Some people just can't stand the fact that the Beatles are loved and admired all over the world for the last 50+ years. They will continue to be beloved for many more years to come, perhaps even centuries. Some people will find any reason to discredit them. It is what it is. The Beatles have nothing to prove and their music will live on!

NorthC said:

Graycap23 said:

It really isn't about my mind being made up........I actually listened to the MUSIC.

It's simpleton music, simpleton lyrics, it doesn't move me in any way.

It really is about the music isn't it?

If that's the way you feel, fine. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not a big fan myself. But i do know that artists that I am a fan of, like Sly Stone, Dylan, Clinton, Hendrix and The Rolling Stones, were inluenced by them. And all of them influenced Prince. (Dylan maybe not so much, but he influenced Sly & Hendrix.) Does that mean you have to like the Fab Four? No. Does that mean they had an impact on music? Yes.

I hear you. My position is that the impact they had is way overstated.

Empress said:

Some people just can't stand the fact that the Beatles are loved and admired all over the world for the last 50+ years.

This makes no sense.

There are quite a few artist where you can CLEARLY see/hear their impact.

James Brown

Pfunk

Hendrix

Prince......etc.

There are some like the Beatles..........wher I simply don't HEAR it.

There are ton's of cover songs, but that is due t the fact that they make simple music that anyone can do. You don't see cover songs of complicated music.

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Graycap23 said:

It really isn't about my mind being made up........I actually listened to the MUSIC.

It's simpleton music, simpleton lyrics, it doesn't move me in any way.

It really is about the music isn't it?

You said you don't like country though and it's one of the most popular genres in the US. Elvis was part country music and his later records charted on the country charts once his pop airplay slowed down. Some country singers are popular in Jamaica. Hee Haw was on TV for 28 years and it's still being rerun. Just because you don't like something does not mean it hasn't has influence.

Graycap23 said:

You don't see cover songs of complicated music.

Classical and opera is mainly covers of songs that were written hundreds of years ago.

MickyDolenz said:

NorthC said:

MickyDolenz said:

Classical and opera is mainly covers of songs that were written hundreds of years ago.

You tell 'em, Micky! And since Gray is a P-Funk fan, he must know that Ruth Copeland covered Un Bel Di from Madame Butterfly on her first LP.

Lol.........this conversation is about modern music.

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

It really isn't about my mind being made up........I actually listened to the MUSIC.

It's simpleton music, simpleton lyrics, it doesn't move me in any way.

It really is about the music isn't it?

You said you don't like country though and it's one of the most popular genres in the US. Elvis was part country music and his later records charted on the country charts once his pop airplay slowed down. Some country singers are popular in Jamaica. Hee Haw was on TV for 28 years and it's still being rerun. Just because you don't like something does not mean it hasn't has influence.

It be foolish for anyone to think this way. That is just common sense.

Graycap23 said:

Lol.........this conversation is about modern music.

There's still new classical songs being written and classical has influenced modern music. Whenever you hear a string section on a song, that's an influence from classical. Minnie Riperton had opera training. There's even an orchestra section on some Keyshia Cole songs, and she's pretty much a modern act.

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

It really isn't about my mind being made up........I actually listened to the MUSIC.

It's simpleton music, simpleton lyrics, it doesn't move me in any way.

It really is about the music isn't it?

You said you don't like country though and it's one of the most popular genres in the US. Elvis was part country music and his later records charted on the country charts once his pop airplay slowed down. Some country singers are popular in Jamaica. Hee Haw was on TV for 28 years and it's still being rerun. Just because you don't like something does not mean it hasn't has influence.

Now this looks like an interesting read.

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol.........this conversation is about modern music.

There's still new classical songs being written and classical has influenced modern music. Whenever you hear a string section on a song, that's an influence from classical. Minnie Riperton had opera training. There's even an orchestra section on some Keyshia Cole songs, and she's pretty much a modern act.

Graycap23 said:

MickyDolenz said:

There's still new classical songs being written and classical has influenced modern music. Whenever you hear a string section on a song, that's an influence from classical. Minnie Riperton had opera training. There's even an orchestra section on some Keyshia Cole songs, and she's pretty much a modern act.

Also if you listen to Jackie Wilson on certain songs, you can tell that he listened to opera records.

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

Also if you listen to Jackie Wilson on certain songs, you can tell that he listened to opera records.

Did I miss something? Ins't this discussion about the Beatles?

Graycap, you never listened to Oasis?

Graycap23 said:

Did I miss something? Ins't this discussion about the Beatles?

Bob Marley, Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Michael Jackson, Bob Dylan & others have brought up in this thread. Threads go off topic all the time here, what's new about that? Anyway you said The Beatles songs were remade because they are simple and I mentioned classical is not simple. If being simple and popular is the reason, why don't New Kids On The Block or KISS songs get remade a lot like The Beatles? The Beatles songs have been remade from acts in many genres

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MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

Did I miss something? Ins't this discussion about the Beatles?

Bob Marley, Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Michael Jackson, Bob Dylan & others have brought up in this thread. Threads go off topic all the time here, what's new about that? Anyway you said The Beatles songs were remade because they are simple and I mentioned classical is not simple. If being simple and popular is the reason, why don't New Kids On The Block or KISS songs get remade a lot like The Beatles?

People in modern music cover simple songs that were sucessuful. What I find really interesting about the Beatles is that most of the covers that I enjoy of their material is BETTER than the Beatles versions.

Graycap23 said:

Graycap23 said:

People in modern music cover simple songs that were sucessuful. What I find really interesting about the Beatles is that most of the covers that I enjoy of their material is BETTER than the Beatles versions.

New Kids & KISS were successful and had popular songs. KISS has a casket you can buy to be buried in. An act has to be popular for someone to buy that. They do not get covered to nowhere near the extent of the Beatles. Yesterday has been remade over 2,000 times. Rock N Roll All Nite and Hangin' Tough hasn't.

Graycap23 said:

It's simpleton music

What an insult. And clearly off the mark regarding the Beatles' later albums. When I listen to side one of Prince's Parade, I hear definite similarities to side two of Abbey Road.

It's impossble to put ourselves back in 1963 and live in a world where the Beatles don't exist yet. A lot of their impact was on things so basic and obvious, we take them for granted now. So I understand why it's hard for someone to see it.

But just to pinpoint one event - their appearance on Ed Sullivan in 1964 - there are many, many testimonies from people who went on to start their own important bands soon after, that seeing that on TV for the first time changed their lives. It's one of the first modern pop groups with no obvious leader, but four interesting characters. And while they sound great, they also look like they're doing something YOU might be able to learn to do. A million garage bands get formed in the week after that show, and some of those go on to become big.

Also, go back and read ANY interview with a prominent pop musician in 1964-66 and see if they talk about the Beatles.

Dolenz is a hack. He doesn't even like Prince.

I love him, remember that. Kisses Dolenz.

Do you know how many bands were influenced by the Beatles? Almost every major pop group.

Black Sabbath influenced many too, as did Led Zeppelin, as does James Brown. The Beatles did more. They also got the best reviews from critics than any other artist except for Bob Dylan who is their boy.

Almost all their albums get 5 star reviews. They have at least a hundred flawless songs.

sexton said:

Graycap23 said:

It's simpleton music

What an insult. And clearly off the mark regarding the Beatles' later albums. When I listen to side one of Prince's Parade, I hear definite similarities to side two of Abbey Road.

My son thought they were just a '60s boy band until I turned him on to some of their deeper cuts...

2freaky4church1 said:

He doesn't even like Prince.

Seeing as I own a Three Chains O Gold videotape, I don't know what gave you that idea. I've never really mentioned anybody I don't like other than D'Angelo, R.Kelly, and Keith Sweat. I think it's a waste of time to sit around talking about acts you don't dig, like folks do here with Madonna, Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake, & Beyoncé. I haven't heard any of Prince's recent albums, but I occasionally listen to the earlier songs.

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teezee said:

214 said:

Michael overrated, no man i think you just like better Marley than Jackson, but of course Bob is great and his lyrics are better than Michael's ones but no more popular in latin america.

Yes, I think his music is more popular than Michael on a global scale

MJ is the bigger name of course, but we hardly hear any of his songs out loud on the radio. People don't really care for his music cuz it's very "80s" if you know what I'm talking about We just know him for his dance moves and for the Thriller video.

Bob Marley's hits are much more well-known. It's a fact.

No, it's not.

Empress said:

Graycap23 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Bob Marley, Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Michael Jackson, Bob Dylan & others have brought up in this thread. Threads go off topic all the time here, what's new about that? Anyway you said The Beatles songs were remade because they are simple and I mentioned classical is not simple. If being simple and popular is the reason, why don't New Kids On The Block or KISS songs get remade a lot like The Beatles?

People in modern music cover simple songs that were sucessuful. What I find really interesting about the Beatles is that most of the covers that I enjoy of their material is BETTER than the Beatles versions.

Rubbish. If we were talking about some manufactured popster, your argument might hold weight. Artists cover SONGS THEY LOVE.

Sinatra on "Something" - ""the greatest love song of the past 50 years"

how many times have u heard someone saying..when i heard /sae the beatles it made me wanna pick up a guitar...

just a suggestion.