve Had Enough, Do you know where your children are, Hollywood Tonight, In the back, etc.) But he didn't have the will to go " Underground" And would rather commit with BS producers such as Will I Am and Akon. I really would have been ashamed he released an album produced by these artists in the end of 2000, and I m glad he didn't. Michaels music were always simple.. I don't know where you got that idea from 😂 Michael Jackson in his prime from the 70s-80s could do no wrong... After Dangerous... His shit went downhill You re out of your mind. His best material objectively came in the 90's. |
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RODSERLING said: JayCrawford said: Michaels music were always simple.. I don't know where you got that idea from 😂 Michael Jackson in his prime from the 70s-80s could do no wrong... After Dangerous... His shit went downhill You re out of your mind. His best material objectively came in the 90's. No it didn't the 70s and 80s. Off The Wall and Thriller are often considered his masterpieces which is a fact. Try and use the word "objectively" correctly next time. | |
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JayCrawford said: RODSERLING said: You re out of your mind. His best material objectively came in the 90's. No it didn't the 70s and 80s. Off The Wall and Thriller are often considered his masterpieces which is a fact. Try and use the word "objectively" correctly next time. His material in the 90's is more mature than in the 70's ( when he mostly didn't write anything) and in the 80's. . They don't care about us, Stranger in Moscow, Little Susie, Morphine, Who is it... Common, that s another level than what he did inthe 80's, which was great, of course, but not as mature as a songwriter and in term of production, multitracks, etc. |
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RODSERLING said: JayCrawford said: No it didn't the 70s and 80s. Off The Wall and Thriller are often considered his masterpieces which is a fact. Try and use the word "objectively" correctly next time. His material in the 90's is more mature than in the 70's ( when he mostly didn't write anything) and in the 80's. . They don't care about us, Stranger in Moscow, Little Susie, Morphine, Who is it... Common, that s another level than what he did inthe 80's, which was great, of course, but not as mature as a songwriter and in term of production, multitracks, etc. Is that your reasoning? Because he wrote most of his songs throughout the 90s? When did you become a Michael Jackson fan? Because the songs you mentioned are no way near in another level as his 80s work like Thriller, Billie Jean, Beat It or even the 70s, Rock With You, Don't Stop Till You Get Enough. | |
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