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Reply #210 posted 04/16/16 12:36pm

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At a navi concert. Help
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Reply #211 posted 04/16/16 6:11pm

Scorp

214 said:

Blanket is indeed his biological son.

and if anyone placed a bet on that,

a week later, they would be walking down the street holding up that sign made out of cardboard talking about "I'LL WORK FOR FOOD".....because they wouldn't have a dime to their name when it's all over

during that Bashir Documentary, when BAshir asked MJ who the mother was, at first MJ said he didn't know who the mother was, and when BAshir said that it was clear as day the mother wasn't black, 30 seconds later MJ said the baby's mother was black, when we all know that kid's mother is not black

none of those kids are his, and when it's officially confirmed they are not, I can only imaging what the response is going to be by King of Pop fans since they've been attacking people over the past 10 years who have been saying the obvious........

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Reply #212 posted 04/16/16 6:28pm

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To tell you the truth at this point it doesn't really matter who the REAL biological parents are. Blanket is still going to inherit part of that billion dollar fortune of Mj's either way. biggrin

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #213 posted 04/16/16 6:52pm

Scorp

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

To tell you the truth at this point it doesn't really matter who the REAL biological parents are. Blanket is still going to inherit part of that billion dollar fortune of Mj's either way. biggrin

it matters,

and that half a billion dollar fortune.....time will tell

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Reply #214 posted 04/17/16 6:31am

alphastreet

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Adorecream said:



214 said:




Adorecream said:


And to be more heretical, I really like the Invincible album, can't understand why it gets so much stick. Break of Dawn and Whatever happens are beautiful songs. Invincible and Unbreakable are great dance jams, Speechless and 2000 watts are cool and even the Lost children is on the right side of saccharine.



And Butterflies is great too.



It is awesome, he is so heartfelt in the lyrics and his delivery. It is a superb R&B cut and a credit to Michael Jackson's soul chops. I just love his soulful love songs. This should have been a monster hit back then.


Butterflies used to be the makeout song at our school back in the day
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That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them
[Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]
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Reply #215 posted 04/17/16 11:50am

QueenofPurpleP
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alphastreet said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:


Butterflies used to be the makeout song at our school back in the day
[Edited 4/16/16 11:25am]


That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them
[Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]

I heard it on some of the rnb and hio hop stations and boy did those girls love em. They played it during my Valentines Day dance that year and let's just say. ...Mike still got it
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Reply #216 posted 04/17/16 12:41pm

214

Adorecream said:

214 said:

And Butterflies is great too.

It is awesome, he is so heartfelt in the lyrics and his delivery. It is a superb R&B cut and a credit to Michael Jackson's soul chops. I just love his soulful love songs. This should have been a monster hit back then.

It should be. Such a shame.

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Reply #217 posted 04/17/16 12:43pm

214

Scorp said:

214 said:

Blanket is indeed his biological son.

and if anyone placed a bet on that,

a week later, they would be walking down the street holding up that sign made out of cardboard talking about "I'LL WORK FOR FOOD".....because they wouldn't have a dime to their name when it's all over

during that Bashir Documentary, when BAshir asked MJ who the mother was, at first MJ said he didn't know who the mother was, and when BAshir said that it was clear as day the mother wasn't black, 30 seconds later MJ said the baby's mother was black, when we all know that kid's mother is not black

none of those kids are his, and when it's officially confirmed they are not, I can only imaging what the response is going to be by King of Pop fans since they've been attacking people over the past 10 years who have been saying the obvious........

Unbelievable, can you see how alike is that boy to Mike?

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Reply #218 posted 04/17/16 1:17pm

Scorp

214 said:

Scorp said:

and if anyone placed a bet on that,

a week later, they would be walking down the street holding up that sign made out of cardboard talking about "I'LL WORK FOR FOOD".....because they wouldn't have a dime to their name when it's all over

during that Bashir Documentary, when BAshir asked MJ who the mother was, at first MJ said he didn't know who the mother was, and when BAshir said that it was clear as day the mother wasn't black, 30 seconds later MJ said the baby's mother was black, when we all know that kid's mother is not black

none of those kids are his, and when it's officially confirmed they are not, I can only imaging what the response is going to be by King of Pop fans since they've been attacking people over the past 10 years who have been saying the obvious........

Unbelievable, can you see how alike is that boy to Mike?

why because they had long hair

That is the real Michael Jackson before he ever had surgery.......

I'll let the facts point out the facts

[Edited 4/17/16 13:19pm]

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Reply #219 posted 04/17/16 1:37pm

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You know what used to kill me back in the day. Some alleged fans would rather have hours of arguments if those 3 children came from his balls ir what color they were but have short to no type of conversation over the 40 goddamn years of music.

Like it or not those kids always will call Michael daddy. Get. Over. It. Whoever is their real parents wasn't the one wiping their asses, catching colds, having the sex talk, helping them with homework etc etc. That was Mike. So...there's your answer.




To more relevant topics is there going to be a dangerous and history 25? I neeed
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Reply #220 posted 04/17/16 1:59pm

Scorp

QueenofPurplePalace said:

You know what used to kill me back in the day. Some alleged fans would rather have hours of arguments if those 3 children came from his balls ir what color they were but have short to no type of conversation over the 40 goddamn years of music. Like it or not those kids always will call Michael daddy. Get. Over. It. Whoever is their real parents wasn't the one wiping their asses, catching colds, having the sex talk, helping them with homework etc etc. That was Mike. So...there's your answer. To more relevant topics is there going to be a dangerous and history 25? I neeed

it's nothing abougt alledged.

the real issue is that the false image MJ projected took the focus away from the very thing the majority of current fans say the focus is no longer on...the music

take the false image out of the equation, and the focus would have been on just that, just like it was during the the 70s and early to mid 80s

the fact is those 3 kids have been, are being, and continue to be used as pawns by anyone and everyone who continues to uphold the false image, all 3 of them know this by now

and it was that Nanny who was doing the majority of the upbringing before she was pushed out of the picture

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Reply #221 posted 04/17/16 2:34pm

QueenofPurpleP
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Scorp said:



QueenofPurplePalace said:


You know what used to kill me back in the day. Some alleged fans would rather have hours of arguments if those 3 children came from his balls ir what color they were but have short to no type of conversation over the 40 goddamn years of music. Like it or not those kids always will call Michael daddy. Get. Over. It. Whoever is their real parents wasn't the one wiping their asses, catching colds, having the sex talk, helping them with homework etc etc. That was Mike. So...there's your answer. To more relevant topics is there going to be a dangerous and history 25? I neeed



it's nothing abougt alledged.



the real issue is that the false image MJ projected took the focus away from the very thing the majority of current fans say the focus is no longer on...the music



take the false image out of the equation, and the focus would have been on just that, just like it was during the the 70s and early to mid 80s



the fact is those 3 kids have been, are being, and continue to be used as pawns by anyone and everyone who continues to uphold the false image, all 3 of them know this by now



and it was that Nanny who was doing the majority of the upbringing before she was pushed out of the picture




Grace wasn't pushed per se she more left and I don't blame her. Point is those are his kids and as entertaining as they may be to me they are still growing and not producing anything for me to consume. But back in 2001 to like 2005 I remember his fans being mad about Sony yet they weren't buying the fuckin album. Like does that make any sense to you. Until one of those cute bastards get jobs that gives me the consumer something to consume. I don't give a good god damn who is they're mom or dad. But that's just me.


Also I hopw I'm not being too hostile it ain't towards you love
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Reply #222 posted 04/17/16 7:51pm

alphastreet

QueenofPurplePalace said:

alphastreet said:



That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them
[Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]

I heard it on some of the rnb and hio hop stations and boy did those girls love em. They played it during my Valentines Day dance that year and let's just say. ...Mike still got it



That's refreshing to hear. I mean yrmw was a jam musically, and I would hear online accounts of butterflies, break of dawn and heaven can wait on r&b radio but hearing accounts being tied to people's experiences, there's absolutely nothing like it cause it's a point In time not always recognized by charts but still important and meaningful
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Reply #223 posted 04/17/16 7:52pm

alphastreet

Scorp said:



214 said:




Scorp said:





and if anyone placed a bet on that,



a week later, they would be walking down the street holding up that sign made out of cardboard talking about "I'LL WORK FOR FOOD".....because they wouldn't have a dime to their name when it's all over



during that Bashir Documentary, when BAshir asked MJ who the mother was, at first MJ said he didn't know who the mother was, and when BAshir said that it was clear as day the mother wasn't black, 30 seconds later MJ said the baby's mother was black, when we all know that kid's mother is not black



none of those kids are his, and when it's officially confirmed they are not, I can only imaging what the response is going to be by King of Pop fans since they've been attacking people over the past 10 years who have been saying the obvious.....



Unbelievable, can you see how alike is that boy to Mike?





why because they had long hair







That is the real Michael Jackson before he ever had surgery.....



I'll let the facts point out the facts

[Edited 4/17/16 13:19pm]



Love, love, love!!!!
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Reply #224 posted 04/17/16 8:08pm

MichaelJackson
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In case anyone is interested, I discovered a gem of a book about MJ. It details his career along with how it paralleled with the decline in music, especially RnB music.

The writer seems to genuinely care about Michael Jackson and the way his career transpired along with the downfall of the industry at large:

https://payhip.com/b/ylMX

Here's the prologue to it:

This book is written not to denigrate, but to bring forth a degree of understanding.

The world needs to read the truth about what a system of thought did in turning a human being who reached his potential into a person who was denied the opportunity to fulfill his promise and what could have been.

It’s important to note what really happened to the state of music as a whole and the factors contributing to the demise of its leading presence; factors that can be traced back some fifty years as the Pop music sphere was beginning to take precedence; giving birth to a season of peril that has ruled the recording industry for the past quarter century.

In presenting the cause of what happened while identifying its root, the author hopes this story can serve as a contributor in rebuilding our culture and our music.

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Reply #225 posted 04/18/16 10:16pm

Adorecream

alphastreet said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:
Butterflies used to be the makeout song at our school back in the day [Edited 4/16/16 11:25am]
That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them [Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]

I remember driving home from work one night in late 2001 and Butterflies came on and I just thought "Wow, Michael still has it, this Invincible album is going to be big" and lo and behold it did okay, but everyone derided it at the time and I could not understand why.

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Now it wa slater when I found out his beef with Sony in 2002.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
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Reply #226 posted 04/19/16 6:56am

alphastreet

Adorecream said:

alphastreet said:

QueenofPurplePalace said: That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them [Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]

I remember driving home from work one night in late 2001 and Butterflies came on and I just thought "Wow, Michael still has it, this Invincible album is going to be big" and lo and behold it did okay, but everyone derided it at the time and I could not understand why.

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Now it wa slater when I found out his beef with Sony in 2002.

Yeah it was criminally underrated for the most part. It was in the top 10 best sellers of 2001 worldwide though released end of the year, managed to beat All For You worldwide though not in the US and Canada, and yet no one noticed or cared. I remember YRMW being played in cars driving by when it came out, more than once, and I also remember on more than one occasion if I told anyone I was listening to the new mj album on my headphone, they were surprised it was already out. The promo was poor.

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Reply #227 posted 04/19/16 8:02am

QueenofPurpleP
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Adorecream said:



alphastreet said:


QueenofPurplePalace said:
Butterflies used to be the makeout song at our school back in the day [Edited 4/16/16 11:25am]

That's awesome lol it never got played here other than appearing as part of r&b/hip hop mashups on the radio. I think the popular songs on r&b radio then was anything with Ashanti, j lo, ja rule so nice to hear it wasn't limited to just them [Edited 4/17/16 6:32am]

I remember driving home from work one night in late 2001 and Butterflies came on and I just thought "Wow, Michael still has it, this Invincible album is going to be big" and lo and behold it did okay, but everyone derided it at the time and I could not understand why.


.


Now it wa slater when I found out his beef with Sony in 2002.


Since I was young during 2002 I remember my mama laughing saying Mike is getting black on Sony. Yall negros must've forgot. She was never a mj fan (prince and Rick James household) but he earned her respect
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Reply #228 posted 04/19/16 11:34am

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Will Pop Music Ever Produce Another Michael Jackson?

Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson. (Photo: Courtesy Michael Jackson.)

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It’s tough to even read the words Aaron Carter typed with a straight face. (If that name means nothing, Carter is the younger brother of Backstreet Boy and erstwhile reality TV star Nick Carter.)

“Remember one very important thing,” Carter tweeted on November 22, in a series of messages the New York Daily News and other outlets are reporting as being since deleted, “Michael passed the torch to me. I never had to ask for him to do that. He compared himself to me.”

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The “Michael” in question is, of course, the late Michael Jackson—the mere mention of his name, six years after his tragic, sudden death, is enough to stir up a hornet’s nest of emotions.

While few took Carter’s claims seriously—even if Jackson did “pass the torch,” Carter has done a thoroughly miserable job tending to it—there lurks another, more troubling question in the background: Will pop music ever produce another superstar on Jackson’s level?

More broadly: Will the industry ever again have a North Star to guide it?

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It’s not just Aaron Carter’s delusional Twitter tirades sparking thoughts of how sorely missed Jackson’s talent is in modern pop music, but also Rolling Stonecontributor Steve Knopper’s fascinating new biography, The Genius of Michael Jackson.

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Will pop music ever again have a North Star to guide it?

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Knopper spent three years scrupulously reporting on Jackson’s life and work, interviewed more than 450 sources (the book is meticulously indexed and footnoted) and deftly separates fact from myth—Knopper untangles the origins of seminal moments when he can, wryly noting where the legend has overtaken any hope of objective recounting when he cannot.

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What comes to the fore repeatedly throughout Knopper’s 438-page tome is how singular Jackson’s talent truly was.

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He’s described as a ceaselessly restless child, one who needed to have someone almost literally hold his head in place to ensure clean vocals, but who would, on a stage before a roaring audience, channel that boundless energy into some of the most dazzling choreography the world had ever seen.

Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson. (Photo: Courtesy Michael Jackson.)

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That biological singularity—that even though many of Jackson’s siblings were musically gifted, he stood alone; a supernova distinguishing itself from its surrounding galaxy—is a large part of why Jackson had the impact that he did and continues to have.

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But the other key ingredient was a willingness to do something new. Knopper writes about how, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Jackson was feeling profoundly confined by the requirements and expectations of continuing to perform with his brothers, when he truly wanted to be doing was digging into the 600-700 songs producer Quincy Jones had amassed to assemble Thriller.

“O.K., guys,” Jones is quoted as saying in Knopper’s recounting, “we’re here to get the kids out of the video arcades and back into the record stores.”

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Too much of modern pop music fixates on brand maintenance and not enough upon making anything worth listening to.

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It’s an ambitious mission statement, and, sadly, one that, with a few 21st-century updates, could probably be repeated in control rooms the world over today.

Yet, cowed by the advance of digital technology and a fragmented audience, the music business can only muster hopefuls—these days, far more Aaron Carters than Michael Jacksons are flooding iTunes with music.

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And while there are isolated instances of an artist cutting broadly across all demographics, captivating fans in staggering numbers—Adele most recently, with Taylor Swift and Beyonce also capable of turning a great many heads at once—pop music circa 2016 is a never-ending cycle of temporary dominance.

Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson. (Photo: Courtesy Michael Jackson.)

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An artist breaks through for a moment—remember when Meghan Trainor was inescapable?—and then either flames out (Justin Bieber) or fades away (believe it or not, KT Tunstall once enjoyed heavy rotation on American radio).

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The sort of long-running, sustainable career Jackson enjoyed, one marked by as much critical acclaim as commercial success, now seems as outdated as a Discman.

Certainly, Michael Jackson had an advantage his admirers and aspirants do not—a firm grip on the monoculture, which dovetailed nicely with the ascent of MTV—but Jackson also, quite simply, wanted it more.

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Too much of modern pop music fixates on brand maintenance—Katy Perry’s fragrance line or Lady Gaga’s turn on American Horror Story or Nick Jonas’ recurring role on Scream Queens—and not enough upon making anything worth listening to.

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Michael Jackson’s albums dominated the world and had the added benefit of being full of spectacular musicianship serving songs seemingly carved out of diamonds:Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous—these albums hold up now, decades after their release, not just because Jackson and his collaborators could “see around the corner,” but because they didn’t stop working the songs until they got it just right.

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In the 1980s, there was the luxury of indulgent major labels—something that, in some cases, can still be found today—but also, the luxury of just having the time.

In the 2010s, artists are constantly under the gun.

Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson. (Photo: Courtesy Michael Jackson.)

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There’s scant room for refinement because the 24-hour, non-stop cycle is constantly hungering for something new. (No sooner had Adele released 25 after a four-year absence then music writers pivoted to wondering alou...” single).

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The unforgiving nature of the business is such that, even if an artist came along possessing even a fraction of Jackson’s talent, it might be smothered before it had a chance to flourish.

Which returns us to the, shall we say, mildly delusional assertions of Aaron Carter. For a moment, let’s give the singer—whose last album, Another Earthquake, was released over a decade ago—the benefit of the doubt.

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If Jackson “passed the torch” to him, perhaps his role isn’t as a performer, but a proselytizer. Maybe Aaron Carter is meant to help drive attention to pop music’s plight—it’s stale and atomized into a half-billion different audiences.

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But, if not, then there is one thing upon which we can all safely agree: Aaron Carter, whatever happened, you, sir, are not and will never be the next Michael Jackson.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #229 posted 04/19/16 2:16pm

thedoorkeeper

That's a slap in the face to Corey Feldman - he so wanted to be the next MJ! lol
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Reply #230 posted 04/19/16 3:48pm

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Bruno Mars? Maybe. He's show shades of Michael Jackson, Prrince, Morris Day, Rick James, James Brown, & Hammer.

Aaron Carter, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, or The Weeknd? Hell no! These clones are not good enough.

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Reply #231 posted 04/19/16 6:53pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

TonyVanDam said:

Bruno Mars? Maybe. He's show shades of Michael Jackson, Morris Day, Rick James, James Brown, & Hammer.

Aaron Carter, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, or The Weeknd? Hell no! These clones are not good enough.

Bruno is VERY gifted. But he is NO prince! NO ONE is!!!

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #232 posted 04/19/16 8:05pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

TonyVanDam said:

Bruno Mars? Maybe. He's show shades of Michael Jackson, Morris Day, Rick James, James Brown, & Hammer.

Aaron Carter, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake, or The Weeknd? Hell no! These clones are not good enough.


Bruno is VERY gifted. But he is NO prince!1 NO ONE is!!!


That's why I said "shades". wink

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Reply #233 posted 04/20/16 9:21am

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Watched the OTW documentary for the first time the other day. About half of the interviewees were well-chosen (Berry, Marlon, Jackie, Bruce etc) and it was great to see some Destiny/Triumph Tour footage, but it was otherwise pretty terrible.The OTW section is basically just celebrities gushing over the album and giving personal anecdotes, save for some honourable exceptions (eg. Stevie on I Can't Help It). Otherwise, I learned almost nothing about the production of the actual album. And Joe Vogel's sustained prominence in Estate-sanctioned MJ documentaries continues to baffle me, given that he (again) just said the obvious things that a narrator should have been there to say (yep, there's no narrator on this thing for some reason).

I finally watched it last night. While some of the footage was great to see (mainly the Destiny & Triumph tours), there was so little about the production of the album. It really bounced from one song's greatness to another, with very little input from the other people who wrote it. There was some Stevie Wonder footage, plus some stuff from Sayer & Foster. But where was Rod Temperton? That's one of the funkiest white British men around.



The interviews could have been cut by half, and someone should have gotten into the studio, and started breaking down some of those tracks, like VH1's Classic Albums does. In fact, VH1 should have done their own story on the album itself. The road to Off The Wall doesn't really celebrate the album with which the documentary is included. We've seen the MJ story over and over. We know it by heart. Spike Lee really just made a home movie about it, not a revealing and insightful look at an album that forever changed the trajectory of a star.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #234 posted 04/22/16 10:15pm

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Scorp said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

To tell you the truth at this point it doesn't really matter who the REAL biological parents are. Blanket is still going to inherit part of that billion dollar fortune of Mj's either way. biggrin

it matters,

and that half a billion dollar fortune.....time will tell

it absolutely DOES NOT matter. first of all, it does not matter if mj3 are mj's biological kids or not. he's the father listed on each of their birth certificates, therefore there is no court in the world that's going to turn over mj's money to his "black family" just because you seem to think it should work that way. what about madonna's african children? are they not deserving of any inheritance because they're not blood related to her? your argument is ridiculous, scorp. secondly, children and other family are left out wills everyday. mj could have given most of his estate to charity, and that would have been his right. time has already told the story for seven years now. i rarely agree with kcool about anything, but s/he is right. the will has been read, it's beyond being contested, and blanket and sibs are going to inherit that money, no one else.

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Reply #235 posted 04/23/16 4:57am

Scorp

kibbles said:

Scorp said:

it matters,

and that half a billion dollar fortune.....time will tell

it absolutely DOES NOT matter. first of all, it does not matter if mj3 are mj's biological kids or not. he's the father listed on each of their birth certificates, therefore there is no court in the world that's going to turn over mj's money to his "black family" just because you seem to think it should work that way. what about madonna's african children? are they not deserving of any inheritance because they're not blood related to her? your argument is ridiculous, scorp. secondly, children and other family are left out wills everyday. mj could have given most of his estate to charity, and that would have been his right. time has already told the story for seven years now. i rarely agree with kcool about anything, but s/he is right. the will has been read, it's beyond being contested, and blanket and sibs are going to inherit that money, no one else.

1.) it does matter, because it mattered to Michael Jackson, he's the person who said he was their biological father, he's the person who said they are his biological kids. Nobody forced him to say that or pose them 3 kids as his

2.) Madonna has never, ever said she was the biological mother of the kids she adopted, she said she ADOPTED them, that alone eliminates all the innuendo...she never said the kid she adopted was her biological child......

3.) most of the king of pop fans today WANT to force something that ain't even close to being true to be true, because deep down, they know it aint true, and why do they want to force it?, because they want to uphold the false image and the false narrative, which has contributed to the most tragic situation in the history of entertainment. there wouldn't be this much fuss and pushback by fans if MJ would have hade his own biological children

4.) and as far as that will goes, the validity of that will is shaky at best

5.) all this talk about inheritance, the entity that's REALLY going to inherit is that IRS who's come knocking at the door asking for 3/4 of a billion dollars which may wipe out everything, that ATV catalog is gone....

6.) get the popcorn ready and brace yourself because what you think is the case is not going to be in the end.......this story is not going to end the way you think

That OTW documentary 2 months ago was the last hurrah.....this show is over.....

And one day, the fans will be in position where they will finally have ti take heed to the true story

[Edited 4/23/16 5:28am]

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Reply #236 posted 04/23/16 11:31am

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How is it going to end?

Michael is dead, is that not the end?

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Reply #237 posted 04/23/16 5:39pm

kibbles

Scorp said:

kibbles said:

it absolutely DOES NOT matter. first of all, it does not matter if mj3 are mj's biological kids or not. he's the father listed on each of their birth certificates, therefore there is no court in the world that's going to turn over mj's money to his "black family" just because you seem to think it should work that way. what about madonna's african children? are they not deserving of any inheritance because they're not blood related to her? your argument is ridiculous, scorp. secondly, children and other family are left out wills everyday. mj could have given most of his estate to charity, and that would have been his right. time has already told the story for seven years now. i rarely agree with kcool about anything, but s/he is right. the will has been read, it's beyond being contested, and blanket and sibs are going to inherit that money, no one else.

1.) it does matter, because it mattered to Michael Jackson, he's the person who said he was their biological father, he's the person who said they are his biological kids. Nobody forced him to say that or pose them 3 kids as his

2.) Madonna has never, ever said she was the biological mother of the kids she adopted, she said she ADOPTED them, that alone eliminates all the innuendo...she never said the kid she adopted was her biological child......

3.) most of the king of pop fans today WANT to force something that ain't even close to being true to be true, because deep down, they know it aint true, and why do they want to force it?, because they want to uphold the false image and the false narrative, which has contributed to the most tragic situation in the history of entertainment. there wouldn't be this much fuss and pushback by fans if MJ would have hade his own biological children

4.) and as far as that will goes, the validity of that will is shaky at best

5.) all this talk about inheritance, the entity that's REALLY going to inherit is that IRS who's come knocking at the door asking for 3/4 of a billion dollars which may wipe out everything, that ATV catalog is gone....

6.) get the popcorn ready and brace yourself because what you think is the case is not going to be in the end.......this story is not going to end the way you think

That OTW documentary 2 months ago was the last hurrah.....this show is over.....

And one day, the fans will be in position where they will finally have ti take heed to the true story

[Edited 4/23/16 5:28am]

regardless of what mj said or didn't say, the kids are his under the law. regardless of what mj said or didn't say, he acted as their father and left them his estate, like a father would do. whether he was truthful about them being his bio kids is irrelevant. the only truth that matters is did he behave and act as their father in every other metric? the answer is clearly yes, so case closed.

no madonna has never said that david and mercy are her bio children. but the point i was making is that it doesn't matter; they're her children. it is exactly the same. whether mj is or isn't mj3's bio father, it absolutely doesn't matter. he was their father, period.

i'm personally not trying to force anything, whatever any other fans may say. i don't care whether they're his bio kids or not. the fact that they credit him with being their father and raising them, not grace, is enough for me. when asked by bashir, prince allegedly told him he didn't have a mother. clearly, grace wasn't a mother to him; she was his nanny and he knew that. i recall what paris had to say about her in that depo tape that was played in the lawsuit; certainly didn't sound as though she had any love in her heart for grace. of all the stories she must of had about grace, why chose a story that makes her so called mother figure look kinda dodgy? a few years back, paris didn't go looking to grace for comfort, the woman with whom she had spent her formative years. she went looking for the bio mother she barely knew. and when that relationship went bust, did she go looking up grace? no, she didn't. there is also a story floating about the 'net that prince has pretty much admitted that mj isn't his bio father. so what scam did mj perpetrate on him? diana ross used to peddle the false narrative that her daughter rhonda was a silberstein, when in fact she was a gordy. the collective response was "BFD". and so it will be with mj3. most people don't care, and have already made up their minds one way or another. if you think mj fans are going to stop supporting him because of this, you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years or so.

mj's will was accepted into probate 7 years ago. katherine and co. knew when to stop with their nonsense, when are you going to stop with yours?

i highly doubt the irs is going to walk away with mj's estate. you're merely hoping they will to justify your animus towards mj.

to pick up where offthewall just left off, exactly what end are you expecting? are you expecting that mj will stop making money from his own catalog? you think spike's little heard of doc is going to stop people from remembering 'off the wall', stop buying it, whatever? nope, sorry. what about the other catalogs that mj owned that were not part of atv? i heard 'everyday people' being used for an ad the other day; you realize the mj estate owns sly's catalog separate and apart from atv, right? that ad could be being used all over the world. KA-CHING!

yes, the true story. that marlon was the scary, awesome talented member of the j5, but was sabotaged by the sinister mj. yeah, you've told that one before. seats? have several. lol

[Edited 4/23/16 17:42pm]

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Reply #238 posted 04/23/16 9:47pm

Scorp

kibbles said:

Scorp said:

1.) it does matter, because it mattered to Michael Jackson, he's the person who said he was their biological father, he's the person who said they are his biological kids. Nobody forced him to say that or pose them 3 kids as his

2.) Madonna has never, ever said she was the biological mother of the kids she adopted, she said she ADOPTED them, that alone eliminates all the innuendo...she never said the kid she adopted was her biological child......

3.) most of the king of pop fans today WANT to force something that ain't even close to being true to be true, because deep down, they know it aint true, and why do they want to force it?, because they want to uphold the false image and the false narrative, which has contributed to the most tragic situation in the history of entertainment. there wouldn't be this much fuss and pushback by fans if MJ would have hade his own biological children

4.) and as far as that will goes, the validity of that will is shaky at best

5.) all this talk about inheritance, the entity that's REALLY going to inherit is that IRS who's come knocking at the door asking for 3/4 of a billion dollars which may wipe out everything, that ATV catalog is gone....

6.) get the popcorn ready and brace yourself because what you think is the case is not going to be in the end.......this story is not going to end the way you think

That OTW documentary 2 months ago was the last hurrah.....this show is over.....

And one day, the fans will be in position where they will finally have ti take heed to the true story

[Edited 4/23/16 5:28am]

regardless of what mj said or didn't say, the kids are his under the law. regardless of what mj said or didn't say, he acted as their father and left them his estate, like a father would do. whether he was truthful about them being his bio kids is irrelevant. the only truth that matters is did he behave and act as their father in every other metric? the answer is clearly yes, so case closed.

no madonna has never said that david and mercy are her bio children. but the point i was making is that it doesn't matter; they're her children. it is exactly the same. whether mj is or isn't mj3's bio father, it absolutely doesn't matter. he was their father, period.

i'm personally not trying to force anything, whatever any other fans may say. i don't care whether they're his bio kids or not. the fact that they credit him with being their father and raising them, not grace, is enough for me. when asked by bashir, prince allegedly told him he didn't have a mother. clearly, grace wasn't a mother to him; she was his nanny and he knew that. i recall what paris had to say about her in that depo tape that was played in the lawsuit; certainly didn't sound as though she had any love in her heart for grace. of all the stories she must of had about grace, why chose a story that makes her so called mother figure look kinda dodgy? a few years back, paris didn't go looking to grace for comfort, the woman with whom she had spent her formative years. she went looking for the bio mother she barely knew. and when that relationship went bust, did she go looking up grace? no, she didn't. there is also a story floating about the 'net that prince has pretty much admitted that mj isn't his bio father. so what scam did mj perpetrate on him? diana ross used to peddle the false narrative that her daughter rhonda was a silberstein, when in fact she was a gordy. the collective response was "BFD". and so it will be with mj3. most people don't care, and have already made up their minds one way or another. if you think mj fans are going to stop supporting him because of this, you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years or so.

mj's will was accepted into probate 7 years ago. katherine and co. knew when to stop with their nonsense, when are you going to stop with yours?

i highly doubt the irs is going to walk away with mj's estate. you're merely hoping they will to justify your animus towards mj.

to pick up where offthewall just left off, exactly what end are you expecting? are you expecting that mj will stop making money from his own catalog? you think spike's little heard of doc is going to stop people from remembering 'off the wall', stop buying it, whatever? nope, sorry. what about the other catalogs that mj owned that were not part of atv? i heard 'everyday people' being used for an ad the other day; you realize the mj estate owns sly's catalog separate and apart from atv, right? that ad could be being used all over the world. KA-CHING!

yes, the true story. that marlon was the scary, awesome talented member of the j5, but was sabotaged by the sinister mj. yeah, you've told that one before. seats? have several. lol

[Edited 4/23/16 17:42pm]

I've definitely been tuned in for the last 30 years, specifically since 1987.....and that's why nothing that has transpired since that time has surprised me one bit, it's been like a series of domino effects

and the fact is MJ's very first audience of fans started 2 decades before, THEY are the fans who made it all possible, who came before myself or anyone else of the past 30 years, they are the ones who should be recognized but never do, technically, they've been the fans for the past 45 years

as far as the animus goes....my animus is not directed towards MJ, it's directed towards a system that led him to take the path he took after reaching the pinnacle, a system that push him to the brink by leading him to believe by changing himself was gonna lead to greater success and it never did, not on any level.....that's the animus

and when I referred to the OTW documentary, rather it "little heard" or not, that's all she wrote, there is nothing else coming down the pike, it's all been tapped out, the well has run dry

1+1 will always equal 2......that's a universal constant that's always gonna be true

1+1 will never equal 3, it's impossible and will never be

them 3 kids are not his at all

and if he had had his own, there would not be this much attention directed towards them the way it is, or I should say, the reason why the attention is generated to begin with

[Edited 4/23/16 21:55pm]

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Reply #239 posted 04/23/16 10:49pm

kibbles

like so many on this board, i remember mj long before thriller. do i wish he had seen his own value, his own beauty? do i wish he had more self-confidence and self-worth? yes. maybe he didn't want to see himself reflected in his kids, since he didn't think very much of himself. you think that's because of his 'thriller' fame? it wasn't. mj often spoke of his sad life, before and after thriller. his stardom always came at a high price. it didn't just start with thriller. he wasn't encouraged to change himself because he would be more liked, crossover to appeal to whites, more, yada, yada. the jacksons were 'crossover' out of the gate; that's what motown was all about. what troubled mj was something deeper, and it had to do with the family that you seem to hold in such high esteem. mj was a 10 year old boy put to work to feed that family. that's what he was trying to escape from psychologically by changing himself. he didn't want to be who he was not because he was black, but because he was mj.

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