Quick : Who's better ? Hank Williams or Beethovan ? Aretha Franklin or Maria Callas ? Count Basie or Buddy Holly ?
I kind of agree with something Humphrey Bogart once said many year ago about the Oscars : the only way to truly judge who the Best Actor was would be if every actor played "Hamlet" and then you picked which one did it best .
You should be asking the NARAS this since they're the ones who pool various different albums together for determination on which one is better.
I think we should be asking what the NARAS' criteria for electing the album of the year is in the first place because it seems to vary year to year. One year the most commercially succesful album can wins, the next it can be the critical favorite whether it's a high-tier mainstream or obscure release, the year after could be an accessible pop album, the year after could be an acquired taste underground release.
The academy is far from consistent when choosing which album of the many different ones they judge to be the best release of the year.
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That's it- there is no consistancy as to what wins. It depends on who the majority of voters choose. Just like the Oscars- sometimes they pick masterpieces ("The Godfather", "Lawrence of Arabia", "THe Apartment") and sometimes they pick stuff that's very contrivedd and cliched ("Braveheart", "Crash", "The Greatest Show on Earth")
I love her voice but she is always so awkward to the point where Im beginning to think she's drunk.
I was embarrassed for her doing that and the inverview she did today trying to explain only made it worse.
I looked at Adele's press conference speech today and I cringed. I understand she respects Beyonce (WE GET IT) BUT why dim your light and moment for another singer? Especially a singer who wouldn't do the same for you! You can still show respect without belitting your own dignity and talent for someone else. I find Adele's fawning and pandeirng to Beyonce to be disrespectful to the engineers and team that helped make 25. She didn't praise them as much as she did Beyonce.
I love her voice but she is always so awkward to the point where Im beginning to think she's drunk.
I was embarrassed for her doing that and the inverview she did today trying to explain only made it worse.
I looked at Adele's press conference speech today and I cringed. I understand she respects Beyonce (WE GET IT) BUT why dim your light and moment for another singer? Especially a singer who wouldn't do the same for you! You can still show respect without belitting your own dignity and talent for someone else. I find Adele's fawning and pandeirng to Beyonce to be disrespectful to the engineers and team that helped make 25. She didn't praise them as much as she did Beyonce.
It's practically a satire of the new political correctness, like maybe she was afraid there'd be riots in the streets, us crazy Americans and all.
I looked at Adele's press conference speech today and I cringed. I understand she respects Beyonce (WE GET IT) BUT why dim your light and moment for another singer? Especially a singer who wouldn't do the same for you! You can still show respect without belitting your own dignity and talent for someone else. I find Adele's fawning and pandeirng to Beyonce to be disrespectful to the engineers and team that helped make 25. She didn't praise them as much as she did Beyonce.
It's practically a satire of the new political correctness, like maybe she was afraid there'd be riots in the streets, us crazy Americans and all.
It wasn't just Adele though. There were other celebrities defending Beyonce on twitter and showing her pity. She has 20 fuqing grammies for crying out loud. Its exhausting and nauseating how people go on and on and on and on about Beyonce like she the only human being on earth that matters.
Anti is a way better album than Lemonade. Rihanna is the one that got snubbed not Beyonce. What this year's Grammy's awards tell me is that despite all the awards Beyonce is showered with, she is not taken seriously as an artist by the Grammy commitee and industry elite AND honestly is this really surprising? I am sorry I don't feel sorry for Beyonce she is overrated, bout time she got exposed. Why does the industry hate Rihanna? She is ALWAYS snubbed! I guess there can only be ONE Black woman that gets all the awards? The fact that she wasn't nominated for AOTY and Bieber was, was a slap in the face.
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I think Rihanna's reputation will always be tainted by her hit-or-miss reputation as a performer. Most of the Beyonce hype relies on her reliability to excite live. And though its in the eye of the beholder you can't deny that no one currently tries harder to make sure the show is showy. Sure part of it is memorex, but its memorex at the the right times, right in between a herky-jerky dance move and wagging of hefty weave.
Sometimes Rihanna just don't give a f!ck. It can be endearing but still, a lackluster show is a lackluster show.
The Grammy's only want one Black artist at the top (Beyonce) she is the token, the fact that Rihanna is snubbed has nothing to do with her live performances. Rihanna has sold more albums and has more number ones than Beyonce and still gets paid dust.
Could it be that more voters PREFERRED Taylor's album. I was never a big fan, but that is an excellent POP album. Comparing her to Kendrick Lamar is apples to oranges
I like Taylor and she RULES The World but whenever someone mentions her name I always bust out laughing when I think about what The Queen of Soul said about her:
"Taylor Swift's singing? Well she wears nice Gowns."
In this flood of articles about how Beyonce deserved to win AotY, it would be nice to see someone speak in support of the contrary because this is ridiculous in every sense of the word.
This is Adele's fault. Had she simply accepted her award and moved on then none of this incessant protesting for Beyonce would be happening. OK, it still would but not to these levels where literally no one seems to be on Adele's side and if they are, it's still in support of Beyonce.
It's a shame that this is all we're talking about it since this was the best edition of the Grammys in some time.
Could it be that more voters PREFERRED Taylor's album. I was never a big fan, but that is an excellent POP album. Comparing her to Kendrick Lamar is apples to oranges
I like Taylor and she RULES The World but whenever someone mentions her name I always bust out laughing when I think about what The Queen of Soul said about her:
"Taylor Swift's singing? Well she wears nice Gowns."
I think she said that about Alicia keys not Taylor Swift.
In this flood of articles about how Beyonce deserved to win AotY, it would be nice to see someone speak in support of the contrary because this is ridiculous in every sense of the word.
This is Adele's fault. Had she simply accepted her award and moved on then none of this incessant protesting for Beyonce would be happening. OK, it still would but not to these levels where literally no one seems to be on Adele's side and if they are, it's still in support of Beyonce.
It's a shame that this is all we're talking about it since this was the best edition of the Grammys in some time.
I think in this particular case majority people were moved by lemonade even Adele voted for Beyoncé to win aoty. I get all the animosity for Beyoncé on this forum an how everyone is annoyed by her. But she did her thing this time and it kinda hard to ignore and mitigate the impact of it on the culture and everyone was expecting and wanted her to win that specific award. Song of the year record year to Adele I agree but album of the year though hmmm.... Negative.
In this flood of articles about how Beyonce deserved to win AotY, it would be nice to see someone speak in support of the contrary because this is ridiculous in every sense of the word.
This is Adele's fault. Had she simply accepted her award and moved on then none of this incessant protesting for Beyonce would be happening. OK, it still would but not to these levels where literally no one seems to be on Adele's side and if they are, it's still in support of Beyonce.
It's a shame that this is all we're talking about it since this was the best edition of the Grammys in some time.
I think in this particular case majority people were moved by lemonade even Adele voted for Beyoncé to win aoty. I get all the animosity for Beyoncé on this forum an how everyone is annoyed by her. But she did her thing this time and it kinda hard to ignore and mitigate the impact of it on the culture and everyone was expecting and wanted her to win that specific award. Song of the year record year to Adele I agree but album of the year though hmmm.... Negative.
I personally am not seeing what impact Lemonade has had on culture that wasn't already present. And even so Beyonce could've made any old album about any old superficial thing she usually sings about and I doubt things would be any different than they are now.
I think in this particular case majority people were moved by lemonade even Adele voted for Beyoncé to win aoty. I get all the animosity for Beyoncé on this forum an how everyone is annoyed by her. But she did her thing this time and it kinda hard to ignore and mitigate the impact of it on the culture and everyone was expecting and wanted her to win that specific award. Song of the year record year to Adele I agree but album of the year though hmmm.... Negative.
I personally am not seeing what impact Lemonade has had on culture that wasn't already present. And even so Beyonce could've made any old album about any old superficial thing she usually sings about and I doubt things would be any different than they are now.
But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
mjscarousal said: It's practically a satire of the new political correctness, like maybe she was afraid there'd be riots in the streets, us crazy Americans and all.
It wasn't just Adele though. There were other celebrities defending Beyonce on twitter and showing her pity. She has 20 fuqing grammies for crying out loud. Its exhausting and nauseating how people go on and on and on and on about Beyonce like she the only human being on earth that matters.
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I think people fear the backlash of the so-called "beehive". They've made headlines before concerning their god Beyonce or Oshun or whoever she was channeling this time. Geesh!
I personally am not seeing what impact Lemonade has had on culture that wasn't already present. And even so Beyonce could've made any old album about any old superficial thing she usually sings about and I doubt things would be any different than they are now.
But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
I'm not even saying 25 should have won or that it was a great album. It was lackluster and I've thought that ever since actually buying it when it came out and not revisiting it since the first listen. Me being anti-Beyonce doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro-Adele.
The bottom line however is that Adele won. I welcome humility and appreciate her honesty but there's such a thing as being too humble which she was. It wouldn't have been such a big deal had she taken the stage, said her thanks and acknowledged that she thinks Beyonce should have won but she cranked her modesty to 11 and pandered to the audience, crying and rambling on about how she wasn't worthy and making out Beyonce to be some perfect goddess, didn't she even say Beyonce was "the light" or something along those lines? It was absolutely ridiculous and painful to watch Adele tear herself, the winner, down just to build up the Beyonce, the loser.
Instead of basking in what should have been her moment, Adele turned all the attention and spotlight to someone who doesn't need anymore spotlight on her. And what was the point of breaking the award in half? Just give Beyonce the whole thing if you truly thought she deserved it.
People likely would complain about Beyonce losing anyway but Adele's sobby ass-kissing made things far worse. [Edited 2/14/17 8:11am]
I looked at Adele's press conference speech today and I cringed. I understand she respects Beyonce (WE GET IT) BUT why dim your light and moment for another singer? Especially a singer who wouldn't do the same for you! You can still show respect without belitting your own dignity and talent for someone else. I find Adele's fawning and pandeirng to Beyonce to be disrespectful to the engineers and team that helped make 25. She didn't praise them as much as she did Beyonce.
It's practically a satire of the new political correctness, like maybe she was afraid there'd be riots in the streets, us crazy Americans and all.
It wasn't just Adele though. There were other celebrities defending Beyonce on twitter and showing her pity. She has 20 fuqing grammies for crying out loud. Its exhausting and nauseating how people go on and on and on and on about Beyonce like she the only human being on earth that matters.
Its even more exhausting to keep seeing you post about beyonce over and over and over again. Wow, do you ever think not of beyonce? You are obsessed with her.
But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
I'm not even saying 25 should have won or that it was a great album. It was lackluster and I've thought that ever since actually buying it when it came out and not revisiting it since the first listen. Me being anti-Beyonce doesn't necessarily mean I'm pro-Adele.
The bottom line however is that Adele won. I welcome humility and appreciate her honesty but there's such a thing as being too humble which she was. It wouldn't have been such a big deal had she taken the stage, said her thanks and acknowledged that she thinks Beyonce should have won but she cranked her modesty to 11 and pandered to the audience, crying and rambling on about how she wasn't worthy and making out Beyonce to be some perfect goddess, didn't she even say Beyonce was "the light" or something along those lines? It was absolutely ridiculous and painful to watch Adele tear herself, the winner, down just to build up the Beyonce, the loser.
Instead of basking in what should have been her moment, Adele turned all the attention and spotlight to someone who doesn't need anymore spotlight on her. And what was the point of breaking the award in half? Just give Beyonce the whole thing if you truly thought she deserved it.
People likely would complain about Beyonce losing anyway but Adele's sobby ass-kissing made things far worse. [Edited 2/14/17 8:11am]
Well I think that's where we disagree I didn't find Adele to be overly humble or worshiping Beyoncé. I just found her to be genuine and sincere. Did you see her press conference footage where she elaborated more on the situation? So it's a matter of perception and I think it's that way because it's Beyoncé. Do you think Macklemore was doing to much when he posted his text messages apologizing to Kendrick Lamar. As far as her breaking the award that's her way of dealing with things it's not something I would do necessarily but that's her thought process and I don't see nothing wrong nor do I see that as a big deal. She broke it so what.
It wasn't just Adele though. There were other celebrities defending Beyonce on twitter and showing her pity. She has 20 fuqing grammies for crying out loud. Its exhausting and nauseating how people go on and on and on and on about Beyonce like she the only human being on earth that matters.
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I think people fear the backlash of the so-called "beehive". They've made headlines before concerning their god Beyonce or Oshun or whoever she was channeling this time. Geesh!
I think it is most definitly that as well but it was interesting to see celebrities going out of their way to show pity to Beyonce when Beyonce has 22 grammys. There is no reason to pity her when she has been awarded generously and recognized throughout her career. She is literally every where and always obsessively fond over in the media. So why would she need sympathy? There is a psychology behind the reason why people react the way they do to Beyonce. Why people treat her like she is a deity that is above reproach. Its super creepy. The communal reinforcement effect and group think with this obsessive pandering to Beyonce is super creepy and purposeful. It is gotten out of hand. I saw some posts from her fans that was actually calling her a "god" after her performance.
I personally am not seeing what impact Lemonade has had on culture that wasn't already present. And even so Beyonce could've made any old album about any old superficial thing she usually sings about and I doubt things would be any different than they are now.
But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
Actually, the album that was probably the most highly praised, David Bowie's "Blackstar", was not even NOMINATED for Album of the Year. To me, THAT was the greatest Grammy oversight (and remember, Bowie had extremely few Grammy nominations for his entire brilliant career) . For me, that would have been the ideal choice, for both quality and sentimental reasons
MotownSubdivision said: But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
Actually, the album that was probably the most highly praised, David Bowie's "Blackstar", was not even NOMINATED for Album of the Year. To me, THAT was the greatest Grammy oversight (and remember, Bowie had extremely few Grammy nominations for his entire brilliant career) . For me, that would have been the ideal choice, for both quality and sentimental reasons
I think people fear the backlash of the so-called "beehive". They've made headlines before concerning their god Beyonce or Oshun or whoever she was channeling this time. Geesh!
I think it is most definitly that as well but it was interesting to see celebrities going out of their way to show pity to Beyonce when Beyonce has 22 grammys. There is no reason to pity her when she has been awarded generously and recognized throughout her career. She is literally every where and always obsessively fond over in the media. So why would she need sympathy? There is a psychology behind the reason why people react the way they do to Beyonce. Why people treat her like she is a deity that is above reproach. Its super creepy. The communal reinforcement effect and group think with this obsessive pandering to Beyonce is super creepy and purposeful. It is gotten out of hand. I saw some posts from her fans that was actually calling her a "god" after her performance.
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I'm not surprised to hear that. You're always going to have a few nuts out there that literally make idols out of their Pop idols. This is nothing new. I think the difference is she seems to relish it more than the average artist.
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As far as celebrities goes, they are part of the larger problem you so often speak of. Entitlement. They're only reinforcing her sense of entitlement.
MotownSubdivision said: But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
Actually, the album that was probably the most highly praised, David Bowie's "Blackstar", was not even NOMINATED for Album of the Year. To me, THAT was the greatest Grammy oversight (and remember, Bowie had extremely few Grammy nominations for his entire brilliant career) . For me, that would have been the ideal choice, for both quality and sentimental reasons
I agree.
They gave Ray Charles album of the year, a year after he died. If anybody deserves AOTY, its definitly David Bowie and Blackstar was worthy to be nominated regardless whether he passed or not.
MotownSubdivision said: But the thing is even you don't see what's so special about lemonade look at 25 that album was lackluster and really is riding the wave of 21. 21 was a great album she had (set fire to the rain, someone like you, rumour has it, rolling in the deep etc.) that album had bangers and Adele deserved everything that year but 25 besides showing no growth musically or lyrically the music was just bland and not as good critics resoundingly weren't enthused by this album and on the other hand lemonade was nearly every critics choice for album of the year last year. So its funny how people on this forum say how everyone's praising Beyoncé because of who she is and she overrated and undeserved of the awards she has. When Adele actually swept the Grammys for that exact reason.
Actually, the album that was probably the most highly praised, David Bowie's "Blackstar", was not even NOMINATED for Album of the Year. To me, THAT was the greatest Grammy oversight (and remember, Bowie had extremely few Grammy nominations for his entire brilliant career) . For me, that would have been the ideal choice, for both quality and sentimental reasons
I wouldnt say blackster got more praise than lemonade but yes I agree it definitely shouldve got a nomination over bieber definitely. Why was bieber nominated anyway? Anti was better than that trash.
I think it is most definitly that as well but it was interesting to see celebrities going out of their way to show pity to Beyonce when Beyonce has 22 grammys. There is no reason to pity her when she has been awarded generously and recognized throughout her career. She is literally every where and always obsessively fond over in the media. So why would she need sympathy? There is a psychology behind the reason why people react the way they do to Beyonce. Why people treat her like she is a deity that is above reproach. Its super creepy. The communal reinforcement effect and group think with this obsessive pandering to Beyonce is super creepy and purposeful. It is gotten out of hand. I saw some posts from her fans that was actually calling her a "god" after her performance.
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I'm not surprised to hear that. You're always going to have a few nuts out there that literally make idols out of their Pop idols. This is nothing new. I think the difference is she seems to relish it more than the average artist.
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As far as celebrities goes, they are part of the larger problem you so often speak of. Entitlement. They're only reinforcing her sense of entitlement.
That's something that has bothered me about Beyonce- like Oprah, she seems to have a bit of a "messiah" complex, like "I'm here to help you with your pain....as long as you love me ". ALL stars love the spotlight (or they wouldn't be in it), but she seems to REVEL in the adoration. I was turned off by her when I was watching a concert of her's on TV, and she kept talking about how many hit singles and Number 1 albums she had . I found it rather distasteful, myself.
I think it is most definitly that as well but it was interesting to see celebrities going out of their way to show pity to Beyonce when Beyonce has 22 grammys. There is no reason to pity her when she has been awarded generously and recognized throughout her career. She is literally every where and always obsessively fond over in the media. So why would she need sympathy? There is a psychology behind the reason why people react the way they do to Beyonce. Why people treat her like she is a deity that is above reproach. Its super creepy. The communal reinforcement effect and group think with this obsessive pandering to Beyonce is super creepy and purposeful. It is gotten out of hand. I saw some posts from her fans that was actually calling her a "god" after her performance.
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I'm not surprised to hear that. You're always going to have a few nuts out there that literally make idols out of their Pop idols. This is nothing new. I think the difference is she seems to relish it more than the average artist.
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As far as celebrities goes, they are part of the larger problem you so often speak of. Entitlement. They're only reinforcing her sense of entitlement.
This is no different than Mj floating a 100 ft statue of himself down the river than making that nazi inspired video. All pop people have some narcistic self affiriming shit to them its literally part of the job of being a pop star. And If a few crazy wierdos go along with it (I believe most of these people are actually just joking playing along casually) than so be it.
Actually, the album that was probably the most highly praised, David Bowie's "Blackstar", was not even NOMINATED for Album of the Year. To me, THAT was the greatest Grammy oversight (and remember, Bowie had extremely few Grammy nominations for his entire brilliant career) . For me, that would have been the ideal choice, for both quality and sentimental reasons
I wouldnt say blackster got more praise than lemonade but yes I agree it definitely shouldve got a nomination over bieber definitely. Why was bieber nominated anyway? Anti was better than that trash.
Rolling Stone, the Village Voice Critics Poll, and Entertainment Weekly had "Lemonade" and "Blackstar" as the top 2 albums of the year
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bet he drives a truck, too 
And, damn, can he play that guitar! 
The fact that she wasn't nominated for AOTY and Bieber was, was a slap in the face.
