DiminutiveRocker said:

PatrickS77 said:

Whether you find it convincing is of no importance. It doesn't change the fact that you can interpret it either way.

Yeah, not buying the wishy washy either or therories, nice try though.
This is the thread you should post on:

http://prince.org/msg/8/458083

[Edited 3/8/19 13:51pm]

Why? Because I don't agree with your bullshit??

PurpleBlackmon said:

PatrickS77 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Yeah, not buying the wishy washy either or therories, nice try though.
This is the thread you should post on:

http://prince.org/msg/8/458083

[Edited 3/8/19 13:51pm]

Why? Because I don't agree with your bullshit??

No, because I don't agree with yours.

darlingnikkkki said:

PurpleBlackmon said:

I think they are telling the truth, because what they are saying is so hardcore and crazy that it has to be true. If you were going to make up lies about MJ molesting you, you would keep it believable and sort of base it on the sort of stuff that Jordie Chandler and Gavin Arvizo said. Stuff like fondling, kissing and oral sex. You wouldn't say stuff about holding open your butt cheeks, so he could look inside your anus while masterbating and then from time to time putting his tongue up there. if you were making up lies and you came up with that- You would be like- Hold on that's way too much out there, nobody's going to believe that. I better tone it down and keep it more CONSISTENT with what those other two guys said. That's why I think it's true. Nobody would even think of that shit, unless it really happened. Also those other two were making it sound like it happened from time to time. These guys have MJ doing this shit every damn time they were alone with him and everywhere on the ranch. Why would someone that is trying to lie add all of this and rev it up so much?

Sad but true. Not to mention the shame they must have felt all these years keeping the abuse a secret thinking it’s their fault it happened to them. Hope they find support from family and friends as i know they will be harassed and question their motivation for speaking the truth now. I admire them for finally having the courage. Hopefully this will start the healing process for them and give other victims the strength to speak up as well.

The public conversation about this is so important. Imagine all the kids out there who have been abused, kept this secret and suffer in silence. So sad.

DiminutiveRocker said:

darlingnikkkki said:

PurpleBlackmon said: Sad but true. Not to mention the shame they must have felt all these years keeping the abuse a secret thinking it’s their fault it happened to them. Hope they find support from family and friends as i know they will be harassed and question their motivation for speaking the truth now. I admire them for finally having the courage. Hopefully this will start the healing process for them and give other victims the strength to speak up as well.

The public conversation about this is so important. Imagine all the kids out there who have been abused, kept this secret and suffer in silence. So sad.

THIS...

I was one of those kids...

My mothers best Friends son sexually abused me...

The weight of who it was was unbearable...

He also groomed me, and everyone else by pretending that he saw me as a little sister..

So..my mother was very happy to leave me in his care when she went out at night...

and the shocking thing is..It felt good....I had a crush on him, 'I felt special"

and it wasnt until I was well into my 20.s that I even realised that He had done something wrong..

I made excuses for him in my mind...I told my self he loved me...

I didnt tell a single soul until I was 44 years old !!!!!!!!

and when I did...

Guess what..?

No one believed me...

The same old questions..

"Why did you wait this long...?"

"Ive known him all his life, he couldnt possibly have done that "

even one person stooped as low as saying

"you were always a provocative little girl "

WTF...

I still havent seen finding neverland..but becasue of this thread I am identifying heavily with the boys...

^For those who are interested in contributing to the Rob$on 'Child Abu$e Healing And Prevention Fund', the minimum donation i$ a mere $250...

DiminutiveRocker said:

PatrickS77 said:

Why? Because I don't agree with your bullshit??

No, because I don't agree with yours.

Oh, right. You're so smart. Anyone with an opposing view has to leave. How mature.

CherryMoon57 said:

^For those who are interested in contributing to the Rob$on 'Child Abu$e Healing And Prevention Fund', the minimum donation i$ a mere $250...

Rob $on by name, Rob $on by nature.
What a reptilian piece of shit he is.

CherryMoon57 said:

^For those who are interested in contributing to the Rob$on 'Child Abu$e Healing And Prevention Fund', the minimum donation i$ a mere $250...

So basically you're questioning the integrity of the Hawaii Community Foundation, who have been doing charitable work for over 100 years. Classy.

Cloudbuster said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^For those who are interested in contributing to the Rob$on 'Child Abu$e Healing And Prevention Fund', the minimum donation i$ a mere $250...

Rob $on by name, Rob $on by nature.
What a reptilian piece of shit he is.

Whereas you presumably have raised loads of money for abuse victims through your own foundation?

PatrickS77 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

No, because I don't agree with yours.

Oh, right. You're so smart. Anyone with an opposing view has to leave. How mature.

No one said you HAD to do anything, Mr. Maturity.

RichardS said:

Cloudbuster said:

Rob $on by name, Rob $on by nature.
What a reptilian piece of shit he is.

Whereas you presumably have raised loads of money for abuse victims through your own foundation?

You created an account in 2004 and have posted 74 times in total. Mostly on this thread.
The man you hate has been dead almost ten years. You couldn't be more pathetic.

Cloudbuster said:

RichardS said:

Whereas you presumably have raised loads of money for abuse victims through your own foundation?

You created an account in 2004 and have posted 74 times in total. Mostly on this thread.
The man you hate has been dead almost ten years. You couldn't be more pathetic.

I don't hate the guy. As you say he's dead, and I didn't even hate him when he's alive. I don't turn the radio off when his songs come on and I haven't even claimed that he's guilty of child abuse.

I'm posting a lot on this thread, because as a victim I'm trying to understand a number of things and find some facts. I would hope that you don't think my being a victim, looking for answers is 'pathetic'.

That's why I post stuff and ask for rebuttals - to gain an understanding. The problem is a) no-one actually gives any concrete answers (not my fault) and b) some people post stuff that is factually inaccurate, so I feel it is important to question that.

Why is that a problem to anyone? I mean, it bothers you that much that you checked my posting history and then insulted me, but really it shouldn't bother anyone.

Superstition said:

It’s very easy to desiccate a dead man. They also lied in the documentary. If this was true, the lies would not be needed. Wade and James met... as adults. Why lie about that? The director lies about it too. When people lie about trivial things, it seems odd.

You may have noticed that there has been a concerted effort to destroy Michael Jackson for the last 35 years.

RichardS said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^For those who are interested in contributing to the Rob$on 'Child Abu$e Healing And Prevention Fund', the minimum donation i$ a mere $250...

So basically you're questioning the integrity of the Hawaii Community Foundation, who have been doing charitable work for over 100 years. Classy.

No, only Robson's motives.

DiminutiveRocker said:

PatrickS77 said:

Oh, right. You're so smart. Anyone with an opposing view has to leave. How mature.

No one said you HAD to do anything, Mr. Maturity.

Quit the bitching and move one.


Keep this thread on track please and thank you, sheesh!

CherryMoon57 said:

RichardS said:

So basically you're questioning the integrity of the Hawaii Community Foundation, who have been doing charitable work for over 100 years. Classy.

No, only Robson's motives.

But if he was out to personally gain financially from his own Foundation why link up with such a reputable, established Foundation - that's makes no sense.

RichardS said:

Cloudbuster said:

You created an account in 2004 and have posted 74 times in total. Mostly on this thread.
The man you hate has been dead almost ten years. You couldn't be more pathetic.

I don't hate the guy. As you say he's dead, and I didn't even hate him when he's alive. I don't turn the radio off when his songs come on and I haven't even claimed that he's guilty of child abuse.

I'm posting a lot on this thread, because as a victim I'm trying to understand a number of things and find some facts. I would hope that you don't think my being a victim, looking for answers is 'pathetic'.

That's why I post stuff and ask for rebuttals - to gain an understanding. The problem is a) no-one actually gives any concrete answers (not my fault) and b) some people post stuff that is factually inaccurate, so I feel it is important to question that.

Why is that a problem to anyone? I mean, it bothers you that much that you checked my posting history and then insulted me, but really it shouldn't bother anyone.

It's not a problem. Do not think anything of it, no one is judging you based on the # of your posts - heck, some people created accounts after Prince died just to come here and commiserate with fellow fans and have not been back since!

I think for some of his fans it's hard to keep an open mind about Jackson. Sorry to hear you were a victim yourself. I can imagine that these kinds of things strike a raw nerve

DiminutiveRocker said:

RichardS said:

I don't hate the guy. As you say he's dead, and I didn't even hate him when he's alive. I don't turn the radio off when his songs come on and I haven't even claimed that he's guilty of child abuse.

I'm posting a lot on this thread, because as a victim I'm trying to understand a number of things and find some facts. I would hope that you don't think my being a victim, looking for answers is 'pathetic'.

That's why I post stuff and ask for rebuttals - to gain an understanding. The problem is a) no-one actually gives any concrete answers (not my fault) and b) some people post stuff that is factually inaccurate, so I feel it is important to question that.

Why is that a problem to anyone? I mean, it bothers you that much that you checked my posting history and then insulted me, but really it shouldn't bother anyone.

It's not a problem. Do not think anything of it, no one is judging you based on the # of your posts - heck, some people created accounts after Prince died just to come here and commiserate with fellow fans and have not been back since!

I think for some of his fans it's hard to keep an open mind about Jackson. Sorry to hear you were a victim yourself. I can imagine that these kinds of things strike a raw nerve

Thanks. Yeah, it's weird, I don't think about it for years, then the subject gets a lot of headlines and I think about quite a bit. I don't think it traumatised me - I think I was too young to understand what was happening, and luckily we moved away not long after it started - but I've literally never told anyone I know, only in anonymous situations like this. I'm not on many forums and this is the only one discussing it, so that's why I'm posting here as opposed to anywhere else.

Cloudbuster said:

RichardS said:

Whereas you presumably have raised loads of money for abuse victims through your own foundation?

You created an account in 2004 and have posted 74 times in total. Mostly on this thread.
The man you hate has been dead almost ten years. You couldn't be more pathetic.

Move on.

Keep this thread on track, thanks.

CherryMoon57 said:

RichardS said:

So basically you're questioning the integrity of the Hawaii Community Foundation, who have been doing charitable work for over 100 years. Classy.

No, only Robson's motives.

https://www.showbiz411.co...-neverland

Cloudbuster said:

Cloudbuster said:

CherryMoon57 said:

No, only Robson's motives.

https://www.showbiz411.co...-neverland

^

[Edited 3/8/19 16:46pm]

RichardS said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

It's not a problem. Do not think anything of it, no one is judging you based on the # of your posts - heck, some people created accounts after Prince died just to come here and commiserate with fellow fans and have not been back since!

I think for some of his fans it's hard to keep an open mind about Jackson. Sorry to hear you were a victim yourself. I can imagine that these kinds of things strike a raw nerve

Thanks. Yeah, it's weird, I don't think about it for years, then the subject gets a lot of headlines and I think about quite a bit. I don't think it traumatised me - I think I was too young to understand what was happening, and luckily we moved away not long after it started - but I've literally never told anyone I know, only in anonymous situations like this. I'm not on many forums and this is the only one discussing it, so that's why I'm posting here as opposed to anywhere else.

It's all good - I appeciate that you are looking for info and answers - we all are.

Emotional triggers are unpredicatable. But I think when you experience something that is scary or something that you cannot comprehend it stays with you.

Lovejunky said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

The public conversation about this is so important. Imagine all the kids out there who have been abused, kept this secret and suffer in silence. So sad.

THIS...

I was one of those kids...

My mothers best Friends son sexually abused me...

The weight of who it was was unbearable...

He also groomed me, and everyone else by pretending that he saw me as a little sister..

So..my mother was very happy to leave me in his care when she went out at night...

and the shocking thing is..It felt good....I had a crush on him, 'I felt special"

and it wasnt until I was well into my 20.s that I even realised that He had done something wrong..

I made excuses for him in my mind...I told my self he loved me...

I didnt tell a single soul until I was 44 years old !!!!!!!!

and when I did...

Guess what..?

No one believed me...

The same old questions..

"Why did you wait this long...?"

"Ive known him all his life, he couldnt possibly have done that "

even one person stooped as low as saying

"you were always a provocative little girl "

WTF...

I still havent seen finding neverland..but becasue of this thread I am identifying heavily with the boys...

Wish i could do more than send you my support. I think one of the reasons I've never told anyone that I know about my abuse (45 years ago) is that I'm afraid it will change their view of me.

Superstition said:

Cloudbuster said:

You may have noticed that there has been a concerted effort to destroy Michael Jackson for the last 35 years.

You are right. People said history would not be kind to this man long before he was accused of anything.

James Baldwin was one of the first.

CherryMoon57 said:

^

Got ya.

Lovejunky said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

The public conversation about this is so important. Imagine all the kids out there who have been abused, kept this secret and suffer in silence. So sad.

THIS...

I was one of those kids...

My mothers best Friends son sexually abused me...

The weight of who it was was unbearable...

He also groomed me, and everyone else by pretending that he saw me as a little sister..

So..my mother was very happy to leave me in his care when she went out at night...

and the shocking thing is..It felt good....I had a crush on him, 'I felt special"

and it wasnt until I was well into my 20.s that I even realised that He had done something wrong..

I made excuses for him in my mind...I told my self he loved me...

I didnt tell a single soul until I was 44 years old !!!!!!!!

and when I did...

Guess what..?

No one believed me...

The same old questions..

"Why did you wait this long...?"

"Ive known him all his life, he couldnt possibly have done that "

even one person stooped as low as saying

"you were always a provocative little girl "

WTF...

I still havent seen finding neverland..but becasue of this thread I am identifying heavily with the boys...

Oh, man. I am so sorry this happened to you, but thank you for this post. It kind of drives home the whole insidious nature of these kinds of abuses and from what I have read many victims say the same thing - that they not only admired their abusers but that they made them feel special and adored --- but really, the victims were just too young to know that what they were actually experiencing was abuse. 'Neverland' will strike a chord with you as they basically express very similar feelings.

[Edited 3/8/19 17:06pm]